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1. 02:41 AM - Re: Supplied cable is not 1/8 (josok)
2. 02:41 AM - Re: Siun-N-Fun was fun... (josok)
3. 02:53 AM - Re: Rotax 914 fuel pump flow (Jan de Jong)
4. 04:16 AM - Flying - day trip to France sat 22 april (DaveBuzz@aol.com)
5. 05:31 AM - Re: Supplied cable is not 1/8", how do you nico? (Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com)
6. 05:49 AM - Re: Supplied cable is not 1/8", how do you nico? ()
7. 09:28 AM - Supplied cable is not 1/8", how do you nico? (Erich Trombley)
8. 10:20 AM - Re: Alodine 1200 (Flying Farmer)
9. 11:03 AM - Re: Re: Siun-N-Fun was fun... (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
10. 11:08 AM - Re: Re: Supplied cable is not 1/8 (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
11. 11:09 AM - Re: Re: Siun-N-Fun was fun... (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
12. 11:20 AM - Re: Re: Supplied cable is not 1/8 (NevEyre@aol.com)
13. 12:19 PM - Re: Rotax 914 fuel pump flow (Jan de Jong)
14. 12:19 PM - Re: Supplied cable is not 1/8 (josok)
15. 02:23 PM - Re: Re: Alodine 1200 (Brian Davies)
16. 02:31 PM - Re: Re: Supplied cable is not 1/8 ()
17. 03:39 PM - Re: Interior kits WAS Sun-N-Fun was fun... (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
18. 05:01 PM - Re: Interior kits WAS Sun-N-Fun was fun... (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
19. 07:21 PM - Skin deformation around fuel inlet (Timothy.P.Ward)
20. 11:38 PM - Re: Re: Siun-N-Fun was fun - EFIS (Keith Hickling)
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| Subject: | RE: Supplied cable is not 1/8 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Hi Ron,
Just measured my cable, it is not 1/8 either, i think the cable is specified as
19 x 1 or something like that. However with the 1/8 swaging tool and the supplied
thimbles it became rigid. It's tested to be ok. There is a measuring tool
to check the swaged cable if you want to be more then 100 % sure,
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
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| Subject: | RE: Siun-N-Fun was fun... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Thanks for all the nice pictures, also those posted in the gallery. It is some
compensation for this guy and probably a lot of others who wanted to be there
but could not. Was there any news on the efis subject? Special offers?
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 914 fuel pump flow |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jan de Jong <jan.de.jong@xs4all.nl>
Gilles, very interesting.
I would like to make an admission.
In interpreting pressure-flow-restriction graphs and estimating pressure
drops it is useful to know that flow through a restriction is
proportional to the square of the pressure drop across it. I earlier
assumed erroneously that Ohm's law applies with pressure / flow
equivalent to voltage / current. Pressure-squared / flow comes closer to
being equivalent to voltage / current.
Cheers,
Jan de Jong
#461
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| Subject: | Flying - day trip to France sat 22 april |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DaveBuzz@aol.com
Anyone interested in this trip to Persan Beaumont (LFPA) on Saturday 22 April
please let me know (off-list) direct to davebuzz@aol.com
Jean-Martin and the French Europa guys will be there too - weather permitting
this year!
Duane are not available at P-B so we will have to route via le Touquet or, perhaps
Abbeville, details to be advised. If you can let me know aircraft reg and
whether you will have a spare seat, we may be able to fill them with builders.
This is just a leisurely fly-out, perhaps some first-time 'Channel crossers'
may be interested or a warm-up for that long summer trip, assistance available
if you need it. I plan to come along too if I can get my Annual finished in time....
All the best,
dave
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| Subject: | Re: Supplied cable is not 1/8", how do you nico? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com
Ron,
I used the supplied cable, and the inexpensive swaging tool that works by
tightening 2 bolts.
One of the indents in the tool was just the right size, and the
compressions come within the specified limit.
Dave A061
<rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
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Subject: Europa-List: Supplied cable is not 1/8", how do you nico?
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
How have those flying Europas in US been swaging their cables?
I have a Nico tool and nicos for 1/8" cable, but the supplied cable is not
1/8" (.125") it is close to .100".
Have those flying in US just switched over to 1/8"?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Supplied cable is not 1/8", how do you nico? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
"I have a Nico tool and nicos for 1/8" cable, but the supplied cable is
not 1/8" (.125") it is close to .100"
The supplied cable is close to 3/32" (.09375").
OK need to use a 3/32" Nico and tool.
Not a good idea to use a 1/8" nico or tool on 3/32" cable.
Ron P.
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| Subject: | Supplied cable is not 1/8", how do you nico? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Erich Trombley" <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
Ron,
The supplied cable is 3/32", as should be the Nico sleeves.
