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1. 03:01 AM - Re: Re: Pre-heating a Rotax? (ivor.phillips)
2. 03:20 AM - Re: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell (Bill Henderson)
3. 03:39 AM - Re: Re: Pre-heating a Rotax? (Raimo Toivio)
4. 05:38 AM - Re: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell (Chris Beck)
5. 06:18 AM - reserve fuel (Raimo Toivio)
6. 06:54 AM - Extra 10.5 gallons in right seat ()
7. 06:54 AM - Re: reserve fuel (R.C.Harrison)
8. 07:18 AM - Re: reserve fuel (Richard Holder)
9. 07:24 AM - Re: reserve fuel (Stephan Cassel)
10. 07:24 AM - DOTH of all DOTHs. From London to Melbourne. (Tim Weert)
11. 07:59 AM - Europas with no hanger.... (TERRY SMITH)
12. 07:59 AM - Re: Extra 10.5 gallons in right seat (Sven den Boer)
13. 08:30 AM - Re: reserve fuel (Jeff B)
14. 09:13 AM - Re: reserve fuel (Raimo Toivio)
15. 09:58 AM - Speed kit bits (Richard Holder)
16. 10:18 AM - Re: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell (Thomas Scherer)
17. 10:47 AM - Heat exchanger (josok)
18. 10:59 AM - Re: DOTH of all DOTHs. From London to Melbourne. (David Joyce)
19. 10:59 AM - Re: reserve fuel (nigel charles)
20. 11:14 AM - Re: Europas with no hanger.... (Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com)
21. 11:40 AM - Trigear Trailer (Gavin Stewart)
22. 11:42 AM - Re: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell (Paul McAllister)
23. 12:02 PM - SK16 (Richard Holder)
24. 01:08 PM - 914 engine alignment (Fergus Kyle)
25. 02:45 PM - *****SPAM***** Re: Extra 10.5 gallons in right seat (Steve Crimm)
26. 02:58 PM - Re: Voltage Regulator Failure (Tim Ward)
27. 03:46 PM - Voltage Regulator Failure (Richard Holder)
28. 03:49 PM - Re: Europas with no hanger.... (Rman)
29. 03:59 PM - Re: Trigear Trailer (William Daniell)
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Subject: | Re: RE: Pre-heating a Rotax? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
It very similar to the kenlowe preheater i have been using on my Landrover
for the last fifteen years, Works a treat, Certainly improves battery drain
and starter motor wear!
http://www.kenlowe.com/pre-heaters/cars/index.html
Ivor Phillips
> While talking to the local Rotax dealer, he suggested a heat exchanger
> instead of a thermostat and a separate oil cooler. On the attached (click
> link for list users) picture is also an engine pre-heater visible. the
> ribbed hose is the steel protected electrical cable. He promised me
> dimensions and weight data. The exchanger in the picture is a
> pre-production sample, the installation is on a 912 on an Eurostar.
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Subject: | Re: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill Henderson" <europabill@bellsouth.net>
Paul,
I'm sure you've probably seen this web site on fuel injection for the 912,
but just in case.....
http://www.rotaxking.com/
Bill
A010
Classic Monowheel, Rotax 912S
(Sanding, filling, sanding, filling, sanding.....)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:18 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
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> Hi all,
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> I was wondering if anyone in the US would have a fixed pitch propeller
> that
> they would sell, or lend.... preferable sell.
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> I have sent my Airmaster back to NZ to have some work done and the typical
> door to door turn around time is 6 weeks. That's a long time to be without
> a
> "Europa drug fix"
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> Just as an aside, I am in the middle of negotiating for the purchase of a
> second hand 912. I intend to set this up on an engine stand and
> experiment
> with fuel injection. Assuming that I can make it work and I can convince
> myself that it will be reliable I will fit it up to my 914. Other than
> attaching a propeller to it I don't know how else I will be able to place
> a
> load on the engine. Anyhow, if the project ever gets off the ground I'll
> let the forum know.
>
> Cheers, Paul
>
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Subject: | Re: RE: Pre-heating a Rotax? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
Yes, I have decided to go for separate water-oil heat exchanger
with water thermostat and electric pre-heater.
System will be tested in the test-bench before final installation.
When stored in cold hangar, it can be always on.
The cockpit /panel will be also (pre)heated and that is good for
equipments. That is also what I have used to with cars.
