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1. 06:57 AM - Re: Re: Europa Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop & 912S (Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com)
2. 10:48 AM - Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to Europa Stabilator? ()
3. 11:09 AM - Re: Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to Europa Stabilator? (Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com)
4. 12:00 PM - Tailplane Pip pin Cover (Flying Farmer)
5. 12:13 PM - Re: Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to Europa Stabilator? (R.C.Harrison)
6. 12:41 PM - 0-200 engine or 0-235 (Mike Baker)
7. 01:06 PM - Re: Tailplane Pip pin Cover (Tim Ward)
8. 03:20 PM - Re: Tailplane Pip pin Cover (R.C.Harrison)
9. 05:06 PM - Europa Club Events for 2006 (Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com)
10. 05:07 PM - Re: Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to Europa Stabilator? (Rman)
11. 05:18 PM - Sun n Fun Meet-ups (Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com)
12. 05:26 PM - Re: Tailplane Pip pin Cover (Lance Sandford)
13. 06:00 PM - Re: Sun n Fun Meet-ups (Rman)
14. 07:50 PM - 91X Spark Plug Hole Thread Repair (Horizonspace@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Europa Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop |
& 912S
--> Europa-List message posted by: Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com
Regarding the claims for the performance of the Airmaster, I have no doubt
that it is a splendid propellor. Personally I made no claims that the Woodcomp
propellor is any better, or any worse than other VP props. That is another
subject.
The question was, is there a need to put a VP prop on a 912S XS.
We must remember that in the UK we are limited to 1390 pounds all up weight.
We have to be careful to avoid adding unnecessary weight if we want to take
passengers with baggage. Accordingly we hope to build our planes to about 800
lb.. Anything above that comes off the number of toys you can take with you.
I understand that things are different in the States where Europas regularly
come off the stocks at 950 lb., and this is compensated for by increasing the
permissible take off weight.
So, it is horses for courses. Regarding which propellor to use if you decide
to go VP, I am not qualified to give advice. My only comment was that the
Woodcomp was relatively cheap, and it works. Naturally that does include improved
take off performance, if you really need it.
Cheers. Bryan
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| Subject: | Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to Europa Stabilator? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to Europa Stabilator? Details?
How about direct bird strike to windscreen? Details?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to Europa Stabilator? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com
Ron,
A "bird trike" sounds like the Ohno! bird, the one with the short legs and
long........
I would think that the low profile canopy would minmise the chances of a
bird getting through the prop to the windshield.
There was a report of a Kangaroo strike a few years ago, must have been
quite a high jumper.
Dave A061
Do not archive
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
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03/29/2006 01:41 PM
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Subject: Europa-List: Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to
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Stabilator?
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to Europa Stabilator? Details?
How about direct bird strike to windscreen? Details?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Tailplane Pip pin Cover |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Flying Farmer" <funnyphone@btinternet.com>
Tailplane Pip pin Cover
Im getting ready to drill the torque tube for the Tailplane pip pins. Before digging
out the Tailplane foam for the pip pin location, I want to get some information
on a cover for the hole location. I have seen on some Europa's a cover
over the hole which makes a nice finish later. I would like some info. On what
some builders have made and how and what they used for the cover or cap.
Thank You in Advance
Richard Wheelwright.
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| Subject: | Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to Europa Stabilator? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Ron
Bird Strikes are compulsory incident reports here in the UK.
I'd have thought the screen was protected by the prop. and you should be
more concerned about the prop damage?
Regards
Bob H .G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
Robt.C.Harrison
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
Sent: 29 March 2006 19:41
Subject: Europa-List: Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to Europa
Stabilator?
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to Europa Stabilator? Details?
How about direct bird strike to windscreen? Details?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | 0-200 engine or 0-235 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Mike Baker <galahav@yahoo.com>
Hi All,
Has anyone installed an 0-200 or an 0-235 yet?
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| Subject: | Re: Tailplane Pip pin Cover |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
Richard,
Go down to your local hardware shop, in the plumbing division, and obtain 2
x 50mm plastic 'end plugs' (screw on plug with rubber washers). Fit them
into the top of your stabilator with centre being the pin, and set below the
curved surface. When finishing the surface build up with flox to contour the
plug with the surface. I then cut down an old Subaru key I had to make two
points and drilled holes in the screw top to fit the key so you can unscrew
it to check the pins. Keeps water out.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8005
New Zealand.
Ph +64 3 3515166
Mobile 021 0640221
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Flying Farmer" <funnyphone@btinternet.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 7:57 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Flying Farmer"
> <funnyphone@btinternet.com>
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> Tailplane Pip pin Cover
>
> Im getting ready to drill the torque tube for the Tailplane pip pins.
> Before digging out the Tailplane foam for the pip pin location, I want to
> get some information on a cover for the hole location. I have seen on some
> Europa's a cover over the hole which makes a nice finish later. I would
> like some info. On what some builders have made and how and what they used
> for the cover or cap.
