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1. 02:15 AM - Re: Tail plane Pip Pin Cover (Roger Sheridan)
2. 03:27 AM - Re: Tail plane Pip Pin Cover (Pete Lawless)
3. 05:04 AM - Re: Tail plane Pip Pin Cover (nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk)
4. 06:25 AM - Re: Tail plane Pip Pin Cover (Steve Crimm)
5. 06:42 AM - Re: Tail plane Pip Pin Cover (Paul McAllister)
6. 06:57 AM - paint finishing (Erich Trombley)
7. 08:02 AM - Re: Tail plane Pip Pin Cover (astills)
8. 08:55 AM - Re: Weight and balance form Europa XS (David Joyce)
9. 09:04 AM - Re: Tail plane Pip Pin Cover (Steve Crimm)
10. 09:50 AM - Weight and balance - Europa XS too ()
11. 09:53 AM - Warm Starting - Vapour Locking???? (Peter Rees)
12. 11:17 AM - Re: Wingtip trolley for XS (R.C.Harrison)
13. 01:29 PM - 914 Oil pressure (Dean Seitz)
14. 01:44 PM - Matronics Email List Wiki! (Matt Dralle)
15. 08:25 PM - Re: Warm Starting - Vapour Locking???? (Cliff Shaw)
16. 11:34 PM - Official Europa-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
17. 11:34 PM - Official Europa-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Tail plane Pip Pin Cover |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Roger Sheridan <rogerjohnsheridan@yahoo.co.uk>
I like that idea David, would you mind emailing me a pic or details
of the tool sometime please (no rush).
Much appreciated,
Roger
On 31 Mar 2006, at 11:07, David Joyce wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Richard, Apart from covers it's worth considering getting rid of
> the ring in
> the pip pins so that all of the holes can be much smaller. A small
> piece of
> steel in the hole the ring goes through allows you to fish the pip
> pin out
> and replace it with a tool that has a spiral groove that screws on
> to the
> pip pin and pulls up the central portion of it, thus disengaging
> the pips.
> The tool is only about a centimetre in diameter, (lives on the
> ignition key
> ring), and the access holes in the tail planes and wing roots only
> need to
> be slightly wider. This makes the system pretty much tamper proof,
> so that
> no passing youth can readily go off with a pip pin to see how well
> the plane
> flies without it, and also covering the hole with a small circle of
> sticky
> white plastic is neat and easy. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
>
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| Subject: | Tail plane Pip Pin Cover |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Even simpler, get rid of the ring and just make a hook from some stiff wire.
It's very easy to just hook the pins out. The same hook works on the wing
pins. This leaves you with a hole just big enough to get the pip pin down.
Pete
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| Subject: | Tail plane Pip Pin Cover |
--> Europa-List message posted by: nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk
It helps to mark the orientation of the hole on the head of the pip pin because
it is not easy to see when the pin is installed. I found that the small long
nosed pliers I carry in my travelling tool kit extract and insert the pins
with ease should a hook tool not be readily available.
Nigel Charles
>-- Original Message --
>From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tail plane Pip Pin Cover
>Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 12:23:23 +0100
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>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
>
>Even simpler, get rid of the ring and just make a hook from some stiff wire.
>It's very easy to just hook the pins out. The same hook works on the wing
>pins. This leaves you with a hole just big enough to get the pip pin down.
>
>Pete
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Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup!
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/
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| Subject: | Tail plane Pip Pin Cover |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
Go to my gallery on the Europa Owners site and you will see a couple of pics
of "Split-Ring" pliers. They are just the thing with a flat arm on one side
and the other is bent at 90 degrees it does the perfect job.
Here is the link
http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album48&op=modload&nam
e=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php
Steve
N42AH
A058
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 08:01
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tail plane Pip Pin Cover
--> Europa-List message posted by: nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk
It helps to mark the orientation of the hole on the head of the pip pin
because it is not easy to see when the pin is installed. I found that the
small long nosed pliers I carry in my travelling tool kit extract and insert
the pins with ease should a hook tool not be readily available.
Nigel Charles
>-- Original Message --
>From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tail plane Pip Pin Cover
>Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 12:23:23 +0100
>
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
>
>Even simpler, get rid of the ring and just make a hook from some stiff
wire.
>It's very easy to just hook the pins out. The same hook works on the
>wing pins. This leaves you with a hole just big enough to get the pip pin
down.
>
>Pete
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>
Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup!
