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1. 01:48 AM - Europa Classic Test Fitting (flyingphil2)
2. 03:33 AM - Europa Classic Test Fitting (flyingphil2)
3. 04:14 AM - Re: Europa Classic Test Fitting (William Daniell)
4. 06:28 AM - Re: Europa Classic Test Fitting (Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com)
5. 06:28 AM - Conductive grease (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
6. 06:33 AM - Re: Europa Classic Test Fitting (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
7. 07:19 AM - John Tempest leaving the PFA (Jeremy Davey)
8. 07:56 AM - Re: Instrument panel and radio tray material (Cliff Shaw)
9. 10:25 AM - Re: Conductive grease (Fred Fillinger)
10. 10:29 AM - Re: Conductive grease (Brian Davies)
11. 11:42 AM - Re: John Tempest leaving the PFA (David Watts)
12. 12:26 PM - Re: Europas with no hanger.... (willie harrison)
13. 12:52 PM - fitting doors (josok)
14. 01:31 PM - Re: fitting doors (SteveD)
15. 02:32 PM - Sun n Fun Identities (Bryan Allsop)
16. 04:54 PM - Re: fitting doors (Cliff Shaw)
17. 05:07 PM - Re: Instrument panel and radio tray material (Rman)
18. 05:18 PM - Re: Europa Classic Test Fitting (Rman)
19. 06:11 PM - Re: fitting doors (SPurpura@aol.com)
20. 06:14 PM - Re: Europa Classic Test Fitting (SPurpura@aol.com)
21. 09:45 PM - Re: Europas with no hanger.... (William Mills)
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| Subject: | Europa Classic Test Fitting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "flyingphil2" <ptiller@lolacars.com>
Hello All,
I'm new to this forum but have just joined as I'm thinking of building a Europa.
I had my mind set on an XS and possibly a Hi-top but I've recently seen a Classic
kit for sale which is unstarted. I've had a flight as a passenger in a
Classic and being 6'1" tall and medium (ish!) build I fitted in fairly well.
However, I would like to sit in a Classic (with/without cockpit mods (LA etc))
again before I make my mind up.
I'm located in Northampton in the UK. Is there any Europa Classic owner nearby
who could spare an hour or so to let me have a look at their aircraft and have
a sit in it please?
Also, I've seen quite a lot of info on the net about this but could any Classic
builders give a realistic estimate of build times for this kit. I was going
to go for the fastbuild option (~1000hrs) but with a Classic 'Slowbuild' I guess
I'm looking at much longer.
Thanks,
Phil
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| Subject: | Europa Classic Test Fitting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "flyingphil2" <ptiller@lolacars.com>
Hello All,
I'm new to this forum but have just joined as I'm thinking of building a Europa.
I had my mind set on an XS and possibly a Hi-top but I've recently seen a Classic
kit for sale which is unstarted. I've had a flight as a passenger in a
Classic and being 6'1" tall and medium (ish!) build I fitted in fairly well.
However, I would like to sit in a Classic (with/without cockpit mods (LA etc))
again before I make my mind up.
I'm located in Northampton in the UK. Is there any Europa Classic owner nearby
who could spare an hour or so to let me have a look at their aircraft and have
a sit in it please?
Also, I've seen quite a lot of info on the net about this but could any Classic
builders give a realistic estimate of build times for this kit. I was going
to go for the fastbuild option (~1000hrs) but with a Classic 'Slowbuild' I guess
I'm looking at much longer.
Thanks,
Phil
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| Subject: | Europa Classic Test Fitting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
Take the time you think it will take to build - add in all the f-factor you
can think of and then double it.
But remember that the journey is as important as the destination
(glasshopper).
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyingphil2
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 06:29
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Classic Test Fitting
--> Europa-List message posted by: "flyingphil2" <ptiller@lolacars.com>
Hello All,
I'm new to this forum but have just joined as I'm thinking of building a
Europa. I had my mind set on an XS and possibly a Hi-top but I've recently
seen a Classic kit for sale which is unstarted. I've had a flight as a
passenger in a Classic and being 6'1" tall and medium (ish!) build I fitted
in fairly well. However, I would like to sit in a Classic (with/without
cockpit mods (LA etc)) again before I make my mind up.
I'm located in Northampton in the UK. Is there any Europa Classic owner
nearby who could spare an hour or so to let me have a look at their aircraft
and have a sit in it please?
