Europa-List Digest Archive

Wed 02/08/06


Total Messages Posted: 16



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     1. 12:33 AM - Re: John Tempest leaving the PFA (Steven Pitt)
     2. 01:54 AM - DOTH Fri Shobdon (Paddy Clarke)
     3. 01:59 AM - Re: John Tempest leaving the PFA (Jeremy Davey)
     4. 06:08 AM - Re: John Tempest leaving the PFA (Steven Pitt)
     5. 06:08 AM - Re: DOTH Fri Shobdon (David Joyce)
     6. 06:08 AM - Steve Fossett (Steven Pitt)
     7. 06:17 AM - Multiple postings (David Joyce)
     8. 06:51 AM - Conductive grease (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
     9. 07:00 AM - Re: Multiple postings (Jos Okhuijsen)
    10. 07:38 AM - Re: John Tempest leaving the PFA (Jeremy Davey)
    11. 07:42 AM - Europa Fast Build cocpit module for sale. Save yourself 300 hours of work (Phil Tait)
    12. 09:20 AM - Re: John Tempest leaving the PFA (Steven Pitt)
    13. 03:10 PM - Re: Pre-heating a Rotax? (josok)
    14. 03:23 PM - Re: Multiple postings (Tim Ward)
    15. 03:28 PM - Re: Conductive grease (Fred Fillinger)
    16. 07:26 PM - Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell (Paul McAllister)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:33:57 AM PST US
    From: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: Re: John Tempest leaving the PFA
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com> Jeremy This is not an attempt to vent frustrations at you or anyone else but as I approach my kit completion I hope that the Engineering Offices efforts are being concentrated on existing builders with kits about to fly rather than new 'commercial' kits that are still coming off the drawing board. I am not in the know but my impression is that much valuable time has been spent testing new 'sexy' aircraft rather than looking after the fleet. I wish you both well in your endeavours be it house hunting, aircraft building or married life. Regards Steve Pitt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com> Sent: 07 February 2006 15:17 Subject: Europa-List: John Tempest leaving the PFA > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com> > > (Apologies to the non-UK folks for whom this will be of only marginal > interest at best.) > > PFA HQ have issued the following statement: > > "Our Deputy chief Engineer John Tempest has reluctantly decided to move on > after 10 years of dedicated work for PFA. John has been head hunted by De > Havilland Support (DHS) for some time and has now made a final decision to > take the opportunity to develop his career with DHS. We wish him well in > that move. > > To maintain our capability John will remain as a consultant to PFA. > > As members know we are currently interviewing candidates for a Head of > Engineering and a new design Engineer. With John's imminent departure we > have now expanded this programme to include a replacement for John. > > Clearly this situation will reduce in the short term our capability and > service levels will potentially suffer. Be assured all efforts will be made > to mitigate this problem. During this difficult period members are asked to > assist by reducing their demands as much as possible." > > I'd just a like to add a few personal notes, as I know this will give rise > to great concern in a group such as the Europa community that has a lot of > flying aircraft, many more approaching first flight, and a high rate of > modifications. > > First of all, this is an excellent opportunity for John, who has given the > PFA 10 years of service, and it is quite understandable that he wants to > progress his career. He leaves us with my best wishes. > > Secondly, obviously this is not a good time to lose an Engineer. We were > already recruiting a fourth Engineering head, and replacing the Head of > Engineering. We're down to 1 man (Francis) compared to 3 a year ago, and > compared to a budgeted headcount of 4. It doesn't take Burt Rutan to work > out that this situation brings 'challenges'. > > Obviously I'll be doing my best, along with the rest of the Engineering > committee at the PFA, and the EC, to resolve this as quickly as possible. > We'll also be using this as an opportunity to re-think the way Engineering > works (clouds and silver linings and all that). Liza and I are 'heads down' > house-hunting at present, and that process will hopefully be followed by a > house move, so can I just say that I'd really appreciate it if folks didn't > 'vent' their frustrations at me at this time. > > Thanks and regards, > Jeremy > > Jeremy Davey > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA > Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative > PFA EC Member > "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is > possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." > Tail done > Standard XS wings with mods underway > CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) > 1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and > lack of workshop > Intended fit: > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms > >


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    Time: 01:54:30 AM PST US
    From: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
    Subject: DOTH Fri Shobdon
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net> Hi Folks, Its time we had another DOTH. How about Shobdon on Fri. 10th. 1200ish, voucher in Pilot. Cheers, Paddy Paddy Clarke Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM


