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1. 07:16 AM - Re: kick back fix (KARL HEINDL)
2. 07:17 AM - Re: kick back fix (KARL HEINDL)
3. 07:34 AM - Kick back on 914? ()
4. 07:52 AM - Re: kick back fix (Horizonspace@aol.com)
5. 07:52 AM - Re: Kick back on 914? (Horizonspace@aol.com)
6. 09:19 AM - Re: Kick back on 914? (Gilles Thesee)
7. 09:42 AM - Re: Kick back on 914? (Pete Lawless)
8. 11:31 AM - Re: Kick back on 914? (Peter Rees)
9. 03:09 PM - Feedback Requested (Alternative Engines) Kitplanes Magazine (Cory Emberson)
10. 07:37 PM - Re: Feedback Requested (Alternative Engines) Kitplanes Magazine (Rob Neils, Ph.D.)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
>From: "Rmi Guerner" <air.guerner@wanadoo.fr>
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Europa-List: kick back fix
>Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:04:44 +0100 (CET)
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>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rmi Guerner" <air.guerner@wanadoo.fr>
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>Hello all,
>
>In order to sort out the kick back problem I experienced with my 912S, I
>checked the trigger coils gap, as suggested by Andy in Factory Tech Talk.
>Surprisingly none of them were found to be within the tolerances specified
>by ROTAX. The specified gaps are between 0,3 and 0,4 millimeters. I
>measured gaps between 0.15 and 0.25 millimeters. I also found that the
>trigger coil B =C2=BE was pushed down by the alternator/ignition wiring
>harness, and therefore it was impossible to adust the gap properly. The
>fix was to use a ty-wrap attached to the engine mount ring so that the
>wiring harness is moved up out of the way. I adjusted the gaps at around
>0,4 mm and now the engine is starting a lot more smoothly, with no kick
>back. It is obvious that the engine was delivered to me with this wrong
>gap adjustment. Adusting these gaps is a time consuming work, as you have
>to remove a lot of stuff to get access to the back of the engine. Therefore
>I strongly recommend that new builde!
> rs check their trigger coils before they hang the engine on the
>aircraft.
>
>Remi Guerner
>
>F-PGKL, XS S/N395 monowheel, 912S, 383 hours, installing an Airmaster
>prop
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" <kheindl@msn.com>
Hello Rmi,
This sound very promising. My problem is that I can't find any reference to
this trigger coil in any of the manuals or newsletters. What exactly is it
for and whereis it ?
Are you also saying that maybe there is no need to upgrade to the new
starter motor ?
I am just about to order one from Lockwood ($299.-), but maybe I should
wait.
Karl
>From: "Rmi Guerner" <air.guerner@wanadoo.fr>
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Europa-List: kick back fix
>Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:04:44 +0100 (CET)
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rmi Guerner" <air.guerner@wanadoo.fr>
>
>
>Hello all,
>
>In order to sort out the kick back problem I experienced with my 912S, I
>checked the trigger coils gap, as suggested by Andy in Factory Tech Talk.
>Surprisingly none of them were found to be within the tolerances specified
>by ROTAX. The specified gaps are between 0,3 and 0,4 millimeters. I
>measured gaps between 0.15 and 0.25 millimeters. I also found that the
>trigger coil B =C2=BE was pushed down by the alternator/ignition wiring
>harness, and therefore it was impossible to adust the gap properly. The
>fix was to use a ty-wrap attached to the engine mount ring so that the
>wiring harness is moved up out of the way. I adjusted the gaps at around
>0,4 mm and now the engine is starting a lot more smoothly, with no kick
>back. It is obvious that the engine was delivered to me with this wrong
>gap adjustment. Adusting these gaps is a time consuming work, as you have
>to remove a lot of stuff to get access to the back of the engine. Therefore
>I strongly recommend that new builde!
> rs check their trigger coils before they hang the engine on the
>aircraft.
>
>Remi Guerner
>
>F-PGKL, XS S/N395 monowheel, 912S, 383 hours, installing an Airmaster
>prop
>
>
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| Subject: | Kick back on 914? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Hello Remi
Thx. for sharing input on CDI triggger coil gap adjustment needed on your
912S.
"I strongly recommend that new builder check their trigger coils before
they hang the engine on the aircraft."
Has anyone found the gap needing adjustment on the 914s? (My motor is bout
9 months old)
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: kick back fix |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Horizonspace@aol.com
In a message dated 3/25/2006 9:18:09 A.M. Central Standard Time,
kheindl@msn.com writes:
Hello Rmi,
This sound very promising. My problem is that I can't find any reference to
this trigger coil in any of the manuals or newsletters. What exactly is it
for and whereis it ?
Are you also saying that maybe there is no need to upgrade to the new
starter motor ?
I am just about to order one from Lockwood ($299.-), but maybe I should
wait.
Karl
Karl,
The trigger coils are located behind the plastic generator cover at the rear
of the engine. My understanding is that the new starter motor upgrade is
only needed for the higher compression 912S engines.
Tam
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| Subject: | Re: Kick back on 914? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Horizonspace@aol.com
In a message dated 3/25/2006 9:34:46 A.M. Central Standard Time,
rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes:
Has anyone found the gap needing adjustment on the 914s? (My motor is bout
9 months old)
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
Ron,
We will be pulling our 914 in the next couple of weeks. We will check the
gaps and report back then.
