---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/30/06: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:29 AM - Re: Tailplane Pip pin Cover (nigel charles) 2. 01:21 AM - Re: Re: Europa Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop & 912S (David Joyce) 3. 03:04 AM - europa single-handed rigging aids (Graeme Smith) 4. 03:22 AM - Re: Tailplane Pip pin Cover (Alan Burrows) 5. 03:39 AM - Re: Tailplane Pip pin Cover (BEBERRY@aol.com) 6. 04:50 AM - Re: Tailplane Pip pin Cover (Paul McAllister) 7. 04:59 AM - Re: Tailplane Pip pin Cover (nigel charles) 8. 05:01 AM - Re: Tailplane Pip pin Cover (nigel charles) 9. 06:25 AM - Re: Europa Club Events for 2006 (Jim Brown) 10. 06:52 AM - Bird strike (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com) 11. 08:12 AM - Northampton Sywell (Graeme Smith) 12. 08:39 AM - Sun N Fun (John & Paddy Wigney) 13. 08:50 AM - Re: Re: Europa Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop & 912S (Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com) 14. 09:41 AM - Re: Tailplane Pip pin Cover (Rowland Carson) 15. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: Europa Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop & 912S (Rowland Carson) 16. 09:41 AM - Re: 0-200 engine or 0-235 (Rowland Carson) 17. 12:17 PM - Re: Sun n Fun Meet-ups (Garry) 18. 01:15 PM - Re: Re: Europa Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop & 912S (Duncan McFadyean) 19. 02:05 PM - Re: Sun n Fun Meet-ups (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 20. 03:03 PM - Re: Sun N Fun (Steve Crimm) 21. 04:25 PM - Was Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop & 912S... Now MT CS PROP and Jabiru epistle! (R.C.Harrison) 22. 05:04 PM - Re: Tailplane Pip pin Cover (Rman) 23. 05:44 PM - Re: Tailplane Pip pin Cover (SPurpura@aol.com) 24. 05:54 PM - Re: Re: Europa Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop & 9... (Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:29:17 AM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" I have a very simple idea from my inspector who works on gliders. Buy a sheet of white self adhesive circular discs about 50mm diameter. As well as the tail plane pip pins these can be used to cover the drag link pins on the wings where the surface is curved. If you rig and derig infrequently like I do just be careful when it comes to removal as it is possible to pull the paint at the edge of the hole. Best to puncture the disc and remove it in a circular motion. Nigel Charles -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lance Sandford Sent: 30 March 2006 02:26 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover --> Europa-List message posted by: Lance Sandford Richard While you are in the hardware store, get two of the disposable tapered nozzles used on caulking guns. Use them instead of the plastic tubing below the pip pins, the large end is cut to clear the balls and the small end leaves a small, neat hole for drainage in the lower surface. Lance Sandford in Oz >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" > >Richard, >Go down to your local hardware shop, in the plumbing division, and obtain 2 Tim Ward wrote: >x 50mm plastic 'end plugs' (screw on plug with rubber washers). Fit them >into the top of your stabilator with centre being the pin, and set below the >curved surface. When finishing the surface build up with flox to contour the >plug with the surface. I then cut down an old Subaru key I had to make two >points and drilled holes in the screw top to fit the key so you can unscrew >it to check the pins. Keeps water out. > >Cheers, >Tim >Tim Ward >12 Waiwetu Street, >Fendalton, >Christchurch, 8005 >New Zealand. >Ph +64 3 3515166 >Mobile 021 0640221 >ward.t@xtra.co.nz >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Flying Farmer" >Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 7:57 AM >Subject: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover > > > > >>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Flying Farmer" >> >> >>Tailplane Pip pin Cover >> >>Im getting ready to drill the torque tube for the Tailplane pip pins. >>Before digging out the Tailplane foam for the pip pin location, I want to >>get some information on a cover for the hole location. I have seen on some >>Europa's a cover over the hole which makes a nice finish later. I would >>like some info. On what some builders have made and how and what they used >>for the cover or cap. >> >>Thank You in Advance >>Richard Wheelwright. >>---------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:12 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Europa Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop & 912S --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" Bryan, Last time I weighed my Woodcomp prop it was 9.8 kg including spinner wiring & instruments. Can you really have had a fixed pitch system weighing 20 lbs (9.1kg) lighter? Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 2:51 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Europa Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop & 912S > --> Europa-List message posted by: Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com > > You do that Phil, then come and compare it with mine before you contemplate > going VP. My XS has a Woodcomp CS/VP prop. I have no complaints about it > regarding value for money, and it does add to the performance. Having said that I > would not hurry to spend the money again. It is 20 pounds heavier, it requires > extra attention in flight and in maintenance, and it does not increase the > pleasure I get from flying. The Europa flies beautifully with fixed pitch > > Add to that the fact that you will have yet another maintenance log to keep > up and more expense. > > I will keep it on now that I have got it, because of the marginal benefits I > get on longer trips, and because people think it adds resale value (should I > ever have to sell). If it really broke though, I would not replace it! > > Good luck Bryan > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > National Patient Safety Agency - supporting Doctors.net.uk members in safe practice. > http://www.doctors.net.uk/NPSA > _______________________________________________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:43 AM PST US From: Graeme Smith Subject: Europa-List: europa single-handed rigging aids --> Europa-List message posted by: Graeme Smith Hi, I have been talking to Roger Huttlestone about adapting his single-handed rigging aids to work with the Europa monowheel transporter. If you * have a monowheel and a europa transporter * need to rig and de-rig regularly * don't have half a rugby team on-hand you may like to get in touch off-list so that we may pool our requirements for Roger. If there are enough people, it could be more economic all round, Graeme Smith No 26 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:22:08 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Hi Nigel What a good idea, where do you buy them from? Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nigel charles Sent: 30 March 2006 09:26 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" I have a very simple idea from my inspector who works on gliders. Buy a sheet of white self adhesive circular discs about 50mm diameter. As well as the tail plane pip pins these can be used to cover the drag link pins on the wings where the surface is curved. If you rig and derig infrequently like I do just be careful when it comes to removal as it is possible to pull the paint at the edge of the hole. Best to puncture the disc and remove it in a circular motion. Nigel Charles -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lance Sandford Sent: 30 March 2006 02:26 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover --> Europa-List message posted by: Lance Sandford Richard While you are in the hardware store, get two of the disposable tapered nozzles used on caulking guns. Use them instead of the plastic tubing below the pip pins, the large end is cut to clear the balls and the small end leaves a small, neat hole for drainage in the lower surface. Lance Sandford in Oz >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" > >Richard, >Go down to your local hardware shop, in the plumbing division, and obtain 2 Tim Ward wrote: >x 50mm plastic 'end plugs' (screw on plug with rubber washers). Fit them >into the top of your stabilator with centre being the pin, and set below the >curved surface. When finishing the surface build up with flox to contour the >plug with the surface. I then cut down an old Subaru key I had to make two >points and drilled holes in the screw top to fit the key so you can unscrew >it to check the pins. Keeps water out. > >Cheers, >Tim >Tim Ward >12 Waiwetu Street, >Fendalton, >Christchurch, 8005 >New Zealand. >Ph +64 3 3515166 >Mobile 021 0640221 >ward.t@xtra.co.nz >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Flying Farmer" >Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 7:57 AM >Subject: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover > > > > >>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Flying Farmer" >> >> >>Tailplane Pip pin Cover >> >>Im getting ready to drill the torque tube for the Tailplane pip pins. >>Before digging out the Tailplane foam for the pip pin location, I want to >>get some information on a cover for the hole location. I have seen on some >>Europa's a cover over the hole which makes a nice finish later. I would >>like some info. On what some builders have made and how and what they used >>for the cover or cap. >> >>Thank You in Advance >>Richard Wheelwright. >>---------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:39:37 AM PST US From: BEBERRY@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com My son uses the same stuff on his glider. You can use the 'sticky backed plastic' that many use to cut out the ident letters on the a/c Patrick ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:05 AM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" I had my local graphics shop make me a bunch. They made small ones to cover the flap drive inspection holes as well. I don't recall the cost but it was quite inexpensive. Paul ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:00 AM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" My inspector directed me to a small company dealing in stationery. I have since run out and must get some more. It would be good if someone found a mailorder company selling them because it would take me some time and effort to relocate my source. Nigel -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows Sent: 30 March 2006 12:22 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Hi Nigel What a good idea, where do you buy them from? Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nigel charles Sent: 30 March 2006 09:26 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" I have a very simple idea from my inspector who works on gliders. Buy a sheet of white self adhesive circular discs about 50mm diameter. As well as the tail plane pip pins these can be used to cover the drag link pins on the wings where the surface is curved. If you rig and derig infrequently like I do just be careful when it comes to removal as it is possible to pull the paint at the edge of the hole. Best to puncture the disc and remove it in a circular motion. Nigel Charles -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lance Sandford Sent: 30 March 2006 02:26 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover --> Europa-List message posted by: Lance Sandford Richard While you are in the hardware store, get two of the disposable tapered nozzles used on caulking guns. Use them instead of the plastic tubing below the pip pins, the large end is cut to clear the balls and the small end leaves a small, neat hole for drainage in the lower surface. Lance Sandford in Oz >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" > >Richard, >Go down to your local hardware shop, in the plumbing division, and obtain 2 Tim Ward wrote: >x 50mm plastic 'end plugs' (screw on plug with rubber washers). Fit them >into the top of your stabilator with centre being the pin, and set below the >curved surface. When finishing the surface build up with flox to contour the >plug with the surface. I then cut down an old Subaru key I had to make two >points and drilled holes in the screw top to fit the key so you can unscrew >it to check the pins. Keeps water out. > >Cheers, >Tim >Tim Ward >12 Waiwetu Street, >Fendalton, >Christchurch, 8005 >New Zealand. >Ph +64 3 3515166 >Mobile 021 0640221 >ward.t@xtra.co.nz >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Flying Farmer" >Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 7:57 AM >Subject: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover > > > > >>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Flying Farmer" >> >> >>Tailplane Pip pin Cover >> >>Im getting ready to drill the torque tube for the Tailplane pip pins. >>Before digging out the Tailplane foam for the pip pin location, I want to >>get some information on a cover for the hole location. I have seen on some >>Europa's a cover over the hole which makes a nice finish later. I would >>like some info. On what some builders have made and how and what they used >>for the cover or cap. >> >>Thank You in Advance >>Richard Wheelwright. >>---------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:49 AM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" If it is difficult to find these discs ready cut to shape it should be possible to buy sheets of white sticky back plastic from a hardware store but then you have the tedious business of cutting circles. Nigel -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BEBERRY@aol.com Sent: 30 March 2006 12:37 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com My son uses the same stuff on his glider. You can use the 'sticky backed plastic' that many use to cut out the ident letters on the a/c Patrick ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:46 AM PST US From: "Jim Brown" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Club Events for 2006 --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Brown" We want to go too!!! I just need to figure out how to install enough auxillary tanks in "JimBob" to hold enough fuel to cross the pond and still leave room for Augustene :) :) Jim Brown N398JB ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 8:02 PM Subject: Europa-List: Europa Club Events for 2006 > --> Europa-List message posted by: Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com > > Hi folks, > > Whilst a full list of events for this year will be published in the next > edition of EF, together with an Events Calendar, I am conscious of the > fact that > the season is rapidly approaching and some of you will wish to be making > plans. > Accordingly, please find the prelimunary list below. > > If any one has any additions, suggestions, or amendments please let me > know > without delay so the EF can be brought up to date. > > Happy and safe flying. Bryan Allsop. > > 2006 EVENTS > > The Europa Club Seminar- 11/12 March. > > This will be held at Frimley. Surrey, UK. It is an event for Fliers and > builders. Contact Dave Bosomworth (address at front of EF). > > Day