Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:33 AM - Re: Trigear Trailer (Steven Pitt)
2. 01:46 AM - Re: reserve fuel (Raimo Toivio)
3. 04:23 AM - Re: Trigear Trailer (Trevpond@aol.com)
4. 04:28 AM - Re: Heat exchanger (Raimo Toivio)
5. 08:02 AM - Tie-downs (Fergus Kyle)
6. 09:31 AM - Re: Trigear Trailer (William Daniell)
7. 10:23 AM - Classic Wings For Sale (Erich Trombley)
8. 05:57 PM - Propeller discussions (Paul McAllister)
9. 07:04 PM - Re: Propeller discussions (SPurpura@aol.com)
10. 08:03 PM - Re: Propeller discussions (Paul McAllister)
11. 09:31 PM - Re: Propeller discussions (Rman)
Message 1
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| Subject: | Re: Trigear Trailer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
William
Are you in the UK?
If so are you wanting to build your own or get it made for you? Covered?
If the latter, mine was made for me by Mark Blackburn, Kompak Trailers,
contact at sue@kompak.co.uk They are based in West Sussex south of
Chichester and Mark makes covered trailers for many large organisations. He
said he would be interested in other Europa builders.
Steve Pitt #403
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
Sent: 09 February 2006 23:55
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trigear Trailer
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
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> Does anyone have plans for a trigear trailer that they could let me have
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> Will
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> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gavin Stewart
> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 14:51
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Trigear Trailer
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> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Gavin Stewart"
> <Gavin@gavstew.flyer.co.uk>
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> Dear All,
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> Does anyone in UK have a Trigear Trailer I can borrow or hire a short
while
> to transport my Europa (Classic 912) from Ipswich to Shobdon?
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> Failure to start has been blamed on a u/s starter which appears ro require
> removal of the engine.
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> Does anyone think different?
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> Thanks for any response,
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> Regards,
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> Gavin Stewart
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| Subject: | Re: reserve fuel |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
Engine manual page 6-3
confirms it - 9 litres.
Should I read manual more!
Raimo
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From: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 8:58 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: reserve fuel
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nigelcharles@tiscali.co.uk>
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> There is a variation between individual tanks. Mine has 9 litres.
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> Nigel Charles
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> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo
> Toivio
> Sent: 09 February 2006 14:21
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: reserve fuel
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> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
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> I am making placards and just a fast Q;
> Europa XS fuel tank total capacity
> is 70 litres including reserve. How
> many litres is a reserve side, about?
> Just wonder how many minutes it takes
> to get an answer! Thank you!
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> Raimo M W Toivio
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> OH-XRT #417 1400 hrs so far, engine installation
> OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk
> OH-BLL Beechcraft C45 w radial engines (grounded)
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> 37500 Lempaala
> Finland
> tel + 358 3 3753 777
> fax + 358 3 3753 100
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> www.rwm.fi
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| Subject: | Re: Trigear Trailer |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Trevpond@aol.com
Hi Will,
Europa make a great trailer for the tri-gear and I have one and keep it in
the garage, sometimes with the aircraft on it.
Give Andy a ring.
Trev Pond
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Cc: "Aerotecno Oy" <info@aerotecno.fi>
| Subject: | Re: Heat exchanger |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
Of course not. Main advantage is to get about same
temperature with oil and water, as Jos wrote. Ideal
temperature will be achieved also as soon as possible
and keeped there with the help of a water thermostat
(which is a separate equipment).
Engine pre-heating system is electric (mains 230 VAC
or 110 VAC) as I wrote. Total power is 550W.
This is also a separate equipment and it is equipped
with a thermostat also. There is power enough to
heat also cockpit /panel especially if the engine
cowlings are coverred by heat insulated blanket or
other separate cover as the wings and other flying
surfaces. That is common practise here in Scandinavia
(if you keep your plane outside). It is possible also to
add a separate heat blower in the cockpit and connect it
to the same wiring loom as engine pre-heater. It is weight is
about one kilo and it is not fixed. It is also equipped with a
thermostat and overall structure is safe enough to use in a
cockpit (do not cover it anyway!).You take it away before flying.
The prices for all previous components without tax:
- big heat exchanger 359 euros (this is for Rotax 914)
- smaller heat exchanger 300 euros (for 912 and 912S)
- water thermostat 316 euros
- electric water heater 550W with thermostat 144 euros
- electric cockpit air heater 1200 W with thermostat less than 50 euros
Mr Pertti Lehtinen will do happily also international shipments.
Contact direct info@aerotecno.fi
Me neither have personally no business interests for this - only want to help him
& you.
