---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/03/06: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:10 AM - Re: Weight and balance - Europa XS too (Richard Holder) 2. 08:36 AM - Re: Weight and balance - Europa XS too (Fred Klein) 3. 10:53 AM - Diesel-Air engines??? (EuropaChris) 4. 01:30 PM - Re: Diesel-Air engines??? (Duncan McFadyean) 5. 02:04 PM - Re: Your picture (paul.mcallister@qia.net) 6. 02:40 PM - Re: Diesel-Air engines??? (BEBERRY@aol.com) 7. 10:32 PM - Third of April fool! () 8. 11:50 PM - Re: Third of April fool! (Kingsley Hurst) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:10:12 AM PST US From: Richard Holder Subject: Re: Europa-List: Weight and balance - Europa XS too --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder > In answer to the query about the aft C of G parameters > of the Europa XS, when operating the craft at a gross > over 1370 lbs: I fly C-GGHY within the C of G range > recommended in the Pilots Handbook and do so up to a > gross of 1500 lbs. but tend to stay approx. 1" away > from the aft limit. This tendency is not based on > scientific calculations. In my earlier life, as a > military test pilot, I was aware that if you increase > the wing loading of a given model, the C of G range > shrinks. The dynamic & static longitudinal stability of > the XS up to 1500 lbs. gross, is very acceptable across > the airspeed range flown. I am interested in your statement "I fly C-GGHY within the C of G range recommended in the Pilots Handbook and do so up to a gross of 1500 lbs" Where in the Europa supplied POH does it permit 1500 lbs ? In the UK it is 1370 only and I understood that 1450 was permitted in the land of the free (and Experimental). The Europa supplied graph of weight and balance is constrained by BOTH C of G _and_ total weight. The maximums are not really to deal with normal cruise or climb but are restrictions based on turbulence and less consistent conditions. Richard ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Weight and balance - Europa XS too Cc: amhd@shaw.ca From: Fred Klein --> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein Richard, Alex Bowman's Europa XS is registered in Canada; my understanding is that the Canadian authorities offer considerable latitude w/ regard to max. gross weights of experimental aircraft. You're quite right in noting that the Europa POH makes no provisions for flying at 1500 lbs, nor does Alex imply that that is so...as I read his statement as posted, he has calculated his C of G and kept it within the range given in the POH albeit 1" short of the aft limit. I'm happy to forward any queries you might have to Alex, and with the coming of spring, Alex has told me that one of his priorities is to produce some flight data over a broad range of conditions which I'll be happy to share with the forum when it's available. As you may know, Alex's plane is powered with a Honda-based, CAM 125 engine; I've posted a number of pictures on the matronics photoshare w/ some comments. Fred On Monday, April 3, 2006, at 02:59 AM, Richard Holder wrote: > I am interested in your statement "I fly C-GGHY within the > C of G range recommended in the Pilots Handbook and do so > up to a gross of 1500 lbs" > > Where in the Europa supplied POH does it permit 1500 lbs ? > Richard > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:17 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Diesel-Air engines??? From: "EuropaChris" --> Europa-List message posted by: "EuropaChris" In my never ending quest for diesel power (two cars and a backup generator for the house), I ran across this company in the UK (http://www.dair.co.uk/) that makes a 100 hp. diesel aircraft engine. It seems well suited for a Europa (it's currently flying on a Luscombe). I've not heard of them before, and wondering if anyone has any good info that's not sales hype, etc. Heck, might be a fun engine to put in our C-140 when the Continental gets tired... Chris A159 ---------------- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:30:41 PM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Diesel-Air engines??? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" I was offered a prototype to install in a EUropa, albeit at that time it was "estimated" at 100kg weight (+exhaust, +radiators, +water, +oil, +heavier battery, +bigger battery etc ..and so it goes...). However, both this engine and (IMHO) the WAM are to heavy for a Europa, if it is to retain its originally intended "mission profile". But if you enjoy experimenting and are prepared to compromise the overall performance of the Europa, then it could be for you! This comment will open old wounds, but look at just how successful the Subaru has been (or why is it that Subaru-Europas command a relatively poor resale value, sometimes with the statement "..would make good Rotax conversion project...."). Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "EuropaChris" Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:48 PM Subject: Europa-List: Diesel-Air engines??? > --> Europa-List message posted by: "EuropaChris" > > In my never ending quest for diesel power (two cars and a backup generator > for the house), I ran across this company in the UK > (http://www.dair.co.uk/) that makes a 100 hp. diesel aircraft engine. It > seems well suited for a Europa (it's currently flying on a Luscombe). > > I've not heard of them before, and wondering if anyone has any good info > that's not sales hype, etc. > > Heck, might be a fun engine to put in our C-140 when the Continental gets > tired... > > Chris > A159 > ---------------- > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:52 PM PST US From: paul.mcallister@qia.net Subject: Europa-List: Re: Your picture --> Europa-List message posted by: paul.mcallister@qia.net See the attached file for details. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:40:37 PM PST US From: BEBERRY@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Diesel-Air engines??? --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com Great idea - until you look at the price! Patrick ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:32:07 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Third of April fool! From: --> Europa-List message posted by: This could have been a OK April fools joke had it been on the first, but this is real and I am the fool! Innocent enough task at hand, drill and fit the Torque Tube plastic spacers. To take measurements a extra set of hands would have been helpful, nobody around. OK got all things in position after some fiddling, just bout ready to take measurement, and I feel something in my eye. OK just close left eye and squint hard for a second to get measurement. Just bout there, and things go further downhill. I am working very close to rear bulkhead, although BID layups were looked at and sanded, there was 1 single BID spire that decided it wanted to live between my right middle fingernail and the soft flesh below. I knew what happened but figured I could still get measurement. OK 1 more painful squint and I get measurement. Things get worst, trying to remove my middle finger gently does nothing more than break off the spire under my fingernail. A painful squint was not good enough for surgery to stop pain in fingernail. OK take a walk to bathroom 10 hangars away and across taxiway. Get to bathroom and just not enough light. Back to my hangar and get a bright light, back to bathroom and easily get out 1 eyelash. Still pain? After fishing out another eyelash with the fuzzy end of a cardboard match (this works great by the way) my eye is free of debris but red and painful. Back to hangar and manage to surgically remove spire, but not after causing a bit of trauma under fingernail. OK finish up spacers and home I go. After filing and sanding the starboard spacer to get full contact with the bushing, I needed to make a aluminium spacer. No biggie, crank up the lathe and make some chips. After using a cutoff tool to remove my .035" spacer decide to smooth out the cut off side. Things begin to get even worst. My left eye is still red and sore, and my right middle finger still hurts. It ends up that I am right handed. The easiest way to sand my spacer is to use right middle finger, right fore finger and right thumb. I could not do it with left hand. I tried double sticky backing as a holder, no good. I just took a bit of pain as my middle finger was the real tool of the hour. Every agonizing stroke took off some nail. OK nice job and pain was no worst than before sanding. Little did I know I sanded away my nail so it was now exposing the small trauma area. Things get worst. Since my hands were covered with cutting fluid, over to the kitchen sink and crank up very hot water, wet my hands and get them good and hot and get ready to wash up with Palmolive dish-washing detergent that is good at cutting grease and soft on your hands. IT IS NOT SO SOFT ON TRAUMA UNDER YOUR MIDDLE FINGERNAIL. I put some on my hands and OOOOWWWWW, never had this much from soap, ever. I shake my right hand wild, and although I had glasses on, somehow a glob managed to promptly direct itself, missing my glasses into my left eye. OOOOWWWW, OK cold water to flush out eye, but first need to get dish-washing detergent soap off my hands. OOOOWWWW hurts even worst, the cold must have aided sucking soap direct deep into wound. Being a pilot, if you do something and it causes a adverse reaction, reverse what you did. Hot water did nothing. Can't make this stuff up! In my 48 years "I" have on occasional stuck my middle finger at life, this is the first time "Life" stuck my middle finger. Ron Parigoris Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:50:21 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Third of April fool! --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" Ron, Sounds like you might have had a bad day! Hope you don't mind my laughing but it was a good story and I couldn't help but see the funny side of it. I guess you will too in a week or two ! Hope everything mends Ok. Best regards Kingsley in Oz Do not archive