trip to France - 22 April > > Destination, Persan Beaumont (LFPA), via Le Touquet. A pleasant day trip > to > start the season off. Europa not flying? Hire something and come along > anyway! > Spare seat? Let Dave know, he will try to find a builder to fill it! > Assistance available to those new to flight plans, customs and channel > hopping. We will > be meeting up with Jean Martin and his fellow French Europa Pilots. > > Endelave, Denmark - 1/2 July. > > Fancy a trip to a Scandinavian island? This fly-in is popular with Europa > fliers, for its friendship and warm welcome. The organizer is Gert Dagaard > (OY-GDS). Refer to the website > http/:home19.inet.tele.dk/dalgaard/IndbydelseGB.htm > for details. > > Colditz Trip - 19/23 May > > This is a repeat visit for the club, following Bob Harrison's successful > trip > last year. It is understood that this years' event is already fully > subscribed, buy it may be worth asking Jeremy Davey who is handling the > list. > > Tour de France - 02/09 June. > > Always a very pleasant tour around France enhanced by David's' interest in > good food and French wine. For those who wish to widen their experience of > taking their Europa abroad, and with a general aim of appealing to wives, > it is > well worth the effort. > > Six Nations Tour - 22/30 June. > > A more ambitious trip, but a very pleasant one which will hopefully > include > the Alps! Plenty of flying, and great places to see. Those new to this > sort of > thing will be very welcome, and will be able to rely on the experience of > some > of those who have done this sort of thing before. > > Flying For Fun Rally -18/20 Aug. > > Time for the AGM on the Saturday, and for meeting friends old and new. > > The All American Europa Fly-in. -26 August. > > Jim and Heather Butcher are inviting us all to their Europa fly-in at > Almena > Airport 12miles SW of Kalamazoo in Michigan. They are planning a barbeque > and > plenty of activities on and around the airfield. Too many for me to list > here, > but if you require more information please contact them on 269-375-5923, > cell > 269-599-0122. Overnight accommodation and camping is plentiful locally. > Hopefully they will keep us up to date on the mailing list about this > event, and > about the 3 day Michigan Air Tour. > > Last of the Summer Wine - 07/10 Sept. > > A really pleasant relaxed wander around the west of France, taking > advantage > of the weather and the warm September evenings. William is hoping that > some of > our Continental friends may wish to join in or meet us en-route for an > evening or so. > > > Canaries Trip - 17/25 Sept. > > This is a new event to round off the flying year. David Joyce has plenty > of > ideas in mind, but it is a little early yet to provide much detail. Watch > out > in future editions of EF. > > Other events worth noting > > Our regular one day Fly-ins. > > Over recent years we have enjoyed three other week end events for which we > are still waiting dates as we go to press. These are: 1. Nigel Charles's > fly-in. > 2. Bill Wynne's N. Wales fly-in. 3. Peter Kember and Dave Watts > Laddingford > Fly-ins. > > North Coates Flying club would like us to visit their Summer Fly-in on > 10/11 > July. They have promised free landing fees and a welcome at any time. > Manned > on Weds under Donna Nook Range control 122.75 a/g, and North Coates Radio > 120.15 a/g at the weekend. We will have to organize a DOTH there. > > Devon Struts. A series of events have been organized by them to which we > are > always welcome. Refer to http:/www.devonstrut.co.uk for full details. > > Our very own agent Duncan McFadyean particularly recommends the following > Devon Strut events; > > July 16, Lundy. Tel 07774 017704. > July 30, Branscombe Air Show. Tel 01297 680259. "An airshow to die for". > August 27, Roserrow. Tel 01208 863000. > > > Another Popular Rendezvous. I don't know why, maybe because it is > central, > but there always seems to be a good gathering of Europas. > > 17 July. The Hucknall Air Day. Notts. PPR 01159 755153. > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:55 AM PST US From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Bird strike --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com In a message dated 3/30/2006 3:00:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, europa-list-digest@matronics.com writes: > How about direct bird strike to windscreen? Details? Twenty some odd years ago whilst I was attending Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach, FL, one of their 172's took a bird strike (pelican) directly in the center of the windshield over near Tampa. Typically, Riddle usually booked their instructional flights with a student, instructor and another student in the back seat as an observer. The pelican came through the windshield and smacked the guy in the back seat squarely in the face, killing him instantly. The instructor was able to safely land the plane, but what a mess! Given that the 172's windshield is thicker than the stock Europa, I would imagine that a bird strike to the windshield of a Europa would be