>
> Thank You in Advance
> Richard Wheelwright.
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| Subject: | Tailplane Pip pin Cover |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Richard/Tim
I did that, but the damn painter got solvent into the thread then I
cocked them up getting them out again ! Great idea but I finished up
having the two plug ends machined out of aluminium at 45 quid with a
slot in them for a coin to be used to open them! I keep a bit of grease
on the thread and it stops water ingress since the rubber seals tend to
curl up and snag!
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ward
Sent: 29 March 2006 22:03
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
Richard,
Go down to your local hardware shop, in the plumbing division, and
obtain 2
x 50mm plastic 'end plugs' (screw on plug with rubber washers). Fit them
into the top of your stabilator with centre being the pin, and set below
the
curved surface. When finishing the surface build up with flox to contour
the
plug with the surface. I then cut down an old Subaru key I had to make
two
points and drilled holes in the screw top to fit the key so you can
unscrew
it to check the pins. Keeps water out.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8005
New Zealand.
Ph +64 3 3515166
Mobile 021 0640221
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Flying Farmer" <funnyphone@btinternet.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 7:57 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Flying Farmer"
> <funnyphone@btinternet.com>
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> Tailplane Pip pin Cover
>
> Im getting ready to drill the torque tube for the Tailplane pip pins.
> Before digging out the Tailplane foam for the pip pin location, I want
to
> get some information on a cover for the hole location. I have seen on
some
> Europa's a cover over the hole which makes a nice finish later. I
would
> like some info. On what some builders have made and how and what they
used
> for the cover or cap.
>
> Thank You in Advance
> Richard Wheelwright.
> ----------------
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Europa Club Events for 2006 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com
Hi folks,
Whilst a full list of events for this year will be published in the next
edition of EF, together with an Events Calendar, I am conscious of the fact that
the season is rapidly approaching and some of you will wish to be making plans.
Accordingly, please find the prelimunary list below.
If any one has any additions, suggestions, or amendments please let me know
without delay so the EF can be brought up to date.
Happy and safe flying. Bryan Allsop.
2006 EVENTS
The Europa Club Seminar- 11/12 March.
This will be held at Frimley. Surrey, UK. It is an event for Fliers and
builders. Contact Dave Bosomworth (address at front of EF).
Day trip to France - 22 April
Destination, Persan Beaumont (LFPA), via Le Touquet. A pleasant day trip to
start the season off. Europa not flying? Hire something and come along anyway!
Spare seat? Let Dave know, he will try to find a builder to fill it!
Assistance available to those new to flight plans, customs and channel hopping.
We will
be meeting up with Jean Martin and his fellow French Europa Pilots.
Endelave, Denmark - 1/2 July.
Fancy a trip to a Scandinavian island? This fly-in is popular with Europa
fliers, for its friendship and warm welcome. The organizer is Gert Dagaard
(OY-GDS). Refer to the website http/:home19.inet.tele.dk/dalgaard/IndbydelseGB.htm
for details.
Colditz Trip - 19/23 May
This is a repeat visit for the club, following Bob Harrison's successful trip
last year. It is understood that this years' event is already fully
subscribed, buy it may be worth asking Jeremy Davey who is handling the list.
Tour de France - 02/09 June.
Always a very pleasant tour around France enhanced by David's' interest in
good food and French wine. For those who wish to widen their experience of
taking their Europa abroad, and with a general aim of appealing to wives, it is
well worth the effort.
Six Nations Tour - 22/30 June.
A more ambitious trip, but a very pleasant one which will hopefully include
the Alps! Plenty of flying, and great places to see. Those new to this sort of
thing will be very welcome, and will be able to rely on the experience of some
of those who have done this sort of thing before.
Flying For Fun Rally -18/20 Aug.
Time for the AGM on the Saturday, and for meeting friends old and new.
The All American Europa Fly-in. -26 August.
Jim and Heather Butcher are inviting us all to their Europa fly-in at Almena
Airport 12miles SW of Kalamazoo in Michigan. They are planning a barbeque and
plenty of activities on and around the airfield. Too many for me to list here,
but if you require more information please contact them on 269-375-5923, cell
269-599-0122. Overnight accommodation and camping is plentiful locally.
Hopefully they will keep us up to date on the mailing list about this event, and
about the 3 day Michigan Air Tour.
Last of the Summer Wine - 07/10 Sept.
A really pleasant relaxed wander around the west of France, taking advantage
of the weather and the warm September evenings. William is hoping that some of
our Continental friends may wish to join in or meet us en-route for an
evening or so.
Canaries Trip - 17/25 Sept.
This is a new event to round off the flying year. David Joyce has plenty of
ideas in mind, but it is a little early yet to provide much detail. Watch out
in future editions of EF.
Other events worth noting
Our regular one day Fly-ins.
Over recent years we have enjoyed three other week end events for which we
are still waiting dates as we go to press. These are: 1. Nigel Charles's fly-in.
