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1. 04:01 AM - Re: Re: Sun N Fun (Bill Henderson)
2. 04:30 AM - Re: Mod 61 - Stall warner questionMod 61 - Stall warner question (Trevpond@aol.com)
3. 07:17 AM - Re: Rotax regulator (Fred Fillinger)
4. 07:59 AM - Sun n Fun (Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden)
5. 08:27 AM - Mounting 914 wastegate servo (Fergus Kyle)
6. 09:33 AM - SUN-N-FUN (van eldik)
7. 12:00 PM - Europa Parts. (DAVID HUNTER)
8. 12:04 PM - Re: Re: Sun N Fun (Bryan Allsop)
9. 12:46 PM - Re: Europa Parts. (Bill Henderson)
10. 12:52 PM - Re: Europa Parts. (Duncan McFadyean)
11. 05:30 PM - Re: Sun n Fun (kbcarpenter@comcast.net)
12. 05:55 PM - Re: Re: Sun N Fun (Dean Seitz)
13. 05:55 PM - Re: Re: Sun N Fun (Garry)
14. 06:11 PM - Re: Mounting 914 wastegate servo (SPurpura@aol.com)
15. 07:05 PM - Re: Mounting 914 waste gate servo (Paul McAllister)
16. 08:24 PM - Sun n Fun (Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden)
17. 08:27 PM - Re: Re: Sun N Fun (Rman)
18. 11:51 PM - Official Europa-List Usage Guidelines (dralle@matronics.com)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill Henderson" <europabill@bellsouth.net>
I'm going to Sun-n-Fun and woudl very much like to get together with my
fellow Europa builders. I'll be there Tuesday through Friday. If nothing
else, maybe we can all meet at the Europa booth at a designated time. Any
chance Andy might be able to arrange something "official"? Maybe we could
be nice and take Andy and John out to dinner.......
Please add me to the list.
Bill
A010 Classic Monowheel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Sun N Fun
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt"
> <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
>
> Jim
> I can build a Europa but the workings of the internet leave me a little
> cold.
> I will be visiting Sun'n'Fun with a couple of British colleagues,
> including
> Andy and John from 'the factory'. Other known visitors will be Peter
> Grant,
> the Europa Club editor, and at last e-mail I think Alan Burrows was also
> intending to be in Florida. I await further names.
> As we are only just getting our act together I do not know if any
> official/unofficial gatherings are to take place but if this forum can
> receive any visitor intentions I can try to keep a list for the week.
> Last year we had some very successful impromptu meals but my wife is
> concerned that I will get led astray again!!
> Regards
> Steve Pitt #403 G-SMDH
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: 31 January 2006 13:39
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Sun N Fun
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>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
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>> Acouple of years ago I set up a Europa forum at SNF. About 20 people
>> came
>> and it got a lot of good conversation going. I won't be there this year
>> (trying to get the hours flown off) so if one of you that is going would
> set
>> up a forum it makes a good way for everyone interested in Europa to meet
> at
>> a defined time and place. All you have to do is go to the SNF website
>> and
>> request a forum.
>>
>> I'll set up a forum at OSH.
>>
>> Jim Butcher
>> N241BW
>> Waiting for weather to clear to continue test flights
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question
--> Europa-List message posted by: Trevpond@aol.com
Come on Nev, you've got Martin, or Sooty next door!
Trev Pond
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Subject: | Re: Rotax regulator |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
Richard Holder wrote:
>
> I checked the C terminal. Disconnecting it does
> eventually kill the charging but not very quickly, so
> disconnecting the C connection via a crowbar won't work.
The delay is because a capcitor has to first discharge internally;
grounding won't do that..
> So I suspect your "earthing" of the C
> terminal was really just disconnecting it.
Thus correct, because of that blcking diode. What grounding will do is
prevent spurious noise from triggering the sense circuit, which is a
hair-trigger "Darlington amplifier," though a rather low input
impedance for that sort of problem.
> I actually looked at the circuit board of my original
> (now re-installed) regulator and saw three possible
> sites for dry-joints.
Anything's possible. It looks hand-soldered, but by someone "on a
mission." And apparently still did a poor job where it really mattered!
Reg,
Fred F.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden" <N914VA@starband.net>
I too will be at Sun n Fun and would like to meet with other builders. I am planning
to be there most of the event, so any day and time would probably work for
me.
Vaughn Teegarden
N914VA, Wires in hand, Ready to close wings
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Subject: | Mounting 914 wastegate servo |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Cheers,
Europa 914 installation Manual, page 1-4, second para, tells one to
mount the subject item on the 'tunnel top' with MS21047-4 anchor nuts On top
(Manual accent)
of the tunnel. I can't see why, since the servo would then depend on four 3/32
inch rivets through the 1/8inch composite.
Any ideas?
Happy landings
Ferg
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--> Europa-List message posted by: van eldik <ave@tulips7.demon.co.uk>
Will be there from Tuesday-Friday .
Anthony van Eldik
Mono Classic
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--> Europa-List message posted by: DAVID HUNTER <david.hunter68@btinternet.com>
Gentlemen, I have for disposal a damaged Europa. Some parts are spoken for but
I have the wings, Classic type, in perfect condition with the increased AUW
bushes and strap complete with flaps and ailerons and speed kit fairings, one
fairing is slightly damaged.Also the tailplanes and rudder, similarly undamaged.
Wings and tail are very well finished. The instrument panel is complete minus
GPS and contains Terra vhf and Transponder, remote compass and all the usual
flight instruments. The fuselage is broken off at the tail and is only for an
expert repairer. Undercarriage was the Swiss carbon fibre type and is damaged
( one wheel broken off, the reason for this notice). The seats and interior
are very superior items in leather and alcantara. If anyone is interested please
get in touch for more details, I need the space! ( and I don't want a silly
price).
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Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:17 AM - Dynon Pitot Head (Ross Hyndman)
2. 05:45 AM - Re: Sun N Fun (Jim Butcher)
3. 06:38 AM - Re: Fw: Alternator Lamp (Horizonspace@aol.com)
4. 07:53 AM - Re: Fw: Alternator Lamp (Cliff Shaw)
5. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: Sun N Fun (Steven Pitt)
6. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: Rotax regulator (Gilles Thesee)
7. 10:13 AM - Re: Dynon Pitot Head (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
8. 12:56 PM - Re: scratches (Paul Stewart)
9. 12:56 PM - Re: Mod 61 - Stall warner questionMod 61 - Stall warner question
(Rowland Carson)
10. 01:08 PM - Re: scratches (NevEyre@aol.com)
11. 01:11 PM - Re: Mod 61 - Stall warner questionMod 61 - Stall warner question
(NevEyre@aol.com)
12. 03:05 PM - Rotax regulator (Richard Holder)
13. 03:27 PM - Re: Rotax regulator (Gilles Thesee)
14. 10:33 PM - Re: Re: Rotax regulator (William Mills)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 01:17:34 AM PST US
From: Ross Hyndman
Subject: Europa-List: Dynon Pitot Head
--> Europa-List message posted by: Ross Hyndman
Has anyone installed a Dynon D10A or D100. They come with a pitot head,
OAT and magnetic sensor. Does anyone have ideas on the mounting
positions for these sensors?
Ross
Just started, Classic wings, the rest XS, Rotax 914.
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 05:45:38 AM PST US
From: "Jim Butcher"
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Sun N Fun
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher"
Acouple of years ago I set up a Europa forum at SNF. About 20 people came
and it got a lot of good conversation going. I won't be there this year
(trying to get the hours flown off) so if one of you that is going would set
up a forum it makes a good way for everyone interested in Europa to meet at
a defined time and place. All you have to do is go to the SNF website and
request a forum.