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    Time: 01:59:10 AM PST US
    From: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
    Subject: John Tempest leaving the PFA
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com> Steve, Very many thanks for your kind wishes, and your core point is well understood. I can help a little on that... The focus of priorities in Engineering is quite clear, and actually has been for some time. Flying planes come first - "keep them in the air". Next are projects at completion - "get them flying". Poor souls like me who are years off flying are bottom of the stack - with exceptions made on a case-by-case basis if work is being stopped by Engineering's lack of progress on an item (as happened to me - I couldn't proceed with anything at one point as mods on everything were pending). What I don't think has been satisfactorily sorted is priority given to new types. I fully accept that these are an investment in the PFA's future - but at present I don't think we can afford that luxury. I'm interested in feedback from folks on the level of priority we should give those (so fire away!). Bear in mind, of course, that glider wings for Europas probably fall into this category... and I know I'm not the only person who wants those (in fact there are 2 EC members out of 18 who do!). Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and lack of workshop Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Pitt Sent: 08 February 2006 08:29 Subject: Re: Europa-List: John Tempest leaving the PFA --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" --> <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com> Jeremy This is not an attempt to vent frustrations at you or anyone else but as I approach my kit completion I hope that the Engineering Offices efforts are being concentrated on existing builders with kits about to fly rather than new 'commercial' kits that are still coming off the drawing board. I am not in the know but my impression is that much valuable time has been spent testing new 'sexy' aircraft rather than looking after the fleet. I wish you both well in your endeavours be it house hunting, aircraft building or married life. Regards Steve Pitt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com> Sent: 07 February 2006 15:17 Subject: Europa-List: John Tempest leaving the PFA > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com> > > (Apologies to the non-UK folks for whom this will be of only marginal > interest at best.) > > PFA HQ have issued the following statement: > > "Our Deputy chief Engineer John Tempest has reluctantly decided to move on > after 10 years of dedicated work for PFA. John has been head hunted by De > Havilland Support (DHS) for some time and has now made a final decision to > take the opportunity to develop his career with DHS. We wish him well in > that move. > > To maintain our capability John will remain as a consultant to PFA. > > As members know we are currently interviewing candidates for a Head of > Engineering and a new design Engineer. With John's imminent departure we > have now expanded this programme to include a replacement for John. > > Clearly this situation will reduce in the short term our capability and > service levels will potentially suffer. Be assured all efforts will be made > to mitigate this problem. During this difficult period members are asked to > assist by reducing their demands as much as possible." > > I'd just a like to add a few personal notes, as I know this will give rise > to great concern in a group such as the Europa community that has a lot of > flying aircraft, many more approaching first flight, and a high rate of > modifications. > > First of all, this is an excellent opportunity for John, who has given the > PFA 10 years of service, and it is quite understandable that he wants to > progress his career. He leaves us with my best wishes. > > Secondly, obviously this is not a good time to lose an Engineer. We were > already recruiting a fourth Engineering head, and replacing the Head of > Engineering. We're down to 1 man (Francis) compared to 3 a year ago, and > compared to a budgeted headcount of 4. It doesn't take Burt Rutan to work > out that this situation brings 'challenges'. > > Obviously I'll be doing my best, along with the rest of the Engineering > committee at the PFA, and the EC, to resolve this as quickly as possible. > We'll also be using this as an opportunity to re-think the way Engineering > works (clouds and silver linings and all that). Liza and I are 'heads down' > house-hunting at present, and that process will hopefully be followed by a > house move, so can I just say that I'd really appreciate it if folks didn't > 'vent' their frustrations at me at this time. > > Thanks and regards, > Jeremy > > Jeremy Davey > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA > Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative > PFA EC Member > "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is > possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." > Tail done > Standard XS wings with mods underway > CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) > 1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and > lack of workshop > Intended fit: > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms > >


