---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/29/06: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:57 AM - Re: Re: Europa Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop & 912S (Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com) 2. 10:48 AM - Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to Europa Stabilator? () 3. 11:09 AM - Re: Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to Europa Stabilator? (Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com) 4. 12:00 PM - Tailplane Pip pin Cover (Flying Farmer) 5. 12:13 PM - Re: Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to Europa Stabilator? (R.C.Harrison) 6. 12:41 PM - 0-200 engine or 0-235 (Mike Baker) 7. 01:06 PM - Re: Tailplane Pip pin Cover (Tim Ward) 8. 03:20 PM - Re: Tailplane Pip pin Cover (R.C.Harrison) 9. 05:06 PM - Europa Club Events for 2006 (Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com) 10. 05:07 PM - Re: Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to Europa Stabilator? (Rman) 11. 05:18 PM - Sun n Fun Meet-ups (Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com) 12. 05:26 PM - Re: Tailplane Pip pin Cover (Lance Sandford) 13. 06:00 PM - Re: Sun n Fun Meet-ups (Rman) 14. 07:50 PM - 91X Spark Plug Hole Thread Repair (Horizonspace@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:39 AM PST US From: Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Europa Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop & 912S --> Europa-List message posted by: Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com Regarding the claims for the performance of the Airmaster, I have no doubt that it is a splendid propellor. Personally I made no claims that the Woodcomp propellor is any better, or any worse than other VP props. That is another subject. The question was, is there a need to put a VP prop on a 912S XS. We must remember that in the UK we are limited to 1390 pounds all up weight. We have to be careful to avoid adding unnecessary weight if we want to take passengers with baggage. Accordingly we hope to build our planes to about 800 lb.. Anything above that comes off the number of toys you can take with you. I understand that things are different in the States where Europas regularly come off the stocks at 950 lb., and this is compensated for by increasing the permissible take off weight. So, it is horses for courses. Regarding which propellor to use if you decide to go VP, I am not qualified to give advice. My only comment was that the Woodcomp was relatively cheap, and it works. Naturally that does include improved take off performance, if you really need it. Cheers. Bryan ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:48:16 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to Europa Stabilator? From: --> Europa-List message posted by: Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to Europa Stabilator? Details? How about direct bird strike to windscreen? Details? Thx. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:09:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to Europa Stabilator? From: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com --> Europa-List message posted by: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com Ron, A "bird trike" sounds like the Ohno! bird, the one with the short legs and long........ I would think that the low profile canopy would minmise the chances of a bird getting through the prop to the windshield. There was a report of a Kangaroo strike a few years ago, must have been quite a high jumper. Dave A061 Do not archive Sent by: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com 03/29/2006 01:41 PM Please respond to europa-list To: cc: Subject: Europa-List: Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to Europa Stabilator? --> Europa-List message posted by: Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to Europa Stabilator? Details? How about direct bird strike to windscreen? Details? Thx. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:34 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover From: "Flying Farmer" --> Europa-List message posted by: "Flying Farmer" Tailplane Pip pin Cover Im getting ready to drill the torque tube for the Tailplane pip pins. Before digging out the Tailplane foam for the pip pin location, I want to get some information on a cover for the hole location. I have seen on some Europa's a cover over the hole which makes a nice finish later. I would like some info. On what some builders have made and how and what they used for the cover or cap. Thank You in Advance Richard Wheelwright. ---------------- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:01 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to Europa Stabilator? --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Ron Bird Strikes are compulsory incident reports here in the UK. I'd have thought the screen was protected by the prop. and you should be more concerned about the prop damage? Regards Bob H .G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 Robt.C.Harrison -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Sent: 29 March 2006 19:41 Subject: Europa-List: Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to Europa Stabilator? --> Europa-List message posted by: Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to Europa Stabilator? Details? How about direct bird strike to windscreen? Details? Thx. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:41:27 PM PST US From: Mike Baker Subject: Europa-List: 0-200 engine or 0-235 --> Europa-List message posted by: Mike Baker Hi All, Has anyone installed an 0-200 or an 0-235 yet? ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:06:49 PM PST US From: "Tim Ward" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" Richard, Go down to your local hardware shop, in the plumbing division, and obtain 2 x 50mm plastic 'end plugs' (screw on plug with rubber washers). Fit them into the top of your stabilator with centre being the pin, and set below the curved surface. When finishing the surface build up with flox to contour the plug with the surface. I then cut down an old Subaru key I had to make two points and drilled holes in the screw top to fit the key so you can unscrew it to check the pins. Keeps water out. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8005 New Zealand. Ph +64 3 3515166 Mobile 021 0640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Flying Farmer" Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 7:57 AM Subject: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Flying Farmer" > > > Tailplane Pip pin Cover > > Im getting ready to drill the torque tube for the Tailplane pip pins. > Before digging out the Tailplane foam for the pip pin location, I want to > get some information on a cover for the hole location. I have seen on some > Europa's a cover over the hole which makes a nice finish later. I would > like some info. On what some builders have made and how and what they used > for the cover or cap. > > Thank You in Advance > Richard Wheelwright. > ---------------- > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:20:11 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Richard/Tim I did that, but the damn painter got solvent into the thread then I cocked them up getting them out again ! Great idea but I finished up having the two plug ends machined out of aluminium at 45 quid with a slot in them for a coin to be used to open them! I keep a bit of grease on the thread and it stops water ingress since the rubber seals tend to curl up and snag! Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ward Sent: 29 March 2006 22:03 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" Richard, Go down to your local hardware shop, in the plumbing division, and obtain 2 x 50mm plastic 'end plugs' (screw on plug with rubber washers). Fit them into the top of your stabilator with centre being the pin, and set below the curved surface. When finishing the surface build up with flox to contour the plug with the surface. I then cut down an old Subaru key I had to make two points and drilled holes in the screw top to fit the key so you can unscrew it to check the pins. Keeps water out. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8005 New Zealand. Ph +64 3 3515166 Mobile 021 0640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Flying Farmer" Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 7:57 AM Subject: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Flying Farmer" > > > Tailplane Pip pin Cover > > Im getting ready to drill the torque tube for the Tailplane pip pins. > Before digging out the Tailplane foam for the pip pin location, I want to > get some information on a cover for the hole location. I have seen on some > Europa's a cover over the hole which makes a nice finish later. I would > like some info. On what some builders have made and how and what they used > for the cover or cap. > > Thank You in Advance > Richard Wheelwright. > ---------------- > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:20 PM PST US From: Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com Subject: Europa-List: Europa Club Events for 2006 --> Europa-List message posted by: Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com Hi folks, Whilst a full list of events for this year will be published in the next edition of EF, together with an Events Calendar, I am conscious of the fact that the season is rapidly approaching and some of you will wish to be making plans. Accordingly, please find the prelimunary list below. If any one has any additions, suggestions, or amendments please let me know without delay so the EF can be brought up to date. Happy and safe flying. Bryan Allsop. 2006 EVENTS The Europa Club Seminar- 11/12 March. This will be held at Frimley. Surrey, UK. It is an event for Fliers and builders. Contact Dave Bosomworth (address at front of EF). Day trip to France - 22 April Destination, Persan Beaumont (LFPA), via Le Touquet. A pleasant day trip to start the season off. Europa not flying? Hire something and come along anyway! Spare seat? Let Dave know, he will try to find a builder to fill it! Assistance available to those new to flight plans, customs and channel hopping. We will be meeting up with Jean Martin and his fellow French Europa Pilots. Endelave, Denmark - 1/2 July. Fancy a trip to a Scandinavian island? This fly-in is popular with Europa fliers, for its friendship and warm welcome. The organizer is Gert Dagaard (OY-GDS). Refer to the website http/:home19.inet.tele.dk/dalgaard/IndbydelseGB.htm for details. Colditz Trip - 19/23 May This is a repeat visit for the club, following Bob Harrison's successful trip last year. It is understood that this years' event is already fully subscribed, buy it may be worth asking Jeremy Davey who is handling the list. Tour de France - 02/09 June. Always a very pleasant tour around France enhanced by David's' interest in good food and French wine. For those who wish to widen their experience of taking their Europa abroad, and with a general aim of appealing to wives, it is well worth the effort. Six Nations Tour - 22/30 June. A more ambitious trip, but a very pleasant one which will hopefully include the Alps! Plenty of flying, and great places to see. Those new to this sort of thing will be very welcome, and will be able to rely on the experience of some of those who have done this sort of thing before. Flying For Fun Rally -18/20 Aug. Time for the AGM on the Saturday, and for meeting friends old and new. The All American Europa Fly-in. -26 August. Jim and Heather Butcher are inviting us all to their Europa fly-in at Almena Airport 12miles SW of Kalamazoo in Michigan. They are planning a barbeque and plenty of activities on and around the airfield. Too many for me to list here, but if you require more information please contact them on 269-375-5923, cell 269-599-0122. Overnight accommodation and camping is plentiful locally. Hopefully they will keep us up to date on the mailing list about this event, and about the 3 day Michigan Air Tour. Last of the Summer Wine - 07/10 Sept. A really pleasant relaxed wander around the west of France, taking advantage of the weather and the warm September evenings. William is hoping that some of our Continental friends may wish to join in or meet us en-route for an evening or so. Canaries Trip - 17/25 Sept. This is a new event to round off the flying year. David Joyce has plenty of ideas in mind, but it is a little early yet to provide much detail. Watch out in future editions of EF. Other events worth