I'll set up a forum at OSH.
Jim Butcher
N241BW
Waiting for weather to clear to continue test flights
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 06:38:25 AM PST US
From: Horizonspace@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fwd: Alternator Lamp
--> Europa-List message posted by: Horizonspace@aol.com
The latest Rotax Installation article by Phil Lockwood explains the Rotax
912 electrical system including the operation of the alternator lamp. You can
find it at the following link:
_http://www.sportpilot.org/magazine/feature/2005%20-%2012%20December%20-%20Tip
s%20and%20Tricks%20for%20Ideal%20Rotax%20912%20Installation.pdf_
(http://www.sportpilot.org/magazine/feature/2005%20-%2012%20December%20-%20Tips%20and%20Tri
cks%20for%20Ideal%20Rotax%20912%20Installation.pdf)
T
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 07:53:43 AM PST US
From: "Cliff Shaw"
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fwd: Alternator Lamp
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw"
I could not find the article using that long string of URL . I found this worked.
www.sportpilot.org/magazine/feature/
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: Horizonspace@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fwd: Alternator Lamp
--> Europa-List message posted by: Horizonspace@aol.com
The latest Rotax Installation article by Phil Lockwood explains the Rotax
912 electrical system including the operation of the alternator lamp. You can
find it at the following link:
_http://www.sportpilot.org/magazine/feature/2005%20-%2012%20December%20-%20Tip
s%20and%20Tricks%20for%20Ideal%20Rotax%20912%20Installation.pdf_
(http://www.sportpilot.org/magazine/feature/2005%20-%2012%20December%20-%20Tips%20and%20Tri
cks%20for%20Ideal%20Rotax%20912%20Installation.pdf)
T
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 07:55:00 AM PST US
From: "Steven Pitt"
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Sun N Fun
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt"
Jim
I can build a Europa but the workings of the internet leave me a little
cold.
I will be visiting Sun'n'Fun with a couple of British colleagues, including
Andy and John from 'the factory'. Other known visitors will be Peter Grant,
the Europa Club editor, and at last e-mail I think Alan Burrows was also
intending to be in Florida. I await further names.
As we are only just getting our act together I do not know if any
official/unofficial gatherings are to take place but if this forum can
receive any visitor intentions I can try to keep a list for the week.
Last year we had some very successful impromptu meals but my wife is
concerned that I will get led astray again!!
Regards
Steve Pitt #403 G-SMDH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Butcher"
Sent: 31 January 2006 13:39
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Sun N Fun
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher"
>
> Acouple of years ago I set up a Europa forum at SNF. About 20 people came
> and it got a lot of good conversation going. I won't be there this year
> (trying to get the hours flown off) so if one of you that is going would
set
> up a forum it makes a good way for everyone interested in Europa to meet
at
> a defined time and place. All you have to do is go to the SNF website and
> request a forum.
>
> I'll set up a forum at OSH.
>
> Jim Butcher
> N241BW
> Waiting for weather to clear to continue test flights
>
>
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 10:02:30 AM PST US
From: Gilles Thesee
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Rotax regulator
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee
William Mills a crit :
>Do you consider the Rotax regulator could develop an intermittent fault so
>that it is not always charging at full capacity? I have noticed in flight
>that sometimes the voltmeter drops to about 13 V and other times it stays at
>14 V (13.8, I presume). Last time I brought the aircraft home the battery
>was not full charged and needed some time on the charger to top it up. The
>battery is an Odyssey PC680 and is only one year old.
>Many thanks,
>
>
Richard and all,
It would be interesting to study what electrical devices are on, and
what the engine RPM are, versus voltmeter readings. It is normal to see
the bus voltage drop when the current draw is high. It also depends on
the battery state of charge.
Now, if there is a problem, yes the regulator could be the culprit, but
there are so many other causes to investigate.
Frequent problems are faulty wiring, especially the connection between
the regulator case and the ship's ground. Remember your 14-18 charging
amps flow through this connection.
Every connection in the circuit should be checked for tightness, absence
of corrosion, correct wire gauge, etc.
Also, you need a thorough load analysis in order to be sure your
permanent draw does not exceed 10-12 amps. And remember the alternator
delivers power when RPM is sufficient, that is around 5000 RPM.
Do you have a schematic of your aircraft circuit ?
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
http://contrails.free.fr
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 10:13:01 AM PST US
From: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dynon Pitot Head
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Ross,
I have just received my Dynon D100. The remote magnetic sensor is in a small
(4"x2"x11/2") box that gets mounted inside the fuselage with a specific
orientation to the display unit and away from any magnetic fields caused by
electrical wires or equipment. It comes with an 18' long cable harness.
The OAT probe "be mounted somewhere on the skin of the airplane where it will
not be affected by heat sources".
The Pitot probe "has been designed for under the wing installation". They
recommend "mount it at least 6 to 8 inches below the wing and with the tip of the
probe between 2 and 12 inches behind the leading edge". They go on to say
that it is usually mounted about mid-wing to stay out of the effect of the prop
and the wing tip.
I hope this helps. Let me know if you need any other info that I might have.
Mike Duane
Redding, Calif
XS Conventional Gear
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Time: 12:56:22 PM PST US
From: Paul Stewart
Subject: Re: Europa-List: scratches
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart
Cliff - feel free to give me any advice you think might help - I'm sure
it won't be the last stupid thing I do - it certainly wasn't the first.
Thanks to those that responded. I have found similar products from Light
Aero spares in the UK.
Regards
Paul
G-GIDY
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
Time: 12:56:22 PM PST US
From: Rowland Carson warner question
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 61 - Stall warner questionMod 61 - Stall warner
question
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson warner question
At 2006-01-30 09:56 -0800 Andrew Sarangan wrote:
>I could not find Neville's posting in the archives on using a light
>bulb to locate the distance
Andrew - I'm not sure who originally offered the idea, but here's the
one that worked very easily for me - I certainly don't claim to be
the originator.
Once you've made your hole in the spar, place a very bright light in
front of the wing leading edge (not too close, don't cook the wing!).
You should be able to look forward through the spar hole and note
that the light is shining through the leading edge skin. You may have
to arrange things so that the light is not shining directly in your
eyes above the wing skin while you're trying to squint through the
hole. Now ask your beautiful assistant to hold up an opaque sheet
(metal, wood, thick card) close to the LE. You should be able to see
the edge of the shadow cast by the opaque sheet. Now ask the
assistant (before she gets gets fed up & goes away again) to slide
the sheet inboard or outboard on the wing LE until the edge of its
shadow (as seen by you looking forwards through the spar hole) is in
the desired position relative to the edge of the rib nose. Next she
should use her marker pen to put a nice dot on the LE at the very
edge of her opaque sheet. That's got the position fixed in one plane
- nw use the template to fix the hole in the up/down direction.
It is possible to do a similar process single-handed - but as all the
best maths books say, this is left as an exercise for the student.
regards
Rowland
--
| Rowland Carson PFA #16532
| 750 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail
________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
Time: 01:08:13 PM PST US
From: NevEyre@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: scratches
--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
Paul,
With the fine abrasive papers, and the polish, don't go round in circles, or
you will get a '' Torvil and Dean '' effect, best to go ''up and
down'' so any small residual marks will be in that plane, and not horizontal,
which seems to show up more ? [ or you will be looking thru more of it on the
horizon ?]
If the scratches are deep, sand / polish a larger area, so as to get a
gradual ''thinning'' rather than a ''dip''.
Softly, softly, and you can be sure of rescuing it.
Cheers,
Nev.
