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1. 12:44 AM - What's happening here? (Brian Hutchinson)
2. 12:46 AM - Re: Pitch Forces (R.C.Harrison)
3. 01:00 AM - Re: Shoot Bolt Guide Clearance Question (BEBERRY@aol.com)
4. 01:09 AM - Navaid Autopilot (wing leveller) (BEBERRY@aol.com)
5. 01:17 AM - Re: What's happening here? (Jeremy Davey)
6. 03:23 AM - Re: Shoot Bolt Guide Clearance Question (josok)
7. 01:32 PM - Re: Re: Siun-N-Fun was fun - EFIS (D Wysong)
8. 01:51 PM - Re: Pitch Forces (Duncan McFadyean)
9. 07:01 PM - Re: Pitch Forces (Rman)
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| Subject: | What's happening here? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Hutchinson" <hutch@hangarbout.fsnet.co.uk>
Hi all,
I made an enquiry here recently and didn't get a response, so I'll have another go... This unknown builders website http://www.antsol.com/ continues to be updated with an interesting story of images, but what is on earth is being done on the pitch linkage on the latest photos? I don't recall doing this!!
Brian Hutchinson
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Jeff.
Have you the trim system set to neutral and mid range? The little trim
tabs have the capability of deploying huge forces since the stabilators
are "all flying control" Until you have the feel of the pitch trim
sensitivity you will think the pitch is heavy. Since the pitch trim
motor is quite speedy you only require small "dabs" of power to it to
get a balanced trim control load.
Some can't hack the fast trim and have introduced a slower circuit
facility from the Allen Co. to either replace the Europa supplied relay
deck or similar.
I had a defective relay deck but for a long while they were saying it
was a a connection problem but then discovered it was the type of points
they used in the relay getting dirty. They sent me a replacement relay
and Bingo, problem gone. However to illustrate my point, if this
phenomenon occurred in flight the only way I could clear it was to allow
the trim to go all the way to the end limiter, initially I tried to hold
the controls against the forces but was so concerned about the loads I
then allowed the aircraft to do as the trim tabs were demanding until it
reversed back from the limiter to normal flight, making sure I stopped
it at the right place instead of needing to back off again! Of course
the forces are still present in the stabilators and trim tabs when this
happens but not right back to the control column. All quite scary really
but sorted out now.
It would be a major challenge to land the aircraft with the trim system
on maximum position either way.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JEFF
ROBERTS
Sent: 15 April 2006 04:44
Subject: Europa-List: Pitch Forces
--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
Hi All,
As a low time pilot that is enjoying his finished toy, I have noticed
the pitch forces are quite a bit greater than that of the aileron.
Thats while sitting on the ground or in the air at maneuvering speeds.
Reading other plane reviews over the years authors have noted this to
not be good or desirable.
I on the other hand haven't found it annoying but am wondering if other
Europas are like this. None of the push rods seem to be rubbing
anywhere. Is their any lubricant others have used and if so where has
it had the best effect? Any Ideas or advice would be appreciated.
Thanks In advance,
Jeff R.
A258 / Gold Rush... Flying off the 40
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| Subject: | Re: Shoot Bolt Guide Clearance Question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
In a message dated 15/04/2006 01:05:12 GMT Daylight Time,
EuropaXSA276@aol.com writes:
Has anyone had issue with the clearance of the shoot bolt guides as
described
above? Fix?
Certainly have - and the problem of the guides coming loose from time to
time. This last seems to be due to the long aft shoot bolt not entering the
guide at a perfect angle but bearing on one side. A slight bend in the long bolt
seems to have cured this
I have removed a small amount of from the rear of the door material to set
the guide further forward and then fixed it into position with two part and a
considerable build up of material around the guide.
No problems for some time now so hope this is a permanent solution.
Patrick
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| Subject: | Navaid Autopilot (wing leveller) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
For some time I have been trying to get this item to work correctly. The
AP1 is o.k. and has been tested by the manufacturers. The servo seems not to
work correctly even when set up and calibrated acording to the manual.
Symptons.... Switch everything on , including Wing Leveller (all this on the
ground), and the servo actuating arm duly sets itself to a neutral position, taking
the control column with it, of course. Moving the turn knob on the AP then
has no effect. The servo actuating arm remains in the neutral position,
chattering away quietly to itself, but induces no stick movement.
Can anyone with a similar bit of kit help with any suggestions of where to
look next please?
Patrick
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| Subject: | What's happening here? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jeremy Davey" <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
Taking a large dose of guessing juice...
It looks like he's done what many folks do - cut the slots for the trim
system according to the lines on the moulding. He's then found out they are
in the wrong place, so he's glassed over the slots and started again.
It looks to me like he's made a jig that replicates the movement of the
trim-tab drive and he's using that to manufacture the slots precisely. An
interesting approach, and certainly worthwhile, I'd have thought, if one was
making many Europae (e.g. Flightcrafters). As mine was purely a one-off I
achieved it simply by careful manual sanding - takes longer to do, but the
extra was less than the time to make the jig.
Regards,
Jeremy
Jeremy Davey
Europa Monowheel 537M G-EZZA
Europa Club Vice-Chairman, Webmaster, PFA NC Representative
PFA EC Member
"If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, then it is
possible you haven't grasped the severity of the situation."