Cheers, Raimo
----- Original Message -----
From: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 1:01 AM
Subject: Europa-List: RE: Pre-heating a Rotax?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
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> While talking to the local Rotax dealer, he suggested a heat exchanger instead
of a thermostat and a separate oil cooler. On the attached (click link for list
users) picture is also an engine pre-heater visible. the ribbed hose is the
steel protected electrical cable. He promised me dimensions and weight data.
The exchanger in the picture is a pre-production sample, the installation is
on a 912 on an Eurostar.
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> Regards,
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> Jos Okhuijsen
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> http://www.europaowners.org/viewtopic.php?p=9892#9892
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Subject: | Re: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Chris Beck <n9zes@verizon.net>
Hi, Paul!
Sounds like you're about to have some fun!
I'm highly interested in the fuel injection idea. If I could ditch the carbs on
the 912S when we get ours ready to fly, that would be superb.
To start with, I'd look to the motorcycle world for ideas. The Rotax is more similar
to a motorcycle engine than a car engine, and many new bikes are fuel injected
these days.
Are you looking to go port injected or throttle body?
It seems there should be available an aftermarket fuel injection setup somewhere
that could be modified to work on the Rotax. Then you'd have a nice O2 sensor
in the exhaust to automatically set mixtures.
Chris
From: Paul McAllister <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone in the US would have a fixed pitch propeller that
they would sell, or lend.... preferable sell.
I have sent my Airmaster back to NZ to have some work done and the typical
door to door turn around time is 6 weeks. That's a long time to be without a
"Europa drug fix"
Just as an aside, I am in the middle of negotiating for the purchase of a
second hand 912. I intend to set this up on an engine stand and experiment
with fuel injection. Assuming that I can make it work and I can convince
myself that it will be reliable I will fit it up to my 914. Other than
attaching a propeller to it I don't know how else I will be able to place a
load on the engine. Anyhow, if the project ever gets off the ground I'll
let the forum know.
Cheers, Paul
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
I am making placards and just a fast Q;
Europa XS fuel tank total capacity
is 70 litres including reserve. How
many litres is a reserve side, about?
Just wonder how many minutes it takes
to get an answer! Thank you!
Raimo M W Toivio
OH-XRT #417 1400 hrs so far, engine installation
OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk
OH-BLL Beechcraft C45 w radial engines (grounded)
37500 Lempaala
Finland
tel + 358 3 3753 777
fax + 358 3 3753 100
gsm + 358 40 590 1450
raimo.toivio@rwm.fi
www.rwm.fi
do not archive
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Subject: | Extra 10.5 gallons in right seat |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Removable fuel in right seat??:
http://www.turtlepac.com/sportdetails.htm
Ron Parigoris
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Raimo
Just so you have a quick answer I'd say approx 2 gallons which is just
over 9 litres but with the a/c in cruise level it may be slightly more.
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru3300
Robt.C.Harrison
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo
Toivio
Sent: 09 February 2006 14:21
Subject: Europa-List: reserve fuel
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
I am making placards and just a fast Q;
Europa XS fuel tank total capacity
is 70 litres including reserve. How
many litres is a reserve side, about?
Just wonder how many minutes it takes
to get an answer! Thank you!
Raimo M W Toivio
OH-XRT #417 1400 hrs so far, engine installation
OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk
OH-BLL Beechcraft C45 w radial engines (grounded)
37500 Lempaala
Finland
tel + 358 3 3753 777
fax + 358 3 3753 100
gsm + 358 40 590 1450
raimo.toivio@rwm.fi
www.rwm.fi
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: reserve fuel |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> I am making placards and just a fast Q; Europa XS fuel
> tank total capacity is 70 litres including reserve. How
> many litres is a reserve side, about? Just wonder how
> many minutes it takes to get an answer! Thank you!
You need to measure yours.
Mine is 9 litres on the reserve side if the aircraft is
not being thrown around in turbulence. Less if it is bumpy !
Richard
Was that quick enough ? :-)
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Subject: | Re: reserve fuel |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Stephan Cassel" <cassel@sensewave.com>
Hi Raimo,
About 10 liter if I remember correct.
But it may be much less, especially if you got a 912/912S with less return
fuel then 914 Turbulence may move fuel from reserve to main.
Remember that is one tank including "reserve".
Please land before your "main" is empty
Regards
Stephan
LN-STE #556
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
>
> I am making placards and just a fast Q;
> Europa XS fuel tank total capacity
> is 70 litres including reserve. How
> many litres is a reserve side, about?
> Just wonder how many minutes it takes
> to get an answer! Thank you!