________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
Time: 01:11:44 PM PST US
From: NevEyre@aol.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 61 - Stall warner questionMod 61 - Stall warner
question
--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
A big [ D cell ] Maglite, sat on scrap foam, shining forward thru the hole
in the spar works well if you have no pretty assistant to hand, get your head
under a blanket, draped over the leading edge, and the rib will show up thru
the wing, where there is no foam present.
Cheers,
Nev; [ with no pretty assistant to hand !]
________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
Time: 03:05:03 PM PST US
From: Richard Holder
Subject: Europa-List: Rotax regulator
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder
I checked the C terminal. Disconnecting it does eventually
kill the charging but not very quickly, so disconnecting
the C connection via a crowbar won't work.
At about 5000 rpm the C terminal was taking 0.04 A.
Not-a-lot !
Gilles - I notice you say that earthing the C terminal
will kill the output. But your own wiring diagram shows
that the C terminal is connected directly to a diode which
would not allow any current to run to earth from inside
the regulator ! So I suspect your "earthing" of the C
terminal was really just disconnecting it.
I replaced my original (intermittent fault) rectifier
today and it worked. So the replacement (which flicked the
ammeter needle between 1 - 10 amps 5 times a second over
5000 rpm) was faulty and it will be on its way back to the
supplier tomorrow !
I actually looked at the circuit board of my original (now
re-installed) regulator and saw three possible sites for
dry-joints. So I applied my soldering iron. The regulator
still works so I didn't bu**er it up; I will wait for a
few flights before I proclaim that I have fixed the
intermittent failure to charge !
Richard with positive engineering news about the
electrics. So now to continue to determine why the oil
thermostat doesn't work the way I expected.
G-OWWW High Cross
________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
Time: 03:27:48 PM PST US
From: Gilles Thesee
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax regulator
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee
Hi Richard and all,
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder
>
>I checked the C terminal. Disconnecting it does eventually
>kill the charging but not very quickly, so disconnecting
>the C connection via a crowbar won't work.
>
>
In our circuit, the crow bar connects the C wire to ground, so it sees
zero volt. At the same time, it trips the alternator disconnect CB,
opening the line relay. So the alternator is totally disconnected from
the ship's circuit.
>At about 5000 rpm the C terminal was taking 0.04 A.
>Not-a-lot !
>
>Gilles - I notice you say that earthing the C terminal
>will kill the output. But your own wiring diagram shows
>that the C terminal is connected directly to a diode which
>would not allow any current to run to earth from inside
>the regulator !
>
Correct. The C terminal is a sense connection to provide a reference
voltage to the command circuit. When you ground it, the reference
voltage is zero volt.
No current is intended to flow out of it. C voltage is always greater
than or equal to zero volt.
>So I suspect your "earthing" of the C
>terminal was really just disconnecting it.
>
>
What voltage does C teminal see when it is left dangling "in the air" ?
>I replaced my original (intermittent fault) rectifier
>today and it worked. So the replacement (which flicked the
>ammeter needle between 1 - 10 amps 5 times a second over
>5000 rpm) was faulty and it will be on its way back to the
>supplier tomorrow !
>
>I actually looked at the circuit board of my original (now
>re-installed) regulator and saw three possible sites for
>dry-joints. So I applied my soldering iron. The regulator
>still works so I didn't bu**er it up; I will wait for a
>few flights before I proclaim that I have fixed the
>intermittent failure to charge !
>
>Richard with positive engineering news about the
>electrics.
>
Great news.
> So now to continue to determine why the oil
>thermostat doesn't work the way I expected.
>
>
>
Maybe I missed previous messages, but how should it work, and how does
it behave ?
We shunned the thermostat thing, and went the duct and cowl flap route,
with great satisfaction.
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
http://contrails.free.fr
________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________
Time: 10:33:57 PM PST US
From: "William Mills"
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Rotax regulator
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
Thanks John and Gilles,
I'm afraid I don't have a schematic, but I have several hundred hours with
the same loading regime and I have noticed a change in the readings on the
VDO voltmeter over the past 3 months or so. It is also intermittent. I
will check all my connections, however. Would a smear of grease help to
maintain a good connection?
B w,
William
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gilles Thesee"
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Rotax regulator
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee
>
>
> William Mills a crit :
>
>>Do you consider the Rotax regulator could develop an intermittent fault so
>>that it is not always charging at full capacity? I have noticed in flight
>>that sometimes the voltmeter drops to about 13 V and other times it stays
>>at
>>14 V (13.8, I presume). Last time I brought the aircraft home the battery
>>was not full charged and needed some time on the charger to top it up.
>>The
>>battery is an Odyssey PC680 and is only one year old.
>>Many thanks,
>>
>>
> Richard and all,
>
> It would be interesting to study what electrical devices are on, and
> what the engine RPM are, versus voltmeter readings. It is normal to see
> the bus voltage drop when the current draw is high. It also depends on
> the battery state of charge.
>
> Now, if there is a problem, yes the regulator could be the culprit, but
> there are so many other causes to investigate.
> Frequent problems are faulty wiring, especially the connection between
> the regulator case and the ship's ground. Remember your 14-18 charging
> amps flow through this connection.
> Every connection in the circuit should be checked for tightness, absence
> of corrosion, correct wire gauge, etc.
> Also, you need a thorough load analysis in order to be sure your
> permanent draw does not exceed 10-12 amps. And remember the alternator
> delivers power when RPM is sufficient, that is around 5000 RPM.
>
> Do you have a schematic of your aircraft circuit ?
=== message truncated ===
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
I will be there for some of the days. Would it be an idea to have a
rendezvous point at a specific time of the day for the five days? That way
we can all join up without prior arrangements. For example: 11 am at the
Europa centre.
If a list evolves, I would like to be on it.
Bryan Allsop. G-BYSA Mono XS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Henderson" <europabill@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Sun N Fun
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill Henderson"
> <europabill@bellsouth.net>
>
> I'm going to Sun-n-Fun and woudl very much like to get together with my
> fellow Europa builders. I'll be there Tuesday through Friday. If nothing
> else, maybe we can all meet at the Europa booth at a designated time. Any
> chance Andy might be able to arrange something "official"? Maybe we could
> be nice and take Andy and John out to dinner.......
>
> Please add me to the list.
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill Henderson" <europabill@bellsouth.net>
David,
Was this a classic? If so, do you have the classic radiators? Also, any
ideas on pricing for what you have?
I'm in the US. I assume you're in England. Am I corect?
Thanks,
Bill
A010 Classic Monowheel
----- Original Message -----
From: "DAVID HUNTER" <david.hunter68@btinternet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:53 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Parts.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DAVID HUNTER
> <david.hunter68@btinternet.com>
>
> Gentlemen, I have for disposal a damaged Europa. Some parts are spoken
> for but I have the wings, Classic type, in perfect condition with the
> increased AUW bushes and strap complete with flaps and ailerons and speed
> kit fairings, one fairing is slightly damaged.Also the tailplanes and
> rudder, similarly undamaged. Wings and tail are very well finished. The
> instrument panel is complete minus GPS and contains Terra vhf and
> Transponder, remote compass and all the usual flight instruments. The
> fuselage is broken off at the tail and is only for an expert repairer.
> Undercarriage was the Swiss carbon fibre type and is damaged ( one wheel
> broken off, the reason for this notice). The seats and interior are very
> superior items in leather and alcantara. If anyone is interested please
> get in touch for more details, I need the space! ( and I don't want a
> silly price).