2. Bill Wynne's N. Wales fly-in. 3. Peter Kember and Dave Watts Laddingford
Fly-ins.
North Coates Flying club would like us to visit their Summer Fly-in on 10/11
July. They have promised free landing fees and a welcome at any time. Manned
on Weds under Donna Nook Range control 122.75 a/g, and North Coates Radio
120.15 a/g at the weekend. We will have to organize a DOTH there.
Devon Struts. A series of events have been organized by them to which we are
always welcome. Refer to http:/www.devonstrut.co.uk for full details.
Our very own agent Duncan McFadyean particularly recommends the following
Devon Strut events;
July 16, Lundy. Tel 07774 017704.
July 30, Branscombe Air Show. Tel 01297 680259. "An airshow to die for".
August 27, Roserrow. Tel 01208 863000.
Another Popular Rendezvous. I don't know why, maybe because it is central,
but there always seems to be a good gathering of Europas.
17 July. The Hucknall Air Day. Notts. PPR 01159 755153.
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to Europa Stabilator? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rman <topglock@cox.net>
I took one to the vertical stab. No damage, other than having to wipe
off a little blood and a single feather...
Jeff
150 hrs
rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote:
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>Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to Europa Stabilator? Details?
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>How about direct bird strike to windscreen? Details?
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>Thx.
>Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Sun n Fun Meet-ups |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com
Having analyzed the responses from members attending the Sun n Fun event in
Florida, there are two days when almost of those attending will be there. These
are Tuesday the 5th April, and Friday the 7th April.
Sticking to the consensus of meeting at the Europa Tent at 11 am will
optimize your chance of encountering friends of the faith. Please call in to Europa,
hopefully John will have a recognizable badge for us
I understand from Gary Stout that the locals cheat and go a day before it
opens. Perhaps Gary and his friends could be persuaded to pay the entrance fee
to
join us for one of those days, as well. We could always have a whip round.
Hope to see you! Bryan
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| Subject: | Re: Tailplane Pip pin Cover |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Lance Sandford <sandford@melbpc.org.au>
Richard
While you are in the hardware store, get two of the disposable tapered
nozzles used on caulking guns.
Use them instead of the plastic tubing below the pip pins, the large end
is cut to clear the balls and the small end leaves a small, neat hole
for drainage in the lower surface.
Lance Sandford in Oz
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
>
>Richard,
>Go down to your local hardware shop, in the plumbing division, and obtain 2 Tim
Ward wrote:
>x 50mm plastic 'end plugs' (screw on plug with rubber washers). Fit them
>into the top of your stabilator with centre being the pin, and set below the
>curved surface. When finishing the surface build up with flox to contour the
>plug with the surface. I then cut down an old Subaru key I had to make two
>points and drilled holes in the screw top to fit the key so you can unscrew
>it to check the pins. Keeps water out.
>
>Cheers,
>Tim
>Tim Ward
>12 Waiwetu Street,
>Fendalton,
>Christchurch, 8005
>New Zealand.
>Ph +64 3 3515166
>Mobile 021 0640221
>ward.t@xtra.co.nz
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Flying Farmer" <funnyphone@btinternet.com>
>Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 7:57 AM
>Subject: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover
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>>Im getting ready to drill the torque tube for the Tailplane pip pins.
>>Before digging out the Tailplane foam for the pip pin location, I want to
>>get some information on a cover for the hole location. I have seen on some
>>Europa's a cover over the hole which makes a nice finish later. I would
>>like some info. On what some builders have made and how and what they used
>>for the cover or cap.
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>>Thank You in Advance
>>Richard Wheelwright.
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| Subject: | Re: Sun n Fun Meet-ups |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rman <topglock@cox.net>
Bryan and all,
Wife Mary and I will be there, no later than Sunday, April 2nd. We will
be camping in the Homebuilt camping area. Feel free to drop by, if you
see Baby Blue. Always ready to visit with fellow Europaphiles...
Jeff - N55XS - Baby Blue...
!50 Hrs
Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com
>
>Having analyzed the responses from members attending the Sun n Fun event in
>Florida, there are two days when almost of those attending will be there. These
>are Tuesday the 5th April, and Friday the 7th April.
>
>Sticking to the consensus of meeting at the Europa Tent at 11 am will
>optimize your chance of encountering friends of the faith. Please call in to Europa,
>hopefully John will have a recognizable badge for us
>
>I understand from Gary Stout that the locals cheat and go a day before it
>opens. Perhaps Gary and his friends could be persuaded to pay the entrance fee
to
>join us for one of those days, as well. We could always have a whip round.
>
>Hope to see you! Bryan
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| Subject: | 91X Spark Plug Hole Thread Repair |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Horizonspace@aol.com
Has anyone ever had the spark plug hole thread repaired in a 912 or 914
head? What has been your experience? Which is better? Heli-Coil or Timesert?
I know that Rotax recommends replacing heads with spark plug hole thread
damage but at over 1000 USD a head there has to be another solution.
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