>
> Raimo M W Toivio
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> OH-XRT #417 1400 hrs so far, engine installation
> OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk
> OH-BLL Beechcraft C45 w radial engines (grounded)
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> 37500 Lempaala
> Finland
> tel + 358 3 3753 777
> fax + 358 3 3753 100
> gsm + 358 40 590 1450
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> raimo.toivio@rwm.fi
> www.rwm.fi
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> do not archive
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Subject: | DOTH of all DOTHs. From London to Melbourne. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
Hi Europa owners,
In October 2009 its 75 years ago that the famous London Melbourne race was flown.
(Departure 20 October 1934) Scott and Campbell Black won with their red Comet
G-ACSS in 71 hours of flight. KLM Captain Parlmentier with First Officer Moll,
Mechanic Prins and Radio operator Van Brugge won the Handicap race with PH-AJU,
the famous DC-2 Uiver. This was the first Intercontinental flight with passengers!
I would like to fly the route from London to Melbourne with some experimental aircraft
(Europas !!) in 2009. Even today it would be a great challenge to make
it happen. If the operational problems would be solved, the route still follows
some very instable countrys. And the weather en-route will be challenging.
I made an initial planning of 17 flying days +/- 800 nms per day;
Segment nr./Route:
1. England: Londen, France: Reims, Dijon, Geneve, Italia: Turijn, Genua, Rome.
2. Rome, Napels, Brindisi, Griece: Kerkira, Prevesa, Araxos, Athene.
3. Athene, Andros, Tinos, Mikonos, Ikaria, Samos, Turkie: Bodrum, Marmaris, Antalya,
Mersin, Syria: Aleppo.
4. Aleppo, Abu Kemal, Irak: Ar Ramani, Bagdad, Shatra, Basra, Koewait: Koewait
Stad.
5. Koewait Stad, Wafra, Saudi Arabia: Ras Al Mishab, Ras Tanajib, Jubail, Dammam,
Dhahran, Bahrain: Bahrain, Qatar: Doha, United Arab Emirates: Jebel Dhana,
Al Dhafra, Abu Dhabi, Sharjah.
6. Sharjah, Ras Al Khaimah, Oman: Khasab, Iran: Dayrestan, Bandar Abbass, Jask,
Chah Bahar, Bir, Pakistan: Jiwani, Pasni, Karachi.
7. Karachi, India: Kota, Allahabad.
8. Allahabad, Calcutta.
9. Calcutta, Bangladesh: Chittagong, Myanmar (Birma): Rangoon, Thailand: Bangkok
10. Thailand: Bangkok, Hua Hin, Prachuap Khiri Khan, Chumpon, Surat Thani, Krabi,
Trang, Malaysia: Alor Setar, Butterworth, Ipoh, Kuala Lumpur, Malacca, Singapore:
Singapore.
11. Singapore, Indonesia (Sumatra): P.Kundur, P.Mendol, Palau Basu, Jambi, Palembang,
Bandar Lampung, Java: Jakarta.
12. Jakarta, Indramayu, Semarang, Surabaya, Bali: Denpasar.
13. Denpasar, Nusa Pendila Islnd., Lombok: Mataram, Sunda: Bima, Sumba: Waingapu,
Pulau Dawu, Palau Roti, Timor: Kupang.
14. Kupang, Australia: Bathurst Island, Darwin.
15. Darwin, Katherine, Delamare, Tennant Creek.
16. Tennant Creek, Charleville.
17. Charleville, Albury, Melbourne.
I made some premature calculations. I tried to follow the agent route as much as
possible. May be we have to look for a substitute for segment 4. The total
distance is 11374 nms over 23 countrys in 17 daylight periods with VFR conditions.
With a calculated cruise speed of 120 KIAS the total flight time is approximate
95 hours. The stretches are approximate 800 nms. The most challenging part
is the shortest stretch, 451 nms above the Sea of Timor from Kupang to Darwin..
But the miles above jungle may be very challenging as well. I am still studying
about the best time in the year, we have to pass the ITF (Inter Tropical
Front) at a geographical position and a time in the year that it is weak enough
for our limitations. Besides that an average tailwind will help a lot. When
safely in Melbourne our Europas can be shipped back to Europe in a sea container.
This is still a stupid Tim Weert-idea, but to make it possible I have only 3 preparation
years ahead. And the 451 nms above the Sea of Timor is also a very big
mental challenge for me personally. In those 3 years, a team might be formed
with a couple of Europa enthusiasts who have enough experience and share this
kind of dreams.
