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1. 01:46 AM - Re: Diesel-Air engines??? (nigel charles)
2. 01:46 AM - Re: Diesel-Air engines??? (UVTReith@aol.com)
3. 05:48 AM - Re: Re: Re: Diesel-Air engines??? (Chris Beck)
4. 06:24 AM - Source for factory trailer UK number plates (Paul Sweeting)
5. 07:12 AM - Re: DOTH Panshanger Thu. 6th (David Joyce)
6. 09:07 AM - Re: Source for factory trailer UK number plates (Pete Lawless)
7. 09:07 AM - Re: DOTH Panshanger Thu. 6th (Pete Lawless)
8. 09:44 AM - Re: Source for factory trailer UK number plates (Paul Sweeting)
9. 09:52 AM - Re: DOTH Panshanger Thu. 6th (Paul Sweeting)
10. 12:38 PM - Re: DOTH Panshanger Thu. 6th (Duncan McFadyean)
11. 01:39 PM - DOTH Panshanger Thu. 6th (Paddy Clarke)
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| Subject: | Diesel-Air engines??? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk>
>Thanks for the comments everyone. The Rotax is a great engine and a
good match for the Europa, indeed. But, to me, "real engines don't have
sparkplugs". I'll put a diesel wherever I can.<
If you are set on having a diesel you might be better considering the
Wilksch as it has already flown in a Europa. This might save you a lot
of development work. As Ivan Shaw said, there is often more work in
installing a new engine type than building the airframe.
If your Europa is a monowheel I would be especially cautious about
fitting a heavier engine for two reasons.
1. An aft C of G with the monowheel eases handling during take-off and
landing. To keep the C of G aft with a heavy engine will need the
battery right back in the tail, especially if a well equipped panel
and/or a VP prop are fitted.
2. The extra inertia in both the directional and the pitching axis does
make a monowheel slightly more difficult to control particularly on hard
runways. There was quite a noticeable increase of incidents in the early
days of Subaru powered monowheel Europas on hard runways. Diesel engines
and Lycomings weigh in at or greater than the Subaru.
I think the future for light aviation is the diesel but the Europa is
the wrong airframe. Now that it is possible to get diesels around the
weight of an equivalent Lycoming the time has come for companies such as
Thielert, Wilksch, Delta Hawk and Diesel-Air. To use any of these
engines successfully you need to start with an airframe which was
designed for an engine of this sort of weight. Here in Europe some of
the Cessnas and Pipers which are coming up for engine overhaul are
substituting the Thielert, particularly in club a/c which get a lot of
flying hours. As well as the fuel being cheaper, as with car diesels,
the efficiency is significantly greater. It is also now possible to buy
a Robin aircraft with a diesel fitted.
Looking at kitplanes, the latest design to offer a diesel is the Lambert
Mission. As well as the usual Lycoming they are also producing a version
with a Delta Hawk diesel. As this aircraft is a 4 seater it is quite a
logical step up for those who wish to have a modern design, like the
Europa, but with a greater payload.
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Re: Diesel-Air engines??? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: UVTReith@aol.com
Hello, to all.
ecofly offers beside the smart-Brabus engine also a diesel-engine version.
Power is only 60HP but with a high torque moment.
They sold recently some of this engines to the US Airforce for missiles.
Total firewall forward weigh, filled, with all parts incl. motorframe,
except prop is about 100 kg.
Beside this there is an electronic motor management system.
All to see - also in english - under _www.ecofly.de_ (http://www.ecofly.de)
Have a nice "Europa" time.
Best Regards,
Bruno Reith / UVT Reith
XS monwheel, short wing with smart-Brabus engine/Woodcomp 3-blade fix.
Ready early summer.
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| Subject: | Re: Diesel-Air engines??? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Chris Beck <n9zes@verizon.net>
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk>
Looking at kitplanes, the latest design to offer a diesel is the Lambert
Mission. As well as the usual Lycoming they are also producing a version
with a Delta Hawk diesel. As this aircraft is a 4 seater it is quite a
logical step up for those who wish to have a modern design, like the
Europa, but with a greater payload.
