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1. 03:10 AM - Re: Weight and balance - Europa XS too (Richard Holder)
2. 08:36 AM - Re: Weight and balance - Europa XS too (Fred Klein)
3. 10:53 AM - Diesel-Air engines??? (EuropaChris)
4. 01:30 PM - Re: Diesel-Air engines??? (Duncan McFadyean)
5. 02:04 PM - Re: Your picture (paul.mcallister@qia.net)
6. 02:40 PM - Re: Diesel-Air engines??? (BEBERRY@aol.com)
7. 10:32 PM - Third of April fool! ()
8. 11:50 PM - Re: Third of April fool! (Kingsley Hurst)
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Subject: | Re: Weight and balance - Europa XS too |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
> In answer to the query about the aft C of G parameters
> of the Europa XS, when operating the craft at a gross
> over 1370 lbs: I fly C-GGHY within the C of G range
> recommended in the Pilots Handbook and do so up to a
> gross of 1500 lbs. but tend to stay approx. 1" away
> from the aft limit. This tendency is not based on
> scientific calculations. In my earlier life, as a
> military test pilot, I was aware that if you increase
> the wing loading of a given model, the C of G range
> shrinks. The dynamic & static longitudinal stability of
> the XS up to 1500 lbs. gross, is very acceptable across
> the airspeed range flown.
I am interested in your statement "I fly C-GGHY within the
C of G range recommended in the Pilots Handbook and do so
up to a gross of 1500 lbs"
Where in the Europa supplied POH does it permit 1500 lbs ?
In the UK it is 1370 only and I understood that 1450 was
permitted in the land of the free (and Experimental).
The Europa supplied graph of weight and balance is
constrained by BOTH C of G _and_ total weight.
The maximums are not really to deal with normal cruise or
climb but are restrictions based on turbulence and less
consistent conditions.
Richard
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Subject: | Re: Weight and balance - Europa XS too |
Cc: amhd@shaw.ca
--> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Richard,
Alex Bowman's Europa XS is registered in Canada; my understanding is
that the Canadian authorities offer considerable latitude w/ regard to
max. gross weights of experimental aircraft. You're quite right in
noting that the Europa POH makes no provisions for flying at 1500 lbs,
nor does Alex imply that that is so...as I read his statement as
posted, he has calculated his C of G and kept it within the range given
in the POH albeit 1" short of the aft limit.
I'm happy to forward any queries you might have to Alex, and with the
coming of spring, Alex has told me that one of his priorities is to
produce some flight data over a broad range of conditions which I'll be
happy to share with the forum when it's available. As you may know,
Alex's plane is powered with a Honda-based, CAM 125 engine; I've posted
a number of pictures on the matronics photoshare w/ some comments.
Fred
On Monday, April 3, 2006, at 02:59 AM, Richard Holder wrote:
> I am interested in your statement "I fly C-GGHY within the
> C of G range recommended in the Pilots Handbook and do so
> up to a gross of 1500 lbs"
>
> Where in the Europa supplied POH does it permit 1500 lbs ?
> Richard
>
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Subject: | Diesel-Air engines??? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "EuropaChris" <n9zes@verizon.net>
In my never ending quest for diesel power (two cars and a backup generator for the house), I ran across this company in the UK (http://www.dair.co.uk/) that makes a 100 hp. diesel aircraft engine. It seems well suited for a Europa (it's currently flying on a Luscombe).
I've not heard of them before, and wondering if anyone has any good info that's
not sales hype, etc.
Heck, might be a fun engine to put in our C-140 when the Continental gets tired...
Chris
A159
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Subject: | Re: Diesel-Air engines??? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
I was offered a prototype to install in a EUropa, albeit at that time it was
"estimated" at 100kg weight (+exhaust, +radiators, +water, +oil, +heavier
battery, +bigger battery etc ..and so it goes...).
However, both this engine and (IMHO) the WAM are to heavy for a Europa, if
it is to retain its originally intended "mission profile".
But if you enjoy experimenting and are prepared to compromise the overall
performance of the Europa, then it could be for you!
This comment will open old wounds, but look at just how successful the
Subaru has been (or why is it that Subaru-Europas command a relatively poor
resale value, sometimes with the statement "..would make good Rotax
conversion project....").
