---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/14/06: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:15 AM - Re: Re: Supplied cable is not 1/8 (Jeremy Davey) 2. 03:50 AM - Re: Interior kits WAS Sun-N-Fun was fun... (Steve Crimm) 3. 05:39 AM - Re: Siun-N-Fun was fun - EFIS (Jim Butcher) 4. 05:48 AM - Monowheel Jacking (JonSmith) 5. 07:07 AM - Gasculator access? () 6. 08:15 AM - Re: Monowheel Jacking (NevEyre@aol.com) 7. 11:36 AM - Re: Siun-N-Fun was fun... (Steven Pitt) 8. 11:58 AM - Re: Monowheel Jacking (Steve Hagar) 9. 11:59 AM - Re: Gasculator access? (Steve Hagar) 10. 05:03 PM - Shoot Bolt Guide Clearance Question (EuropaXSA276@aol.com) 11. 06:11 PM - Re: Shoot Bolt Guide Clearance Question (europa flugzeug fabrik) 12. 08:48 PM - Pitch Forces (JEFF ROBERTS) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:15:32 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Supplied cable is not 1/8 --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" Ron, It's not adhesion that dictates which sleeve to use with which cable - it's the risk of catalytic corrosion. Regards, Jeremy Jeremy Davey Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative PFA EC Member "If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation." Tail done Standard XS wings with mods underway CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings) 1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and lack of workshop Intended fit: Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Sent: 13 April 2006 22:31 Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Supplied cable is not 1/8 --> Europa-List message posted by: Hello Jos "Thanks Nev, you saved me another sleepless night or two" Me too! You see I have done a lot of work with 1/8" cables on Hot Air Balloons. Had Nico Tool, Nicos and thimbles hanging around. I just assumed the supplied cable was 1/8". I did a few crimps and it looked OK. When drilling some holes for rudder cables to pass through, I measured the exact size of cable. It was close to .100". I was angry at myself for making such an assumption. I did not have manual when I made post, or a Spruce Catalog. After I made post I figured from Spruce and the manual that use of a 3/32" Nico and tool is a much more better thing to use. If anyone has used a 1/8" nico and tool, would probably be prudent to go to 3/32" nico. If you read the "Law" (43.13 and McMaster Carr cable/nico section), it states not to use galvanized nicos on Stainless Steel cable. I asked Factory when I first got kit, and they said if you are splitting hairs, but the recommended, Copper or Plated Copper or Stainless Nicos may be better , but the Galvanized work just fine for Europa and was tested till cable failure with no nico slippage. Since I had Plated Copper Nicos for SS I was going to use them, and that could have gotten me into trouble?? Anyway I feel more comfortable using a slight oversized "Mullieemeter" cable in a 3/32" nico, than a .025" undersized "Mullieemeter" cable in a 1/8" nico. I ordered "Law" plated 3/32" nicos. Enough words, just want to make sure others don't make my blunder, especial on the 4 wheel contrivance. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:42 AM PST US From: "Steve Crimm" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Interior kits WAS Sun-N-Fun was fun... --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" When I spoke to Andy he said they were in the neighborhood of $1,700.00 US Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of EuropaXSA276@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 18:37 Cc: roger@europa-aircraft.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Interior kits WAS Sun-N-Fun was fun... --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Hi Mike. How's things out west? Andy did not give me a firm price on the kit as they are new. He told me to contact Roger Bull in the UK for pricing and availability. Unfortunately there were no examples of these interior kits available to photograph. Andy had material samples and was using the demonstrator at the booth to describe the style. The style is a bit different from the seats that we have seen out of the Florida area. He said that there will soon be photos up on the website in the accessories area. I told him that this kit will be of great interest to the American builders. My guess is that this job is farmed out most of the time. I did not ask Andy if they were using the Tempra Foam for cushion material but that would be good to know as well. Roger, I copied you on this. What say? Can you help us out with some information, pricing and perhaps a few photos? Do not archive. Brian Skelly Europa XS TriGear #A276 North Texas USA You can see my build photos at: www.europaowners.org/brians ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:32 AM PST US From: "Jim Butcher" Subject: Europa-List: Re: Siun-N-Fun was fun - EFIS --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" Keith, We are flying our Europa XS with an older Blue Mountain EFIS 1 and EFIS Lite for backup. They work really well and are making test flight easy. The new G4 boxes have some really neat features and more are coming - I understand weather (NEXRAD) will be along soon (Oshkosh??). And since BMA really only has one software, the older boxes get the new features. In our case, we will have to send the E1 back for additional memory in order to have the new terrain zoom features. It was a bit of a pain to get everything set up but we have confidence that our sensors are calibrated - if you just hook up a sending unit from ACS or a wire to the VDO on the Rotax, unless you test