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    Time: 06:08:18 AM PST US
    From: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: Re: John Tempest leaving the PFA
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com> Jeremy Well put - without being too biased, I would put the glider wings well up the pecking order as surely this is to get existing designs flying. The glider wings have been in the offing for years, surely longer than the Mk? Spitfire (as wonderful a plane as that seems to be). I appreciate that if the cake is small it becomes more difficult to cut it to everyones benefit. I am working on a School Budget at present with falling numbers of pupils and potential redundancies! The shame with the PFA is that the organisation seems to be having recruitment/retention problems. Is there a story there? Regards Steve Pitt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com> Sent: 08 February 2006 09:58 Subject: RE: Europa-List: John Tempest leaving the PFA > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com> > > Steve, > > Very many thanks for your kind wishes, and your core point is well > understood. I can help a little on that... > > The focus of priorities in Engineering is quite clear, and actually has been > for some time. Flying planes come first - "keep them in the air". Next are > projects at completion - "get them flying". Poor souls like me who are years > off flying are bottom of the stack - with exceptions made on a case-by-case > basis if work is being stopped by Engineering's lack of progress on an item > (as happened to me - I couldn't proceed with anything at one point as mods > on everything were pending). > > What I don't think has been satisfactorily sorted is priority given to new > types. I fully accept that these are an investment in the PFA's future - but > at present I don't think we can afford that luxury. I'm interested in > feedback from folks on the level of priority we should give those (so fire > away!). Bear in mind, of course, that glider wings for Europas probably fall > into this category... and I know I'm not the only person who wants those (in > fact there are 2 EC members out of 18 who do!). > > Regards, > Jeremy > > Jeremy Davey > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA > Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative > PFA EC Member > "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is > possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." > Tail done > Standard XS wings with mods underway > CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) > 1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and > lack of workshop > Intended fit: > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Pitt > Sent: 08 February 2006 08:29 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: John Tempest leaving the PFA > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" > --> <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com> > > Jeremy > This is not an attempt to vent frustrations at you or anyone else but as I > approach my kit completion I hope that the Engineering Offices efforts are > being concentrated on existing builders with kits about to fly rather than > new 'commercial' kits that are still coming off the drawing board. > I am not in the know but my impression is that much valuable time has been > spent testing new 'sexy' aircraft rather than looking after the fleet. > I wish you both well in your endeavours be it house hunting, aircraft > building or married life. > Regards > Steve Pitt > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > Sent: 07 February 2006 15:17 > Subject: Europa-List: John Tempest leaving the PFA > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com> > > > > (Apologies to the non-UK folks for whom this will be of only marginal > > interest at best.) > > > > PFA HQ have issued the following statement: > > > > "Our Deputy chief Engineer John Tempest has reluctantly decided to move on > > after 10 years of dedicated work for PFA. John has been head hunted by De > > Havilland Support (DHS) for some time and has now made a final decision to > > take the opportunity to develop his career with DHS. We wish him well in > > that move. > > > > To maintain our capability John will remain as a consultant to PFA. > > > > As members know we are currently interviewing candidates for a Head of > > Engineering and a new design Engineer. With John's imminent departure we > > have now expanded this programme to include a replacement for John. > > > > Clearly this situation will reduce in the short term our capability and > > service levels will potentially suffer. Be assured all efforts will be > made > > to mitigate this problem. During this difficult period members are asked > to > > assist by reducing their demands as much as possible." > > > > I'd just a like to add a few personal notes, as I know this will give rise > > to great concern in a group such as the Europa community that has a lot of > > flying aircraft, many more approaching first flight, and a high rate of > > modifications. > > > > First of all, this is an excellent opportunity for John, who has given the > > PFA 10 years of service, and it is quite understandable that he wants to > > progress his career. He leaves us with my best wishes. > > > > Secondly, obviously this is not a good time to lose an Engineer. We were > > already recruiting a fourth Engineering head, and replacing the Head of > > Engineering. We're down to 1 man (Francis) compared to 3 a year ago, and > > compared to a budgeted headcount of 4. It doesn't take Burt Rutan to work > > out that this situation brings 'challenges'. > > > > Obviously I'll be doing my best, along with the rest of the Engineering > > committee at the PFA, and the EC, to resolve this as quickly as possible. > > We'll also be using this as an opportunity to re-think the way Engineering > > works (clouds and silver linings and all that). Liza and I are 'heads > down' > > house-hunting at present, and that process will hopefully be followed by a > > house move, so can I just say that I'd really appreciate it if folks > didn't > > 'vent' their frustrations at me at this time. > > > > Thanks and regards, > > Jeremy > > > > Jeremy Davey > > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA > > Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative > > PFA EC Member > > "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it > is > > possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." > > Tail done > > Standard XS wings with mods underway > > CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) > > 1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and > > lack of workshop > > Intended fit: > > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop > > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:08:18 AM PST US
    From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
    Subject: Re: DOTH Fri Shobdon
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> Paddy I am up for that. Regards David, G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paddy Clarke" <paddyclarke@lineone.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 9:50 AM Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Fri Shobdon > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net> > > Hi Folks, > Its time we had another DOTH. How about Shobdon on Fri. 10th. > 1200ish, voucher in Pilot. > Cheers, Paddy > > > Paddy Clarke > > Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > National Patient Safety Agency - supporting Doctors.net.uk members in safe practice. > http://www.doctors.net.uk/NPSA > ________________________________________________________________________ > >


