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1. 04:13 AM - Re: Intercooler (Hans J. Danielsen)
2. 04:59 AM - Re: Air Tour (Jim Butcher)
3. 05:13 AM - Intercooler Pics Posted (Robert Borger)
4. 08:19 AM - Re: Intercooler (Gilles Thesee)
5. 08:44 AM - The Dang thing Flew (JEFF ROBERTS)
6. 10:25 AM - Re: The Dang thing Flew (Cliff Shaw)
7. 01:31 PM - Re: The Dang thing Flew (Rowland Carson)
8. 05:51 PM - Re: The Dang thing Flew (JEFF ROBERTS)
9. 07:16 PM - Mono Wheel Brake System (Steve Crimm)
10. 07:39 PM - Re: Mono Wheel Brake System (Tom Friedland)
11. 07:39 PM - Re: Mono Wheel Brake System (Tom Friedland)
12. 07:42 PM - Re: Mono Wheel Brake System (Cliff Shaw)
13. 07:43 PM - Re: The Dang thing Flew (kbcarpenter@comcast.net)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Hans J. Danielsen" <hansjd@online.no>
Hi all.
Interesting thought - to get more performance out of the 914. But since
carburettor icing is a "no-problem" - due to the heated air from the
compressor, may not cool air from an intercooler introduce this problem?
In other words enforcing just another mod: - carb heat?? Which again spells
more weight, etc., etc.
Just my thought.
Cheers
Hans
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
Dave,
Be sure you omit the last period; it should be www.miaviation.org
You should be able to just double click on this. We just checked and it
works just fine.
Looking forward to meeting you. We know Ferg, but you can bring him
anyway!!
Jim & Heather
Do Not Archive
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Cc: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
| Subject: | Intercooler Pics Posted |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
Europaphiles,
For those interested in the intercooler thread, I have posted the
promised pics and installation instructions on my build site.
I think the pics are of sufficient quality for all to build a parts
list. The hoses are standard Goodyear and Gates parts and the
number are shown on the hoses.
If anyone would like additional pics of any part, combination of
parts or assembly, let me know and I'll do what I can.
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
(85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in with Singleton
Mod, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing
incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done, baggage bay
in. Completing the firewall-aft fuel system and fitting the
instrument panel. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical,
28 Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35
Doors, 37 Finishing. Airmaster arrived 29 Sep 05. Seat arrived from
Oregon Aero. Preparing ROTAX 914 for installation. Singleton
firewall mod has arrived.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Hans and all,
>Interesting thought - to get more performance out of the 914. But since
>carburettor icing is a "no-problem" - due to the heated air from the
>compressor, may not cool air from an intercooler introduce this problem?
>
>
The 914 carbs run pretty warm in the supercharger environment. If by
chance air temperature goes so low as to be in the icing range, remember
that it's not the air that ices up, but the carb butterfly, etc...
Also, there is no such thing as a 100% efficiency intercooler
installation, so air is still rather warm in the airbox.
You may ask, what if the carbs are so warm that vapor lock is likely ?
Now there's a good question...
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
http://contrails.free.fr
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| Subject: | The Dang thing Flew |
--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
This is to inform all the on 3/10/06 after 3.5 years of building that
N128LJ took to the sky's out of MQY Smyrna TN. After my friend Mike
test flew it around the pattern I couldn't help myself. So I told my
wife that I just wanted to taxi it a bit and after a short hop down the
runway she just came off the ground and flew hands off. WOW! To all
that are building keep at it and to those that have done it I now get
it.
This is an incredible airplane! It's quick, it's stable and it likes
the sky much better than my garage. Thanks to all that have put up with
my questions and a special thanks to Jeff-Baby Blue / John-The glider
man, and a very special thanks to Bob at Flight Crafters!
I think I'll put some wheel pants on this thing to see what it will do.
Jeff
N128LJ / Gold rush.
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| Subject: | Re: The Dang thing Flew |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Jeff
Congratulations !!!!!
You now have that "EUROPA grin", and it won't go away any time soon!
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
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| Subject: | Re: The Dang thing Flew |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2006-03-11 10:42 -0600 JEFF ROBERTS wrote:
>N128LJ took to the sky's out of MQY Smyrna TN
Jeff - many congratulations! Just for the record, can you let me know
engine & prop used, empty weight, and does Mike have a last name? If
you kept a record of build hours, that would be great to know too.
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: The Dang thing Flew |
--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
Thanks to all that have replied!