Also, I've seen quite a lot of info on the net about this but could any
Classic builders give a realistic estimate of build times for this kit. I
was going to go for the fastbuild option (~1000hrs) but with a Classic
'Slowbuild' I guess I'm looking at much longer.
Thanks,
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Classic Test Fitting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com
Phil,
My classic took 2,500+ hours and I would imagine that most other builders
who work alone will put in similar time.
At least you are well named, there will be hours and hours of "philling"
to do on the classic wing.
Dave A061
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"flyingphil2" <ptiller@lolacars.com>
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02/07/2006 04:43 AM
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Subject: Europa-List: Europa Classic Test Fitting
--> Europa-List message posted by: "flyingphil2" <ptiller@lolacars.com>
Hello All,
I'm new to this forum but have just joined as I'm thinking of building a
Europa. I had my mind set on an XS and possibly a Hi-top but I've
recently seen a Classic kit for sale which is unstarted. I've had a
flight as a passenger in a Classic and being 6'1" tall and medium (ish!)
build I fitted in fairly well. However, I would like to sit in a Classic
(with/without cockpit mods (LA etc)) again before I make my mind up.
I'm located in Northampton in the UK. Is there any Europa Classic owner
nearby who could spare an hour or so to let me have a look at their
aircraft and have a sit in it please?
Also, I've seen quite a lot of info on the net about this but could any
Classic builders give a realistic estimate of build times for this kit. I
was going to go for the fastbuild option (~1000hrs) but with a Classic
'Slowbuild' I guess I'm looking at much longer.
Thanks,
Phil
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| Subject: | Conductive grease |
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
In a message dated 2/4/2006 3:01:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
europa-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
Hi Brian
> A smear of grease might be Ok after you have connected the earth terminals
> but not before. You want the best possible electrical contact and this
> requires a chemically clean joint- grease on the contact face is not good
>
> This would be true for normal grease, but there are products available that
> are conductive, usually refered to in the telecommunications world as
> "conductive grease". You will find them at any electrical supply house. One in
> particular we use on copper to copper connections is called "Penetrox". Penetrox
> is basically copper powder that is mixed in grease. There are also similar
> products sold under the name "Copper Coat" and "CopperOx". These preparations
> enhance the conductivity of the connection between a lug and buss bar or
> between the lug and the cable if applied before crimping them. They also prevent
> oxidation of the connection later on. They are commonly used on electrical
> connections that are exposed to weather, such as lightning protection systems
and
> outdoor lighting fixtures. There are also products available specificly
> formulated for aluminum to copper or aluminum to aluminum connections.
>
> Anyway, hope it helps!
>
> Regards,
>
> John Lawton
> Dunlap, TN
> A-245 (Engine installation complete, airfame complete, painted surfaces
> being finish buffed today while I await FAA registration. Watch this space for
a
> big announcement coming in a few weeks!)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Classic Test Fitting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
1000 hours! Whoa Phil!
I can tell you that 1000 hours to build an XS kit is probably not realistic.
I purchased all fast build options. With over 2 years time and 800 hours into
the project I still have airplane pieces laying about the house. <Granted
these pieces are now much much larger than they once were.> I'm not close to
completion.
My guess < and it is only that> is these are a 2000 plus hour project. Take
your time and enjoy the build process. < It's actually therapeutic for me> If
that's not to your liking then buy one already built. Any way you choose you
will have a sweet flying airplane.
Do not Archive.
Brian Skelly
Europa XS TriGear #A276
North Texas USA
You can see my build photos at:
www.europaowners.org/brians
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| Subject: | John Tempest leaving the PFA |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
(Apologies to the non-UK folks for whom this will be of only marginal
interest at best.)
PFA HQ have issued the following statement:
"Our Deputy chief Engineer John Tempest has reluctantly decided to move on
after 10 years of dedicated work for PFA. John has been head hunted by De
Havilland Support (DHS) for some time and has now made a final decision to
take the opportunity to develop his career with DHS. We wish him well in
that move.
To maintain our capability John will remain as a consultant to PFA.
As members know we are currently interviewing candidates for a Head of
Engineering and a new design Engineer. With John's imminent departure we
have now expanded this programme to include a replacement for John.
Clearly this situation will reduce in the short term our capability and
service levels will potentially suffer. Be assured all efforts will be made
to mitigate this problem. During this difficult period members are asked to
assist by reducing their demands as much as possible."
I'd just a like to add a few personal notes, as I know this will give rise
to great concern in a group such as the Europa community that has a lot of
flying aircraft, many more approaching first flight, and a high rate of
modifications.