devastating. Regards, John Lawton Dunlap, TN A-245 (Tying up loose ends while waiting for inspection) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:54 AM PST US From: Graeme Smith Subject: Europa-List: Northampton Sywell --> Europa-List message posted by: Graeme Smith Are there any list members operating Europa aircraft from Northampton Sywell? Graeme Smith No 26 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:58 AM PST US From: John & Paddy Wigney Subject: Europa-List: Sun N Fun --> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney Hi Jeff, Look forward to seeing you. I will be in the Homebuilt Camping area also. I plan to arrive on Monday and head out on Friday. Cheers, John N262WF, mono XS, 912S Mooresville NC 704-664-4167 **************** From: Rman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Sun n Fun Meet-ups Bryan and all, Wife Mary and I will be there, no later than Sunday, April 2nd. We will be camping in the Homebuilt camping area. Feel free to drop by, if you see Baby Blue. Always ready to visit with fellow Europaphiles... Jeff - N55XS - Baby Blue... !50 Hrs ******************** ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:27 AM PST US From: Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Europa Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop & 912S --> Europa-List message posted by: Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com Hi David. Well, there you go! I cannot verify the weight difference from where I am at the moment, but I do know that I had to move the battery back from the firewall to beneath the luggage bay to offset the weight difference. Cheers. Bryan ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:33 AM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson At 2006-03-29 22:48 +0100 Flying Farmer wrote: >Before digging out the Tailplane foam for the pip pin location, I >want to get some information on a cover for the hole location Richard - I think the PFA are still regarding this as a mod, so you would probably save trouble by using an already-approved approach. Have you looked in the Club Hints & Tips? There are several suggestions on p22. I think Ian Rickard would know which was the line of least resistance - fairly important to consider at present while the PFA is running at one-thinrd the strength in Engineering that they had a short while ago (a quarter the strength they would like to have). regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson (retiring) Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info! | Europa 435 G-ROWI (750 hours building) PFA #16532 | e-mail website ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:33 AM PST US From: Rowland Carson pitch prop & 912S Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Europa Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop & 912S --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson pitch prop & 912S At 2006-03-29 09:52 -0500 Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com wrote: >in the UK we are limited to 1390 pounds all up weight Bryan - slip of the digit there, I think - make that 1370 pounds. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson PFA #16532 | 750 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:33 AM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: 0-200 engine or 0-235 --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson At 2006-03-29 12:38 -0800 Mike Baker wrote: >Has anyone installed an 0-200 or an 0-235 yet? Mike - have a look at the flight hours and registrations lists on the Europa Club website to see some of the engine choces made by builders. The only O-200 installation that has flown in a Europa appears to be Claud Tugwell's A039, N295LC; but Ed Lindsay (A029) also plans to fit one at last report. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson (retiring) Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for info! | Europa 435 G-ROWI (750 hours building) PFA #16532 | e-mail website ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:56 PM PST US From: "Garry" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Sun n Fun Meet-ups --> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry" I'll be there for sure on Friday the 7th. See you all at 11:00! Garry Stout ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 8:16 PM Subject: Europa-List: Sun n Fun Meet-ups > --> Europa-List message posted by: Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com > > Having analyzed the responses from members attending the Sun n Fun event > in > Florida, there are two days when almost of those attending will be there. > These > are Tuesday the 5th April, and Friday the 7th April. > > Sticking to the consensus of meeting at the Europa Tent at 11 am will > optimize your chance of encountering friends of the faith. Please call in > to Europa, > hopefully John will have a recognizable badge for us > > I understand from Gary Stout that the locals cheat and go a day before it > opens. Perhaps Gary and his friends could be persuaded to pay the entrance > fee to > join us for one of those days, as well. We could