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    Time: 06:08:19 AM PST US
    From: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: Steve Fossett
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com> Just seen on the Orlando Sentinel that he took off from Kennedy Space Centre at 07.23 EST (12.23 GMT) this morning. Next stop Manston? Steve Pitt #403 Do not archive


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    Time: 06:17:08 AM PST US
    From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
    Subject: Multiple postings
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> Many apologies to all for my part in overloading your systems with multiple repeats of the same message at the W/E. I thought some of you might like to know how it happened: I had penned a message on voltage regulators directly to the guy with the problem in New Zealand. As an afterthought I decided it might be of some interest to the net and copied the message to the europa net. The recipient was probably running a Microsoft Small Business software (although this is yet to be confirmed) and these have the built in property of sending on (another) copy of the message to anyone mentioned in the 'copy' box. This of course sent it to the net and back to him and the process repeated itself - a sort of email flutter! My own system has been checked and found clean. It would not of course have caused a problem had I not sent a message copied ,inter alia, to the same recipient. Should any of you use the Microsoft Small Business Solutions software, my computer expert tells me that Microsoft have a patch available to stop this flutter phenomenon. Regards, David Joyce


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    Time: 06:51:44 AM PST US
    From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
    Subject: Conductive grease
    --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com In a message dated 2/8/2006 3:01:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, europa-list-digest@matronics.com writes: Hi Fred, > I don't see how conductive grease will solve or prevent any > problem. > > Sure it does. Conductive grease enhances the conductivity of the connection > and prevents oxidation down the road. Penetrox is used either between the lug > and the buss bar or between the lug and the cable. A lug that is freshly > crimped or recently installed on a buss bar generally doesn't need any > conductivity enhancement, but 5-10 years down the road when corrosion sets up between > the cable and the lug or the lug and the buss bar it becomes very important. > You only use a very thin layer of the Penetrox between the cable and the lug > or the lug and the buss bar, so there is no need to worry about heating up > the grease and having it run out. I've seen lugs on lightning protection > systesm that took repeated direct lightning discharges on literally thousands cell > towers and I've never, ever seen Penetrox run out due to heating. Believe me, > the lugs get very hot when they take a direct hit by lightning, particularly > in Kentucky and Michigan where the ground resistance is high. Small crimps get soldered to prevent oxidation. Large lugs are difficult to solder, so > Penetrox is used. This is industry standard. I also put a piece of heat shrink over the crimped area of the lug. The shrink > will help prevent oxidation and it makes the connection look better, too. > I have seen quite a few battery cables fail on automobiles due to oxidation > between the end lug and the cable, particularly on GM products. However, I > have never once seen a cable connection fail when Penetrox or Al-Ox was used in > more than 7,000 cell site installations I've done over the past 19 years. > > In regard to not being able to Google up a specific application for Penetrox > on aircraft, this does not surprise me in the least. As you are aware, we > live in a very litigious society. Given the long and sorted history of aircraft > liability in our court system, manufacturers who do not specifically produce > products for aircraft use are usually very reluctant to say one way or the > other if their products are applicable to use on an aircraft, particularly if > that aircraft is experimental. I ran into this a while back when I made the > mistake of telling a paint manufacturer that I was wanting to use their paint > on an airplane. All I wanted to know was whether or not their paint provided > adequate UV protection for the underlying composite. As soon as I mentioned > aircraft, they stopped responding altogether. I appoached them again a few > weeks later with a different e-mail address and mentioned fiberglass "boat" > instead of fiberglass "aircraft" and they gave me all the info I could ever want > about their paint products. As a result my fiberglass airplane, er, uh, > "boat" is now white and shiny and has loads of UV protection. > > Regards, > > John Lawton > Dunlap, TN > A-245 (Engine installation complete, airframe complete, painted surfaces > being hard waxed and buffed today while I await the return of FAA registration > paperwork sent in NOVEMBER! Watch this space for a big announcement coming in > a few weeks!) >