First of all, this is an excellent opportunity for John, who has given the
PFA 10 years of service, and it is quite understandable that he wants to
progress his career. He leaves us with my best wishes.
Secondly, obviously this is not a good time to lose an Engineer. We were
already recruiting a fourth Engineering head, and replacing the Head of
Engineering. We're down to 1 man (Francis) compared to 3 a year ago, and
compared to a budgeted headcount of 4. It doesn't take Burt Rutan to work
out that this situation brings 'challenges'.
Obviously I'll be doing my best, along with the rest of the Engineering
committee at the PFA, and the EC, to resolve this as quickly as possible.
We'll also be using this as an opportunity to re-think the way Engineering
works (clouds and silver linings and all that). Liza and I are 'heads down'
house-hunting at present, and that process will hopefully be followed by a
house move, so can I just say that I'd really appreciate it if folks didn't
'vent' their frustrations at me at this time.
Thanks and regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
"If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation."
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and
lack of workshop
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument panel and radio tray material |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Michael
.050 alum . I think it was 5053 alloy.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
PS The weather has broke, I am going flying today :)
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Grass
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 8:02 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Instrument panel and radio tray material
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
Hi Group,
I like to query what others have done for the instrument panel. Which material
and what thickness did you use for the instrument panel front and the radio
stack / radio tray mounting. It looks like when I am done cutting all those openings,
there will hardly be any material left, so I am not sure what should be
used here.
Thanks
Michael Grass
A266 Trigear
Detroit, Mi
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| Subject: | Re: Conductive grease |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
I don't see how conductive grease will solve or prevent any
problem. At least a quick Google didn't tell me the stuff
is used in this type application. Auto manufacturers don't
do it in the engine room or even under the car, at least in
the many that I've pulled. Use too much of that stuff, and
heat might make it run and short out.
One could use silicone RTV where necessary to seal up the
connector to the regulator, to keep out moisture. Or a
nonconductive grease, as came with a trailer hitch
electrical kit I bought once.
Reg,
Fred F.
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| Subject: | Conductive grease |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
Good point John, although I would not think it would be necessary for an
aircraft installation.
Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Sent: 07 February 2006 14:24
Subject: Europa-List: Conductive grease
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
In a message dated 2/4/2006 3:01:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,
europa-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
Hi Brian
> A smear of grease might be Ok after you have connected the earth terminals
> but not before. You want the best possible electrical contact and this
> requires a chemically clean joint- grease on the contact face is not good
>
> This would be true for normal grease, but there are products available
that
> are conductive, usually refered to in the telecommunications world as
> "conductive grease". You will find them at any electrical supply house.
One in
> particular we use on copper to copper connections is called "Penetrox".
Penetrox
> is basically copper powder that is mixed in grease. There are also similar
> products sold under the name "Copper Coat" and "CopperOx". These
preparations
> enhance the conductivity of the connection between a lug and buss bar or
> between the lug and the cable if applied before crimping them. They also
prevent
> oxidation of the connection later on. They are commonly used on electrical
> connections that are exposed to weather, such as lightning protection
systems and
> outdoor lighting fixtures. There are also products available specificly
> formulated for aluminum to copper or aluminum to aluminum connections.
>
> Anyway, hope it helps!
>
> Regards,
>
> John Lawton
> Dunlap, TN
> A-245 (Engine installation complete, airfame complete, painted surfaces
> being finish buffed today while I await FAA registration. Watch this space
for a
> big announcement coming in a few weeks!)
--
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| Subject: | Re: John Tempest leaving the PFA |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Watts" <dg.watts@virgin.net>
Oh dear, perhaps I'll write off ever hearing from the PFA re my mod.
I've been waiting for SIX weeks now for permission to change my prop to an
Airmaster. This is a 'mod' which the vast majority of the Europa fleet
already operates with, so I pity anybody expecting permission for an obscure
mod.
And to think the Engineering Department at the PFA was so efficient just a
few short years ago when were building and finishing our aircraft.
Dave Watts
G-BXDY. 1100 hours but now grounded and waiting.
> "Our Deputy chief Engineer John Tempest has reluctantly decided to move on
> after 10 years of dedicated work for PFA. John has been head hunted by De
> Havilland Support (DHS) for some time and has now made a final decision to
> take the opportunity to develop his career with DHS. We wish him well in
> that move.
>
> Clearly this situation will reduce in the short term our capability and
> service levels will potentially suffer. Be assured all efforts will be
made
> to mitigate this problem. During this difficult period members are asked
to
> assist by reducing their demands as much as possible."