Tail done
Standard XS wings with mods underway
CM installed in fuse (with airbrakes fittings)
1430 build hours to date, build currently stalled due to house moves and
lack of workshop
Intended fit:
Rotax 914 turbo, Airmaster CS fully-feathering prop
Lots of lights, buttons, switches, gizmos, and alarms
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian
Hutchinson
Sent: 15 April 2006 08:40
Subject: Europa-List: What's happening here?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Hutchinson"
--> <hutch@hangarbout.fsnet.co.uk>
Hi all,
I made an enquiry here recently and didn't get a response, so I'll have
another go... This unknown builders website http://www.antsol.com/
continues to be updated with an interesting story of images, but what is on
earth is being done on the pitch linkage on the latest photos? I don't
recall doing this!!
Brian Hutchinson
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| Subject: | RE: Shoot Bolt Guide Clearance Question |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Hi Brian,
Exactly the same problem here. The aft shoot bolt and the guide were hitting the
door frame. There was enough space at the front. I am happy you hit the same
result! After scratching my head and deciding i probably had some glitch while
measuring i decided to grind the guide and the shoot bolt down to fit, with
a 1 mm clearance for paint. Furthermore i bought some nylon bearings, which happen
to have the same size as the shoot bolt guides. Somebody had that tip on
the forum,l don't remember part numbers sorry. These bearings allow scratch free
operation, and since there is no edge on the end, allow for less space needed
between door and post. Two days ago i bonded the bearings in the door frame
for the first door, and it works nice. Remember that the reinforcements of the
frame add more material to hold the guide. The material on the post added up
to 5 mm here. Looks rigid enough, the guide being 12 mm in my case. Maybe the
picture helps. Oh, don't cry bad, this is only the f
irst glue to get a fix of he guide in the right position and angle.
Kind regards,
Jo's Okhuijsen
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Siun-N-Fun was fun - EFIS |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "D Wysong" <hdwysong@gmail.com>
Hello Keith -
I recently wrote some software for a buddy that wanted a "poor man's"
repeater for his BM EFIS Lite (... something for the wife to look at
while flying in the right seat). The refresh rate on the Lite was
horrible in my opinion (~4 Hz).... especially when compared to that of
the Dynon (64 Hz!!). He claimed it didn't bother him in flight but it
drove me nuts just watching it on the bench.
Reports on the new G4's are encouraging, though. Update rates are
supposed to be much better (>20 Hz) with all of the added bells n'
whistles. He has one on order and I'm sure we'll port the repeater
software to it. I'll report back once we put some bench time on the
unit if you wish.
D
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> Time: 11:38:38 PM PST US
> From: Keith Hickling <keithhickling@clear.net.nz>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Siun-N-Fun was fun - EFIS
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> --> Europa-List message posted by: Keith Hickling <keithhickling@clear.net.nz>
>
> Hi Jos,
> Blue Mountain Avionics have just released a new generation 4 version of
> their EFIS lite. Small display (3.8 inches) but it has all the previous
> features plus now high resolution contoured terrain display as well as
> airspace mapping on the GPS screens, showing projected track ahead.. Other
> screens show flight instruments (similar to Dynon plus ground speed and
> track, wind aloft ) and a HSI display from GPS displaying "virtual VOR". You
> can set up any point as a virtual VOR point. It doesn't have ability to
> display AOA like the Dynon.
>
> Price is 2750 US dollars I think - inclused all the GPS system. For 3900
> they now make EFIS Lite plus, with a 6 inch display.
>
> Andy cautioned me that some people have had some problems with the previous
> versions, but it does look very nice. Has anyone on the list used the BM
> EFIS lite or sport EFIS ?
>
> Regards,
> Keith Hickling.
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| Subject: | Re: Pitch Forces |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
It's normal/desirable to have the stick pitch forces higher than the roll
forces in a normal 'plane.
Albeit that the Kitfox had lighter pitch than roll, which contributed to its
interesting handling!
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "JEFF ROBERTS" <jeff@rmmm.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 4:44 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Pitch Forces
> --> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
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> Hi All,
> As a low time pilot that is enjoying his finished toy, I have noticed
> the pitch forces are quite a bit greater than that of the aileron.
> Thats while sitting on the ground or in the air at maneuvering speeds.
> Reading other plane reviews over the years authors have noted this to
> not be good or desirable.
> I on the other hand haven't found it annoying but am wondering if other
> Europas are like this. None of the push rods seem to be rubbing
> anywhere. Is their any lubricant others have used and if so where has
> it had the best effect? Any Ideas or advice would be appreciated.
> Thanks In advance,
> Jeff R.
> A258 / Gold Rush... Flying off the 40
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pitch Forces |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rman <topglock@cox.net>
Jeff,
I think the heavier pitch forces are normal. I've noticed the same
thing in Baby Blue. Never a problem, though, as the Europa responds
quickly to "ANY" movement of the stick.
On a side note, are you going to be up for the meeting with John at
Mattlews in mid May?
Jeff - Baby Blue N55XS
164 hours
JEFF ROBERTS wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
>
>Hi All,
>As a low time pilot that is enjoying his finished toy, I have noticed
>the pitch forces are quite a bit greater than that of the aileron.
>Thats while sitting on the ground or in the air at maneuvering speeds.
>Reading other plane reviews over the years authors have noted this to
>not be good or desirable.
>I on the other hand haven't found it annoying but am wondering if other
>Europas are like this. None of the push rods seem to be rubbing
>anywhere. Is their any lubricant others have used and if so where has
>it had the best effect? Any Ideas or advice would be appreciated.
>Thanks In advance,
>Jeff R.
>A258 / Gold Rush... Flying off the 40
>
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