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    Time: 07:00:04 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Multiple postings
    From: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi> Nice to see the problem found and see you back , Regards, Jos Okhuijsen do not archive


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    Time: 07:38:38 AM PST US
    From: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
    Subject: John Tempest leaving the PFA
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com> Steve, You raise an interesting point asking if we're having staff retention problems, and yes, the same thought occurred to me. Now, I'm willing to be shot down in flames if I'm proved wrong, but I don't think we do. JT stuck around for 10 years, and is leaving for good career reasons (DHSL have been trying to drag him away for a year, and it had reached the "shit or get off the pot" stage). Andrew Moore (IMHO) wasn't really an ideal fit to the PFA needs as it turned out, and made a lifestyle decision to go to Australia (a bit drastic if all he wanted to do was escape the PFA!). The third missing head is a new post. So no, I don't think it's about retention issues, it's just unfortunate that we lose the HoE and a good engineer at the same time as we're trying to recruit a new one. As for recruitment problems - we've had lots of candidates for all roles of all levels of suitability, but I'm sure you'll not have a problem with the team doing the selection being very fussy. Other alternatives to help us cope with the ever changing workload are under consideration too, and I think that's a good thing - I'm just sorry I can't tell you about them at the present time. Bear in mind we also have to plan for the impending advent of EASA in our world over the next 3 years or so - and when implemented the regulatory landscape looks like it will be very different. That's all I'll say on that subject unless you advise me you are suffering from insomnia, in which case I'll send you the relevant consultation documents to read :-) Thanks for the feedback on the glider wings - I have to be careful as I can't let me personal wishes interfere! Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and lack of workshop Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Pitt Sent: 08 February 2006 14:01 Subject: Re: Europa-List: John Tempest leaving the PFA --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" --> <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com> Jeremy Well put - without being too biased, I would put the glider wings well up the pecking order as surely this is to get existing designs flying. The glider wings have been in the offing for years, surely longer than the Mk? Spitfire (as wonderful a plane as that seems to be). I appreciate that if the cake is small it becomes more difficult to cut it to everyones benefit. I am working on a School Budget at present with falling numbers of pupils and potential redundancies! The shame with the PFA is that the organisation seems to be having recruitment/retention problems. Is there a story there? Regards Steve Pitt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com> Sent: 08 February 2006 09:58 Subject: RE: Europa-List: John Tempest leaving the PFA > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com> > > Steve, > > Very many thanks for your kind wishes, and your core point is well > understood. I can help a little on that... > > The focus of priorities in Engineering is quite clear, and actually has been > for some time. Flying planes come first - "keep them in the air". Next are > projects at completion - "get them flying". Poor souls like me who are years > off flying are bottom of the stack - with exceptions made on a case-by-case > basis if work is being stopped by Engineering's lack of progress on an item > (as happened to me - I couldn't proceed with anything at one point as mods > on everything were pending). > > What I don't think has been satisfactorily sorted is priority given to new > types. I fully accept that these are an investment in the PFA's future - but > at present I don't think we can afford that luxury. I'm interested in > feedback from folks on the level of priority we should give those (so fire > away!). Bear in mind, of course, that glider wings for Europas probably fall > into this category... and I know I'm not the only person who wants those (in > fact there are 2 EC members out of 18 who do!). > > Regards, > Jeremy > > Jeremy Davey > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA > Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative > PFA EC Member > "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is > possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." > Tail done > Standard XS wings with mods underway > CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) > 1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and > lack of workshop > Intended fit: > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Pitt > Sent: 08 February 2006 08:29 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: John Tempest leaving the PFA > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" > --> <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com> > > Jeremy > This is not an attempt to vent frustrations at you or anyone else but as I > approach my kit completion I hope that the Engineering Offices efforts are > being concentrated on existing builders with kits about to fly rather than > new 'commercial' kits that are still coming off the drawing board. > I am not in the know but my impression is that much valuable time has been > spent testing new 'sexy' aircraft rather than looking after the fleet. > I wish you both well in your endeavours be it house hunting, aircraft > building or married life. > Regards > Steve Pitt > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > Sent: 07 February 2006 15:17 > Subject: Europa-List: John Tempest leaving the PFA > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com> > > > > (Apologies to the non-UK folks for whom this will be of only marginal > > interest at best.) > > > > PFA HQ have issued the following statement: > > > > "Our Deputy chief Engineer John Tempest has reluctantly decided to move on > > after 10 years of dedicated work for PFA. John has been head hunted by De > > Havilland Support (DHS) for some time and has now made a final decision to > > take the opportunity to develop his career with DHS. We wish him well in > > that move. > > > > To maintain our capability John will remain as a consultant to PFA. > > > > As members know we are currently interviewing candidates for a Head of > > Engineering and a new design Engineer. With John's imminent departure we > > have now expanded this programme to include a replacement for John. > > > > Clearly this situation will reduce in the short term our capability and > > service levels will potentially suffer. Be assured all efforts will be > made > > to mitigate this problem. During this difficult period members are asked > to > > assist by reducing their demands as much as possible." > > > > I'd just a like to add a few personal notes, as I know this will give rise > > to great concern in a group such as the Europa community that has a lot of > > flying aircraft, many more approaching first flight, and a high rate of > > modifications. > > > > First of all, this is an excellent opportunity for John, who has given the > > PFA 10 years of service, and it is quite understandable that he wants to > > progress his career. He leaves us with my best wishes. > > > > Secondly, obviously this is not a good time to lose an Engineer. We were > > already recruiting a fourth Engineering head, and replacing the Head of > > Engineering. We're down to 1 man (Francis) compared to 3 a year ago, and > > compared to a budgeted headcount of 4. It doesn't take Burt Rutan to work > > out that this situation brings 'challenges'. > > > > Obviously I'll be doing my best, along with the rest of the Engineering > > committee at the PFA, and the EC, to resolve this as quickly as possible. > > We'll also be using this as an opportunity to re-think the way Engineering > > works (clouds and silver linings and all that). Liza and I are 'heads > down' > > house-hunting at present, and that process will hopefully be followed by a > > house move, so can I just say that I'd really appreciate it if folks > didn't > > 'vent' their frustrations at me at this time. > > > > Thanks and regards, > > Jeremy > > > > Jeremy Davey > > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA > > Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative > > PFA EC Member > > "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it > is > > possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." > > Tail done > > Standard XS wings with mods underway > > CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) > > 1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and > > lack of workshop > > Intended fit: > > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop > > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:42:40 AM PST US
    From: "Phil Tait" <phil@archwise.co.uk>
    Subject: Europa Fast Build cocpit module for sale. Save yourself 300
    hours of work --> Europa-List message posted by: "Phil Tait" <phil@archwise.co.uk> I have the last few bits of G-JAPS Left and now have the Cockpit module available For Sale if anyone is interested? Send me an email with 'Salvage' in the title for more information. UK builders only please. Phil Tait * phil@archwise.co.uk