To reduce costs I am thinking to search for sponsoring by Airlines, Oil companies,
Container/transport companies, television companies and companies like Red
Bull who regularly sponsor spectacular events. And dont forget Rotax, Europa
and more known aircraft part suppliers. Long range fuel tanks and additional equipment
should be fitted! To make the risks acceptable the team needs additional
flight safety equipment for survival in the jungle, desert and sea after a
possible forced landing. And training with that equipment is a must as well.
May be the RAF or Dutch Air force might help. An home- Operations to supply operational
support with weather, notams, flightplans, solve problems with overfly
permits, visa problems, logistic problems etc. will be a requirement as well.
Please shoot at this idea, only after a tough brainstorm session it might be possible
or it might remain still a dream.
This might be the DOTH of all DOTHs!
Regards, Tim Weert.
#460 PH-JAI XS TG 914 AP332
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Subject: | Europas with no hanger.... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "TERRY SMITH" <skyguard33-register@yahoo.co.uk>
Dear All,
Thanks to everyone for the various replies - most helpful and I will respond 'off
forum' as appropriate and in due course.
A related question: How have folk tied down a Europa? I am looking at a machine
without tiedown points (as I understand it) and I gather from the experts that
fitting 'proper' bonded tiedown loops is a significant retro-mod. Even if you
are blessed with a cosy hanger I guess you sometimes have to leave it out when
visiting away?
Is the answer some form of webbing straps put over the wings etc etc???
Thanks,
Terry.
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Subject: | Re: Extra 10.5 gallons in right seat |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
Any sites selling an extra bladder for the pilot ?
Cheers
Sven
PH-SBR
----- Original Message -----
From: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 3:51 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Extra 10.5 gallons in right seat
> --> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
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> Removable fuel in right seat??:
> http://www.turtlepac.com/sportdetails.htm
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Subject: | Re: reserve fuel |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff B <topglock@cox.net>
Measured ours at 2.6 US Gallons, with fuselage leveled...
Rman - N55XS
140 hours
Raimo Toivio wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
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> I am making placards and just a fast Q;
> Europa XS fuel tank total capacity
> is 70 litres including reserve. How
> many litres is a reserve side, about?
> Just wonder how many minutes it takes
> to get an answer! Thank you!
>
> Raimo M W Toivio
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> OH-XRT #417 1400 hrs so far, engine installation
> OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk
> OH-BLL Beechcraft C45 w radial engines (grounded)
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> 37500 Lempaala
> Finland
> tel + 358 3 3753 777
> fax + 358 3 3753 100
> gsm + 358 40 590 1450
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> raimo.toivio@rwm.fi
> www.rwm.fi
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Subject: | Re: reserve fuel |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
Thanks for every one for nice, kind and fast answers.
So, if you manage to land using main tank only, you
have maybe in theory 45 minutes reserve time left
(Rotax minimum consumption about 12 litres/hour),
which is a demand of VFR rules...
Regards, Raimo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff B" <topglock@cox.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: reserve fuel
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff B <topglock@cox.net>
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> Measured ours at 2.6 US Gallons, with fuselage leveled...
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> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
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> > Just wonder how many minutes it takes
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> > OH-BLL Beechcraft C45 w radial engines (grounded)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
I was wondering if someone who has bought the Tri-gear
speed kit but who hasn't fitted it yet could do me a favour ?
My inside brackets for supporting the main-wheel spats
(SK18) have developed cracks (must be
the bumpy grass strip !) and as they are 12 + VAT plus
postage each I thought I would make new ones myself.
Would anyone be willing to scan a SK18 and send me the
result ? Putting a ruler on the scanner at the same time
would ensure that any distortions or reductions/increases
in size could be allowed for.
If anyone is willing to do this - please contact me direct
rholder@avnet.co.uk
and I will co-ordinate, asking just one person to do it !
Thanks in advance - this is a great resource !
Richard
PS no progress to report on the oil thermostat
installation. All ready for test flight #3 but the weather
isn't good enough (20 knot crosswind !)
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Subject: | Re: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Thomas Scherer" <thomas@scherer.com>
Allow me to warn about this guy, Jason, who claims "only the facts and no bs" and
offers a bolt-on fi (fuel injection) kit for the Rotax. He is a fake. Got his
hands on a few military-modified 912's and tries to re-engineer the setup.
He hardly answers eMails or phone calls and has nothing real to offer besides some
of those surplus engines. He actually DOES offer a lot of bs.
I would check the setup of Klaus Savier at www.lightspeedengineering.com and get ideas from there. His el ignition can be fitted to the 912 and the same sensor can then be used for the fi unit he is working on. Expensive but promissing.