the sensor, you don't know for sure. Last evening I flew airspeed calibration tests. Now I will adjust the calibration table in the EFIS to eliminate position error and indicated airspeed will be the same as calibrated airspeed. Really nice!! Support from BMA is pretty good. There is telephone support and there is a discussion board. I found the board very helpful - you can do a search for a topic. You must realize that most use the board for problem solving, so don't be discouraged, most BMA owners get their systems working just fine. And BMA can recommend shops that are experienced with installing and working with their units. They even offer on site installation and set up - not a bad way to go if you have difficulty or are intimidated by electronics. The other great feature of the board is that BMA monitors the board and incorporates changes and suggestions made on the board. There are several F 117 pilots who have helped Greg revise the HSI and ADI displays to similar standards that the military uses. The manuals are not great, but Larry is rewriting them. The ones he's done (power board and G3 Lite) are quite good. Jim & Heather Butcher XS Mono, 914 N241BW ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:55 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Monowheel Jacking From: "JonSmith" --> Europa-List message posted by: "JonSmith" Hi all, Sorry to "raise" this subject yet again - but I'd just like to ask people's opinion... Is it considered safe practice to lift a fully rigged monowheel for the retraction test/ inspection using a hoist? In the past I've always messed around with jacks and trestles under the wing spars which works fine, if a little precarious! A friend though has a hydraulic engine hoist which seems ideal and much easier - I was just worried that there would be a lot of weight suspended from a single point on the airframe. Where is the best place to attach the strap? I've heard talk about using the undercarriage mounting frame just behind the engine mounts?? If someone could reassure me - or otherwise - I'd be most grateful! Best Regards, Jon ---------------- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:32 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Gasculator access? From: --> Europa-List message posted by: Any suggestion how and where to mount with easy access for cleaning filter 2 Andair gasculators (next size up from mini) on a XS 914 Monowheel? Would be nice if could easily be done from outside aeroplane. Thx. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:09 AM PST US From: NevEyre@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel Jacking --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com Hi Jon, Safe to hoist the plane up from the undercarriage frame, take the plenum off if you have a 912, other wise, no problems. Put padded saw horses under the wings, padded with pillows / cushions, where the the spars are , in front of the outriggers, to check the roll, if you are going to get in for gear retraction. Cheers, Nev. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:51 AM PST US From: "Steven Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Siun-N-Fun was fun... --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" Well done Jeff - good to see the brand keeping up the standards. Finally arrived home today after S'n'F to a cold a wet England - boy do I wish I was back in the sunshine. Thank you to you and all the Americans and others that made the 'Europa' party so welcome. Now to get on with finishing my aircraft and here is to next year. For all those reading this it will be 17th to 23rd April (after Easter in 2007). Steve Pitt G-SMDH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff B" Sent: 10 April 2006 23:23 Subject: Europa-List: Siun-N-Fun was fun... > --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff B > > Fellow Europaphiles, > > I don't want to sound like I'm bragging, but I do want to share the > news, so I'll just spit it out. "Baby Blue" (N55XS) has been named Best > Non-Certified Engine Homebuilt at Sun-N-Fun. Results was just posted at > http://www.sun-n-fun.org/content/interior.asp?section=flyin&body=05flyin/2005awards > Mary and I couldn't be more thrilled. > > On another note, response at the Europa tent was very good. Lots of > interest and I believe John and Andy were surprised at the interest they > generated. I look for good things to start happening in the US. > > Jeff - N55XS > 164 hours and the grin is getting bigger... > > do not archive > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:58:49 AM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Monowheel Jacking --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" Jon: I just did this about 3 weeks ago. Attach an engine hoist just behind the engine like you mentioned. I used a shackle and some nylon webbing. Don't worry about having a lot of weight suspened from a single point. The plane is not supposed to be heavy any way, right. Don't try to support any amount of weight with the wings and stands unless you have a very large bearing surface to lay on. Keep the weight off of the wings and on the engine mount. Just put some items under the wings to stop them from rotating and having the wingtips hit the ground. I was able to sit inside and rotate the gear on the engine stand. Have someone outside by the stand while you are doing this. Depending on how far your boom is out the stand might tend to rotate. Adjust the boom or have your buddy stand on the hoist Steve Hagar A143 Mesa, AZ Steve Hagar hagargs@earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: JonSmith > Date: 