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    Time: 09:20:04 AM PST US
    From: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: Re: John Tempest leaving the PFA
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com> Jeremy The PFA seems to be in very capable hands! I don't suffer from insomnia so I will pass on your very kind offer. Regards Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com> Sent: 08 February 2006 15:36 Subject: RE: Europa-List: John Tempest leaving the PFA > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com> > > Steve, > > You raise an interesting point asking if we're having staff retention > problems, and yes, the same thought occurred to me. > > Now, I'm willing to be shot down in flames if I'm proved wrong, but I don't > think we do. JT stuck around for 10 years, and is leaving for good career > reasons (DHSL have been trying to drag him away for a year, and it had > reached the "shit or get off the pot" stage). Andrew Moore (IMHO) wasn't > really an ideal fit to the PFA needs as it turned out, and made a lifestyle > decision to go to Australia (a bit drastic if all he wanted to do was escape > the PFA!). The third missing head is a new post. > > So no, I don't think it's about retention issues, it's just unfortunate that > we lose the HoE and a good engineer at the same time as we're trying to > recruit a new one. > > As for recruitment problems - we've had lots of candidates for all roles of > all levels of suitability, but I'm sure you'll not have a problem with the > team doing the selection being very fussy. Other alternatives to help us > cope with the ever changing workload are under consideration too, and I > think that's a good thing - I'm just sorry I can't tell you about them at > the present time. Bear in mind we also have to plan for the impending advent > of EASA in our world over the next 3 years or so - and when implemented the > regulatory landscape looks like it will be very different. That's all I'll > say on that subject unless you advise me you are suffering from insomnia, in > which case I'll send you the relevant consultation documents to read :-) > > Thanks for the feedback on the glider wings - I have to be careful as I > can't let me personal wishes interfere! > > Regards, > Jeremy > > Jeremy Davey > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA > Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative > PFA EC Member > "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is > possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." > Tail done > Standard XS wings with mods underway > CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) > 1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and > lack of workshop > Intended fit: > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Pitt > Sent: 08 February 2006 14:01 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: John Tempest leaving the PFA > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" > --> <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com> > > Jeremy > Well put - without being too biased, I would put the glider wings well up > the pecking order as surely this is to get existing designs flying. The > glider wings have been in the offing for years, surely longer than the Mk? > Spitfire (as wonderful a plane as that seems to be). > I appreciate that if the cake is small it becomes more difficult to cut it > to everyones benefit. I am working on a School Budget at present with > falling numbers of pupils and potential redundancies! > The shame with the PFA is that the organisation seems to be having > recruitment/retention problems. Is there a story there? > Regards > Steve Pitt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > Sent: 08 February 2006 09:58 > Subject: RE: Europa-List: John Tempest leaving the PFA > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com> > > > > Steve, > > > > Very many thanks for your kind wishes, and your core point is well > > understood. I can help a little on that... > > > > The focus of priorities in Engineering is quite clear, and actually has > been > > for some time. Flying planes come first - "keep them in the air". Next are > > projects at completion - "get them flying". Poor souls like me who are > years > > off flying are bottom of the stack - with exceptions made on a > case-by-case > > basis if work is being stopped by Engineering's lack of progress on an > item > > (as happened to me - I couldn't proceed with anything at one point as mods > > on everything were pending). > > > > What I don't think has been satisfactorily sorted is priority given to new > > types. I fully accept that these are an investment in the PFA's future - > but > > at present I don't think we can afford that luxury. I'm interested in > > feedback from folks on the level of priority we should give those (so fire > > away!). Bear in mind, of course, that glider wings for Europas probably > fall > > into this category... and I know I'm not the only person who wants those > (in > > fact there are 2 EC members out of 18 who do!). > > > > Regards, > > Jeremy > > > > Jeremy Davey > > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA > > Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative > > PFA EC Member > > "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it > is > > possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." > > Tail done > > Standard XS wings