Erich Trombley
N28ET Classic Mono 914
Time: 01:31:59 PM PST US
Subject: Europa-List: Supplied cable is not 1/8", how do you nico?
From: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
How have those flying Europas in US been swaging their cables?
I have a Nico tool and nicos for 1/8" cable, but the supplied cable is not
1/8" (.125") it is close to .100".
Have those flying in US just switched over to 1/8"?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!
Ron,
The supplied cable is 3/32", asshouldbe the Nico sleeves.
Erich Trombley
N28ET Classic Mono 914
Time: 01:31:59 PM PST US
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How have those flying Europas in US been swaging their cables?
I have a Nico tool and nicos for 1/8" cable, but the supplied cable is not
1/8" (.125") it is close to .100".
Have those flying in US just switched over to 1/8"?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month!
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| Subject: | RE: Alodine 1200 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Flying Farmer" <funnyphone@btinternet.com>
I Hope some one can help, but does anyone know of a UK suppler of ALODINE 1201
and ALUMIPREP
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Siun-N-Fun was fun... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Hey Jos.
Thanks for the place to upload those photos.
My conversations with Andy were about the new accessories that are now
available.
Complete interior kits are now available. Leather or leather / vinyl
combinations come in Gray and Tan colors
New panel cut outs to fit the new and larger Dynon display.
Brian Skelly
Europa XS TriGear #A276
North Texas USA
You can see my build photos at:
www.europaowners.org/brians
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Supplied cable is not 1/8 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Good Day All,
If you are using the Nico measuring tool, then all you are doing is
measuring is that the 1/8" sleeve has compressed to the 1/8" required measurement.
But if the cable inside is less than 1/8" (3/32" in this case) then you may not
get the required "bite" onto the cable and it may fail (pull thru) if there
is too much force applied. The tool measurement is only right if all the
correct parts are used.
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Siun-N-Fun was fun... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Brian,
Did you get any prices for the interior kits?
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Supplied cable is not 1/8 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
Hey Guys,
I think you will find the cable is supplied in that devious Metric sizing,
from memory it is 2.5 thingies. [ Can't even bring myself to type the units of
that ''M'' system !]
If swaged with a nicopress tool, or the ACS swageit tool, the cable will
break before the crimp fails. [ tested them, good fun doing that !]
Cheers,
Nev.
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 914 fuel pump flow |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jan de Jong <jan.de.jong@xs4all.nl>
Gilles,
I would like to make another admission - improved version:
In interpreting pressure-flow-restriction graphs and estimating pressure
drops it is useful to know that flow through a restriction is
proportional to the square root of the pressure drop across it. I
earlier assumed erroneously that Ohm's law applies with pressure / flow
equivalent to voltage / current. Square root of pressure / flow comes
closer to being equivalent to voltage / current.
Sorry about the confusion.
Cheers,
Jan de Jong
#461
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| Subject: | RE: Supplied cable is not 1/8 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Thanks Nev, you saved me another sleepless night or two. Could not understand what
was going on here or that the factory would have supplied wrong materials.
Your message is reassuring enough,
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
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| Subject: | RE: Alodine 1200 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
Light Aero Spares sell the equivalent Deoxidine 624 aluminium prep and
Alocrom 1200A and 1200B in one litre bottles (two part pack) . I used these
products and they are Ok. Tel 01837 658081
Alocrom is the UK name for Alodine
Brian Davies
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Flying Farmer
Sent: 13 April 2006 18:18
Subject: Europa-List: RE: Alodine 1200
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Flying Farmer"
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I Hope some one can help, but does anyone know of a UK suppler of ALODINE
1201 and ALUMIPREP
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Supplied cable is not 1/8 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Hello Jos
"Thanks Nev, you saved me another sleepless night or two"
Me too!
You see I have done a lot of work with 1/8" cables on Hot Air Balloons.
Had Nico Tool, Nicos and thimbles hanging around.
I just assumed the supplied cable was 1/8". I did a few crimps and it
looked OK. When drilling some holes for rudder cables to pass through, I
measured the exact size of cable. It was close to .100". I was angry at
myself for making such an assumption. I did not have manual when I made
post, or a Spruce Catalog. After I made post I figured from Spruce and the
manual that use of a 3/32" Nico and tool is a much more better thing to
use.
If anyone has used a 1/8" nico and tool, would probably be prudent to go
to 3/32" nico.
If you read the "Law" (43.13 and McMaster Carr cable/nico section), it
states not to use galvanized nicos on Stainless Steel cable. I asked
Factory when I first got kit, and they said if you are splitting hairs,
but the recommended, Copper or Plated Copper or Stainless Nicos may be
better , but the Galvanized work just fine for Europa and was tested till
cable failure with no nico slippage.