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/
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| Subject: | Tail plane Pip Pin Cover |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi All,
Some time ago "somewhere" I saw some photographs where a pair of long nosed
pliers were modified so the ends of the were bent / ground so that the would
go into the holes in side of he pip pin where the ring normally goes. It
seemed to be a neat idea, does this ring a bell with anyone ?
Paul
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Erich Trombley" <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
Regarding paint for your bird... I used Sherwin Williams Acry Glow an Acrylic Urethane
which I highly recommend. It is a true aircraft paint and is resistant
to most, if not all, solvents and fuels found on a plane. Very easy to apply
for the novice painter, yet professional results are not uncommon. See archives
for more info on painting with this product which I posted several years
ago.
Erich Trombley
N28ET Classic Mono 914
Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!
Regarding paint for your bird... I used Sherwin Williams Acry Glowan Acrylic Urethane
which I highly recommend. It is atrue aircraft paint and is resistant to
most, if not all, solvents and fuels found on a plane. Very easy to apply for
the novice painter, yet professional results are not uncommon. See archives
for more info on painting with this product which I posted several years ago.
Erich Trombley
N28ET Classic Mono 914
Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!
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| Subject: | Tail plane Pip Pin Cover |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "astills" <astills@cox.net>
Paul,
I also saw that photo and made a pair of the long nose pliers for the pip
pins. Just get a pair of needle
nose pliers and cut off one end, then bend the other "long" end over so it
touches. Works great on
the pip pins. Take out the ring and you have a great remove and installer.
Al Stills
N625AZ
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul
McAllister
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 7:41 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tail plane Pip Pin Cover
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi All,
Some time ago "somewhere" I saw some photographs where a pair of long nosed
pliers were modified so the ends of the were bent / ground so that the would
go into the holes in side of he pip pin where the ring normally goes. It
seemed to be a neat idea, does this ring a bell with anyone ?
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Weight and balance form Europa XS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Mike, It's in the Pilot's Handbook, section 6 of my version. Regards, David
Joyce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Baker" <galahav@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 2:45 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Weight and balance form Europa XS
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Mike Baker <galahav@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi All,
> Where is the weight and balance form for the aircraft?
> Thanks,
> Mike Baker
> 2 years and still gathering info
>
>
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| Subject: | Tail plane Pip Pin Cover |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
Paul,
Those were my pliers that I did. What happens was that the metal was
hardened and the bend didn't last. Then I found the split ring pliers at
Bass Pro Shot and they are perfect.
Steve
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul McAllister
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 09:41
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tail plane Pip Pin Cover
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
--> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi All,
Some time ago "somewhere" I saw some photographs where a pair of long nosed
pliers were modified so the ends of the were bent / ground so that the would
go into the holes in side of he pip pin where the ring normally goes. It
seemed to be a neat idea, does this ring a bell with anyone ?
Paul
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| Subject: | Weight and balance - Europa XS too |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
The Pilot's Handbook that came with my XS has information for flying at
1370 lbs.
I saw a blurb somewhere or other that if flying at 1450lbs it was
reccomended to move aft CG parameters 1 inch more forward.
Do folk flying at 1450lbs with short wings observe POH parameters of aft
CG, or 1 inch more forward?
Those flying over 1450lbs?
How about XS with Long Wings?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Warm Starting - Vapour Locking???? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Rees" <peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk>
Having reassembled G-MFHI, it would seem that our cold starting problems
were due to the adjustment of the torsion vibration damper and thanks to
Conrad, these problems are now behind us.
I've been doing some ground runs to be sure that we can develop and maintain
full power - the first test is great - full power for two minutes, throttle
back and it idles nicely.
When I start again from warm, its a cow to start - sounds like an old bus -
then when it does get going, runs great at 2,3 and 4k but at 5000 RPM, I get
a sudden and quite substantial (300) drop in RPM - Eventually, this goes
away and again, it seems fine.
Is this the infamous vapour locking (I'm currently running on the 2 month
old mogas that was in there) - will this go away with spring / summer
formulation or the cooling I get from flight as opposed to running it on the
ground.
Does anyone have any thoughts on reducing this - we have firesleeve on the
fuel lines but they do run very close to the oil retun pipe (hot side of the
oil cooler).
Regards
Peter
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| Subject: | Wingtip trolley for XS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Andrew
Don't know if it will help but take a look at mine on
http://www.crix.org.uk
Select "Bob Harrison's Europa" and scroll down to "Wing Dolly" and
"Rigging Aids" Photos aren't brilliant but the message gets across !
