Europa-List Digest Archive

Thu 02/09/06


Total Messages Posted: 29



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     1. 03:01 AM - Re: Re: Pre-heating a Rotax? (ivor.phillips)
     2. 03:20 AM - Re: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell (Bill Henderson)
     3. 03:39 AM - Re: Re: Pre-heating a Rotax? (Raimo Toivio)
     4. 05:38 AM - Re: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell (Chris Beck)
     5. 06:18 AM - reserve fuel (Raimo Toivio)
     6. 06:54 AM - Extra 10.5 gallons in right seat ()
     7. 06:54 AM - Re: reserve fuel (R.C.Harrison)
     8. 07:18 AM - Re: reserve fuel (Richard Holder)
     9. 07:24 AM - Re: reserve fuel (Stephan Cassel)
    10. 07:24 AM - DOTH of all DOTHs. From London to Melbourne. (Tim Weert)
    11. 07:59 AM - Europas with no hanger.... (TERRY SMITH)
    12. 07:59 AM - Re: Extra 10.5 gallons in right seat (Sven den Boer)
    13. 08:30 AM - Re: reserve fuel (Jeff B)
    14. 09:13 AM - Re: reserve fuel (Raimo Toivio)
    15. 09:58 AM - Speed kit bits (Richard Holder)
    16. 10:18 AM - Re: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell (Thomas Scherer)
    17. 10:47 AM - Heat exchanger (josok)
    18. 10:59 AM - Re: DOTH of all DOTHs. From London to Melbourne. (David Joyce)
    19. 10:59 AM - Re: reserve fuel (nigel charles)
    20. 11:14 AM - Re: Europas with no hanger.... (Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com)
    21. 11:40 AM - Trigear Trailer (Gavin Stewart)
    22. 11:42 AM - Re: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell (Paul McAllister)
    23. 12:02 PM - SK16 (Richard Holder)
    24. 01:08 PM - 914 engine alignment (Fergus Kyle)
    25. 02:45 PM - *****SPAM***** Re: Extra 10.5 gallons in right seat (Steve Crimm)
    26. 02:58 PM - Re: Voltage Regulator Failure (Tim Ward)
    27. 03:46 PM - Voltage Regulator Failure (Richard Holder)
    28. 03:49 PM - Re: Europas with no hanger.... (Rman)
    29. 03:59 PM - Re: Trigear Trailer (William Daniell)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:01:47 AM PST US
    From: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: Re: RE: Pre-heating a Rotax?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "ivor.phillips" <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com> It very similar to the kenlowe preheater i have been using on my Landrover for the last fifteen years, Works a treat, Certainly improves battery drain and starter motor wear! http://www.kenlowe.com/pre-heaters/cars/index.html Ivor Phillips > While talking to the local Rotax dealer, he suggested a heat exchanger > instead of a thermostat and a separate oil cooler. On the attached (click > link for list users) picture is also an engine pre-heater visible. the > ribbed hose is the steel protected electrical cable. He promised me > dimensions and weight data. The exchanger in the picture is a > pre-production sample, the installation is on a 912 on an Eurostar.


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    Time: 03:20:24 AM PST US
    From: "Bill Henderson" <europabill@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill Henderson" <europabill@bellsouth.net> Paul, I'm sure you've probably seen this web site on fuel injection for the 912, but just in case..... http://www.rotaxking.com/ Bill A010 Classic Monowheel, Rotax 912S (Sanding, filling, sanding, filling, sanding.....) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:18 PM Subject: Europa-List: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" > <paul.mcallister@qia.net> > > Hi all, > > I was wondering if anyone in the US would have a fixed pitch propeller > that > they would sell, or lend.... preferable sell. > > I have sent my Airmaster back to NZ to have some work done and the typical > door to door turn around time is 6 weeks. That's a long time to be without > a > "Europa drug fix" > > Just as an aside, I am in the middle of negotiating for the purchase of a > second hand 912. I intend to set this up on an engine stand and > experiment > with fuel injection. Assuming that I can make it work and I can convince > myself that it will be reliable I will fit it up to my 914. Other than > attaching a propeller to it I don't know how else I will be able to place > a > load on the engine. Anyhow, if the project ever gets off the ground I'll > let the forum know. > > Cheers, Paul > > >