with mods underway > > CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) > > 1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and > > lack of workshop > > Intended fit: > > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop > > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Pitt > > Sent: 08 February 2006 08:29 > > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Europa-List: John Tempest leaving the PFA > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" > > --> <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com> > > > > Jeremy > > This is not an attempt to vent frustrations at you or anyone else but as I > > approach my kit completion I hope that the Engineering Offices efforts are > > being concentrated on existing builders with kits about to fly rather than > > new 'commercial' kits that are still coming off the drawing board. > > I am not in the know but my impression is that much valuable time has been > > spent testing new 'sexy' aircraft rather than looking after the fleet. > > I wish you both well in your endeavours be it house hunting, aircraft > > building or married life. > > Regards > > Steve Pitt > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com> > > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > > Sent: 07 February 2006 15:17 > > Subject: Europa-List: John Tempest leaving the PFA > > > > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" > <europaflyer_3@msn.com> > > > > > > (Apologies to the non-UK folks for whom this will be of only marginal > > > interest at best.) > > > > > > PFA HQ have issued the following statement: > > > > > > "Our Deputy chief Engineer John Tempest has reluctantly decided to move > on > > > after 10 years of dedicated work for PFA. John has been head hunted by > De > > > Havilland Support (DHS) for some time and has now made a final decision > to > > > take the opportunity to develop his career with DHS. We wish him well in > > > that move. > > > > > > To maintain our capability John will remain as a consultant to PFA. > > > > > > As members know we are currently interviewing candidates for a Head of > > > Engineering and a new design Engineer. With John's imminent departure > we > > > have now expanded this programme to include a replacement for John. > > > > > > Clearly this situation will reduce in the short term our capability and > > > service levels will potentially suffer. Be assured all efforts will be > > made > > > to mitigate this problem. During this difficult period members are asked > > to > > > assist by reducing their demands as much as possible." > > > > > > I'd just a like to add a few personal notes, as I know this will give > rise > > > to great concern in a group such as the Europa community that has a lot > of > > > flying aircraft, many more approaching first flight, and a high rate of > > > modifications. > > > > > > First of all, this is an excellent opportunity for John, who has given > the > > > PFA 10 years of service, and it is quite understandable that he wants to > > > progress his career. He leaves us with my best wishes. > > > > > > Secondly, obviously this is not a good time to lose an Engineer. We were > > > already recruiting a fourth Engineering head, and replacing the Head of > > > Engineering. We're down to 1 man (Francis) compared to 3 a year ago, and > > > compared to a budgeted headcount of 4. It doesn't take Burt Rutan to > work > > > out that this situation brings 'challenges'. > > > > > > Obviously I'll be doing my best, along with the rest of the Engineering > > > committee at the PFA, and the EC, to resolve this as quickly as > possible. > > > We'll also be using this as an opportunity to re-think the way > Engineering > > > works (clouds and silver linings and all that). Liza and I are 'heads > > down' > > > house-hunting at present, and that process will hopefully be followed by > a > > > house move, so can I just say that I'd really appreciate it if folks > > didn't > > > 'vent' their frustrations at me at this time. > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > Jeremy > > > > > > Jeremy Davey > > > Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA > > > Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative > > > PFA EC Member > > > "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it > > is > > > possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." > > > Tail done > > > Standard XS wings with mods underway > > > CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) > > > 1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and > > > lack of workshop > > > Intended fit: > > > Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop > > > Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:10:33 PM PST US
    Subject: RE: Pre-heating a Rotax?
    From: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi> While talking to the local Rotax dealer, he suggested a heat exchanger instead of a thermostat and a separate oil cooler. On the attached (click link for list users) picture is also an engine pre-heater visible. the ribbed hose is the steel protected electrical cable. He promised me dimensions and weight data. The exchanger in the picture is a pre-production sample, the installation is on a 912 on an Eurostar. Regards, Jos Okhuijsen ---------------- This Email contains Photos or Attachments located at the following link: http://www.europaowners.org/viewtopic.php?p=9892#9892 ----------------