>
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> ----------------------
>
> 1. 01:17 AM - Dynon Pitot Head (Ross Hyndman)
> 2. 05:45 AM - Re: Sun N Fun (Jim Butcher)
> 3. 06:38 AM - Re: Fw: Alternator Lamp (Horizonspace@aol.com)
> 4. 07:53 AM - Re: Fw: Alternator Lamp (Cliff Shaw)
> 5. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: Sun N Fun (Steven Pitt)
> 6. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: Rotax regulator (Gilles Thesee)
> 7. 10:13 AM - Re: Dynon Pitot Head (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
> 8. 12:56 PM - Re: scratches (Paul Stewart)
> 9. 12:56 PM - Re: Mod 61 - Stall warner questionMod 61 - Stall warner
> question (Rowland Carson)
> 10. 01:08 PM - Re: scratches (NevEyre@aol.com)
> 11. 01:11 PM - Re: Mod 61 - Stall warner questionMod 61 - Stall warner
> question (NevEyre@aol.com)
> 12. 03:05 PM - Rotax regulator (Richard Holder)
> 13. 03:27 PM - Re: Rotax regulator (Gilles Thesee)
> 14. 10:33 PM - Re: Re: Rotax regulator (William Mills)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:17:34 AM PST US
> From: Ross Hyndman
> Subject: Europa-List: Dynon Pitot Head
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Ross Hyndman
>
> Has anyone installed a Dynon D10A or D100. They come with a pitot head,
> OAT and magnetic sensor. Does anyone have ideas on the mounting
> positions for these sensors?
>
> Ross
> Just started, Classic wings, the rest XS, Rotax 914.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:45:38 AM PST US
> From: "Jim Butcher"
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Sun N Fun
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher"
>
> Acouple of years ago I set up a Europa forum at SNF. About 20 people came
> and it got a lot of good conversation going. I won't be there this year
> (trying to get the hours flown off) so if one of you that is going would
> set
> up a forum it makes a good way for everyone interested in Europa to meet
> at
> a defined time and place. All you have to do is go to the SNF website and
> request a forum.
>
> I'll set up a forum at OSH.
>
> Jim Butcher
> N241BW
> Waiting for weather to clear to continue test flights
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:38:25 AM PST US
> From: Horizonspace@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fwd: Alternator Lamp
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Horizonspace@aol.com
>
> The latest Rotax Installation article by Phil Lockwood explains the Rotax
> 912 electrical system including the operation of the alternator lamp. You
> can
>
> find it at the following link:
>
> _http://www.sportpilot.org/magazine/feature/2005%20-%2012%20December%20-%20Tip
> s%20and%20Tricks%20for%20Ideal%20Rotax%20912%20Installation.pdf_
> (http://www.sportpilot.org/magazine/feature/2005%20-%2012%20December%20-%20Tips%20and%20Tri
> cks%20for%20Ideal%20Rotax%20912%20Installation.pdf)
>
> T
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:53:43 AM PST US
> From: "Cliff Shaw"
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fwd: Alternator Lamp
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw"
>
> I could not find the article using that long string of URL . I found this
> worked.
> www.sportpilot.org/magazine/feature/
>
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds, WA 98020
> 425 776 5555
> http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Horizonspace@aol.com
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:35 AM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fwd: Alternator Lamp
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Horizonspace@aol.com
>
> The latest Rotax Installation article by Phil Lockwood explains the Rotax
> 912 electrical system including the operation of the alternator lamp. You
> can
> find it at the following link:
>
> _http://www.sportpilot.org/magazine/feature/2005%20-%2012%20December%20-%20Tip
> s%20and%20Tricks%20for%20Ideal%20Rotax%20912%20Installation.pdf_
> (http://www.sportpilot.org/magazine/feature/2005%20-%2012%20December%20-%20Tips%20and%20Tri
> cks%20for%20Ideal%20Rotax%20912%20Installation.pdf)
>
> T
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:55:00 AM PST US
> From: "Steven Pitt"
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Sun N Fun
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt"
>
> Jim
> I can build a Europa but the workings of the internet leave me a little
> cold.
> I will be visiting Sun'n'Fun with a couple of British colleagues,
> including
> Andy and John from 'the factory'. Other known visitors will be Peter
> Grant,
> the Europa Club editor, and at last e-mail I think Alan Burrows was also
> intending to be in Florida. I await further names.
> As we are only just getting our act together I do not know if any
> official/unofficial gatherings are to take place but if this forum can
> receive any visitor intentions I can try to keep a list for the week.
> Last year we had some very successful impromptu meals but my wife is
> concerned that I will get led astray again!!
> Regards
> Steve Pitt #403 G-SMDH
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Butcher"
> Sent: 31 January 2006 13:39
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Sun N Fun
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher"
>>
>> Acouple of years ago I set up a Europa forum at SNF. About 20 people came
>> and it got a lot of good conversation going. I won't be there this year
>> (trying to get the hours flown off) so if one of you that is going would
> set
>> up a forum it makes a good way for everyone interested in Europa to meet
> at
>> a defined time and place. All you have to do is go to the SNF website and
>> request a forum.
>>
>> I'll set up a forum at OSH.
>>
>> Jim Butcher
>> N241BW
>> Waiting for weather to clear to continue test flights
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:02:30 AM PST US
> From: Gilles Thesee
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Rotax regulator
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee
>
> William Mills a crit :
>
>>Do you consider the Rotax regulator could develop an intermittent fault so
>>that it is not always charging at full capacity? I have noticed in flight
>>that sometimes the voltmeter drops to about 13 V and other times it stays
>>at
>>14 V (13.8, I presume). Last time I brought the aircraft home the battery
>>was not full charged and needed some time on the charger to top it up. The
>>battery is an Odyssey PC680 and is only one year old.
>>Many thanks,
>>
>>
> Richard and all,
>
> It would be interesting to study what electrical devices are on, and
> what the engine RPM are, versus voltmeter readings. It is normal to see
> the bus voltage drop when the current draw is high. It also depends on
> the battery state of charge.
>
> Now, if there is a problem, yes the regulator could be the culprit, but
> there are so many other causes to investigate.
> Frequent problems are faulty wiring, especially the connection between
> the regulator case and the ship's ground. Remember your 14-18 charging
> amps flow through this connection.
> Every connection in the circuit should be checked for tightness, absence
> of corrosion, correct wire gauge, etc.
> Also, you need a thorough load analysis in order to be sure your
> permanent draw does not exceed 10-12 amps. And remember the alternator
> delivers power when RPM is sufficient, that is around 5000 RPM.
>
> Do you have a schematic of your aircraft circuit ?
>
> Regards,
> Gilles Thesee
> Grenoble, France
> http://contrails.free.fr
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:13:01 AM PST US
> From: DuaneFamly@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dynon Pitot Head
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
> Ross,
>
> I have just received my Dynon D100. The remote magnetic sensor is in a
> small
> (4"x2"x11/2") box that gets mounted inside the fuselage with a specific
> orientation to the display unit and away from any magnetic fields caused
> by
> electrical wires or equipment. It comes with an 18' long cable harness.
>
> The OAT probe "be mounted somewhere on the skin of the airplane where it
> will
> not be affected by heat sources".
>
> The Pitot probe "has been designed for under the wing installation". They
> recommend "mount it at least 6 to 8 inches below the wing and with the tip
> of the
>
> probe between 2 and 12 inches behind the leading edge". They go on to say
> that it is usually mounted about mid-wing to stay out of the effect of the
> prop
>
> and the wing tip.
>
> I hope this helps. Let me know if you need any other info that I might
> have.
>
> Mike Duane
> Redding, Calif
> XS Conventional Gear
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:56:22 PM PST US
> From: Paul Stewart
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: scratches
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart
>
> Cliff - feel free to give me any advice you think might help - I'm sure
> it won't be the last stupid thing I do - it certainly wasn't the first.