Just a warning not to waste time on "Rotaxking".
be well,
<Thomas, N81EU>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Henderson" <europabill@bellsouth.net>
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell
> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 06:21:27 -0500
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> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill Henderson" <europabill@bellsouth.net>
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> Paul,
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> I'm sure you've probably seen this web site on fuel injection for the 912,
> but just in case.....
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> http://www.rotaxking.com/
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>
> Bill
> A010
> Classic Monowheel, Rotax 912S
> (Sanding, filling, sanding, filling, sanding.....)
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:18 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> > <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone in the US would have a fixed pitch propeller that
> > they would sell, or lend.... preferable sell.
> >
> > I have sent my Airmaster back to NZ to have some work done and the typical
> > door to door turn around time is 6 weeks. That's a long time to be without
a
> > "Europa drug fix"
> >
> > Just as an aside, I am in the middle of negotiating for the purchase of a
> > second hand 912. I intend to set this up on an engine stand and experiment
> > with fuel injection. Assuming that I can make it work and I can convince
> > myself that it will be reliable I will fit it up to my 914. Other than
> > attaching a propeller to it I don't know how else I will be able to place a
> > load on the engine. Anyhow, if the project ever gets off the ground I'll
> > let the forum know.
> >
> > Cheers, Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Got some more pictures today, decided to make a new subject, because this is not
really about pre-heating a rotax, although it makes it a lot easier and more
reliable. So to recap: This heat-exchanger will be mounted instead of the oil
radiator. Not in the same physical place. An oil thermostat is also superfluous
because the oil temperature will be closely coupled to the coolant temperature.
Since the water will warm faster then the oil, this helps to keep the whole
engine at a nice temperature. There will be a water thermostat as well. The
dimensions show up in the attached photos, weight is 826 grams. Price quoted
to me is 359 Euros without tax. For info contact info@aerotecno.fi, Pertti Lehtinen
I have no other commercial interest in this other then being a future customer.
While i write this,i feel already sorry for you PFA customers. I suppose that a
mod will be a long way away...
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
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This Email contains Photos or Attachments located at the following link:
http://www.europaowners.org/viewtopic.php?p=9912#9912
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Subject: | Re: DOTH of all DOTHs. From London to Melbourne. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Tim, What a great idea, although going via Baghdad does seem a bit
provocative! I am certainly potentially very interested, although having
been born not long after that race, age and/or maturity just might have
caught up with me by then. Presumably you will factor in plenty of
rest/weatherdelay days. Having tried to fly Kemble (UK) to Stockholm last
year in one day, (turning back in the middle of the last of three legs for
weather - cloud base threatening to join sea/ground fog) I appreciate that
that sort of daily mileage would be fairly tiring, quite apart from stresses
related to weather or strange local customs!
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 3:24 PM
Subject: Europa-List: DOTH of all DOTHs. From London to Melbourne.
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
>
>
> Hi Europa owners,
>
> In October 2009 its 75 years ago that the famous London Melbourne race was
flown. (Departure 20 October 1934) Scott and Campbell Black won with their
red Comet G-ACSS in 71 hours of flight. KLM Captain Parlmentier with First
Officer Moll, Mechanic Prins and Radio operator Van Brugge won the Handicap
race with PH-AJU, the famous DC-2 Uiver. This was the first Intercontinental
flight with passengers!
>
> I would like to fly the route from London to Melbourne with some
experimental aircraft (Europas !!) in 2009. Even today it would be a great
challenge to make it happen. If the operational problems would be solved,
the route still follows some very instable countrys. And the weather
en-route will be challenging. I made an initial planning of 17 flying days
+/- 800 nms per day;
>
> Segment nr./Route:
> 1. England: Londen, France: Reims, Dijon, Geneve, Italia: Turijn, Genua,
Rome.
> 2. Rome, Napels, Brindisi, Griece: Kerkira, Prevesa, Araxos, Athene.
> 3. Athene, Andros, Tinos, Mikonos, Ikaria, Samos, Turkie: Bodrum,
Marmaris, Antalya, Mersin, Syria: Aleppo.
> 4. Aleppo, Abu Kemal, Irak: Ar Ramani, Bagdad, Shatra, Basra, Koewait:
Koewait Stad.
> 5. Koewait Stad, Wafra, Saudi Arabia: Ras Al Mishab, Ras Tanajib, Jubail,
Dammam, Dhahran, Bahrain: Bahrain, Qatar: Doha, United Arab Emirates: Jebel
Dhana, Al Dhafra, Abu Dhabi, Sharjah.