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    Time: 03:23:09 PM PST US
    From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
    Subject: Re: Multiple postings
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> David, No, I don't have the Microsoft Small Business Server system only Windows XP Home with no additives. Hope this helps. Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8005 New Zealand. Ph +64 3 3515166 Mobile 021 0640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 3:15 AM Subject: Europa-List: Multiple postings > --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" > <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> > > Many apologies to all for my part in overloading your systems with > multiple > repeats of the same message at the W/E. I thought some of you might like > to > know how it happened: > I had penned a message on voltage regulators directly to the guy > with the problem in New Zealand. As an afterthought I decided it might be > of > some interest to the net and copied the message to the europa net. The > recipient was probably running a Microsoft Small Business software > (although > this is yet to be confirmed) and these have the built in property of > sending > on (another) copy of the message to anyone mentioned in the 'copy' box. > This > of course sent it to the net and back to him and the process repeated > itself - a sort of email flutter! > My own system has been checked and found clean. It would not of > course have caused a problem had I not sent a message copied ,inter alia, > to > the same recipient. Should any of you use the Microsoft Small Business > Solutions software, my computer expert tells me that Microsoft have a > patch > available to stop this flutter phenomenon. > Regards, David Joyce > > >


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    Time: 03:28:40 PM PST US
    From: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Conductive grease
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fred Fillinger" <n3eu@comcast.net> --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com> Sure it does. Conductive grease enhances the conductivity of the > connection and prevents oxidation down the road. Well, chicken soup can't hurt either, if you have a cold. Seriously, I've not seen it used in cars, and the operating environment under the hood is a brutal one where they use salt on the roads. Every time like a sensor fails, I'd prefer it to be the connector, but it hasn't yet been so. On my 1972 plane, inside the tail cone (partially exposed to elements) there's a pair of spade connectors for the nav light. Difficult to replace, that arrangement is rusted, corroded, and soaked with dirty oil. From the control hardware above it dripping oil I put there every inspection. The nav light just simply refuses to ever not work. If anyone wants the brand and part# of this connector, I can maybe research it! ;-) Reg, Fred F.


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    Time: 07:26:56 PM PST US
    From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
    Subject: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net> Hi all, I was wondering if anyone in the US would have a fixed pitch propeller that they would sell, or lend.... preferable sell. I have sent my Airmaster back to NZ to have some work done and the typical door to door turn around time is 6 weeks. That's a long time to be without a "Europa drug fix" Just as an aside, I am in the middle of negotiating for the purchase of a second hand 912. I intend to set this up on an engine stand and experiment with fuel injection. Assuming that I can make it work and I can convince myself that it will be reliable I will fit it up to my 914. Other than attaching a propeller to it I don't know how else I will be able to place a load on the engine. Anyhow, if the project ever gets off the ground I'll let the forum know. Cheers, Paul




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