> Thanks to those that responded. I have found similar products from Light
> Aero spares in the UK.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
> G-GIDY
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:56:22 PM PST US
> From: Rowland Carson warner question
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 61 - Stall warner questionMod 61 - Stall
> warner
> question
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson warner question
>
> At 2006-01-30 09:56 -0800 Andrew Sarangan wrote:
>
>>I could not find Neville's posting in the archives on using a light
>>bulb to locate the distance
>
> Andrew - I'm not sure who originally offered the idea, but here's the
> one that worked very easily for me - I certainly don't claim to be
> the originator.
>
> Once you've made your hole in the spar, place a very bright light in
> front of the wing leading edge (not too close, don't cook the wing!).
> You should be able to look forward through the spar hole and note
> that the light is shining through the leading edge skin. You may have
> to arrange things so that the light is not shining directly in your
> eyes above the wing skin while you're trying to squint through the
> hole. Now ask your beautiful assistant to hold up an opaque sheet
> (metal, wood, thick card) close to the LE. You should be able to see
> the edge of the shadow cast by the opaque sheet. Now ask the
> assistant (before she gets gets fed up & goes away again) to slide
> the sheet inboard or outboard on the wing LE until the edge of its
> shadow (as seen by you looking forwards through the spar hole) is in
> the desired position relative to the edge of the rib nose. Next she
> should use her marker pen to put a nice dot on the LE at the very
> edge of her opaque sheet. That's got the position fixed in one plane
> - nw use the template to fix the hole in the up/down direction.
>
> It is possible to do a similar process single-handed - but as all the
> best maths books say, this is left as an exercise for the student.
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
> --
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:08:13 PM PST US
> From: NevEyre@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: scratches
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
>
> Paul,
> With the fine abrasive papers, and the polish, don't go round in circles,
> or
> you will get a '' Torvil and Dean '' effect, best to go ''up and
> down'' so any small residual marks will be in that plane, and not
> horizontal,
>
> which seems to show up more ? [ or you will be looking thru more of it on
> the
>
> horizon ?]
> If the scratches are deep, sand / polish a larger area, so as to get a
> gradual ''thinning'' rather than a ''dip''.
> Softly, softly, and you can be sure of rescuing it.
> Cheers,
> Nev.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:11:44 PM PST US
> From: NevEyre@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 61 - Stall warner questionMod 61 - Stall
> warner
> question
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
>
> A big [ D cell ] Maglite, sat on scrap foam, shining forward thru the hole
> in the spar works well if you have no pretty assistant to hand, get your
> head
>
> under a blanket, draped over the leading edge, and the rib will show up
> thru
> the wing, where there is no foam present.
> Cheers,
> Nev; [ with no pretty assistant to hand !]
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:05:03 PM PST US
> From: Richard Holder
> Subject: Europa-List: Rotax regulator
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder
>
> I checked the C terminal. Disconnecting it does eventually
> kill the charging but not very quickly, so disconnecting
> the C connection via a crowbar won't work.
>
> At about 5000 rpm the C terminal was taking 0.04 A.
> Not-a-lot !
>
> Gilles - I notice you say that earthing the C terminal
> will kill the output. But your own wiring diagram shows
> that the C terminal is connected directly to a diode which
> would not allow any current to run to earth from inside
> the regulator ! So I suspect your "earthing" of the C
> terminal was really just disconnecting it.
>
> I replaced my original (intermittent fault) rectifier
> today and it worked. So the replacement (which flicked the
> ammeter needle between 1 - 10 amps 5 times a second over
> 5000 rpm) was faulty and it will be on its way back to the
> supplier tomorrow !
>
> I actually looked at the circuit board of my original (now
> re-installed) regulator and saw three possible sites for
> dry-joints. So I applied my soldering iron. The regulator
> still works so I didn't bu**er it up; I will wait for a
> few flights before I proclaim that I have fixed the
> intermittent failure to charge !
>
> Richard with positive engineering news about the
> electrics. So now to continue to determine why the oil
> thermostat doesn't work the way I expected.
>
> G-OWWW High Cross
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 13
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:27:48 PM PST US
> From: Gilles Thesee
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax regulator
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee
>
> Hi Richard and all,
>
>>--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder
>>
>>I checked the C terminal. Disconnecting it does eventually
>>kill the charging but not very quickly, so disconnecting
>>the C connection via a crowbar won't work.
>>
>>
> In our circuit, the crow bar connects the C wire to ground, so it sees
> zero volt. At the same time, it trips the alternator disconnect CB,
> opening the line relay. So the alternator is totally disconnected from
> the ship's circuit.
>
>>At about 5000 rpm the C terminal was taking 0.04 A.
>>Not-a-lot !
>>
>>Gilles - I notice you say that earthing the C terminal
>>will kill the output. But your own wiring diagram shows
>>that the C terminal is connected directly to a diode which
>>would not allow any current to run to earth from inside
>>the regulator !
>>
> Correct. The C terminal is a sense connection to provide a reference
> voltage to the command circuit. When you ground it, the reference
> voltage is zero volt.
> No current is intended to flow out of it. C voltage is always greater
> than or equal to zero volt.
>
>>So I suspect your "earthing" of the C
>>terminal was really just disconnecting it.
>>
>>
> What voltage does C teminal see when it is left dangling "in the air" ?
>
>>I replaced my original (intermittent fault) rectifier
>>today and it worked. So the replacement (which flicked the
>>ammeter needle between 1 - 10 amps 5 times a second over
>>5000 rpm) was faulty and it will be on its way back to the
>>supplier tomorrow !
>>
>>I actually looked at the circuit board of my original (now
>>re-installed) regulator and saw three possible sites for
>>dry-joints. So I applied my soldering iron. The regulator
>>still works so I didn't bu**er it up; I will wait for a
>>few flights before I proclaim that I have fixed the
>>intermittent failure to charge !
>>
>>Richard with positive engineering news about the
>>electrics.
>>
> Great news.
>
>> So now to continue to determine why the oil
>>thermostat doesn't work the way I expected.
>>
>>
>>
> Maybe I missed previous messages, but how should it work, and how does
> it behave ?
> We shunned the thermostat thing, and went the duct and cowl flap route,
> with great satisfaction.
>
> Regards,
> Gilles Thesee
> Grenoble, France
> http://contrails.free.fr
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 14
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:33:57 PM PST US
> From: "William Mills"
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Rotax regulator
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
>
> Thanks John and Gilles,
> I'm afraid I don't have a schematic, but I have several hundred hours with
> the same loading regime and I have noticed a change in the readings on the
> VDO voltmeter over the past 3 months or so. It is also intermittent. I
> will check all my connections, however. Would a smear of grease help to
> maintain a good connection?
> B w,
> William
>
> Do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gilles Thesee"
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Rotax regulator
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee
>>
>>
>> William Mills a crit :
>>
>>>Do you consider the Rotax regulator could develop an intermittent fault
>>>so
>>>that it is not always charging at full capacity? I have noticed in flight
>>>that sometimes the voltmeter drops to about 13 V and other times it stays
>>>at
>>>14 V (13.8, I presume). Last time I brought the aircraft home the battery
>>>was not full charged and needed some time on the charger to top it up.
>>>The
>>>battery is an Odyssey PC680 and is only one year old.
>>>Many thanks,
>>>
>>>
>> Richard and all,
>>
>> It would be interesting to study what electrical devices are on, and
>> what the engine RPM are, versus voltmeter readings. It is normal to see
>> the bus voltage drop when the current draw is high. It also depends on
>> the battery state of charge.