noting Our regular one day Fly-ins. Over recent years we have enjoyed three other week end events for which we are still waiting dates as we go to press. These are: 1. Nigel Charles's fly-in. 2. Bill Wynne's N. Wales fly-in. 3. Peter Kember and Dave Watts Laddingford Fly-ins. North Coates Flying club would like us to visit their Summer Fly-in on 10/11 July. They have promised free landing fees and a welcome at any time. Manned on Weds under Donna Nook Range control 122.75 a/g, and North Coates Radio 120.15 a/g at the weekend. We will have to organize a DOTH there. Devon Struts. A series of events have been organized by them to which we are always welcome. Refer to http:/www.devonstrut.co.uk for full details. Our very own agent Duncan McFadyean particularly recommends the following Devon Strut events; July 16, Lundy. Tel 07774 017704. July 30, Branscombe Air Show. Tel 01297 680259. "An airshow to die for". August 27, Roserrow. Tel 01208 863000. Another Popular Rendezvous. I don't know why, maybe because it is central, but there always seems to be a good gathering of Europas. 17 July. The Hucknall Air Day. Notts. PPR 01159 755153. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:21 PM PST US From: Rman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to Europa Stabilator? --> Europa-List message posted by: Rman I took one to the vertical stab. No damage, other than having to wipe off a little blood and a single feather... Jeff 150 hrs rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: > >Anyone have or have hear of a bird trike to Europa Stabilator? Details? > >How about direct bird strike to windscreen? Details? > >Thx. >Ron Parigoris > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:14 PM PST US From: Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com Subject: Europa-List: Sun n Fun Meet-ups --> Europa-List message posted by: Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com Having analyzed the responses from members attending the Sun n Fun event in Florida, there are two days when almost of those attending will be there. These are Tuesday the 5th April, and Friday the 7th April. Sticking to the consensus of meeting at the Europa Tent at 11 am will optimize your chance of encountering friends of the faith. Please call in to Europa, hopefully John will have a recognizable badge for us I understand from Gary Stout that the locals cheat and go a day before it opens. Perhaps Gary and his friends could be persuaded to pay the entrance fee to join us for one of those days, as well. We could always have a whip round. Hope to see you! Bryan ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:36 PM PST US From: Lance Sandford Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover --> Europa-List message posted by: Lance Sandford Richard While you are in the hardware store, get two of the disposable tapered nozzles used on caulking guns. Use them instead of the plastic tubing below the pip pins, the large end is cut to clear the balls and the small end leaves a small, neat hole for drainage in the lower surface. Lance Sandford in Oz >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" > >Richard, >Go down to your local hardware shop, in the plumbing division, and obtain 2 Tim Ward wrote: >x 50mm plastic 'end plugs' (screw on plug with rubber washers). Fit them >into the top of your stabilator with centre being the pin, and set below the >curved surface. When finishing the surface build up with flox to contour the >plug with the surface. I then cut down an old Subaru key I had to make two >points and drilled holes in the screw top to fit the key so you can unscrew >it to check the pins. Keeps water out. > >Cheers, >Tim >Tim Ward >12 Waiwetu Street, >Fendalton, >Christchurch, 8005 >New Zealand. >Ph +64 3 3515166 >Mobile 021 0640221 >ward.t@xtra.co.nz >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Flying Farmer" >Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 7:57 AM >Subject: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover > > > > >>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Flying Farmer" >> >> >>Tailplane Pip pin Cover >> >>Im getting ready to drill the torque tube for the Tailplane pip pins. >>Before digging out the Tailplane foam for the pip pin location, I want to >>get some information on a cover for the hole location. I have seen on some >>Europa's a cover over the hole which makes a nice finish later. I would >>like some info. On what some builders have made and how and what they used >>for the cover or cap. >> >>Thank You in Advance >>Richard Wheelwright. >>---------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:12 PM PST US From: Rman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Sun n Fun Meet-ups --> Europa-List message posted by: Rman Bryan and all, Wife Mary and I will be there, no later than Sunday, April 2nd. We will be camping in the Homebuilt camping area. Feel free to drop by, if you see Baby Blue. Always ready to visit with fellow Europaphiles... Jeff - N55XS - Baby Blue... !50 Hrs Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com > >Having analyzed the responses from members attending the Sun n Fun event in >Florida, there are two days when almost of those attending will be there. These >are Tuesday the 5th April, and Friday the 7th April. > >Sticking to the consensus of meeting at the Europa Tent at 11 am will >optimize your chance of encountering friends of the faith. Please call in to Europa, >hopefully John will have a recognizable badge for us > >I understand from Gary Stout that the locals cheat and go a day before it >opens. Perhaps Gary and his friends could be persuaded to pay the entrance fee to >join us for one of those days, as well. We could always have a whip round. > >Hope to see you! Bryan > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:13 PM PST US From: Horizonspace@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: 91X Spark Plug Hole Thread Repair --> Europa-List message posted by: Horizonspace@aol.com Has anyone ever had the spark plug hole thread repaired in a 912 or 914 head? What has been your experience? Which is better? Heli-Coil or Timesert? I know that Rotax recommends replacing heads with spark plug hole thread damage but at over 1000 USD a head there has to be another solution.