Since I had Plated Copper Nicos for SS I was going to use them, and that
could have gotten me into trouble??
Anyway I feel more comfortable using a slight oversized "Mullieemeter"
cable in a 3/32" nico, than a .025" undersized "Mullieemeter" cable in a
1/8" nico. I ordered "Law" plated 3/32" nicos.
Enough words, just want to make sure others don't make my blunder,
especial on the 4 wheel contrivance.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Interior kits WAS Sun-N-Fun was fun... |
CC: roger@europa-aircraft.com
--> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
Hi Mike.
How's things out west?
Andy did not give me a firm price on the kit as they are new. He told me to
contact Roger Bull in the UK for pricing and availability.
Unfortunately there were no examples of these interior kits available to
photograph. Andy had material samples and was using the demonstrator at the booth
to describe the style. The style is a bit different from the seats that we
have seen out of the Florida area. He said that there will soon be photos up on
the website in the accessories area.
I told him that this kit will be of great interest to the American builders.
My guess is that this job is farmed out most of the time.
I did not ask Andy if they were using the Tempra Foam for cushion material
but that would be good to know as well.
Roger, I copied you on this.
What say? Can you help us out with some information, pricing and perhaps a
few photos?
Do not archive.
Brian Skelly
Europa XS TriGear #A276
North Texas USA
You can see my build photos at:
www.europaowners.org/brians
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| Subject: | Re: Interior kits WAS Sun-N-Fun was fun... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: DuaneFamly@aol.com
Hi Brian and Roger,
The west is very wet these days. If I didn't know better, I would have
thought that I lived in England. ;-) But hope springs eternal that we will do
as
we did last year.....not have any spring, just go right into summer with our
110' temps and 10% humidity.
But I would be interested in the new interior that E2004 can supply. Right
now I have a do-it-yourself-and-it-looks-like-it job that will do until I get
flying. Then I can get the wife off to see some other Europas with the nice
interiors and she will want me to change it. The money is there as long as she
thinks she thought of it. "I'll only do it to keep you happy, Honey".
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Skin deformation around fuel inlet |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Timothy.P.Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
Hi all,
Has anyone had fuselage skin deforming below the fuel cap and in line with the
fuel 'cobra' inside plastic fuel inlet.
I heard it was to do with temperature differences and dark cover over this area
with strong sunlight. Anyway I have it and would be interested in others who
have and their remedy for it. My 'cobra' inlet does follow the line of the inside
fuselage skin most of the way. Neville has given me good ways of fixing it
below however would be interested if anyone else experienced it.
Cheers,
Tim
Hi Tim,
Only ever seen this if a dark cover is left on the fuselage in strong sunlight,
if you can cut through the Bid straps that hold the ''cobra'' to the inside of
the fuselage, and make up a polythene and ''gaffer tape'' tank on the outside,
you can pour nearly boiling water into the ''tank'', and spring the fuselage
back out, with gentle force from the inside. Balsa works well for that. After
you have got the shape back, flox the balsa between the inner skin and the cobra,
and get a couple of plies of Bid over the balsa, then put new straps over
the lot.
If all else fails it will be a case of filling and painting over the top.
Cheers,
Nev.
I heard the other day, estimates to have a coffin made for Gene Pitney, were 3
weeks from Oak, but only 24 hours from Balsa.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Siun-N-Fun was fun - EFIS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Keith Hickling <keithhickling@clear.net.nz>
Hi Jos,
Blue Mountain Avionics have just released a new generation 4 version of
their EFIS lite. Small display (3.8 inches) but it has all the previous
features plus now high resolution contoured terrain display as well as
airspace mapping on the GPS screens, showing projected track ahead.. Other
screens show flight instruments (similar to Dynon plus ground speed and
track, wind aloft ) and a HSI display from GPS displaying "virtual VOR". You
can set up any point as a virtual VOR point. It doesn't have ability to
display AOA like the Dynon.
Price is 2750 US dollars I think - inclused all the GPS system. For 3900
they now make EFIS Lite plus, with a 6 inch display.
Andy cautioned me that some people have had some problems with the previous
versions, but it does look very nice. Has anyone on the list used the BM
EFIS lite or sport EFIS ?
Regards,
Keith Hickling.
----- Original Message -----
From: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:39 PM
Subject: Europa-List: RE: Siun-N-Fun was fun...
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
>
> Thanks for all the nice pictures, also those posted in the gallery. It is
> some compensation for this guy and probably a lot of others who wanted to
> be there but could not. Was there any news on the efis subject? Special
> offers?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jos Okhuijsen
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>
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