Tam
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| Subject: | Re: Kick back on 914? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
>
> Thx. for sharing input on CDI triggger coil gap adjustment needed on your
> 912S.
>
> "I strongly recommend that new builder check their trigger coils before
> they hang the engine on the aircraft."
>
> Has anyone found the gap needing adjustment on the 914s? (My motor is bout
> 9 months old)
>
>
No. Ran just fine from the start. As far as I know, only the 912S is
reported to have starting problems. Not the 1200 cc engines.
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
http://contrails.free.fr
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| Subject: | Kick back on 914? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Gilles
No the 912ul does too if you hang a heavy VP prop on the front!
Replaced my sprag clutch at 150 hours.
Regards
Pete
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gilles
Thesee
Sent: 25 March 2006 17:15
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Kick back on 914?
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee
<Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
>
> Thx. for sharing input on CDI triggger coil gap adjustment needed on
your
> 912S.
>
> "I strongly recommend that new builder check their trigger coils
before
> they hang the engine on the aircraft."
>
> Has anyone found the gap needing adjustment on the 914s? (My motor is
bout
> 9 months old)
>
>
No. Ran just fine from the start. As far as I know, only the 912S is
reported to have starting problems. Not the 1200 cc engines.
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
http://contrails.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: Kick back on 914? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Rees" <peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk>
We had a lot of starting problems with our 912 - we were just about do dive
in and replace the sprag when Andy Draper suggested that we check the
Torsional Vibration Damper setting (dead easy and its part of the Rotax 50
hour check) - turns out that ours was set to about 200lb inches - Minimum is
300, suggested is 400. Gearbox off to Conair for a few days - when it all
went back together, starts on the button (runs a heck of a lot smoother now
as well).
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gilles Thesee" <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Kick back on 914?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee
> <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
>
>
>>
>> Thx. for sharing input on CDI triggger coil gap adjustment needed on your
>> 912S.
>>
>> "I strongly recommend that new builder check their trigger coils before
>> they hang the engine on the aircraft."
>>
>> Has anyone found the gap needing adjustment on the 914s? (My motor is
>> bout
>> 9 months old)
>>
>>
> No. Ran just fine from the start. As far as I know, only the 912S is
> reported to have starting problems. Not the 1200 cc engines.
>
> Regards,
> Gilles Thesee
> Grenoble, France
> http://contrails.free.fr
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Feedback Requested (Alternative Engines) Kitplanes Magazine |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Cory Emberson <bootless@earthlink.net>
Hello all,
I would like to hear from you if you're a builder who has successfully
installed and flown an alternative engine in your plane. I'm compiling a
builder's roundup for Kitplanes magazine, and am looking for an
installation that's flown for a minimum of 300 hours, and is currently
flying. Also, we will not address any rotary engines, since a separate
article will cover those engines.
For the builders that we profile, the magazine will also be able to pay
you $100 for the write-up. I'll be at Sun 'n Fun until late morning on
Friday (April 7), so if you fly in, I'd be happy to take the photos
there. If not, we would also need at least 2-3 good photos, including a
close-up of the engine and an overall shot of the aircraft. Additional
photos would be great, and all photos will be returned. If you have
digital photos, it is very important that they be high-resolution, at
least 300 dpi. I have a list of specific areas to address if you'd like
to participate, but we can handle that off-line. Please feel free to
contact me off-line at: bootless (at) earthlink (dot) net (my despammed
email address).
Thank you so much!
best,
Cory Emberson
Contributing Editor
Kitplanes Magazine
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| Subject: | Feedback Requested (Alternative Engines) Kitplanes Magazine |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rob Neils, Ph.D." <robneils@qwest.net>
I'm finishing the first tricycle gear Europa motorglider.
Here're a few pictures.
Rob Neils, Ph.D.
(509) 927-1194
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cory Emberson
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 2:59 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Feedback Requested (Alternative Engines) Kitplanes
Magazine
--> Europa-List message posted by: Cory Emberson <bootless@earthlink.net>
Hello all,
I would like to hear from you if you're a builder who has successfully
installed and flown an alternative engine in your plane. I'm compiling a
builder's roundup for Kitplanes magazine, and am looking for an
installation that's flown for a minimum of 300 hours, and is currently
flying. Also, we will not address any rotary engines, since a separate
article will cover those engines.
For the builders that we profile, the magazine will also be able to pay
you $100 for the write-up. I'll be at Sun 'n Fun until late morning on
Friday (April 7), so if you fly in, I'd be happy to take the photos
there. If not, we would also need at least 2-3 good photos, including a
close-up of the engine and an overall shot of the aircraft. Additional
photos would be great, and all photos will be returned. If you have
digital photos, it is very important that they be high-resolution, at
least 300 dpi. I have a list of specific areas to address if you'd like
to participate, but we can handle that off-line. Please feel free to
contact me off-line at: bootless (at) earthlink (dot) net (my despammed
email address).
Thank you so much!
best,
Cory Emberson
Contributing Editor
Kitplanes Magazine
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