>>
>> Now, if there is a problem, yes the regulator could be the culprit, but
>> there are so many other causes to investigate.
>> Frequent problems are faulty wiring, especially the connection between
>> the regulator case and the ship's ground. Remember your 14-18 charging
>> amps flow through this connection.
>> Every connection in the circuit should be checked for tightness, absence
>> of corrosion, correct wire gauge, etc.
>> Also, you need a thorough load analysis in order to be sure your
>> permanent draw does not exceed 10-12 amps. And remember the alternator
>> delivers power when RPM is sufficient, that is around 5000 RPM.
>>
>> Do you have a schematic of your aircraft circuit ?
>
> === message truncated ===
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Dave,
I'm prospectively interested in the wings.
Can you let me know what the reg. no of the a/c is please.
Regards,
Duncan.
----- Original Message -----
From: "DAVID HUNTER" <david.hunter68@btinternet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:53 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Parts.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DAVID HUNTER
> <david.hunter68@btinternet.com>
>
> Gentlemen, I have for disposal a damaged Europa. Some parts are spoken
> for but I have the wings, Classic type, in perfect condition with the
> increased AUW bushes and strap complete with flaps and ailerons and speed
> kit fairings, one fairing is slightly damaged.Also the tailplanes and
> rudder, similarly undamaged. Wings and tail are very well finished. The
> instrument panel is complete minus GPS and contains Terra vhf and
> Transponder, remote compass and all the usual flight instruments. The
> fuselage is broken off at the tail and is only for an expert repairer.
> Undercarriage was the Swiss carbon fibre type and is damaged ( one wheel
> broken off, the reason for this notice). The seats and interior are very
> superior items in leather and alcantara. If anyone is interested please
> get in touch for more details, I need the space! ( and I don't want a
> silly price).
>
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>
>
> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 01:17 AM - Dynon Pitot Head (Ross Hyndman)
> 2. 05:45 AM - Re: Sun N Fun (Jim Butcher)
> 3. 06:38 AM - Re: Fw: Alternator Lamp (Horizonspace@aol.com)
> 4. 07:53 AM - Re: Fw: Alternator Lamp (Cliff Shaw)
> 5. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: Sun N Fun (Steven Pitt)
> 6. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: Rotax regulator (Gilles Thesee)
> 7. 10:13 AM - Re: Dynon Pitot Head (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
> 8. 12:56 PM - Re: scratches (Paul Stewart)
> 9. 12:56 PM - Re: Mod 61 - Stall warner questionMod 61 - Stall warner
> question (Rowland Carson)
> 10. 01:08 PM - Re: scratches (NevEyre@aol.com)
> 11. 01:11 PM - Re: Mod 61 - Stall warner questionMod 61 - Stall warner
> question (NevEyre@aol.com)
> 12. 03:05 PM - Rotax regulator (Richard Holder)
> 13. 03:27 PM - Re: Rotax regulator (Gilles Thesee)
> 14. 10:33 PM - Re: Re: Rotax regulator (William Mills)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:17:34 AM PST US
> From: Ross Hyndman
> Subject: Europa-List: Dynon Pitot Head
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Ross Hyndman
>
> Has anyone installed a Dynon D10A or D100. They come with a pitot head,
> OAT and magnetic sensor. Does anyone have ideas on the mounting
> positions for these sensors?
>
> Ross
> Just started, Classic wings, the rest XS, Rotax 914.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:45:38 AM PST US
> From: "Jim Butcher"
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Sun N Fun
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher"
>
> Acouple of years ago I set up a Europa forum at SNF. About 20 people came
> and it got a lot of good conversation going. I won't be there this year
> (trying to get the hours flown off) so if one of you that is going would
> set
> up a forum it makes a good way for everyone interested in Europa to meet
> at
> a defined time and place. All you have to do is go to the SNF website and
> request a forum.
>
> I'll set up a forum at OSH.
>
> Jim Butcher
> N241BW
> Waiting for weather to clear to continue test flights
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:38:25 AM PST US
> From: Horizonspace@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fwd: Alternator Lamp
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Horizonspace@aol.com
>
> The latest Rotax Installation article by Phil Lockwood explains the Rotax
> 912 electrical system including the operation of the alternator lamp. You
> can
>
> find it at the following link:
>
> _http://www.sportpilot.org/magazine/feature/2005%20-%2012%20December%20-%20Tip
> s%20and%20Tricks%20for%20Ideal%20Rotax%20912%20Installation.pdf_
> (http://www.sportpilot.org/magazine/feature/2005%20-%2012%20December%20-%20Tips%20and%20Tri
> cks%20for%20Ideal%20Rotax%20912%20Installation.pdf)
>
> T
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:53:43 AM PST US
> From: "Cliff Shaw"
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fwd: Alternator Lamp
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw"
>
> I could not find the article using that long string of URL . I found this
> worked.
> www.sportpilot.org/magazine/feature/
>
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds, WA 98020
> 425 776 5555
> http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Horizonspace@aol.com
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:35 AM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fwd: Alternator Lamp
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Horizonspace@aol.com
>
> The latest Rotax Installation article by Phil Lockwood explains the Rotax
> 912 electrical system including the operation of the alternator lamp. You
> can
> find it at the following link:
>
> _http://www.sportpilot.org/magazine/feature/2005%20-%2012%20December%20-%20Tip
> s%20and%20Tricks%20for%20Ideal%20Rotax%20912%20Installation.pdf_
> (http://www.sportpilot.org/magazine/feature/2005%20-%2012%20December%20-%20Tips%20and%20Tri
> cks%20for%20Ideal%20Rotax%20912%20Installation.pdf)
>
> T
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:55:00 AM PST US
> From: "Steven Pitt"
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Sun N Fun
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt"
>
> Jim
> I can build a Europa but the workings of the internet leave me a little
> cold.
> I will be visiting Sun'n'Fun with a couple of British colleagues,
> including
> Andy and John from 'the factory'. Other known visitors will be Peter
> Grant,
> the Europa Club editor, and at last e-mail I think Alan Burrows was also
> intending to be in Florida. I await further names.
> As we are only just getting our act together I do not know if any
> official/unofficial gatherings are to take place but if this forum can
> receive any visitor intentions I can try to keep a list for the week.
> Last year we had some very successful impromptu meals but my wife is
> concerned that I will get led astray again!!
> Regards
> Steve Pitt #403 G-SMDH
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Butcher"
> Sent: 31 January 2006 13:39
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Sun N Fun
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher"
>>
>> Acouple of years ago I set up a Europa forum at SNF. About 20 people came
>> and it got a lot of good conversation going. I won't be there this year
>> (trying to get the hours flown off) so if one of you that is going would
> set
>> up a forum it makes a good way for everyone interested in Europa to meet
> at
>> a defined time and place. All you have to do is go to the SNF website and
>> request a forum.
>>
>> I'll set up a forum at OSH.
>>
>> Jim Butcher
>> N241BW
>> Waiting for weather to clear to continue test flights
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:02:30 AM PST US
> From: Gilles Thesee
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Rotax regulator
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee
>
> William Mills a crit :
>
>>Do you consider the Rotax regulator could develop an intermittent fault so
>>that it is not always charging at full capacity? I have noticed in flight
>>that sometimes the voltmeter drops to about 13 V and other times it stays
>>at
>>14 V (13.8, I presume). Last time I brought the aircraft home the battery
>>was not full charged and needed some time on the charger to top it up. The
>>battery is an Odyssey PC680 and is only one year old.