> 6. Sharjah, Ras Al Khaimah, Oman: Khasab, Iran: Dayrestan, Bandar Abbass,
Jask, Chah Bahar, Bir, Pakistan: Jiwani, Pasni, Karachi.
> 7. Karachi, India: Kota, Allahabad.
> 8. Allahabad, Calcutta.
> 9. Calcutta, Bangladesh: Chittagong, Myanmar (Birma): Rangoon, Thailand:
Bangkok
> 10. Thailand: Bangkok, Hua Hin, Prachuap Khiri Khan, Chumpon, Surat Thani,
Krabi, Trang, Malaysia: Alor Setar, Butterworth, Ipoh, Kuala Lumpur,
Malacca, Singapore: Singapore.
> 11. Singapore, Indonesia (Sumatra): P.Kundur, P.Mendol, Palau Basu, Jambi,
Palembang, Bandar Lampung, Java: Jakarta.
> 12. Jakarta, Indramayu, Semarang, Surabaya, Bali: Denpasar.
> 13. Denpasar, Nusa Pendila Islnd., Lombok: Mataram, Sunda: Bima, Sumba:
Waingapu, Pulau Dawu, Palau Roti, Timor: Kupang.
> 14. Kupang, Australia: Bathurst Island, Darwin.
> 15. Darwin, Katherine, Delamare, Tennant Creek.
> 16. Tennant Creek, Charleville.
> 17. Charleville, Albury, Melbourne.
>
> I made some premature calculations. I tried to follow the agent route as
much as possible. May be we have to look for a substitute for segment 4.
The total distance is 11374 nms over 23 countrys in 17 daylight periods with
VFR conditions. With a calculated cruise speed of 120 KIAS the total flight
time is approximate 95 hours. The stretches are approximate 800 nms. The
most challenging part is the shortest stretch, 451 nms above the Sea of
Timor from Kupang to Darwin.. But the miles above jungle may be very
challenging as well. I am still studying about the best time in the year, we
have to pass the ITF (Inter Tropical Front) at a geographical position and a
time in the year that it is weak enough for our limitations. Besides that an
average tailwind will help a lot. When safely in Melbourne our Europas can
be shipped back to Europe in a sea container.
>
> This is still a stupid Tim Weert-idea, but to make it possible I have only
3 preparation years ahead. And the 451 nms above the Sea of Timor is also a
very big mental challenge for me personally. In those 3 years, a team might
be formed with a couple of Europa enthusiasts who have enough experience and
share this kind of dreams.
> To reduce costs I am thinking to search for sponsoring by Airlines, Oil
companies, Container/transport companies, television companies and companies
like Red Bull who regularly sponsor spectacular events. And dont forget
Rotax, Europa and more known aircraft part suppliers. Long range fuel tanks
and additional equipment should be fitted! To make the risks acceptable the
team needs additional flight safety equipment for survival in the jungle,
desert and sea after a possible forced landing. And training with that
equipment is a must as well. May be the RAF or Dutch Air force might help.
An home- Operations to supply operational support with weather, notams,
flightplans, solve problems with overfly permits, visa problems, logistic
problems etc. will be a requirement as well.
>
> Please shoot at this idea, only after a tough brainstorm session it might
be possible or it might remain still a dream.
> This might be the DOTH of all DOTHs!
>
> Regards, Tim Weert.
> #460 PH-JAI XS TG 914 AP332
> ----------------
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
There is a variation between individual tanks. Mine has 9 litres.
Nigel Charles
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo
Toivio
Sent: 09 February 2006 14:21
Subject: Europa-List: reserve fuel
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
I am making placards and just a fast Q;
Europa XS fuel tank total capacity
is 70 litres including reserve. How
many litres is a reserve side, about?
Just wonder how many minutes it takes
to get an answer! Thank you!
Raimo M W Toivio
OH-XRT #417 1400 hrs so far, engine installation
OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk
OH-BLL Beechcraft C45 w radial engines (grounded)
37500 Lempaala
Finland
tel + 358 3 3753 777
fax + 358 3 3753 100
gsm + 358 40 590 1450
raimo.toivio@rwm.fi
www.rwm.fi
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Subject: | Re: Europas with no hanger.... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com
Terry,
Back in the archives somewhere there are details on tie down plates that
attach to the outrigger plates using the 3 bolts.
Seems like an OK solution for casual tie downs, but I'm not sure what the
factory view on this method would be.
Dave A061
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"TERRY SMITH" <skyguard33-register@yahoo.co.uk>
Sent by: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
02/09/2006 10:59 AM
Please respond to europa-list
To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
cc:
Subject: Europa-List: Europas with no hanger....