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
Sarangan
Sent: 01 April 2006 06:31
Subject: Europa-List: Wingtip trolley for XS
--> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com>
Has anyone made a XS wingtip trolley like the one Chuck Popenoe had
constructed for the classic wings?
Andrew Sarangan
http://www.sarangan.org
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| Subject: | 914 Oil pressure |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Seitz" <daseitz@cfl.rr.com>
My 914 has developed a fluctuation on the oil pressure gauge recently. I
have a UMA 1 1/2" gauge with the rotax sender. The gauge is very sensitive
and will fluctuate wildly sometimes. I tried another sender with same
results. No wiring problem found anywhere. Today I installed a mechanical
oil pressure gauge to see what it did. While flying it does fluctuate a
little, not wildly like the electric probably due to the dampening effect of
the very small diameter long oil line going to the gauge. It looks like the
problem is in the oil system not the gauge.
Has anyone had this kind of bouncing of the oil pressure in their 914?
What did you find was the cause?
Thanks
Dean Seitz
N284A XS Tri 914 Airmaster CS
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| Subject: | Matronics Email List Wiki! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
I have added a new feature to the Email List Forums at Matronics called a Wiki. What's "Wiki" you ask? A Wiki is a website. You go to it and browse just like you would any other web site. The difference is, you can change it. You can put anything you want on this web site without having to be a web designer or even being the owner. You can write a new page just like writing an email message on the BBS. You don't need to send it off to anyone to install on the site. It is kind of like a Blog (weblog) in which anyone can post. Here is a great page on where the term Wiki came from and what it means in the context of a website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki
So on to the new Matronics Email List Wiki... I've created this site for anyone
from any of the Email Lists to use. I envision that there are a great many
things that can be added to this new Wiki since there are always new and interesting
tidbits of useful information traversing the Lists.
Off the main Matronics Email List Wiki page, you will find a link called "Community
Portal". Here you will find more links to stubs for all the various Lists
found at Matronics (and a few other links). Brian Lloyd and others from the
Yak-List have already begun adding content in a number of areas. Bob Nuckolls
of AeroElectric fame has added a great article on "Ageing Aircraft".
I have discussed the new Matronics Email List Wiki with Tedd McHenry and Dwight Frye of the RV Wiki Site and they have decided to merge their site over onto the new Matronics Wiki server giving everyone a single source for information on RV building and flying! This migration will begin today and you should be able to find all of the content currently found at www.rvwiki.org moved over to the Matronics Wiki within a few days.
To make edits to the Matronics Wiki, you will need to have a login account on the
Matronics Wiki and I have disabled anonymous edits. This protects the Wiki
site from automated spam engines and other nuisances that could compromise the
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Signing up for an account is fast and easy and begins by clicking on the "create
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The Matronics Email List Wiki is YOUR Wiki! It is only as useful as the content
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Here is a users guide on using the Wiki implemented at Matronics: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents This gives a lot of great information on how to get started editing pages.
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Brian Lloyd has written an excellent introduction to Wikis on the front page.
I encourage you to read it over, then drill into the "Community Portal" and HAVE
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Best regards,
Matt Dralle
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| Subject: | Re: Warm Starting - Vapour Locking???? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Peter
It is good to hear a solution to one of those mister Rotax problems.
Now you have a new one ! :(
I have experienced something like that on my 914S , at times. I attributed it
to fouled plug "syndrome". It occurs after a long taxi and goes away in just
a minute after full power has been set.
I have started to do my shut-down at the end of taxi a little different now to
help with this problem. I "kick" the throttle just a bit before turning off the
ignitions (together). It has not happened since I started this procedure.
On a side note relating to this : While inspecting my plugs doing my annual, I
saw small globs of "lead" (?) in the space around the electrodes. I burn 100LL
about a third of the time. I replaced the plugs and will check again before
I use any more 100LL.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
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I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
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or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
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content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
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The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
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One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Europa-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Europa-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Europa-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Europa-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Europa-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Europa-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Europa-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Europa-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Europa-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Europa
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to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
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available List archives.
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!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
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for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
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Europa-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Europa-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Europa-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Europa-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Europa-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
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- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Europa-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Europa-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Europa-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Europa-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Europa-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Europa-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Europa-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Europa-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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