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| Subject: | Europas with no hanger.... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "willie harrison" <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
Terry
I kept my trigear in the open for the first winter I had it and it was a
nightmare. Every time the wind changed direction I'd have to sprint down
to the airfield to turn the beast around. If you really can't avoid it
being in the open then I'd advise the following:
Park in the lee of a hanger or other structure if possible.
Lash/lock all the controls very well. Everything is vulnerable when the
control surfaces are flapping in a tail wind, especially the elevator
torque tube.
Find some way of tying down the nose, tail and both wings. Europas are
much lighter than just about anything you'll see parked outside and it
doesn't take too much of a gust for them to "take off". Nose and tail
are not too hard. If I were doing it again I think I'd make up some
canvas socks to go over the wing tips to attach a tie down to. By
contrast, the PA28 I had a part share in lived outside for 10 years with
simple tie downs and we had no problems even in severe gale force winds
- one advantage of an aircraft built like a brick sh*t house.
Cover the elevator pip pin holes so they don't fill with rain water and
cause crevice corrosion to the torque tube.
Cover the canopy, fuel filler and engine cowlings with a rain proof
cover to keep out water and wildlife.
Be ready for electrical gremlins, especially radios, in very wet
weather.
Presumably you'll keep any valuables out of sight or out of the
aircraft.
Good luck finding somewhere to put it out of the weather.
Willie Harrison
G-BZNY
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TERRY SMITH
Sent: 06 February 2006 14:08
Subject: Europa-List: Europas with no hanger....
--> Europa-List message posted by: "TERRY SMITH"
<skyguard33-register@yahoo.co.uk>
I am looking to purchase a Europa but for the foreseeable future it may
have to live outside.
Is there any advice on precautions to take, covers to buy, how to tie
down etc etc.
Any experience on what weathers badly and needs to be checked
frequently... etc etc.
Many thanks,
Terry.
(Location - East Coast - UK)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
The Manual says:" You will have to trim the door tang so that there is a gap of
at least 8 mm (5/16") between its end and the fuselage to allow the door to be
opened fully."
Hesitating here. I don't remember to have seen such a gap on the many Europa's
I've seen so far. Is the gap there or am i misunderstanding things?
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
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| Subject: | RE: fitting doors |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Yes Jos, I had to trim that much to get the doors to open fully.
The hard points in the cockpit frame on my shell were in the wrong location and
at the wrong angle. The receiving "cups" on the pilot side had to be cut off
and reformed and on the passenger side the fill that pooled in the cup had to
be ground out. But both doors open and close nicely now. ( With Gap ) If you look
in Wile E's photos I think he cut the tangs on the door square and capped
the cup so he has almost zero gap.
Chat Later,
Steved
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| Subject: | Sun n Fun Identities |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
I have spoken to John at Europa about meeting up at their tent, and the possibility
of them supplying some means of identifying other Europa Club members.
He told me that he has been following the subject on the site, and we are welcome
to use their place as a rendezvous. He will be taking some badges out with
him and some means of sticking them on. Europa will be very happy to have us call
in and collect them before the proposed 11.00 am meet-ups.
Unfortunately the badges will have to travel in John's luggage, so there will not
be an inexhaustible supply.
Cheers! Bryan.
XS Mono 912S G-BYSA
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: fitting doors |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Jos
I did not like the big gaps in the door tangs either. I talked to Andy when I
was building and he did not know why they were built the way the are, SO , I
redesigned the tangs and the recesses in the top of the fuselage. I have just
a small crack around the tangs the same as around the rest of the door. The hinge
line was keep the same.
To do this I had to make new recesses to fit the new tangs. The tangs are squared
off and the recesses are squared off too. It really is not a hard job. (just
takes tine! ) I started by dremal-grinding the old recess away. Then put foam
blocks in place and layers up 4 layers of bid on the inside of the top. The
tangs were much harder to build. I used a little bid and a lot of flox and
trial and error to get them squared off. (the hinge surface is not changed)
There are pictures some ware in my Europaowners page.
Good luck
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: josok
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 12:50 PM
Subject: Europa-List: fitting doors
--> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
The Manual says:" You will have to trim the door tang so that there is a gap
of at least 8 mm (5/16") between its end and the fuselage to allow the door to
be opened fully."
Hesitating here. I don't remember to have seen such a gap on the many Europa's
I've seen so far. Is the gap there or am i misunderstanding things?