--> Europa-List message posted by: "TERRY SMITH"
<skyguard33-register@yahoo.co.uk>
Dear All,
Thanks to everyone for the various replies - most helpful and I will
respond 'off forum' as appropriate and in due course.
A related question: How have folk tied down a Europa? I am looking at a
machine without tiedown points (as I understand it) and I gather from the
experts that fitting 'proper' bonded tiedown loops is a significant
retro-mod. Even if you are blessed with a cosy hanger I guess you
sometimes have to leave it out when visiting away?
Is the answer some form of webbing straps put over the wings etc etc???
Thanks,
Terry.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Gavin Stewart" <Gavin@gavstew.flyer.co.uk>
Dear All,
Does anyone in UK have a Trigear Trailer I can borrow or hire a short while to
transport my Europa (Classic 912) from Ipswich to Shobdon?
Failure to start has been blamed on a u/s starter which appears ro require removal
of the engine.
Does anyone think different?
Thanks for any response,
Regards,
Gavin Stewart
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Subject: | Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Thomas,
Yes I have corresponded with "Rotax King" and I couldn't had said it better
myself!!
As far as my endeavor goes, I still have to finalize the deal on the 912.
Its really more of a project since I don't have an airplane to build anymore
and quite frankly I won't be in a hurry to finish..... otherwise I will have
to fine another project :o)
Paul
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Thomas
Scherer
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Thomas Scherer" <thomas@scherer.com>
Allow me to warn about this guy, Jason, who claims "only the facts and no
bs" and offers a bolt-on fi (fuel injection) kit for the Rotax. He is a
fake. Got his hands on a few military-modified 912's and tries to
re-engineer the setup.
He hardly answers eMails or phone calls and has nothing real to offer
besides some of those surplus engines. He actually DOES offer a lot of bs.
I would check the setup of Klaus Savier at www.lightspeedengineering.com and
get ideas from there. His el ignition can be fitted to the 912 and the same
sensor can then be used for the fi unit he is working on. Expensive but
promissing.
Just a warning not to waste time on "Rotaxking".
be well,
<Thomas, N81EU>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Henderson" <europabill@bellsouth.net>
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell
> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 06:21:27 -0500
>
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill Henderson"
<europabill@bellsouth.net>
>
> Paul,
>
> I'm sure you've probably seen this web site on fuel injection for the 912,
> but just in case.....
>
> http://www.rotaxking.com/
>
>
> Bill
> A010
> Classic Monowheel, Rotax 912S
> (Sanding, filling, sanding, filling, sanding.....)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:18 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell
>
>
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> > <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone in the US would have a fixed pitch propeller
that
> > they would sell, or lend.... preferable sell.
> >
> > I have sent my Airmaster back to NZ to have some work done and the
typical
> > door to door turn around time is 6 weeks. That's a long time to be
without a
> > "Europa drug fix"
> >
> > Just as an aside, I am in the middle of negotiating for the purchase of
a
> > second hand 912. I intend to set this up on an engine stand and
experiment
> > with fuel injection. Assuming that I can make it work and I can
convince
> > myself that it will be reliable I will fit it up to my 914. Other than
> > attaching a propeller to it I don't know how else I will be able to
place a
> > load on the engine. Anyhow, if the project ever gets off the ground
I'll
> > let the forum know.
> >
> > Cheers, Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Well done the list !
Within a few minutes of my post I had a .jpeg of this
component and I have already marked out my cut lines. When
I printed the .jpeg it came out exactly to scale - i was
expecting to have to b*gg*r about with it to get the right
size !
Thanks Ivor
And thanks to anyone else who might have responded - I
have it now :-)
Richard
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Subject: | 914 engine alignment |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Cheers,
I am only in earliest stages of 914 installation, but note that
the Lord rubber mounts must be fully compressed (all 4) to an overall length
(outer surfaces of metal cups) of 1-15/16" or give/take 49mm, in order to
properly measure the engine offset correctly.
Of course you have probably already realised this, so this
announcement is solely for the use of those in my mental state, or lower.
Also, class, the M10x110 engine bolts, having the exciting BINX nuts (not a
welcome condition) have to lose about 9/16 to 5/8 inches to describe at
least 2 extra threads outside the nuts, but try one and see.