Wishes, Raimo
Raimo M W Toivio
OH-XRT #417 1402 hrs so far, engine installation
OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk in hangar behind many other planes ;(
OH-BLL Beechcraft C45 w radial engines (grounded)
37500 Lempaala
Finland
tel + 358 3 3753 777
fax + 358 3 3753 100
gsm + 358 40 590 1450
raimo.toivio@rwm.fi
www.rwm.fi
----- Original Message -----
From: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 8:46 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Heat exchanger
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
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> Got some more pictures today, decided to make a new subject, because this is
not really about pre-heating a rotax, although it makes it a lot easier and more
reliable. So to recap: This heat-exchanger will be mounted instead of the oil
radiator. Not in the same physical place. An oil thermostat is also superfluous
because the oil temperature will be closely coupled to the coolant temperature.
Since the water will warm faster then the oil, this helps to keep the whole
engine at a nice temperature. There will be a water thermostat as well. The
dimensions show up in the attached photos, weight is 826 grams. Price quoted
to me is 359 Euros without tax. For info contact info@aerotecno.fi, Pertti Lehtinen
> I have no other commercial interest in this other then being a future customer.
> While i write this,i feel already sorry for you PFA customers. I suppose that
a mod will be a long way away...
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> Regards,
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
It just occurred to me that the Europa has many caharacterisitics of the deH
Otter, a machine I drove for about 8 years into central Quebec and in
various seasons and shapes - land, water, ski.
Often, we would bivouac out overnight and the aircraft would need protection
from everything especially wind (tempest).
One very useful ploy was (I know) 2x4 lumber, slipped into an envelope
stitched into the wing top covers at the peak of lift. This destroyed any
lift (well, most) and steadied the 60 footer in gales. Very useful at the
dock in summer gales and in snowstorms.
Now we can't carry full covers, or there'd be no room for the carrot juice,
but it would be possible to inflate a plastic insert with angry corners to
do the same job - without all the covering material, if judiciously designed
to cling to the critical areas of the wing. In fact, experience would
dictate that not all the wing would need to be equipped - my guess is 60%
around the aileron area - but I,ve been wrong before.
No, I'm not puffing anything.
Ferg
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
Roger that - bit tricky and costly to transport it to BOG tho!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Trevpond@aol.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 07:19
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trigear Trailer
--> Europa-List message posted by: Trevpond@aol.com
Hi Will,
Europa make a great trailer for the tri-gear and I have one and keep it in
the garage, sometimes with the aircraft on it.
Give Andy a ring.
Trev Pond
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| Subject: | Classic Wings For Sale |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Erich Trombley" <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
On behalf of Lynn Elsner I am making this posting. Lynn has a set of Classic wings
for sale. The wings are in kit form and have not been started. He is asking
only $1,500 for the lot. Lynn is located in Phoenix, AZ.
If you have any interest in a spare set of wings please contact me and I can put
you in touch with Lynn.
Kind regards,
Erich Trombley
Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!
On behalf of Lynn Elsner I am making this posting. Lynn has a set of Classic wings
for sale. The wings are in kit form and have not been started. He is asking
only $1,500 for the lot. Lynn is located in Phoenix, AZ.
If you have any interest in a spare set of wings please contact me and I can put
you in touch with Lynn.
Kind regards,
Erich Trombley
Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!
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| Subject: | Propeller discussions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
Among all of the CS propeller discussions I never see MT mentioned. They
make 2 two blade propellers, on electric, that the other is hydraulic. The
electric one is the same weight as an Airmaster and the diameter of the
propeller is 180 cm / 70.8 inches, slightly less than an Airmaster. As far
as prices goes, I seem to recall the Airmaster was something north of
$6000.00 US which is similar to the MT. I know that the Airplast and
Woodcomp's are a lot less than this.
So... are there any Europa's out there with MT's, are they any good. Why am
I asking this ?, well I am now of the opinion that a product that needs to
be serviced in another country is way too much hassle. The MT are assembled
& serviced in the US.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller discussions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: SPurpura@aol.com
I THOUGHT THAT THE MT PROP WAS GERMAN MFG.
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| Subject: | Propeller discussions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Sam,
Yes they are made in Germany and assembled in US. There factory is in
Florida.
Paul
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
SPurpura@aol.com
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Propeller discussions
--> Europa-List message posted by: SPurpura@aol.com
I THOUGHT THAT THE MT PROP WAS GERMAN MFG.
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller discussions |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rman <topglock@cox.net>
Unless I'm just having a large brain fart..... aren't Airmasters for the
europa 63"? Seems like 70+ is just a bit long...
Jeff - N55XS
140 hours
Paul McAllister wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
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>Hi all,
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>Among all of the CS propeller discussions I never see MT mentioned. They
>make 2 two blade propellers, on electric, that the other is hydraulic. The
>electric one is the same weight as an Airmaster and the diameter of the
>propeller is 180 cm / 70.8 inches, slightly less than an Airmaster. As far
>as prices goes, I seem to recall the Airmaster was something north of
>$6000.00 US which is similar to the MT. I know that the Airplast and
>Woodcomp's are a lot less than this.
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>So... are there any Europa's out there with MT's, are they any good. Why am
>I asking this ?, well I am now of the opinion that a product that needs to
>be serviced in another country is way too much hassle. The MT are assembled
>& serviced in the US.
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>Paul
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