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    Time: 03:39:21 AM PST US
    From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
    Subject: Re: RE: Pre-heating a Rotax?
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> Yes, I have decided to go for separate water-oil heat exchanger with water thermostat and electric pre-heater. System will be tested in the test-bench before final installation. When stored in cold hangar, it can be always on. The cockpit /panel will be also (pre)heated and that is good for equipments. That is also what I have used to with cars. Cheers, Raimo ----- Original Message ----- From: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 1:01 AM Subject: Europa-List: RE: Pre-heating a Rotax? > --> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi> > > While talking to the local Rotax dealer, he suggested a heat exchanger instead of a thermostat and a separate oil cooler. On the attached (click link for list users) picture is also an engine pre-heater visible. the ribbed hose is the steel protected electrical cable. He promised me dimensions and weight data. The exchanger in the picture is a pre-production sample, the installation is on a 912 on an Eurostar. > > Regards, > > Jos Okhuijsen > > ---------------- > This Email contains Photos or Attachments located at the following link: > http://www.europaowners.org/viewtopic.php?p=9892#9892 > > ---------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 05:38:38 AM PST US
    From: Chris Beck <n9zes@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Chris Beck <n9zes@verizon.net> Hi, Paul! Sounds like you're about to have some fun! I'm highly interested in the fuel injection idea. If I could ditch the carbs on the 912S when we get ours ready to fly, that would be superb. To start with, I'd look to the motorcycle world for ideas. The Rotax is more similar to a motorcycle engine than a car engine, and many new bikes are fuel injected these days. Are you looking to go port injected or throttle body? It seems there should be available an aftermarket fuel injection setup somewhere that could be modified to work on the Rotax. Then you'd have a nice O2 sensor in the exhaust to automatically set mixtures. Chris From: Paul McAllister <paul.mcallister@qia.net> Subject: Europa-List: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net> Hi all, I was wondering if anyone in the US would have a fixed pitch propeller that they would sell, or lend.... preferable sell. I have sent my Airmaster back to NZ to have some work done and the typical door to door turn around time is 6 weeks. That's a long time to be without a "Europa drug fix" Just as an aside, I am in the middle of negotiating for the purchase of a second hand 912. I intend to set this up on an engine stand and experiment with fuel injection. Assuming that I can make it work and I can convince myself that it will be reliable I will fit it up to my 914. Other than attaching a propeller to it I don't know how else I will be able to place a load on the engine. Anyhow, if the project ever gets off the ground I'll let the forum know. Cheers, Paul


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    Time: 06:18:35 AM PST US
    From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
    Subject: reserve fuel
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> I am making placards and just a fast Q; Europa XS fuel tank total capacity is 70 litres including reserve. How many litres is a reserve side, about? Just wonder how many minutes it takes to get an answer! Thank you! Raimo M W Toivio OH-XRT #417 1400 hrs so far, engine installation OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk OH-BLL Beechcraft C45 w radial engines (grounded) 37500 Lempaala Finland tel + 358 3 3753 777 fax + 358 3 3753 100 gsm + 358 40 590 1450 raimo.toivio@rwm.fi www.rwm.fi do not archive


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    Time: 06:54:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Extra 10.5 gallons in right seat
    From: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> Removable fuel in right seat??: http://www.turtlepac.com/sportdetails.htm Ron Parigoris


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    Time: 06:54:13 AM PST US
    From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: reserve fuel
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> Hi! Raimo Just so you have a quick answer I'd say approx 2 gallons which is just over 9 litres but with the a/c in cruise level it may be slightly more. Regards Bob H G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru3300 Robt.C.Harrison -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio Sent: 09 February 2006 14:21 Subject: Europa-List: reserve fuel --> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> I am making placards and just a fast Q; Europa XS fuel tank total capacity is 70 litres including reserve. How many litres is a reserve side, about? Just wonder how many minutes it takes to get an answer! Thank you! Raimo M W Toivio OH-XRT #417 1400 hrs so far, engine installation OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk OH-BLL Beechcraft C45 w radial engines (grounded) 37500 Lempaala Finland tel + 358 3 3753 777 fax + 358 3 3753 100 gsm + 358 40 590 1450 raimo.toivio@rwm.fi www.rwm.fi do not archive


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    Time: 07:18:50 AM PST US
    From: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: reserve fuel
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk> > I am making placards and just a fast Q; Europa XS fuel > tank total capacity is 70 litres including reserve. How > many litres is a reserve side, about? Just wonder how > many minutes it takes to get an answer! Thank you! You need to measure yours. Mine is 9 litres on the reserve side if the aircraft is not being thrown around in turbulence. Less if it is bumpy ! Richard Was that quick enough ? :-)


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    Time: 07:24:25 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: reserve fuel
    From: "Stephan Cassel" <cassel@sensewave.com>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Stephan Cassel" <cassel@sensewave.com> Hi Raimo, About 10 liter if I remember correct. But it may be much less, especially if you got a 912/912S with less return fuel then 914 Turbulence may move fuel from reserve to main. Remember that is one tank including "reserve". Please land before your "main" is empty Regards Stephan LN-STE #556 > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> > > I am making placards and just a fast Q; > Europa XS fuel tank total capacity > is 70 litres including reserve. How > many litres is a reserve side, about? > Just wonder how many minutes it takes > to get an answer! Thank you! > > Raimo M W Toivio > > OH-XRT #417 1400 hrs so far, engine installation > OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk > OH-BLL Beechcraft C45 w radial engines (grounded) > > 37500 Lempaala > Finland > tel + 358 3 3753 777 > fax + 358 3 3753 100 > gsm + 358 40 590 1450 > > raimo.toivio@rwm.fi > www.rwm.fi > > do not archive > >