always have a whip round. > > Hope to see you! Bryan > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:03 PM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Europa Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop & 912S --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" So that's another 3 lbs for battery cabling in addition to the controller and its wiring for the VP. But then the pilot looses weight from the worry and exercise of all that extra knob twiddling and log filling! Duncan McF do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Europa Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop & 912S > --> Europa-List message posted by: Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com > > Hi David. > > Well, there you go! > > I cannot verify the weight difference from where I am at the moment, but > I > do know that I had to move the battery back from the firewall to beneath > the > luggage bay to offset the weight difference. > > Cheers. Bryan > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:05:59 PM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: Sun n Fun Meet-ups --> Europa-List message posted by: jimpuglise@comcast.net I just got e-mail from Peter Jeffers on another list. He will be there Friday also, and it looks like I will be there at 11:00 Friday. Should be a big day! Jim Puglise, Punta Gorda FL A-283 -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Garry" > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry" > > I'll be there for sure on Friday the 7th. See you all at 11:00! > > Garry Stout > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 8:16 PM > Subject: Europa-List: Sun n Fun Meet-ups > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com > > > > Having analyzed the responses from members attending the Sun n Fun event > > in > > Florida, there are two days when almost of those attending will be there. > > These > > are Tuesday the 5th April, and Friday the 7th April. > > > > Sticking to the consensus of meeting at the Europa Tent at 11 am will > > optimize your chance of encountering friends of the faith. Please call in > > to Europa, > > hopefully John will have a recognizable badge for us > > > > I understand from Gary Stout that the locals cheat and go a day before it > > opens. Perhaps Gary and his friends could be persuaded to pay the entrance > > fee to > > join us for one of those days, as well. We could always have a whip round. > > > > Hope to see you! Bryan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just got e-mail from Peter Jeffers on another list. He will be there Friday also, and it looks like I will be there at 11:00 Friday. Should be a big day! Jim Puglise, Punta Gorda FL A-283 -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Garry" garrys@tampabay.rr.com -- Europa-List message posted by: "Garry" I'll be there for sure on Friday the 7th. See you all at 11:00! Garry Stout ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 8:16 PM Subject: Europa-List: Sun n Fun Meet-ups -- Europa-List message posted by: Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com Having analyzed the responses from members attending the Sun n Fun event in Florida, there are two days when almost of those attending will be there. These are Tuesday the 5th April, and Friday the 7th April. Sticking to the consensus of meeting at the Europa Tent at 11 am will optimize your chance of encountering friends of the faith. Please call in to Europa, hopefully John will have a recognizable badge for us I understand from Gary Stout that the locals cheat and go a day before it opens. Perhaps Gary and his friends could be persuaded to pay the entrance fee to join us for one of those days, as well. We could always have a whip round. Hope to see you! Bryan the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:58 PM PST US From: "Steve Crimm" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Sun N Fun --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" Sun N Fun er's Bobbi and I will be there Friday and Saturday. See you all then. Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John & Paddy Wigney Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 11:39 Subject: Europa-List: Sun N Fun --> Europa-List message posted by: John & Paddy Wigney --> Hi Jeff, Look forward to seeing you. I will be in the Homebuilt Camping area also. I plan to arrive on Monday and head out on Friday. Cheers, John N262WF, mono XS, 912S Mooresville NC 704-664-4167 **************** From: Rman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Sun n Fun Meet-ups Bryan and all, Wife Mary and I will be there, no later than Sunday, April 2nd. We will be camping in the Homebuilt camping area. Feel free to drop by, if you see Baby Blue. Always ready to visit with fellow Europaphiles... Jeff - N55XS - Baby Blue... !50 Hrs ******************** ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:23 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: Europa-List: Was Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop & 912S... Now MT CS PROP and Jabiru