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1. 01:41 AM - Re: Europa Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop & 912S (flyingphil2)
2. 03:11 AM - 912 vs 912s (Bill Sue)
3. 06:14 AM - Re: 912 vs 912s (sqwk7000@cotswoldwireless.co.uk)
4. 07:54 AM - Re: Mono Brake fittings (Michael Grass)
5. 06:00 PM - Re: Re: Europa Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop & 912S (Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com)
6. 08:06 PM - 914 Backfiring (Steve Hagar)
7. 08:06 PM - Re: Re: Europa Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop & 912S (JEFF ROBERTS)
8. 08:32 PM - Re: 914 Backfiring (Horizonspace@aol.com)
9. 09:47 PM - Re: 914 Backfiring (Craig Ellison)
10. 11:54 PM - Re: Re: Europa Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop & 912S (BEBERRY@aol.com)
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| Subject: | RE: Europa Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop & |
912S
--> Europa-List message posted by: "flyingphil2" <ptiller@lolacars.com>
Hi Bryan,
Thanks for the response on the Europa list and the argument for staying with fixed
pitch (the wife liked it too!!!).
I'll take that on board then and stick with fixed pitch to begin with and see what
happens.
Cheers,
Phil
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bill Sue" <Billandsue@billbell.co.uk>
Plan A was to go with the 912s and a CS prop.
Now it looks like we are about to become the owners of a 80Hp 912 in excellent
nick with 300-odd hours on it because the it has run out of life (years not hours)
on the certified Sky Arrow we are flying at present. (Hurrumph and a sharp
pain in the wallet)
It seems that it will almost certainly be cheaper (and less hassle) to buy a new
engine for the Sky Arrow and then use the old 912 for the Europa or sell it
on the homebuild market.
Now the question is do we keep the 912 or 'part-ex' it for a 912s?
We'd appreciate the comments of anyone who has made the change (presumably from
912 to 912s) on what difference it made in the real world- and what about props
to match ? I read a number of posts suggesting that the CS props didn't make
much difference, but that sounds counterintuitive.
The good news is that we are almost ready to buy the engine anyway, using the 912
from the Sky Arrow would help soften the financial blow but we wouldn't want
to spoil the ship just so we can eat and pay the mortgage!
Your comments please!
Bill and Sue
465 XS Trigear - finding lots of things to do before starting on the engine.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=24510#24510
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--> Europa-List message posted by: sqwk7000@cotswoldwireless.co.uk
I have found very adequate performance from the 912. 1000fpm climb (one
up) and 125-130kt cruise, using ground adjustable Warp Drive. Precise
figures would depend on whether prop angle is adjusted for STOL
performance or max. cruise speed.
Judging by what I have read on this forum, if you have 912S, you will need
heavy duty starter. Also, I expect there is a weight difference between
912 and 912S (with HD starter). That will affect payload and C of G. If
it pushes C of G too far forward you will have to put battery in back hand
have longer (heavier) cables to it. (Errr... perhaps all XSs have battery
at back?)
David
G-SHSH Classic 912
(still for sale)
>>
> Now the question is do we keep the 912 or 'part-ex' it for a 912s?
> We'd appreciate the comments of anyone who has made the change
> (presumably from 912 to 912s) on what difference it made in the real
> world- and what about props to match ?
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| Subject: | Re: Mono Brake fittings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
All Airplane A&P's advise against tape. Some can come of and cause a
blocking. The advise is to use Teflon (PTFE) paste instead.
Michael Grass
A266 TriGear
Detroit
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 6:30 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mono Brake fittings
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm"
> <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
>
> I was wondering if Teflon tape would work, sounds like it will, makes the
> job much easier.
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> UVTReith@aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 18:02
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono Brake fittings
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: UVTReith@aol.com
>
> As all these threads are NPT threads, it's usual to use PTFE tape or PTFE
> paste.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Bruno Reith /UVT Reith
> Monowheel XS/smart-Brabus engine/Woodcomp 3-blade fix (to start with)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Europa Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop |
& 912S
--> Europa-List message posted by: Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com
You do that Phil, then come and compare it with mine before you contemplate
going VP. My XS has a Woodcomp CS/VP prop. I have no complaints about it
regarding value for money, and it does add to the performance. Having said that
I
would not hurry to spend the money again. It is 20 pounds heavier, it requires
extra attention in flight and in maintenance, and it does not increase the
pleasure I get from flying. The Europa flies beautifully with fixed pitch
Add to that the fact that you will have yet another maintenance log to keep
up and more expense.
I will keep it on now that I have got it, because of the marginal benefits I
get on longer trips, and because people think it adds resale value (should I
ever have to sell). If it really broke though, I would not replace it!
Good luck Bryan
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
I have run the engine several times in the driveway. This weekend I have run it
fully cowled up to check temperatures. Things looked good at leat for the length
of time I ran it without disturbing the neighbors too much. I had several
comments to the fact that "at least its not as loud as a Harley". So I guess
I am OK as there are several of them in the neighborhood. Had to re-adjust
the throttle stop to find a happy medium between having the choke circuit work
upon starting and high rpm level required to keep the gearbox from chattering.
1700 rpm seems to be about it.
However the only fault discernable the 5 times or so that I ran it was that I got
a backfire of one loud pop every time I stopped the engine. This did not happen
on the previous runs. I stopped the engine per the Rotax tech"s suggestion
of turning one mag off first then killing the engine finally off the remaining
mag. Has anyone seen this on their 914?