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    Time: 07:24:39 AM PST US
    Subject: DOTH of all DOTHs. From London to Melbourne.
    From: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl> Hi Europa owners, In October 2009 its 75 years ago that the famous London Melbourne race was flown. (Departure 20 October 1934) Scott and Campbell Black won with their red Comet G-ACSS in 71 hours of flight. KLM Captain Parlmentier with First Officer Moll, Mechanic Prins and Radio operator Van Brugge won the Handicap race with PH-AJU, the famous DC-2 Uiver. This was the first Intercontinental flight with passengers! I would like to fly the route from London to Melbourne with some experimental aircraft (Europas !!) in 2009. Even today it would be a great challenge to make it happen. If the operational problems would be solved, the route still follows some very instable countrys. And the weather en-route will be challenging. I made an initial planning of 17 flying days +/- 800 nms per day; Segment nr./Route: 1. England: Londen, France: Reims, Dijon, Geneve, Italia: Turijn, Genua, Rome. 2. Rome, Napels, Brindisi, Griece: Kerkira, Prevesa, Araxos, Athene. 3. Athene, Andros, Tinos, Mikonos, Ikaria, Samos, Turkie: Bodrum, Marmaris, Antalya, Mersin, Syria: Aleppo. 4. Aleppo, Abu Kemal, Irak: Ar Ramani, Bagdad, Shatra, Basra, Koewait: Koewait Stad. 5. Koewait Stad, Wafra, Saudi Arabia: Ras Al Mishab, Ras Tanajib, Jubail, Dammam, Dhahran, Bahrain: Bahrain, Qatar: Doha, United Arab Emirates: Jebel Dhana, Al Dhafra, Abu Dhabi, Sharjah. 6. Sharjah, Ras Al Khaimah, Oman: Khasab, Iran: Dayrestan, Bandar Abbass, Jask, Chah Bahar, Bir, Pakistan: Jiwani, Pasni, Karachi. 7. Karachi, India: Kota, Allahabad. 8. Allahabad, Calcutta. 9. Calcutta, Bangladesh: Chittagong, Myanmar (Birma): Rangoon, Thailand: Bangkok 10. Thailand: Bangkok, Hua Hin, Prachuap Khiri Khan, Chumpon, Surat Thani, Krabi, Trang, Malaysia: Alor Setar, Butterworth, Ipoh, Kuala Lumpur, Malacca, Singapore: Singapore. 11. Singapore, Indonesia (Sumatra): P.Kundur, P.Mendol, Palau Basu, Jambi, Palembang, Bandar Lampung, Java: Jakarta. 12. Jakarta, Indramayu, Semarang, Surabaya, Bali: Denpasar. 13. Denpasar, Nusa Pendila Islnd., Lombok: Mataram, Sunda: Bima, Sumba: Waingapu, Pulau Dawu, Palau Roti, Timor: Kupang. 14. Kupang, Australia: Bathurst Island, Darwin. 15. Darwin, Katherine, Delamare, Tennant Creek. 16. Tennant Creek, Charleville. 17. Charleville, Albury, Melbourne. I made some premature calculations. I tried to follow the agent route as much as possible. May be we have to look for a substitute for segment 4. The total distance is 11374 nms over 23 countrys in 17 daylight periods with VFR conditions. With a calculated cruise speed of 120 KIAS the total flight time is approximate 95 hours. The stretches are approximate 800 nms. The most challenging part is the shortest stretch, 451 nms above the Sea of Timor from Kupang to Darwin.. But the miles above jungle may be very challenging as well. I am still studying about the best time in the year, we have to pass the ITF (Inter Tropical Front) at a geographical position and a time in the year that it is weak enough for our limitations. Besides that an average tailwind will help a lot. When safely in Melbourne our Europas can be shipped back to Europe in a sea container. This is still a stupid Tim Weert-idea, but to make it possible I have only 3 preparation years ahead. And the 451 nms above the Sea of Timor is also a very big mental challenge for me personally. In those 3 years, a team might be formed with a couple of Europa enthusiasts who have enough experience and share this kind of dreams. To reduce costs I am thinking to search for sponsoring by Airlines, Oil companies, Container/transport companies, television companies and companies like Red Bull who regularly sponsor spectacular events. And dont forget Rotax, Europa and more known aircraft part suppliers. Long range fuel tanks and additional equipment should be fitted! To make the risks acceptable the team needs additional flight safety equipment for survival in the jungle, desert and sea after a possible forced landing. And training with that equipment is a must as well. May be the RAF or Dutch Air force might help. An home- Operations to supply operational support with weather, notams, flightplans, solve problems with overfly permits, visa problems, logistic problems etc. will be a requirement as well. Please shoot at this idea, only after a tough brainstorm session it might be possible or it might remain still a dream. This might be the DOTH of all DOTHs! Regards, Tim Weert. #460 PH-JAI XS TG 914 AP332 ----------------