>>Many thanks,
>>
>>
> Richard and all,
>
> It would be interesting to study what electrical devices are on, and
> what the engine RPM are, versus voltmeter readings. It is normal to see
> the bus voltage drop when the current draw is high. It also depends on
> the battery state of charge.
>
> Now, if there is a problem, yes the regulator could be the culprit, but
> there are so many other causes to investigate.
> Frequent problems are faulty wiring, especially the connection between
> the regulator case and the ship's ground. Remember your 14-18 charging
> amps flow through this connection.
> Every connection in the circuit should be checked for tightness, absence
> of corrosion, correct wire gauge, etc.
> Also, you need a thorough load analysis in order to be sure your
> permanent draw does not exceed 10-12 amps. And remember the alternator
> delivers power when RPM is sufficient, that is around 5000 RPM.
>
> Do you have a schematic of your aircraft circuit ?
>
> Regards,
> Gilles Thesee
> Grenoble, France
> http://contrails.free.fr
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:13:01 AM PST US
> From: DuaneFamly@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dynon Pitot Head
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
>
> Ross,
>
> I have just received my Dynon D100. The remote magnetic sensor is in a
> small
> (4"x2"x11/2") box that gets mounted inside the fuselage with a specific
> orientation to the display unit and away from any magnetic fields caused
> by
> electrical wires or equipment. It comes with an 18' long cable harness.
>
> The OAT probe "be mounted somewhere on the skin of the airplane where it
> will
> not be affected by heat sources".
>
> The Pitot probe "has been designed for under the wing installation". They
> recommend "mount it at least 6 to 8 inches below the wing and with the tip
> of the
>
> probe between 2 and 12 inches behind the leading edge". They go on to say
> that it is usually mounted about mid-wing to stay out of the effect of the
> prop
>
> and the wing tip.
>
> I hope this helps. Let me know if you need any other info that I might
> have.
>
> Mike Duane
> Redding, Calif
> XS Conventional Gear
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:56:22 PM PST US
> From: Paul Stewart
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: scratches
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart
>
> Cliff - feel free to give me any advice you think might help - I'm sure
> it won't be the last stupid thing I do - it certainly wasn't the first.
> Thanks to those that responded. I have found similar products from Light
> Aero spares in the UK.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
> G-GIDY
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:56:22 PM PST US
> From: Rowland Carson warner question
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 61 - Stall warner questionMod 61 - Stall
> warner
> question
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson warner question
>
> At 2006-01-30 09:56 -0800 Andrew Sarangan wrote:
>
>>I could not find Neville's posting in the archives on using a light
>>bulb to locate the distance
>
> Andrew - I'm not sure who originally offered the idea, but here's the
> one that worked very easily for me - I certainly don't claim to be
> the originator.
>
> Once you've made your hole in the spar, place a very bright light in
> front of the wing leading edge (not too close, don't cook the wing!).
> You should be able to look forward through the spar hole and note
> that the light is shining through the leading edge skin. You may have
> to arrange things so that the light is not shining directly in your
> eyes above the wing skin while you're trying to squint through the
> hole. Now ask your beautiful assistant to hold up an opaque sheet
> (metal, wood, thick card) close to the LE. You should be able to see
> the edge of the shadow cast by the opaque sheet. Now ask the
> assistant (before she gets gets fed up & goes away again) to slide
> the sheet inboard or outboard on the wing LE until the edge of its
> shadow (as seen by you looking forwards through the spar hole) is in
> the desired position relative to the edge of the rib nose. Next she
> should use her marker pen to put a nice dot on the LE at the very
> edge of her opaque sheet. That's got the position fixed in one plane
> - nw use the template to fix the hole in the up/down direction.
>
> It is possible to do a similar process single-handed - but as all the
> best maths books say, this is left as an exercise for the student.
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
> --
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:08:13 PM PST US
> From: NevEyre@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: scratches
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
>
> Paul,
> With the fine abrasive papers, and the polish, don't go round in circles,
> or
> you will get a '' Torvil and Dean '' effect, best to go ''up and
> down'' so any small residual marks will be in that plane, and not
> horizontal,
>
> which seems to show up more ? [ or you will be looking thru more of it on
> the
>
> horizon ?]
> If the scratches are deep, sand / polish a larger area, so as to get a
> gradual ''thinning'' rather than a ''dip''.
> Softly, softly, and you can be sure of rescuing it.
> Cheers,
> Nev.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:11:44 PM PST US
> From: NevEyre@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 61 - Stall warner questionMod 61 - Stall
> warner
> question
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
>
> A big [ D cell ] Maglite, sat on scrap foam, shining forward thru the hole
> in the spar works well if you have no pretty assistant to hand, get your
> head
>
> under a blanket, draped over the leading edge, and the rib will show up
> thru
> the wing, where there is no foam present.
> Cheers,
> Nev; [ with no pretty assistant to hand !]
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:05:03 PM PST US
> From: Richard Holder
> Subject: Europa-List: Rotax regulator
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder
>
> I checked the C terminal. Disconnecting it does eventually
> kill the charging but not very quickly, so disconnecting
> the C connection via a crowbar won't work.
>
> At about 5000 rpm the C terminal was taking 0.04 A.
> Not-a-lot !
>
> Gilles - I notice you say that earthing the C terminal
> will kill the output. But your own wiring diagram shows
> that the C terminal is connected directly to a diode which
> would not allow any current to run to earth from inside
> the regulator ! So I suspect your "earthing" of the C
> terminal was really just disconnecting it.
>
> I replaced my original (intermittent fault) rectifier
> today and it worked. So the replacement (which flicked the
> ammeter needle between 1 - 10 amps 5 times a second over
> 5000 rpm) was faulty and it will be on its way back to the
> supplier tomorrow !
>
> I actually looked at the circuit board of my original (now
> re-installed) regulator and saw three possible sites for
> dry-joints. So I applied my soldering iron. The regulator
> still works so I didn't bu**er it up; I will wait for a
> few flights before I proclaim that I have fixed the
> intermittent failure to charge !
>
> Richard with positive engineering news about the
> electrics. So now to continue to determine why the oil
> thermostat doesn't work the way I expected.
>
> G-OWWW High Cross
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 13
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:27:48 PM PST US
> From: Gilles Thesee
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax regulator
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee
>
> Hi Richard and all,
>
>>--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder
>>
>>I checked the C terminal. Disconnecting it does eventually
>>kill the charging but not very quickly, so disconnecting
>>the C connection via a crowbar won't work.
>>
>>
> In our circuit, the crow bar connects the C wire to ground, so it sees
> zero volt. At the same time, it trips the alternator disconnect CB,
> opening the line relay. So the alternator is totally disconnected from
> the ship's circuit.
>
>>At about 5000 rpm the C terminal was taking 0.04 A.
>>Not-a-lot !
>>
>>Gilles - I notice you say that earthing the C terminal
>>will kill the output. But your own wiring diagram shows
>>that the C terminal is connected directly to a diode which
>>would not allow any current to run to earth from inside
>>the regulator !
>>
> Correct. The C terminal is a sense connection to provide a reference
> voltage to the command circuit. When you ground it, the reference
> voltage is zero volt.
> No current is intended to flow out of it. C voltage is always greater
> than or equal to zero volt.
>
>>So I suspect your "earthing" of the C
>>terminal was really just disconnecting it.
>>
>>
> What voltage does C teminal see when it is left dangling "in the air" ?
>
>>I replaced my original (intermittent fault) rectifier
>>today and it worked. So the replacement (which flicked the
>>ammeter needle between 1 - 10 amps 5 times a second over
>>5000 rpm) was faulty and it will be on its way back to the
>>supplier tomorrow !