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument panel and radio tray material |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rman <topglock@cox.net>
Hi Michael,
The panel faces in N55XS are made of .063" aluminum. The trays are
.040. Easy to work with and cheap...
Jeff - N55XS
140 hours and still grinning...
Michael Grass wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
>
>Hi Group,
>
>I like to query what others have done for the instrument panel. Which material
and what thickness did you use for the instrument panel front and the radio stack
/ radio tray mounting. It looks like when I am done cutting all those openings,
there will hardly be any material left, so I am not sure what should be
used here.
>
>Thanks
>
>Michael Grass
>
>A266 Trigear
>Detroit, Mi
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Classic Test Fitting |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rman <topglock@cox.net>
Building an XS in 1000 hours can certainly be done, though it takes a
bit of dedication and a sense of urgency... :)
I built mine is 925 hours, but I rarely had three days, in succession,
when I wasn't doing something on the plane. I was also fortunate enough
to have been exposed to aircraft and related systems all my life...
Jeff - N55XS
140 hours and still grinning...
EuropaXSA276@aol.com wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
>
>1000 hours! Whoa Phil!
>
>I can tell you that 1000 hours to build an XS kit is probably not realistic.
>I purchased all fast build options. With over 2 years time and 800 hours into
>the project I still have airplane pieces laying about the house. <Granted
>these pieces are now much much larger than they once were.> I'm not close to
>completion.
>
>My guess < and it is only that> is these are a 2000 plus hour project. Take
>your time and enjoy the build process. < It's actually therapeutic for me> If
>that's not to your liking then buy one already built. Any way you choose you
>will have a sweet flying airplane.
>
>Do not Archive.
>
>Brian Skelly
>Europa XS TriGear #A276
>North Texas USA
>You can see my build photos at:
>www.europaowners.org/brians
>
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| Subject: | Re: fitting doors |
--> Europa-List message posted by: SPurpura@aol.com
It varies depending on hinges are set,trim to fit.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: SPurpura@aol.com
I was a first time builder and spent 2250 hrs on my XS,600 hrs in the sanding
and filling alone.
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| Subject: | Re: Europas with no hanger.... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <william@wrmills.plus.com>
Terry,
Because the Europa is so easy to rig and de-rig, the alternative is a
covered trailer. Many of us use that method. However, someone who keeps
his Europa outside permanently is Peter Jeffers, committee member /
inspector / PFA examiner; details in any of the mags.
Good luck,
William
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "willie harrison" <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 8:23 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europas with no hanger....
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "willie harrison"
> <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
>
> Terry
>
> I kept my trigear in the open for the first winter I had it and it was a
> nightmare. Every time the wind changed direction I'd have to sprint down
> to the airfield to turn the beast around. If you really can't avoid it
> being in the open then I'd advise the following:
>
> Park in the lee of a hanger or other structure if possible.
>
> Lash/lock all the controls very well. Everything is vulnerable when the
> control surfaces are flapping in a tail wind, especially the elevator
> torque tube.
>
> Find some way of tying down the nose, tail and both wings. Europas are
> much lighter than just about anything you'll see parked outside and it
> doesn't take too much of a gust for them to "take off". Nose and tail
> are not too hard. If I were doing it again I think I'd make up some
> canvas socks to go over the wing tips to attach a tie down to. By
> contrast, the PA28 I had a part share in lived outside for 10 years with
> simple tie downs and we had no problems even in severe gale force winds
> - one advantage of an aircraft built like a brick sh*t house.
>
> Cover the elevator pip pin holes so they don't fill with rain water and
> cause crevice corrosion to the torque tube.
>
> Cover the canopy, fuel filler and engine cowlings with a rain proof
> cover to keep out water and wildlife.
>
> Be ready for electrical gremlins, especially radios, in very wet
> weather.
>
> Presumably you'll keep any valuables out of sight or out of the
> aircraft.
>
> Good luck finding somewhere to put it out of the weather.
>
> Willie Harrison
>
> G-BZNY
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TERRY SMITH
> Sent: 06 February 2006 14:08
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Europas with no hanger....
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "TERRY SMITH"
> <skyguard33-register@yahoo.co.uk>
>
> I am looking to purchase a Europa but for the foreseeable future it may
> have to live outside.
>
> Is there any advice on precautions to take, covers to buy, how to tie
> down etc etc.
>
> Any experience on what weathers badly and needs to be checked
> frequently... etc etc.
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
> Terry.
> (Location - East Coast - UK)
>
>
> --
>
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