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    Time: 07:59:13 AM PST US
    From: "TERRY SMITH" <skyguard33-register@yahoo.co.uk>
    Subject: Europas with no hanger....
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "TERRY SMITH" <skyguard33-register@yahoo.co.uk> Dear All, Thanks to everyone for the various replies - most helpful and I will respond 'off forum' as appropriate and in due course. A related question: How have folk tied down a Europa? I am looking at a machine without tiedown points (as I understand it) and I gather from the experts that fitting 'proper' bonded tiedown loops is a significant retro-mod. Even if you are blessed with a cosy hanger I guess you sometimes have to leave it out when visiting away? Is the answer some form of webbing straps put over the wings etc etc??? Thanks, Terry.


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    Time: 07:59:45 AM PST US
    From: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl>
    Subject: Re: Extra 10.5 gallons in right seat
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sven den Boer" <svendenboer@quicknet.nl> Any sites selling an extra bladder for the pilot ? Cheers Sven PH-SBR ----- Original Message ----- From: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 3:51 PM Subject: Europa-List: Extra 10.5 gallons in right seat > --> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> > > Removable fuel in right seat??: > http://www.turtlepac.com/sportdetails.htm > > Ron Parigoris > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:30:34 AM PST US
    From: Jeff B <topglock@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: reserve fuel
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff B <topglock@cox.net> Measured ours at 2.6 US Gallons, with fuselage leveled... Rman - N55XS 140 hours Raimo Toivio wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> > > I am making placards and just a fast Q; > Europa XS fuel tank total capacity > is 70 litres including reserve. How > many litres is a reserve side, about? > Just wonder how many minutes it takes > to get an answer! Thank you! > > Raimo M W Toivio > > OH-XRT #417 1400 hrs so far, engine installation > OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk > OH-BLL Beechcraft C45 w radial engines (grounded) > > 37500 Lempaala > Finland > tel + 358 3 3753 777 > fax + 358 3 3753 100 > gsm + 358 40 590 1450 > > raimo.toivio@rwm.fi > www.rwm.fi > > do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --


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    Time: 09:13:22 AM PST US
    From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
    Subject: Re: reserve fuel
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> Thanks for every one for nice, kind and fast answers. So, if you manage to land using main tank only, you have maybe in theory 45 minutes reserve time left (Rotax minimum consumption about 12 litres/hour), which is a demand of VFR rules... Regards, Raimo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff B" <topglock@cox.net> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 6:30 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: reserve fuel > --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff B <topglock@cox.net> > > Measured ours at 2.6 US Gallons, with fuselage leveled... > > Rman - N55XS > 140 hours > > Raimo Toivio wrote: > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> > > > > I am making placards and just a fast Q; > > Europa XS fuel tank total capacity > > is 70 litres including reserve. How > > many litres is a reserve side, about? > > Just wonder how many minutes it takes > > to get an answer! Thank you! > > > > Raimo M W Toivio > > > > OH-XRT #417 1400 hrs so far, engine installation > > OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk > > OH-BLL Beechcraft C45 w radial engines (grounded) > > > > 37500 Lempaala > > Finland > > tel + 358 3 3753 777 > > fax + 358 3 3753 100 > > gsm + 358 40 590 1450 > > > > raimo.toivio@rwm.fi > > www.rwm.fi > > > > do not archive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 09:58:29 AM PST US
    From: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
    Subject: Speed kit bits
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk> I was wondering if someone who has bought the Tri-gear speed kit but who hasn't fitted it yet could do me a favour ? My inside brackets for supporting the main-wheel spats (SK18) have developed cracks (must be the bumpy grass strip !) and as they are 12 + VAT plus postage each I thought I would make new ones myself. Would anyone be willing to scan a SK18 and send me the result ? Putting a ruler on the scanner at the same time would ensure that any distortions or reductions/increases in size could be allowed for. If anyone is willing to do this - please contact me direct rholder@avnet.co.uk and I will co-ordinate, asking just one person to do it ! Thanks in advance - this is a great resource ! Richard PS no progress to report on the oil thermostat installation. All ready for test flight #3 but the weather isn't good enough (20 knot crosswind !)