epistle! --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Duncan, All. Just a point of reflection .....I have quite a lot of Constant Speed experience having flown the MT Prop for going on 600 hours. The knob twiddling and log filling is of no worry or pressure what so ever! However the TBO is of major concern for the pocket or "plastic"! Especially so when you have a fully certified CS Prop.! It is of paramount importance to remember the phrase "with the benefit of hind sight" when examining my experience. I would briefly remind readers that perhaps as long as 7 years ago (before I could even fly!) a very qualified airline pilot made a statement to me ..."if ever I was to have my own aircraft it would be a major priority to have a CONSTANT SPEED PROP!" Just about that time Europa Aircraft were trialling .....a CONSTANT SPEED PROP on G-KITS...... In perhaps a fit of naivety I made a hasty decision to order the same prop. on the premise that you wouldn't buy a high performance car and put a crap transmission or gear box on it would you? I then became very enthralled with the concept of a new engine on the scene, not having a gear box, but somewhat untried (in fact it was on display at Cranfield Rally that year and caused immense interest, it was Serial No. 005 !) I bought it being flush at the time! .... But the only advice the promoter gave me about propeller choice was that until I became proficient as a flier I should not risk such an expensive prop. but take his Jabiru bog standard fixed pitch "cheapo" especially since they were intending to develop their own range of adjustable and CS props. To go with their engine! He made not once any mention of the science of Polar Moment of Inertia or limits of the crank shaft or strain resonance etc. and got my bullish response that the MT CS Prop. had cost an arm and a leg and as such it would be the only prop.it would fly with! Only then began a 12 month battle with the PFA Engineering, MT Propellers Gmbh and the Jabiru Chief. With me the "meat in the sandwich". I became embroiled even in almost a racialist dispute between Germans and "Ausies" when it was alleged that the Jabiru Propeller Flange was a "fatigue waiting to happen" and that there was no way 120 HP could be transmitted by 6 No. 3/8" cap screws fixing a flange to the available friction surface at the end of the crank shaft without the threads being in shear. The waist undercut at the end of the shaft would fail with the use of a 32lb Propeller with a Polar Moment of Inertia some 33% more that the notional figure slapped on the engine by the Jabiru Technical People! Thanks to the late Barry Mellor (The major designer of the Europa Fuselage Bless his soul) we ploughed through all obstacles like needing to produce special cold rolled aircraft quality ground shanked cap BOLTS with which to fix a special German made flange (a flywheel in its self!) c/w aircraft bushings which weighs about a further 5lbs and the need to hand reem out 5/16" OF THE THREAD FROM THE HOLES IN THE END OF THE CRANK to provide dowelled drive without the threads in shear. We then had to have the aircraft trailered to Bavaria for the MT factory to do free static resonance tests within the first 50 hours to honour their warranty. Although I by now had a PPL from a trip to Florida I hadn't yet been converted to a Europa or even flown it solo in the left seat (and MT didn't feel competent to fly) This test produced strain information which prohibited continuous use between 2100 and 2400 RPM (the Constant Speed facility was therefore to initially to prove it's worth in that whilst I was always aware of the restriction the controller watched out for me in a long descent. It also ensured there would be no overspeed of the propeller limit of 3000 RPM. It was by the way that I had to request MT for yet another free factory test (two technicians 3 days)to establish where the "avoid" range moved to in flight! (in fact it narrowed to 2150 to 2250)Incidentally a further freebie they kindly extended me was another visit to provide a very professional sound certificate (which our authorities don't accept as bonafide!) The Constant Speed facility gives a brilliant MAUW take off run in Fully Fine Pitch and a slow RPM in the cruise but necessitates the use of a Manifold pressure gauge to monitor the engine power, this was a source of major concern since Jabiru would never provide Power/Manifold Pressure graphs and since ambient pressures vary and pressure varies with altitude it was always difficult to know the engine loading or fuel usage. So you have the background to my current dilemma the Calendar TBO will be up in September and it is a small fortune! Viz:- I can buy three fixed pitch props.for the price! (although it has to be said MT Propellers Gmbh have been very professional throughout and in spite of the initial cost they don't "owe me a penny" especially with the "freebies" but the TBO cost just isn't viable) During this time I have endured lots of banter about fuel usage etc. and have slowly become used to employing a higher RPM engine setting mostly towards say 2650 RPM so improving fuel usage the CS is set to a maximum 2800 RPM.