Nigel Charles
---> Good point Nigel. I agree that since we have the monowheel, we want to stay
as close as possible to the original design weights. I really enjoy the ease
of handling on the ground our C-140 has, so I hope our monowheel has the same
relatively easy handling.
Indeed, a 4 place plane should be our next project, after the Europa, as now we
have the need to haul an extra person plus luggage to go on family trips. The
Europa won't do, unless we fly both the 140 and the Europa. Fun, but not practical
considering the wide difference in cruise speeds.
Looks like I'll have an excuse to build another plane when we finish the Europa.
Oh darn! :-)
Chris
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| Subject: | Source for factory trailer UK number plates |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Sweeting" <europa@percyville.plus.com>
There was a conversation several weeks ago seeking sources for motorbike
sized plates for the factory trailer now the law has changed.
I=92ve come across http://www.demonplates.com/ which do an internet order
service and will supply plates of all sizes.
They seem to specialise in the non-legal boy racer type plates, so ordering
a legal plate from them should be a doddle..
Cheers
Paul Sweeting
Kits 558+575
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH Panshanger Thu. 6th |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Paddy, I am up for that although I am seeing dentist at 10.55 so may be a
touch late. Regards, David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paddy Clarke" <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:41 PM
Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Panshanger Thu. 6th
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
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> Hi Folks,
> I know we may be a bit short of takers due to the big event over the
> pond this week, but how about a DOTH to Panshanger on Thursday (6th).
> Voucher in Flyer - and awesome apple pie for lunch !.
> Cheers, Paddy
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> Paddy Clarke
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> Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
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| Subject: | Source for factory trailer UK number plates |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
What's the problem with your local motorbike shop? That's where mine came
from 3 weeks ago.
Regards
Pete
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| Subject: | DOTH Panshanger Thu. 6th |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Hi Paddy
Seems I can get a half day pass so I am on for that. What time?
Pete
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| Subject: | Source for factory trailer UK number plates |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Sweeting" <europa@percyville.plus.com>
There was some issue of some plate makers refusing to produce a motorbike
plate when you produced car registration documents.
Think they went to Halfords...!
Just found the thread it was >Re: Europa-List: monowheel trailer
Cheers
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
Sent: 05 April 2006 17:04
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Source for factory trailer UK number plates
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
What's the problem with your local motorbike shop? That's where mine came
from 3 weeks ago.
Regards
Pete
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| Subject: | DOTH Panshanger Thu. 6th |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul Sweeting" <europa@percyville.plus.com>
Surrounding airspace is interesting....
http://www.northlondonflyingschool.com/Location/Images/Stansted_Pansanger%20
map.pdf
Cheers
Paul
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce
Sent: 05 April 2006 15:09
Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH Panshanger Thu. 6th
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Paddy, I am up for that although I am seeing dentist at 10.55 so may be a
touch late. Regards, David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paddy Clarke" <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:41 PM
Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Panshanger Thu. 6th
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
>
> Hi Folks,
> I know we may be a bit short of takers due to the big event over the
> pond this week, but how about a DOTH to Panshanger on Thursday (6th).
> Voucher in Flyer - and awesome apple pie for lunch !.
> Cheers, Paddy
>
>
> Paddy Clarke
>
> Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> National Patient Safety Agency - supporting Doctors.net.uk members in safe
practice.
> http://www.doctors.net.uk/NPSA
> _______________________________________________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH Panshanger Thu. 6th |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Went there today; but had to be at a mtg. in Welwyn.
Hope the Wx is as nice for you tomorrow!
Duncan McF.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paddy Clarke" <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:41 PM
Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Panshanger Thu. 6th
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
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> Hi Folks,
> I know we may be a bit short of takers due to the big event over the
> pond this week, but how about a DOTH to Panshanger on Thursday (6th).
> Voucher in Flyer - and awesome apple pie for lunch !.
> Cheers, Paddy
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> Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
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| Subject: | DOTH Panshanger Thu. 6th |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Hi Pete and anyone else who can make it,
Time as usual 1200ish ( local )
Cheers, Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
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