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    Time: 10:18:28 AM PST US
    From: "Thomas Scherer" <thomas@scherer.com>
    Subject: Re: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Thomas Scherer" <thomas@scherer.com> Allow me to warn about this guy, Jason, who claims "only the facts and no bs" and offers a bolt-on fi (fuel injection) kit for the Rotax. He is a fake. Got his hands on a few military-modified 912's and tries to re-engineer the setup. He hardly answers eMails or phone calls and has nothing real to offer besides some of those surplus engines. He actually DOES offer a lot of bs. I would check the setup of Klaus Savier at www.lightspeedengineering.com and get ideas from there. His el ignition can be fitted to the 912 and the same sensor can then be used for the fi unit he is working on. Expensive but promissing. Just a warning not to waste time on "Rotaxking". be well, <Thomas, N81EU> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Henderson" <europabill@bellsouth.net> > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell > Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 06:21:27 -0500 > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill Henderson" <europabill@bellsouth.net> > > Paul, > > I'm sure you've probably seen this web site on fuel injection for the 912, > but just in case..... > > http://www.rotaxking.com/ > > > Bill > A010 > Classic Monowheel, Rotax 912S > (Sanding, filling, sanding, filling, sanding.....) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:18 PM > Subject: Europa-List: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" > > <paul.mcallister@qia.net> > > > > Hi all, > > > > I was wondering if anyone in the US would have a fixed pitch propeller that > > they would sell, or lend.... preferable sell. > > > > I have sent my Airmaster back to NZ to have some work done and the typical > > door to door turn around time is 6 weeks. That's a long time to be without a > > "Europa drug fix" > > > > Just as an aside, I am in the middle of negotiating for the purchase of a > > second hand 912. I intend to set this up on an engine stand and experiment > > with fuel injection. Assuming that I can make it work and I can convince > > myself that it will be reliable I will fit it up to my 914. Other than > > attaching a propeller to it I don't know how else I will be able to place a > > load on the engine. Anyhow, if the project ever gets off the ground I'll > > let the forum know. > > > > Cheers, Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 10:47:47 AM PST US
    Subject: Heat exchanger
    From: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi> Got some more pictures today, decided to make a new subject, because this is not really about pre-heating a rotax, although it makes it a lot easier and more reliable. So to recap: This heat-exchanger will be mounted instead of the oil radiator. Not in the same physical place. An oil thermostat is also superfluous because the oil temperature will be closely coupled to the coolant temperature. Since the water will warm faster then the oil, this helps to keep the whole engine at a nice temperature. There will be a water thermostat as well. The dimensions show up in the attached photos, weight is 826 grams. Price quoted to me is 359 Euros without tax. For info contact info@aerotecno.fi, Pertti Lehtinen I have no other commercial interest in this other then being a future customer. While i write this,i feel already sorry for you PFA customers. I suppose that a mod will be a long way away... Regards, Jos Okhuijsen ---------------- This Email contains Photos or Attachments located at the following link: http://www.europaowners.org/viewtopic.php?p=9912#9912 ----------------