Duncan McF.
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From: "EuropaChris" <n9zes@verizon.net>
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:48 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Diesel-Air engines???
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "EuropaChris" <n9zes@verizon.net>
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> In my never ending quest for diesel power (two cars and a backup generator
> for the house), I ran across this company in the UK
> (http://www.dair.co.uk/) that makes a 100 hp. diesel aircraft engine. It
> seems well suited for a Europa (it's currently flying on a Luscombe).
>
> I've not heard of them before, and wondering if anyone has any good info
> that's not sales hype, etc.
>
> Heck, might be a fun engine to put in our C-140 when the Continental gets
> tired...
>
> Chris
> A159
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Subject: | Re: Your picture |
--> Europa-List message posted by: paul.mcallister@qia.net
See the attached file for details.
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Subject: | Re: Diesel-Air engines??? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
Great idea - until you look at the price!
Patrick
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Subject: | Third of April fool! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
This could have been a OK April fools joke had it been on the first, but
this is real and I am the fool!
Innocent enough task at hand, drill and fit the Torque Tube plastic
spacers.
To take measurements a extra set of hands would have been helpful, nobody
around.
OK got all things in position after some fiddling, just bout ready to take
measurement, and I feel something in my eye. OK just close left eye and
squint hard for a second to get measurement. Just bout there, and things
go further downhill. I am working very close to rear bulkhead, although
BID layups were looked at and sanded, there was 1 single BID spire that
decided it wanted to live between my right middle fingernail and the soft
flesh below. I knew what happened but figured I could still get
measurement. OK 1 more painful squint and I get measurement.
Things get worst, trying to remove my middle finger gently does nothing
more than break off the spire under my fingernail. A painful squint was
not good enough for surgery to stop pain in fingernail. OK take a walk to
bathroom 10 hangars away and across taxiway. Get to bathroom and just not
enough light. Back to my hangar and get a bright light, back to bathroom
and easily get out 1 eyelash. Still pain? After fishing out another
eyelash with the fuzzy end of a cardboard match (this works great by the
way) my eye is free of debris but red and painful. Back to hangar and
manage to surgically remove spire, but not after causing a bit of trauma
under fingernail.
OK finish up spacers and home I go. After filing and sanding the starboard
spacer to get full contact with the bushing, I needed to make a aluminium
spacer. No biggie, crank up the lathe and make some chips. After using a
cutoff tool to remove my .035" spacer decide to smooth out the cut off
side. Things begin to get even worst. My left eye is still red and sore,
and my right middle finger still hurts. It ends up that I am right handed.
The easiest way to sand my spacer is to use right middle finger, right
fore finger and right thumb. I could not do it with left hand. I tried
double sticky backing as a holder, no good. I just took a bit of pain as
my middle finger was the real tool of the hour. Every agonizing stroke
took off some nail.
OK nice job and pain was no worst than before sanding. Little did I know I
sanded away my nail so it was now exposing the small trauma area.
Things get worst. Since my hands were covered with cutting fluid, over to
the kitchen sink and crank up very hot water, wet my hands and get them
good and hot and get ready to wash up with Palmolive dish-washing
detergent that is good at cutting grease and soft on your hands. IT IS NOT
SO SOFT ON TRAUMA UNDER YOUR MIDDLE FINGERNAIL. I put some on my hands and
OOOOWWWWW, never had this much from soap, ever. I shake my right hand
wild, and although I had glasses on, somehow a glob managed to promptly
direct itself, missing my glasses into my left eye. OOOOWWWW, OK cold
water to flush out eye, but first need to get dish-washing detergent soap
off my hands. OOOOWWWW hurts even worst, the cold must have aided sucking
soap direct deep into wound. Being a pilot, if you do something and it
causes a adverse reaction, reverse what you did. Hot water did nothing.
Can't make this stuff up!
In my 48 years "I" have on occasional stuck my middle finger at life, this
is the first time "Life" stuck my middle finger.
Ron Parigoris
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Subject: | Third of April fool! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Ron,
Sounds like you might have had a bad day!
Hope you don't mind my laughing but it was a good story and I couldn't
help but see the funny side of it. I guess you will too in a week or
two !
Hope everything mends Ok.
Best regards
Kingsley in Oz
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