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1. 06:02 AM - Ampreg supply (Keith Hartley)
2. 08:08 AM - Wing pip pin clearance (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
3. 08:52 AM - Re: Wing pip pin clearance (Cliff Shaw)
4. 08:53 AM - Re: Wing pip pin clearance (SteveD)
5. 09:50 AM - Re: Wing pip pin clearance (JEFF ROBERTS)
6. 02:54 PM - Re: Wing pip pin clearance (NevEyre@aol.com)
7. 05:52 PM - Re: Ampreg supply (Jim Mcavoy)
8. 09:30 PM - Re: Wing pip pin clearance (RK Hallett III)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Keith Hartley" <tarnish7@iprimus.com.au>
Anyone in the Australian bit of the empire tell me where I can find a
supplier of Ampreg 20 or, if that's no longer available as has been
suggested Ampreg 22 or suitable acceptable alternative. Ditto Redux.
Mine's all time expired.
Keith Hartley
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| Subject: | Wing pip pin clearance |
--> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Hi everybody,
While going over everything one last time before inspection, I noticed that I
neglected to install the limiting washers on the pip pin for the wings. I did
install the spring washer on the spar cup, but for whatever reason never
completed the "washer limiter" on the cockpit side.
I fiddled with it yesterday and realized that my pip pin is hitting something
before the balls exit the spar cup hole. I can't see what it is hitting from
the access hole in the belly and I can't see it from the side either due to
the way I attached the wing root fairings to the side of the fuselage. I think
it's hitting the aileron belcrank, though.
Has anybody had any trouble with this? If so, what's the solution? I thought
about just doing away with the pip pin altogether and installing a similar pin
arrangement as the right side.
Thanks!
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
A-245 (Taxi testing underway)
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| Subject: | Re: Wing pip pin clearance |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
John
Yes I did, and Yes it is hitting the aileron "rocker plate"
Wiggle the stick and you will verify. I ground off a 1/4" of so and got it working
just fine.
Cliff
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| Subject: | RE: Wing pip pin clearance |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
John, Stop taxi testing. Every taxi test is a potential flight. If you have, or
suspect you have, a control being fowled, stop testing until it is sorted.
I'm at work and away from my drawings and build, I'll look into it more when I
get home.
Steved
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| Subject: | Re: Wing pip pin clearance |
--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
John,
I remember that flight Crafters did what your suggesting and did away
with the pip pin. I didn't, but doing it makes sense to me and If I had
to do it over I would have. Just my 2 cents worth.
Jeff R.
A258 Trying to fly the 40 off and smiling every minute I get to do it.
On Apr 20, 2006, at 10:04 AM, TELEDYNMCS@aol.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> While going over everything one last time before inspection, I noticed
> that I
> neglected to install the limiting washers on the pip pin for the
> wings. I did
> install the spring washer on the spar cup, but for whatever reason
> never
> completed the "washer limiter" on the cockpit side.
>
> I fiddled with it yesterday and realized that my pip pin is hitting
> something
> before the balls exit the spar cup hole. I can't see what it is
> hitting from
> the access hole in the belly and I can't see it from the side either
> due to
> the way I attached the wing root fairings to the side of the fuselage.
> I think
> it's hitting the aileron belcrank, though.
>
> Has anybody had any trouble with this? If so, what's the solution? I
> thought
> about just doing away with the pip pin altogether and installing a
> similar pin
> arrangement as the right side.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Regards,
>
> John Lawton
> Dunlap, TN
> A-245 (Taxi testing underway)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing pip pin clearance |
--> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
Hi John and all,
The pip pin MUST be fitted on the Port side.
It is there to stop the end of the Starboard spar tang migrating aft under
load, and pulling the rigging cup off the back of the Port spar, and jamming
against the aileron belcrank.
Under load testing, [ for the 1370 lb upgrade ] we established that as G
loads are increased, the tang will move aft. The initial mod was to put the
strap on the Port spar, to contain the starboard spar, but that failed to control
the rearward shift [ admitedly at loads over 8 G], so the pip pin was
introduced, this does, with the washer bonded to the rear of the rigging cup,
keep
it all together.
The pin needs to be shimmed forward, with the thin washers bonded to the
port seatback bush, so the balls are up against the washer on the rigging cup
[
slight play is needed to ensure the balls always ''pop'' out ]
The aileron quick connect belcranks will need to be trimmed, there is a
drawing of that , somewhere in the Manual [ don't have one to hand] but once you
have shimmed the pin with the wings on, take the wings off, and refit the pin,
it will be obvious which part of the belcrank is in the way.
Have fun, but do take care !
Cheers,
Nev.
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| Subject: | Re: Ampreg supply |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Mcavoy" <jimca@ozemail.com.au>
Keith
SP Systems in Sydney were the importer. Call on 029979 7248 to find a local
outlet.
Redux from Sydney also 02 9676 8699.
Regards
Jim McAvoy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Hartley" <tarnish7@iprimus.com.au>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:54 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Ampreg supply
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Keith Hartley"
> <tarnish7@iprimus.com.au>
>
> Anyone in the Australian bit of the empire tell me where I can find a
> supplier of Ampreg 20 or, if that's no longer available as has been
> suggested Ampreg 22 or suitable acceptable alternative. Ditto Redux.
> Mine's all time expired.
>
>
> Keith Hartley
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing pip pin clearance |
--> Europa-List message posted by: RK Hallett III <n100rh@sbcglobal.net>
Nev,
Thanks for the answer, such input really makes a difference.
Ralph
Reno,NV
MG(parts)
NevEyre@aol.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: NevEyre@aol.com
>
> Hi John and all,
> The pip pin MUST be fitted on the Port side.
> It is there to stop the end of the Starboard spar tang migrating aft under
> load, and pulling the rigging cup off the back of the Port spar, and jamming
> against the aileron belcrank.
> Under load testing, [ for the 1370 lb upgrade ] we established that as G
> loads are increased, the tang will move aft. The initial mod was to put the
> strap on the Port spar, to contain the starboard spar, but that failed to control
> the rearward shift [ admitedly at loads over 8 G], so the pip pin was
> introduced, this does, with the washer bonded to the rear of the rigging cup,
keep
> it all together.
> The pin needs to be shimmed forward, with the thin washers bonded to the
> port seatback bush, so the balls are up against the washer on the rigging cup
[
> slight play is needed to ensure the balls always ''pop'' out ]
> The aileron quick connect belcranks will need to be trimmed, there is a
> drawing of that , somewhere in the Manual [ don't have one to hand] but once
you
> have shimmed the pin with the wings on, take the wings off, and refit the pin,
> it will be obvious which part of the belcrank is in the way.
> Have fun, but do take care !
> Cheers,
> Nev.
>
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>
>
>
>
>
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