4/14/2006 5:52:10 AM > Subject: Europa-List: Monowheel Jacking > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "JonSmith" > > Hi all, Sorry to "raise" this subject yet again - but I'd just like to ask people's opinion... > Is it considered safe practice to lift a fully rigged monowheel for the retraction test/ inspection using a hoist? > In the past I've always messed around with jacks and trestles under the wing spars which works fine, if a little precarious! A friend though has a hydraulic engine hoist which seems ideal and much easier - I was just worried that there would be a lot of weight suspended from a single point on the airframe. > Where is the best place to attach the strap? I've heard talk about using the undercarriage mounting frame just behind the engine mounts?? > If someone could reassure me - or otherwise - I'd be most grateful! > Best Regards, > Jon > ---------------- > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:59:20 AM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gasculator access? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" Mine is under the left baggage bay access panel. I have an access door under the aircraft with an aircraft flush spring latch, the sump drains are here also. Steve Hagar hagargs@earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 4/14/2006 7:11:35 AM > Subject: Europa-List: Gasculator access? > > --> Europa-List message posted by: > > Any suggestion how and where to mount with easy access for cleaning filter > 2 Andair gasculators (next size up from mini) on a XS 914 Monowheel? > > Would be nice if could easily be done from outside aeroplane. > > Thx. > Ron Parigoris > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:57 PM PST US From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Shoot Bolt Guide Clearance Question --> Europa-List message posted by: EuropaXSA276@aol.com While fiddling with the DL07 shoot bolt guides in the doors I test fitted them to the fuselage. My concern was to be sure I had enough clearance for the guides in the doors AND the DL07 guides that will be later installed on the door frame of the fuselage. It appears that the guides in the aft end of the door already rub on the fuselage frame leaving little or no room for the aft frame guides later on. The aft guides are seated as far as they will go without partially cutting out more door material around the collar area of the guide to seat it further back. Reading the archives it appears that these lil fellas can pop out from time to time. Any more cutting may not be wise. Also interesting to note that my door had mold marks for the guide locations. They were WAY off from the measurements given in the manual. Looking at others photos I elected to install them according to the manual and disregarded the makings. The doors have not been properly fitted to the fuselage at this time. I wonder if that will help? These doors incorporate the fuselage width increase < mod 67> After all this incessant rambling my questions are: Has anyone had issue with the clearance of the shoot bolt guides as described above? Fix? Thanks in advance! Brian Skelly Europa XS TriGear #A276 North Texas USA You can see my build photos at: www.europaowners.org/brians ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:55 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Shoot Bolt Guide Clearance Question From: "europa flugzeug fabrik" --> Europa-List message posted by: "europa flugzeug fabrik" EuropaXSA276(at)aol.com wrote: > It appears that the guides in the aft end of the door already rub on the fuselage frame leaving little or no room for the aft frame guides later on. The aft guides are seated as far as they will go without partially cutting out more door material around the collar area of the guide to seat it further back. If the guides rub, you should be able to grind 'em down, after installing the door. Only a little bit of "brim in the guide hat" needed. As sidenote, rather than just holes in the fiberglass for the shoot bolts which will wear, I bonded in bushings made from I think 1/2" tubing from the hobby store. Brass or aluminum. That way the doors can be perfectly flush to the fuselage side, since they were cured with the door closed and bolted (waxed obviously too). Mine still rubbed a little when flexed, thinking ahead of closing with prop spinning. So....removed a bit of the epoxy around the hole in the fuselage, sort of like installing a residential door hinge. From said hobby store: thin, shiny stainless steel sheet. I bonded that in as a striker plate. Even brought it around the corner, so that the nothing will strike any painted surface. That feature of it is one less thing which looks like a homebuilt, at least. Reg, Fred F. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=28471#28471 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:21 PM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Europa-List: Pitch Forces --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS Hi All, As a low time pilot that is enjoying his finished toy, I have noticed the pitch forces are quite a bit greater than that of the aileron. Thats while sitting on the ground or in the air at maneuvering speeds. Reading other plane reviews over the years authors have noted this to not be good or desirable. I on the other hand haven't found it annoying but am wondering if other Europas are like this. None of the push rods seem to be rubbing anywhere. Is their any lubricant others have used and if so where has it had the best effect? Any Ideas or advice would be appreciated. Thanks In advance, Jeff R. A258 / Gold Rush... Flying off the 40