I have posted some photos of N40SH A143 on the builder's log on the builder's gallery
it is the last album with 8 photos. It is untitled as I had some problems
naming it. Hope to be flying before it gets too hot.
Steve Hagar
A143 Mesa, AZ
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Europa Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop |
& 912S
--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
I think I'll jump in here. I agree with Bryan except I can only speak
from fixed pitch prop experience. I have a Tri-Gear with only 4 hours
on it. I can say I am really pleased! I have set the Warp Drive ground
adjustable to 21 degrees as I have 8000 feet of runway to play with. I
know it's still a bit cold but this bird is off the ground in just over
500 feet it's climbing at 65 to 70 kTS at 1100 FPM. After years of
152's and Cherokee's I have to say WOW! So far without wheel pants it
cruses at 115KTS at 3000 ft with only 4500 RPM's. Once I clean this
thing up and go with the recommended 5000 + RPM's I should see 125 to
130 KTS. I would like to have a new VP prop but for now I'm having too
much fun flying what I got. I just wish I had more time to enjoy it. So
for now I'll say.... Keep it light and simple and have fun flying.
Jeff
A258 Fitting the wheel pants and flying.
On Mar 27, 2006, at 7:51 PM, Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com
>
> You do that Phil, then come and compare it with mine before you
> contemplate
> going VP. My XS has a Woodcomp CS/VP prop. I have no complaints about
> it
> regarding value for money, and it does add to the performance. Having
> said that I
> would not hurry to spend the money again. It is 20 pounds heavier, it
> requires
> extra attention in flight and in maintenance, and it does not increase
> the
> pleasure I get from flying. The Europa flies beautifully with fixed
> pitch
>
> Add to that the fact that you will have yet another maintenance log to
> keep
> up and more expense.
>
> I will keep it on now that I have got it, because of the marginal
> benefits I
> get on longer trips, and because people think it adds resale value
> (should I
> ever have to sell). If it really broke though, I would not replace it!
>
> Good luck Bryan
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 914 Backfiring |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Horizonspace@aol.com
In a message dated 3/27/2006 10:07:13 P.M. Central Standard Time,
hagargs@earthlink.net writes:
I have run the engine several times in the driveway. This weekend I have
run it fully cowled up to check temperatures. Things looked good at leat for
the length of time I ran it without disturbing the neighbors too much. I had
several comments to the fact that "at least its not as loud as a Harley". So
I guess I am OK as there are several of them in the neighborhood. Had to
re-adjust the throttle stop to find a happy medium between having the choke
circuit work upon starting and high rpm level required to keep the gearbox from
chattering. 1700 rpm seems to be about it.
However the only fault discernable the 5 times or so that I ran it was that
I got a backfire of one loud pop every time I stopped the engine. This did
not happen on the previous runs. I stopped the engine per the Rotax tech"s
suggestion of turning one mag off first then killing the engine finally off
the remaining mag. Has anyone seen this on their 914?
I have posted some photos of N40SH A143 on the builder's log on the
builder's gallery it is the last album with 8 photos. It is untitled as I
had
some problems naming it. Hope to be flying before it gets too hot.
Steve Hagar
A143 Mesa, AZ
Steve,
We always shut our 914 down by turning both mags off at the same time. The
only time we got a backfire was when we were running too lean. The mags are
timed differently so depending on which one you shut down first, your engine
may not be running with the proper mixture. Also, the owner's manual has
this to say "Allow a cooling run of at least 1 min. as an engine shut-off at
high temperature is especially harmful for the turbo charger. Carburizing oil
might block the oil supply and firing in the muffler can occur."
Tam
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| Subject: | Re: 914 Backfiring |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
Steve,
Not sure I can be much help but I did get the same one loud pop on shut down
when doing engine testing but only when the CHT was near redline. I had
problems with overtemp while idle running fully cowled and ended up
fabricating a cowl flap. Now that the CHT/water temp. stay lower I haven't
had and repeats.
craig ellison
A205/N205CN
Silverton, OR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:06 PM
Subject: Europa-List: 914 Backfiring
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
>
> I have run the engine several times in the driveway. This weekend I have
> run it fully cowled up to check temperatures. Things looked good at leat
> for the length of time I ran it without disturbing the neighbors too much.
> I had several comments to the fact that "at least its not as loud as a
> Harley". So I guess I am OK as there are several of them in the
> neighborhood. Had to re-adjust the throttle stop to find a happy medium
> between having the choke circuit work upon starting and high rpm level
> required to keep the gearbox from chattering. 1700 rpm seems to be about
> it.
>
> However the only fault discernable the 5 times or so that I ran it was
> that I got a backfire of one loud pop every time I stopped the engine.
> This did not happen on the previous runs. I stopped the engine per the
> Rotax tech"s suggestion of turning one mag off first then killing the
> engine finally off the remaining mag. Has anyone seen this on their 914?
>
> I have posted some photos of N40SH A143 on the builder's log on the
> builder's gallery it is the last album with 8 photos. It is untitled as
> I had some problems naming it. Hope to be flying before it gets too hot.
>
> Steve Hagar
> A143 Mesa, AZ
>
>
> Steve Hagar
> hagargs@earthlink.net
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Europa Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop |
& 912S
--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
Sounds as though you have a jewel of an aeroplane there. I only got about
100Knots at the same rpm with a Warp Drive set at similar pitch. I have
replaced it with an Arplast VP but not yet flown. Hope I have not wasted money!
Patrick
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