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    Time: 10:59:37 AM PST US
    From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
    Subject: Re: DOTH of all DOTHs. From London to Melbourne.
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> Tim, What a great idea, although going via Baghdad does seem a bit provocative! I am certainly potentially very interested, although having been born not long after that race, age and/or maturity just might have caught up with me by then. Presumably you will factor in plenty of rest/weatherdelay days. Having tried to fly Kemble (UK) to Stockholm last year in one day, (turning back in the middle of the last of three legs for weather - cloud base threatening to join sea/ground fog) I appreciate that that sort of daily mileage would be fairly tiring, quite apart from stresses related to weather or strange local customs! Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 3:24 PM Subject: Europa-List: DOTH of all DOTHs. From London to Melbourne. > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl> > > > Hi Europa owners, > > In October 2009 its 75 years ago that the famous London Melbourne race was flown. (Departure 20 October 1934) Scott and Campbell Black won with their red Comet G-ACSS in 71 hours of flight. KLM Captain Parlmentier with First Officer Moll, Mechanic Prins and Radio operator Van Brugge won the Handicap race with PH-AJU, the famous DC-2 Uiver. This was the first Intercontinental flight with passengers! > > I would like to fly the route from London to Melbourne with some experimental aircraft (Europas !!) in 2009. Even today it would be a great challenge to make it happen. If the operational problems would be solved, the route still follows some very instable countrys. And the weather en-route will be challenging. I made an initial planning of 17 flying days +/- 800 nms per day; > > Segment nr./Route: > 1. England: Londen, France: Reims, Dijon, Geneve, Italia: Turijn, Genua, Rome. > 2. Rome, Napels, Brindisi, Griece: Kerkira, Prevesa, Araxos, Athene. > 3. Athene, Andros, Tinos, Mikonos, Ikaria, Samos, Turkie: Bodrum, Marmaris, Antalya, Mersin, Syria: Aleppo. > 4. Aleppo, Abu Kemal, Irak: Ar Ramani, Bagdad, Shatra, Basra, Koewait: Koewait Stad. > 5. Koewait Stad, Wafra, Saudi Arabia: Ras Al Mishab, Ras Tanajib, Jubail, Dammam, Dhahran, Bahrain: Bahrain, Qatar: Doha, United Arab Emirates: Jebel Dhana, Al Dhafra, Abu Dhabi, Sharjah. > 6. Sharjah, Ras Al Khaimah, Oman: Khasab, Iran: Dayrestan, Bandar Abbass, Jask, Chah Bahar, Bir, Pakistan: Jiwani, Pasni, Karachi. > 7. Karachi, India: Kota, Allahabad. > 8. Allahabad, Calcutta. > 9. Calcutta, Bangladesh: Chittagong, Myanmar (Birma): Rangoon, Thailand: Bangkok > 10. Thailand: Bangkok, Hua Hin, Prachuap Khiri Khan, Chumpon, Surat Thani, Krabi, Trang, Malaysia: Alor Setar, Butterworth, Ipoh, Kuala Lumpur, Malacca, Singapore: Singapore. > 11. Singapore, Indonesia (Sumatra): P.Kundur, P.Mendol, Palau Basu, Jambi, Palembang, Bandar Lampung, Java: Jakarta. > 12. Jakarta, Indramayu, Semarang, Surabaya, Bali: Denpasar. > 13. Denpasar, Nusa Pendila Islnd., Lombok: Mataram, Sunda: Bima, Sumba: Waingapu, Pulau Dawu, Palau Roti, Timor: Kupang. > 14. Kupang, Australia: Bathurst Island, Darwin. > 15. Darwin, Katherine, Delamare, Tennant Creek. > 16. Tennant Creek, Charleville. > 17. Charleville, Albury, Melbourne. > > I made some premature calculations. I tried to follow the agent route as much as possible. May be we have to look for a substitute for segment 4. The total distance is 11374 nms over 23 countrys in 17 daylight periods with VFR conditions. With a calculated cruise speed of 120 KIAS the total flight time is approximate 95 hours. The stretches are approximate 800 nms. The most challenging part is the shortest stretch, 451 nms above the Sea of Timor from Kupang to Darwin.. But the miles above jungle may be very challenging as well. I am still studying about the best time in the year, we have to pass the ITF (Inter Tropical Front) at a geographical position and a time in the year that it is weak enough for our limitations. Besides that an average tailwind will help a lot. When safely in Melbourne our Europas can be shipped back to Europe in a sea container. > > This is still a stupid Tim Weert-idea, but to make it possible I have only 3 preparation years ahead. And the 451 nms above the Sea of Timor is also a very big mental challenge for me personally. In those 3 years, a team might be formed with a couple of Europa enthusiasts who have enough experience and share this kind of dreams. > To reduce costs I am thinking to search for sponsoring by Airlines, Oil companies, Container/transport companies, television companies and companies like Red Bull who regularly sponsor spectacular events. And dont forget Rotax, Europa and more known aircraft part suppliers. Long range fuel tanks and additional equipment should be fitted! To make the risks acceptable the team needs additional flight safety equipment for survival in the jungle, desert and sea after a possible forced landing. And training with that equipment is a must as well. May be the RAF or Dutch Air force might help. An home- Operations to supply operational support with weather, notams, flightplans, solve problems with overfly permits, visa problems, logistic problems etc. will be a requirement as well. > > Please shoot at this idea, only after a tough brainstorm session it might be possible or it might remain still a dream. > This might be the DOTH of all DOTHs! > > Regards, Tim Weert. > #460 PH-JAI XS TG 914 AP332 > ---------------- > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > National Patient Safety Agency - supporting Doctors.net.uk members in safe practice. > http://www.doctors.net.uk/NPSA > ________________________________________________________________________ > >


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    Time: 10:59:37 AM PST US
    From: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: reserve fuel
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk> There is a variation between individual tanks. Mine has 9 litres. Nigel Charles -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio Sent: 09 February 2006 14:21 Subject: Europa-List: reserve fuel --> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> I am making placards and just a fast Q; Europa XS fuel tank total capacity is 70 litres including reserve. How many litres is a reserve side, about? Just wonder how many minutes it takes to get an answer! Thank you! Raimo M W Toivio OH-XRT #417 1400 hrs so far, engine installation OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk OH-BLL Beechcraft C45 w radial engines (grounded) 37500 Lempaala Finland tel + 358 3 3753 777 fax + 358 3 3753 100 gsm + 358 40 590 1450 raimo.toivio@rwm.fi www.rwm.fi do not archive


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    Time: 11:14:43 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Europas with no hanger....
    From: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com Terry, Back in the archives somewhere there are details on tie down plates that attach to the outrigger plates using the 3 bolts. Seems like an OK solution for casual tie downs, but I'm not sure what the factory view on this method would be. Dave A061 Do not archive "TERRY SMITH" <skyguard33-register@yahoo.co.uk> Sent by: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com 02/09/2006 10:59 AM Please respond to europa-list To: <europa-list@matronics.com> cc: Subject: Europa-List: Europas with no hanger.... --> Europa-List message posted by: "TERRY SMITH" <skyguard33-register@yahoo.co.uk> Dear All, Thanks to everyone for the various replies - most helpful and I will respond 'off forum' as appropriate and in due course. A related question: How have folk tied down a Europa? I am looking at a machine without tiedown points (as I understand it) and I gather from the experts that fitting 'proper' bonded tiedown loops is a significant retro-mod. Even if you are blessed with a cosy hanger I guess you sometimes have to leave it out when visiting away? Is the answer some form of webbing straps put over the wings etc etc??? Thanks, Terry.