Caviat tutor,
Ferg
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Subject: | Extra 10.5 gallons in right seat |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
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Subject: RE: Europa-List: Extra 10.5 gallons in right seat
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Disposition-Notification-To: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
Did you check out the "Mermaid" at the bottom of this page? BTW nice ferry
tanks.
http://www.turtlepac.com/aircraftferry.htm
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 09:51
Subject: Europa-List: Extra 10.5 gallons in right seat
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Removable fuel in right seat??:
http://www.turtlepac.com/sportdetails.htm
Ron Parigoris
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Subject: | Re: Voltage Regulator Failure |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
Hi Europaeans,
Fixed the Regulator/Rectifier problem.
Had the unit checked out by a Rotax agent here and all was OK. So back to
tracking it down with the voltmeter. Before re-installing the DIN plug to
the Regulator/Rectifier I cleaned the terminals and checked the crimping. I
then made sure the connections were good and plug FULLY installed. I noticed
then the plug had gone in a lot further from when I took it out. Ah Ha. So
started up the engine and hey presto!! it was charging the battery.
Conclusion; Vibrations, I think, must have caused the plug to slip down,
despite the plastic holding brackets and caused a stator terminal to not
connect sufficiently well.The plastic brackets certainly do not hold it
securely in place.
So many thanks for your help.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8005
New Zealand.
Ph +64 3 3515166
Mobile 021 0640221
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
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Subject: | Voltage Regulator Failure |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Tim
> Hi Europaeans, Fixed the Regulator/Rectifier problem.
> Had the unit checked out by a Rotax agent here and all
> was OK. So back to tracking it down with the voltmeter.
> Before re-installing the DIN plug to the
> Regulator/Rectifier I cleaned the terminals and checked
> the crimping. I then made sure the connections were
> good and plug FULLY installed. I noticed then the plug
> had gone in a lot further from when I took it out. Ah
> Ha. So started up the engine and hey presto!! it was
> charging the battery. Conclusion; Vibrations, I think,
> must have caused the plug to slip down, despite the
> plastic holding brackets and caused a stator terminal
> to not connect sufficiently well.The plastic brackets
> certainly do not hold it securely in place.
I wish I could be so optimistic. Mine went on and off
several times, Normally at the flare stage of the flight,
and then worked perfectly the next time I tried it.
I tried various cabling fixes and each time it was OK and
then it wasn't OK.
I changed the regulator and that one was faulty in another
way (since returned).
I opened up my original regulator and re-soldered three
possible dry joints. Worked so far but no real test as the
wx has been bad (and I am fiddling with the oil thermostat).
As I said to someone, if the external wiring is OK and the
regulator is at fault then it can either be a dry joint
(which will normally mean it fails intermittently) or a
component failure, which means it fails and stays failed.
The black plug goes in so that the retaining clips just
pass their notches. It is possible that the faston connectors
weren't all the way into the black connector. They have
small tangs on them to keep them in place - if you used
the ones that came with the regulator - fine; if you used
others then the chances are that they didn't have tangs
and the connector could have been pushed out (or rather
not pushed in enough)
This is why I asked whether your regulator failure was
intermittent or permanent.
Anyway I hope that your problem is fixed. The engine will
run for a long time with no charge !
Maybe we should all carry a spare at all times :-(
Best wishes
Richard
G-OWWW High Cross
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Subject: | Re: Europas with no hanger.... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rman <topglock@cox.net>
Terry,
Go to http://www.n55xs.com and check my June 26/27, 2004 entry for the
tail tiedown and September 30, 2004 entry for the wing tiedowns. These
have be perfectly suitable for tieing down the aircraft in winds up to
35 knots...
Jeff - N55XS
140 hours
TERRY SMITH wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "TERRY SMITH" <skyguard33-register@yahoo.co.uk>
>
>Dear All,
>
>Thanks to everyone for the various replies - most helpful and I will respond 'off
forum' as appropriate and in due course.
>
>A related question: How have folk tied down a Europa? I am looking at a machine
without tiedown points (as I understand it) and I gather from the experts that
fitting 'proper' bonded tiedown loops is a significant retro-mod. Even if you
are blessed with a cosy hanger I guess you sometimes have to leave it out when
visiting away?
>
>Is the answer some form of webbing straps put over the wings etc etc???
>
>Thanks,
>
>Terry.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
Does anyone have plans for a trigear trailer that they could let me have
Will
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gavin Stewart
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 14:51
Subject: Europa-List: Trigear Trailer
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Gavin Stewart"
<Gavin@gavstew.flyer.co.uk>
Dear All,
Does anyone in UK have a Trigear Trailer I can borrow or hire a short while
to transport my Europa (Classic 912) from Ipswich to Shobdon?
Failure to start has been blamed on a u/s starter which appears ro require
removal of the engine.
Does anyone think different?
Thanks for any response,
Regards,
Gavin Stewart
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