(so my CS requirement for fully fine takeoff and coarse cruise is somewhat now negated until I get a hot humid high wet grass field to depart from!) In preparation for the inevitable date with expense I yesterday flew to Southery (Under the Marham Matz) to take a look at a Sensenich two blade wooden prop. ...nice looking gear! On the way back I was able to engage Manual Control of the MT prop and take it up to it's max. 3000 RPM limit. Believe it or not I've never done this previously, in spite of the MT Pilot having momentarily taken the combination to 3,300 on the last test. I flew most of the return journey in this 3000 RPM mode with less than usual MP down to say 20" (it is usual to "square" MP with RPM ie:- 24"MP with 2400 RPM)and was surprised to find cruising at 120kts a piece of cake except oil temps were needing control. I had during later years managed to keep fuel usage down by limiting cruise speed to say 110kts. So the moral in the story is "horses for courses" perhaps I hadn't needed the CS prop all these years but the "hind sight" factor is still there! Yesterday I did notice though that with the CS Controller in "Manual" (nearly like a fixed pitch) needing to respect the maximum prop.speed of 3,000RPM called for a big input in throttle control of the RPM, something I've never needed to watch what so ever over the last 6 years ! So if it's not one knob you need to twiddle it's another !!!!! Hope this hasn't been boring and helps those who have yet to decide which way to go? First decide the type of flying you intend..... short field and or grass operation needing a "fully fine" setting changing to cruise at lower RPM ...or longer paved runways where take off thrust isn't so critical or conversely the operating temperatures and height of the runway too.... Then closely examine the depth of your "Pocket" or "Plastic".... Then the needs of the engine and output and climb rates.... then when you have a picture formed look at what's available! I have only experience of the one type that I have described but Airmaster seems to get good reviews and for what it's worth I have lots of respect for the Woodcomp having visited their factory and seen their technical capability (but Mark Burton has produced a more compact controller for panel mounting considerations). You do need a check ride to convert to Constant Speed or In Flight Adjustable procedure though and the controller limits of maximum and minimum need precise setting to allow "go round" in the event of the pitch change mechanism failing. Finally at the expense of flouting the forum rules ..... should anyone fancy an MT CS Prop. it is quite likely I'll have one we could do a deal on! After all your engine type or range of operation might be more suited? Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan McFadyean Sent: 30 March 2006 22:11 Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Europa Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop & 912S --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" So that's another 3 lbs for battery cabling in addition to the controller and its wiring for the VP. But then the pilot looses weight from the worry and exercise of all that extra knob twiddling and log filling! Duncan McF do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Europa Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop & 912S > --> Europa-List message posted by: Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com > > Hi David. > > Well, there you go! > > I cannot verify the weight difference from where I am at the moment, but > I > do know that I had to move the battery back from the firewall to beneath > the > luggage bay to offset the weight difference. > > Cheers. Bryan ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:26 PM PST US From: Rman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover --> Europa-List message posted by: Rman This is the simplist way to go about it. Being in the graphics business, I cut my own, but any graphics of vinyl sign shop will probably give you all the scraps you want. Simply cut with scissors, peal and stick. When it comes time to remove the pins, peal it off and replace once the wings are back on... Jeff - N55XS 150 hrs Paul McAllister wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" > >I had my local graphics shop make me a bunch. They made small ones to cover >the flap drive inspection holes as well. I don't recall the cost but it was >quite inexpensive. > >Paul > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:37 PM PST US From: SPurpura@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane Pip pin Cover --> Europa-List message posted by: SPurpura@aol.com I USE A WHITE PLASTIC CLEAN ROOM TAPE TO COVER HOLES AND IT COMES OFF EASY WITH NO RESIDUE LEFT BEHIND. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:46 PM PST US From: Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Europa Monowheel Performance with fixed pitch prop & 9... --> Europa-List message posted by: Bbryanallsop@wmconnect.com True, but it does not change the logic. Best regards Bryan