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    Time: 11:40:10 AM PST US
    From: "Gavin Stewart" <Gavin@gavstew.flyer.co.uk>
    Subject: Trigear Trailer
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Gavin Stewart" <Gavin@gavstew.flyer.co.uk> Dear All, Does anyone in UK have a Trigear Trailer I can borrow or hire a short while to transport my Europa (Classic 912) from Ipswich to Shobdon? Failure to start has been blamed on a u/s starter which appears ro require removal of the engine. Does anyone think different? Thanks for any response, Regards, Gavin Stewart


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    Time: 11:42:20 AM PST US
    From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
    Subject: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net> Thomas, Yes I have corresponded with "Rotax King" and I couldn't had said it better myself!! As far as my endeavor goes, I still have to finalize the deal on the 912. Its really more of a project since I don't have an airplane to build anymore and quite frankly I won't be in a hurry to finish..... otherwise I will have to fine another project :o) Paul do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Scherer Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 12:16 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell --> Europa-List message posted by: "Thomas Scherer" <thomas@scherer.com> Allow me to warn about this guy, Jason, who claims "only the facts and no bs" and offers a bolt-on fi (fuel injection) kit for the Rotax. He is a fake. Got his hands on a few military-modified 912's and tries to re-engineer the setup. He hardly answers eMails or phone calls and has nothing real to offer besides some of those surplus engines. He actually DOES offer a lot of bs. I would check the setup of Klaus Savier at www.lightspeedengineering.com and get ideas from there. His el ignition can be fitted to the 912 and the same sensor can then be used for the fi unit he is working on. Expensive but promissing. Just a warning not to waste time on "Rotaxking". be well, <Thomas, N81EU> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Henderson" <europabill@bellsouth.net> > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell > Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 06:21:27 -0500 > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill Henderson" <europabill@bellsouth.net> > > Paul, > > I'm sure you've probably seen this web site on fuel injection for the 912, > but just in case..... > > http://www.rotaxking.com/ > > > Bill > A010 > Classic Monowheel, Rotax 912S > (Sanding, filling, sanding, filling, sanding.....) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:18 PM > Subject: Europa-List: Fixed pitch propeller, lend or sell > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" > > <paul.mcallister@qia.net> > > > > Hi all, > > > > I was wondering if anyone in the US would have a fixed pitch propeller that > > they would sell, or lend.... preferable sell. > > > > I have sent my Airmaster back to NZ to have some work done and the typical > > door to door turn around time is 6 weeks. That's a long time to be without a > > "Europa drug fix" > > > > Just as an aside, I am in the middle of negotiating for the purchase of a > > second hand 912. I intend to set this up on an engine stand and experiment > > with fuel injection. Assuming that I can make it work and I can convince > > myself that it will be reliable I will fit it up to my 914. Other than > > attaching a propeller to it I don't know how else I will be able to place a > > load on the engine. Anyhow, if the project ever gets off the ground I'll > > let the forum know. > > > > Cheers, Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 12:02:04 PM PST US
    From: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
    Subject: SK16
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk> Well done the list ! Within a few minutes of my post I had a .jpeg of this component and I have already marked out my cut lines. When I printed the .jpeg it came out exactly to scale - i was expecting to have to b*gg*r about with it to get the right size ! Thanks Ivor And thanks to anyone else who might have responded - I have it now :-) Richard


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    Time: 01:08:01 PM PST US
    From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
    Subject: 914 engine alignment
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca> Cheers, I am only in earliest stages of 914 installation, but note that the Lord rubber mounts must be fully compressed (all 4) to an overall length (outer surfaces of metal cups) of 1-15/16" or give/take 49mm, in order to properly measure the engine offset correctly. Of course you have probably already realised this, so this announcement is solely for the use of those in my mental state, or lower. Also, class, the M10x110 engine bolts, having the exciting BINX nuts (not a welcome condition) have to lose about 9/16 to 5/8 inches to describe at least 2 extra threads outside the nuts, but try one and see. Caviat tutor, Ferg


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    Time: 02:45:45 PM PST US
    From: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
    Subject: Extra 10.5 gallons in right seat
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com> ---- Start SpamAssassin results 3.00 points, 2.5 required; * -3.3 -- Has a In-Reply-To header * 0.3 -- Message-Id has characters indicating spam * 3.9 -- Forged mail pretending to be from MS Outlook * 0.3 -- Message looks like Outlook, but isn't * 1.8 -- AWL: Auto-whitelist adjustment ---- End of SpamAssassin results Received: from N46AH (unknown [192.168.2.12]) by ns1.softmeta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53B7A1CD61 for <europa-list@matronics.com>; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 17:41:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Extra 10.5 gallons in right seat Thread-Index: AcYtivZxg7QZjpCqRVqYe78sLwehvwAPuOqg Disposition-Notification-To: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com> Did you check out the "Mermaid" at the bottom of this page? BTW nice ferry tanks. http://www.turtlepac.com/aircraftferry.htm Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 09:51 Subject: Europa-List: Extra 10.5 gallons in right seat --> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> Removable fuel in right seat??: http://www.turtlepac.com/sportdetails.htm Ron Parigoris