My test pilot was Mike Bowden who has flown everything but the kitchen
sink. He has never sat in a Europa before but like all skilled pilots
with 20K plus hours it was just another airplane. As soon as he got use
to the finger brakes he was off. When he returned his words we're... I
had know Idea this airplane handle this nice. He was very impressed and
didn't want paid, but I do have to now let him fly it once in a while.
Sorry on the lack of documenting the build. I have never been one to
keep accurate records but I would guess it to be around 1500 to 2000
hours. I jumped started it with Bob at flight Crafters for a few weeks
before bringing it home for the completion. She has the 912-S with the
ground adjustable warp drive prop, so I guess she's very normal to
others. We have a 5000 and an 8000 foot runway at Smyrna so I set the
prop at 21 degrees instead of the recommended 19. She still left the
ground in less than 600 feet and climbed much faster than the local
DA-20 Katanna. I am hoping for some good cruse numbers after I install
the wheel pants.
I am a low time pilot so it may explain this next comment. I must say
say that I have never experienced anything like that feeling I felt as
I pulled it off the runway. My family and some friends we're watching
so I was a bit nervous but wow! Other than reversing the trim wires I
don't believe there is any other adjustment needed.
Her empty weight is 877 LBS with all leg faring installed. I took today
off but I hope to get back in the air tomorrow and as I get some more
numbers I'll let you all know.
I would like to hear from other tri-gear Europa flyers on there
recommended landing pattern speeds, and flap settings that work best
for them.
Best Regards to All and keep at it. You have a better plane in your
shop than you know!
Jeff
A258 N128LJ She's flying now!
On Mar 11, 2006, at 12:41 PM, Rowland Carson wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
>
> At 2006-03-11 10:42 -0600 JEFF ROBERTS wrote:
>
>> N128LJ took to the sky's out of MQY Smyrna TN
>
> Jeff - many congratulations! Just for the record, can you let me know
> engine & prop used, empty weight, and does Mike have a last name? If
> you kept a record of build hours, that would be great to know too.
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
> --
> for info!
>
>
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| Subject: | Mono Wheel Brake System |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
I have been told that there is a funnel that screws into the top of the
master cylinder for a mono wheel when bleeding the brakes. Where does one
get one of these funnels?
Thanks
Steve
N42AH
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| Subject: | Re: Mono Wheel Brake System |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tom Friedland" <96victor@gmail.com>
Hi Steve
I ordered mine from Europa. It works well and is very handy.
Tom
On 3/11/06, Tom Friedland <96victor@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On 3/11/06, Steve Crimm <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com> wrote:
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> > I have been told that there is a funnel that screws into the top of the
> > master cylinder for a mono wheel when bleeding the brakes. Where does
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> > N42AH
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| Subject: | Re: Mono Wheel Brake System |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tom Friedland" <96victor@gmail.com>
Hi Steve
On 3/11/06, Steve Crimm <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com> wrote:
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> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" <
> steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
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> I have been told that there is a funnel that screws into the top of the
> master cylinder for a mono wheel when bleeding the brakes. Where does one
> get one of these funnels?
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> Thanks
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> Steve
> N42AH
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| Subject: | Re: Mono Wheel Brake System |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Steve
I found it was much easier and faster to fill the brake system from the wheel cylinder
bleed fitting. That is the way the pros in the auto shops do it.
I used a large plastic syringe and "squirted " brake fluid in from the bottom
till it ran out the top.
Just my idea.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Crimm
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 7:14 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Mono Wheel Brake System
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
I have been told that there is a funnel that screws into the top of the
master cylinder for a mono wheel when bleeding the brakes. Where does one
get one of these funnels?
Thanks
Steve
N42AH
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| Subject: | Re: The Dang thing Flew |
--> Europa-List message posted by: kbcarpenter@comcast.net
Congratulations, hop over the Knoxville,TN 98( Skyranch) and we can tool around.
Ken Carpenter 914 Mono N 9 XS
-------------- Original message --------------
From: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS
>
> Thanks to all that have replied!
> My test pilot was Mike Bowden who has flown everything but the kitchen
> sink. He has never sat in a Europa before but like all skilled pilots
> with 20K plus hours it was just another airplane. As soon as he got use
> to the finger brakes he was off. When he returned his words we're... I
> had know Idea this airplane handle this nice. He was very impressed and
> didn't want paid, but I do have to now let him fly it once in a while.