>>
>>I actually looked at the circuit board of my original (now
>>re-installed) regulator and saw three possible sites for
>>dry-joints. So I applied my soldering iron. The regulator
>>still works so I didn't bu**er it up; I will wait for a
>>few flights before I proclaim that I have fixed the
>>intermittent failure to charge !
>>
>>Richard with positive engineering news about the
>>electrics.
>>
> Great news.
>
>> So now to continue to determine why the oil
>>thermostat doesn't work the way I expected.
>>
>>
>>
> Maybe I missed previous messages, but how should it work, and how does
> it behave ?
> We shunned the thermostat thing, and went the duct and cowl flap route,
> with great satisfaction.
>
> Regards,
> Gilles Thesee
> Grenoble, France
> http://contrails.free.fr
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 14
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:33:57 PM PST US
> From: "William Mills"
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Rotax regulator
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
>
> Thanks John and Gilles,
> I'm afraid I don't have a schematic, but I have several hundred hours with
> the same loading regime and I have noticed a change in the readings on the
> VDO voltmeter over the past 3 months or so. It is also intermittent. I
> will check all my connections, however. Would a smear of grease help to
> maintain a good connection?
> B w,
> William
>
> Do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gilles Thesee"
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Rotax regulator
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee
>>
>>
>> William Mills a crit :
>>
>>>Do you consider the Rotax regulator could develop an intermittent fault
>>>so
>>>that it is not always charging at full capacity? I have noticed in flight
>>>that sometimes the voltmeter drops to about 13 V and other times it stays
>>>at
>>>14 V (13.8, I presume). Last time I brought the aircraft home the battery
>>>was not full charged and needed some time on the charger to top it up.
>>>The
>>>battery is an Odyssey PC680 and is only one year old.
>>>Many thanks,
>>>
>>>
>> Richard and all,
>>
>> It would be interesting to study what electrical devices are on, and
>> what the engine RPM are, versus voltmeter readings. It is normal to see
>> the bus voltage drop when the current draw is high. It also depends on
>> the battery state of charge.
>>
>> Now, if there is a problem, yes the regulator could be the culprit, but
>> there are so many other causes to investigate.
>> Frequent problems are faulty wiring, especially the connection between
>> the regulator case and the ship's ground. Remember your 14-18 charging
>> amps flow through this connection.
>> Every connection in the circuit should be checked for tightness, absence
>> of corrosion, correct wire gauge, etc.
>> Also, you need a thorough load analysis in order to be sure your
>> permanent draw does not exceed 10-12 amps. And remember the alternator
>> delivers power when RPM is sufficient, that is around 5000 RPM.
>>
>> Do you have a schematic of your aircraft circuit ?
>
> === message truncated ===
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: kbcarpenter@comcast.net
I'll be there Tuesday to Friday. Flightcrafters usually has an openhouse Thursday
evening. Have not heard about this year. At this time, not planning on flying
the Europa there.
Ken Carpenter N 9XS
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden" <N914VA@starband.net>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden"
>
>
> I too will be at Sun n Fun and would like to meet with other builders. I am
> planning to be there most of the event, so any day and time would probably work
> for me.
>
> Vaughn Teegarden
> N914VA, Wires in hand, Ready to close wings
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
I'll be there Tuesday to Friday. Flightcrafters usually has an openhouse Thursday
evening. Have not heard about this year. At this time, not planning on flying
the Europa there.
Ken Carpenter N 9XS
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Vaughn Gaye Teegarden" N914VA@starband.net
-- Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn Gaye Teegarden"
<N914VA@STARBAND.NET>
I too will be at Sun n Fun and would like to meet with other builders. I am
planning to be there most of the event, so any day and time would probably work
for me.
Vaughn Teegarden
N914VA, Wires in hand, Ready to close wings
re:
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Seitz" <daseitz@cfl.rr.com>
If it was set to meet at 11 am each day at Europa then all could get some
lunch together after.
That sounds good to me. Not sure yet what days I will be there but its only
a 50 minute drive or a 15 minute flight each day.
Dean Seitz
N284A A284
XS Tri Gear High Top 914 Airmaster
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Allsop
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Sun N Fun
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
I will be there for some of the days. Would it be an idea to have a
rendezvous point at a specific time of the day for the five days? That way
we can all join up without prior arrangements. For example: 11 am at the
Europa centre.
If a list evolves, I would like to be on it.
Bryan Allsop. G-BYSA Mono XS
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
Great idea Bryan! I will be going to Sun 'N Fun too, but don't know exactly
which day or days. I love the idea of setting an 11:00 AM meeting at the
Europa booth every day.
Garry Stout
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Sun N Fun
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop"
> <bryan@blackballclub.com>
>
> I will be there for some of the days. Would it be an idea to have a
> rendezvous point at a specific time of the day for the five days? That way
> we can all join up without prior arrangements. For example: 11 am at the
> Europa centre.
>
> If a list evolves, I would like to be on it.
>
> Bryan Allsop. G-BYSA Mono XS
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Henderson" <europabill@bellsouth.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:52 AM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Sun N Fun
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill Henderson"
>> <europabill@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> I'm going to Sun-n-Fun and woudl very much like to get together with my
>> fellow Europa builders. I'll be there Tuesday through Friday. If
>> nothing
>> else, maybe we can all meet at the Europa booth at a designated time.
>> Any
>> chance Andy might be able to arrange something "official"? Maybe we
>> could
>> be nice and take Andy and John out to dinner.......
>>
>> Please add me to the list.
>>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Mounting 914 wastegate servo |
--> Europa-List message posted by: SPurpura@aol.com
I mounted it on top of stbd footwell & shilded from heat, much better for
future servicing.
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Subject: | Mounting 914 waste gate servo |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Freg,
I mounted mine on top of the tunnel, but I manufactured up some aluminum
spacers and used through bolts. If I was to do this over again, I would
consider mounting the servo and the voltage regulator next to each other on
the fire wall. I would then make a fiberglass cover for them and connect a
cold air blast tube to the cover. It would make to servo far more
serviceable and free up space inside your instrument panel.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:23 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Mounting 914 wastegate servo
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Cheers,
Europa 914 installation Manual, page 1-4, second para, tells one
to mount the subject item on the 'tunnel top' with MS21047-4 anchor nuts On
top (Manual accent)
of the tunnel. I can't see why, since the servo would then depend on four
3/32 inch rivets through the 1/8inch composite.
Any ideas?
Happy landings
Ferg
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden" <N914VA@starband.net>
The 11:00 meeting time at the europa tent sounds good to me also. No lists-plain
and simple-like me.
Vaughn Teegarden
N914VA Mono XS
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Rman <topglock@cox.net>
The wife and I will be there the weekend before and throughout the week.
Probably leaving Sundy. 11am is fine with us. See you all there...
Jeff - N55XS "Baby Blue"
137 hours
Bryan Allsop wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
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> I will be there for some of the days. Would it be an idea to have a
> rendezvous point at a specific time of the day for the five days? That way
> we can all join up without prior arrangements. For example: 11 am at the
> Europa centre.
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> If a list evolves, I would like to be on it.
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> Bryan Allsop. G-BYSA Mono XS
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Henderson" <europabill@bellsouth.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:52 AM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Sun N Fun
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>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill Henderson"
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>>I'm going to Sun-n-Fun and woudl very much like to get together with my
>>fellow Europa builders. I'll be there Tuesday through Friday. If nothing
>>else, maybe we can all meet at the Europa booth at a designated time. Any
>>chance Andy might be able to arrange something "official"? Maybe we could
>>be nice and take Andy and John out to dinner.......
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>>Please add me to the list.
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Europa-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
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