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    Time: 02:58:28 PM PST US
    From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
    Subject: Re: Voltage Regulator Failure
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> Hi Europaeans, Fixed the Regulator/Rectifier problem. Had the unit checked out by a Rotax agent here and all was OK. So back to tracking it down with the voltmeter. Before re-installing the DIN plug to the Regulator/Rectifier I cleaned the terminals and checked the crimping. I then made sure the connections were good and plug FULLY installed. I noticed then the plug had gone in a lot further from when I took it out. Ah Ha. So started up the engine and hey presto!! it was charging the battery. Conclusion; Vibrations, I think, must have caused the plug to slip down, despite the plastic holding brackets and caused a stator terminal to not connect sufficiently well.The plastic brackets certainly do not hold it securely in place. So many thanks for your help. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8005 New Zealand. Ph +64 3 3515166 Mobile 021 0640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz


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    Time: 03:46:45 PM PST US
    From: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
    Subject: Voltage Regulator Failure
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk> Tim > Hi Europaeans, Fixed the Regulator/Rectifier problem. > Had the unit checked out by a Rotax agent here and all > was OK. So back to tracking it down with the voltmeter. > Before re-installing the DIN plug to the > Regulator/Rectifier I cleaned the terminals and checked > the crimping. I then made sure the connections were > good and plug FULLY installed. I noticed then the plug > had gone in a lot further from when I took it out. Ah > Ha. So started up the engine and hey presto!! it was > charging the battery. Conclusion; Vibrations, I think, > must have caused the plug to slip down, despite the > plastic holding brackets and caused a stator terminal > to not connect sufficiently well.The plastic brackets > certainly do not hold it securely in place. I wish I could be so optimistic. Mine went on and off several times, Normally at the flare stage of the flight, and then worked perfectly the next time I tried it. I tried various cabling fixes and each time it was OK and then it wasn't OK. I changed the regulator and that one was faulty in another way (since returned). I opened up my original regulator and re-soldered three possible dry joints. Worked so far but no real test as the wx has been bad (and I am fiddling with the oil thermostat). As I said to someone, if the external wiring is OK and the regulator is at fault then it can either be a dry joint (which will normally mean it fails intermittently) or a component failure, which means it fails and stays failed. The black plug goes in so that the retaining clips just pass their notches. It is possible that the faston connectors weren't all the way into the black connector. They have small tangs on them to keep them in place - if you used the ones that came with the regulator - fine; if you used others then the chances are that they didn't have tangs and the connector could have been pushed out (or rather not pushed in enough) This is why I asked whether your regulator failure was intermittent or permanent. Anyway I hope that your problem is fixed. The engine will run for a long time with no charge ! Maybe we should all carry a spare at all times :-( Best wishes Richard G-OWWW High Cross


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    Time: 03:49:15 PM PST US
    From: Rman <topglock@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Europas with no hanger....
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Rman <topglock@cox.net> Terry, Go to http://www.n55xs.com and check my June 26/27, 2004 entry for the tail tiedown and September 30, 2004 entry for the wing tiedowns. These have be perfectly suitable for tieing down the aircraft in winds up to 35 knots... Jeff - N55XS 140 hours TERRY SMITH wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "TERRY SMITH" <skyguard33-register@yahoo.co.uk> > >Dear All, > >Thanks to everyone for the various replies - most helpful and I will respond 'off forum' as appropriate and in due course. > >A related question: How have folk tied down a Europa? I am looking at a machine without tiedown points (as I understand it) and I gather from the experts that fitting 'proper' bonded tiedown loops is a significant retro-mod. Even if you are blessed with a cosy hanger I guess you sometimes have to leave it out when visiting away? > >Is the answer some form of webbing straps put over the wings etc etc??? > >Thanks, > >Terry. > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:59:59 PM PST US
    From: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
    Subject: Trigear Trailer
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co> Does anyone have plans for a trigear trailer that they could let me have Will -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gavin Stewart Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 14:51 Subject: Europa-List: Trigear Trailer --> Europa-List message posted by: "Gavin Stewart" <Gavin@gavstew.flyer.co.uk> Dear All, Does anyone in UK have a Trigear Trailer I can borrow or hire a short while to transport my Europa (Classic 912) from Ipswich to Shobdon? Failure to start has been blamed on a u/s starter which appears ro require removal of the engine. Does anyone think different? Thanks for any response, Regards, Gavin Stewart




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