> Sorry on the lack of documenting the build. I have never been one to
> keep accurate records but I would guess it to be around 1500 to 2000
> hours. I jumped started it with Bob at flight Crafters for a few weeks
> before bringing it home for the completion. She has the 912-S with the
> ground adjustable warp drive prop, so I guess she's very normal to
> others. We have a 5000 and an 8000 foot runway at Smyrna so I set the
> prop at 21 degrees instead of the recommended 19. She still left the
> ground in less than 600 feet and climbed much faster than the local
> DA-20 Katanna. I am hoping for some good cruse numbers after I install
> the wheel pants.
> I am a low time pilot so it may explain this next comment. I must say
> say that I have never experienced anything like that feeling I felt as
> I pulled it off the runway. My family and some friends we're watching
> so I was a bit nervous but wow! Other than reversing the trim wires I
> don't believe there is any other adjustment needed.
> Her empty weight is 877 LBS with all leg faring installed. I took today
> off but I hope to get back in the air tomorrow and as I get some more
> numbers I'll let you all know.
> I would like to hear from other tri-gear Europa flyers on there
> recommended landing pattern speeds, and flap settings that work best
> for them.
> Best Regards to All and keep at it. You have a better plane in your
> shop than you know!
>
> Jeff
> A258 N128LJ She's flying now!
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 11, 2006, at 12:41 PM, Rowland Carson wrote:
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> > --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson
> >
> > At 2006-03-11 10:42 -0600 JEFF ROBERTS wrote:
> >
> >> N128LJ took to the sky's out of MQY Smyrna TN
> >
> > Jeff - many congratulations! Just for the record, can you let me know
> > engine & prop used, empty weight, and does Mike have a last name? If
> > you kept a record of build hours, that would be great to know too.
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Rowland
> > --
> > | Rowland Carson (retiring) Europa Club Membership Secretary - email
> > for info!
> > | Europa 435 G-ROWI (750 hours building) PFA #16532
> > | e-mail website
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Congratulations, hop over the Knoxville,TN 98( Skyranch) and we can tool around.
Ken Carpenter 914 Mono N 9 XS
-------------- Original message --------------
From: JEFF ROBERTS jeff@rmmm.net
-- Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <JEFF@RMMM.NET>
Thanks to all that have replied!
My test pilot was Mike Bowden who has flown everything but the kitchen
sink. He has never sat in a Europa before but like all skilled pilots
with 20K plus hours it was just another airplane. As soon as he got use
to the finger brakes he was off. When he returned his words we're... I
had know Idea this airplane handle this nice. He was very impressed and
didn't want paid, but I do have to now let him fly it once in a while.
Sorry on the lack of documenting the build. I have never been one to
keep accurate records but I would guess it to be around 1500 to 2000
hours. I jumped started it with Bo
b at flight Crafters for a few weeks
before bringing it home for the completion. She has the 912-S with the
ground adjustable warp drive prop, so I guess she's very normal to
others. We have a 5000 and an 8000 foot runway at Smyrna so I set the
prop at 21 degrees instead of the recommended 19. She still left the
ground in less than 600 feet and climbed much faster than the local
DA-20 Katanna. I am hoping for some good cruse numbers after I install
the wheel pants.
I am a low time pilot so it may explain this next comment. I must say
say that I have never experienced anything like that feeling I felt as
I pulled it off the runway. My family and some friends we're watching
so I was a bit nervous but wow! Other than reversing the trim wires I
don't believe there is any other adjustment needed.
Her empty weight is 877 LBS with all leg faring installed. I took tod
ay
off but I hope to get back in the air tomorrow and as I get some more
numbers I'll let you all know.
I would like to hear from other tri-gear Europa flyers on there
recommended landing pattern speeds, and flap settings that work best
for them.
Best Regards to All and keep at it. You have a better plane in your
shop than you know!
Jeff
A258 N128LJ She's flying now!
On Mar 11, 2006, at 12:41 PM, Rowland Carson wrote:
-- Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <ROWIL@CLARA.NET>
At 2006-03-11 10:42 -0600 JEFF ROBERTS wrote:
N128LJ took to the sky's out of MQY Smyrna TN
Jeff - many congratulations! Just for the record, can you let me know
engine prop used, empty weight, and does Mike have a last name? If <B
R> you kept a record of build hours, that would be great to know too.
regards
Rowland
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for info!
| Europa 435 G-ROWI (750 hours building) PFA #16532
| e-mail <MEMSEC@EUROPACLUB.ORG.UK>website <WWW.EUROPACLUB.ORG.UK>
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