---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/24/06: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:52 AM - Second throttle lever (Keith Hickling) 2. 02:54 AM - Re: Second throttle lever (nigel charles) 3. 05:02 AM - Re: Second throttle lever (KARL HEINDL) 4. 07:24 AM - Re: Second throttle lever (Simon Smith) 5. 10:14 AM - DOTH Friday anyone? (Bryan Allsop) 6. 10:25 AM - World release of 300kw Fuelless engine set for July 7 Munich Germany! (GLENN CROWDER) 7. 12:08 PM - Anyone using Decalin lead scavenger in Rotax? () 8. 12:08 PM - Anyone using Decalin lead scavenger in Rotax? () 9. 12:29 PM - Threading 1/4NPT taps (Fergus Kyle) 10. 12:29 PM - Re: Anyone using Decalin lead scavenger in Rotax? (Gilles Thesee) 11. 12:58 PM - Re: Threading 1/4NPT taps () 12. 01:09 PM - Re: Anyone using Decalin lead scavenger in Rotax? () 13. 05:15 PM - Re: Second throttle lever (Steve Crimm) 14. 05:15 PM - EIS Questin (Jim Butcher) 15. 05:29 PM - Re: EIS Questin (SPurpura@aol.com) 16. 05:43 PM - Re: EIS Questin (Jim Brown) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:52:46 AM PST US From: Keith Hickling Subject: Europa-List: Second throttle lever --> Europa-List message posted by: Keith Hickling Hi All, Andy told me that someone has fitted a second throttle lever for the left hand seat, which I would also like to do. He thought it was possibly a Europa Club official. If he is listening, could you please let me know how you rigged it and if there were any problems? I had thought of running a pushrod forward from each lever to a torque tube, but if someone has worked out a good system it would be great to know. Thanks, Keith Hickling, New Zealand. XS mono, tail done, wings nearly finished, working on cockpit module. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:18 AM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Second throttle lever --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" The builder who carried out this mod is Peter Kember. He was the first customer to complete a Europa and has since built another one but I am not sure whether he carried out this mod second time around. As far as I know the mod involved moving the existing throttle rather than adding a second one. Nigel Charles -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith Hickling Sent: 24 April 2006 09:46 Subject: Europa-List: Second throttle lever --> Europa-List message posted by: Keith Hickling Hi All, Andy told me that someone has fitted a second throttle lever for the left hand seat, which I would also like to do. He thought it was possibly a Europa Club official. If he is listening, could you please let me know how you rigged it and if there were any problems? I had thought of running a pushrod forward from each lever to a torque tube, but if someone has worked out a good system it would be great to know. Thanks, Keith Hickling, New Zealand. XS mono, tail done, wings nearly finished, working on cockpit module. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:01 AM PST US From: "KARL HEINDL" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Second throttle lever --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" I remember reading a detailed article by Peter Kember in an early Europa Club magazine, explaining how and why he did it. Karl >From: "nigel charles" >To: >Subject: RE: Europa-List: Second throttle lever >Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:50:04 +0100 > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" > >The builder who carried out this mod is Peter Kember. He was the first >customer to complete a Europa and has since built another one but I am >not sure whether he carried out this mod second time around. As far as I >know the mod involved moving the existing throttle rather than adding a >second one. > >Nigel Charles > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith >Hickling >Sent: 24 April 2006 09:46 >To: Eurpoa List >Subject: Europa-List: Second throttle lever > >--> Europa-List message posted by: Keith Hickling > > >Hi All, >Andy told me that someone has fitted a second throttle lever for the >left hand seat, which I would also like to do. He thought it was >possibly a Europa Club official. If he is listening, could you please >let me know how you rigged it and if there were any problems? I had >thought of running a pushrod forward from each lever to a torque tube, >but if someone has worked out a good system it would be great to know. > >Thanks, >Keith Hickling, >New Zealand. >XS mono, tail done, wings nearly finished, working on cockpit module. > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:16 AM PST US From: "Simon Smith" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Second throttle lever --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" Justin and Ted (G-ZTED) also have two throttles, both mounted outboard to leave the centre consol free for maps etc. They also have a very different retract lever. There are a few details at http://systemwise.co.uk/europa/schedule.htm Simon -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nigel charles Sent: 24 April 2006 10:50 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Second throttle lever --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" The builder who carried out this mod is Peter Kember. He was the first customer to complete a Europa and has since built another one but I am not sure whether he carried out this mod second time around. As far as I know the mod involved moving the existing throttle rather than adding a second one. Nigel Charles -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith Hickling Sent: 24 April 2006 09:46 Subject: Europa-List: Second throttle lever --> Europa-List message posted by: Keith Hickling Hi All, Andy told me that someone has fitted a second throttle lever for the left hand seat, which I would also like to do. He thought it was possibly a Europa Club official. If he is listening, could you please let me know how you rigged it and if there were any problems? I had thought of running a pushrod forward from each lever to a torque tube, but if someone has worked out a good system it would be great to know. Thanks, Keith Hickling, New Zealand. XS mono, tail done, wings nearly finished, working on cockpit module. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:58 AM PST US From: "Bryan Allsop" Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Friday anyone? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" Hopefully my permit and the weather will come together by Friday. It certainly looks good. Anyone fancy the last pick of the April selection? Bryan. G BYSA Mono XS. PS. BYSA aka 'Sadie' is to be featured in the May edition of Todays Pilot. No leg pulling please! ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:25:03 AM PST US From: "GLENN CROWDER" Cc: gcrowder2@hotmail.com Subject: Europa-List: World release of 300kw Fuelless engine set for July 7 Munich Germany! --> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" The long awaited release of the Perendev 300kw fuelless engine has been formally set for July 7 at the Grand Sheraton on Arabelle Strasse in Munich Germany. World press have been invited! I'm headed to the airport today to start converting my fuel tank into a flying beer keg! Wilbur and Orville would be proud! Glenn http://www.perendev-power.com/My_Homepage_Files/Page45.html ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:31 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Anyone using Decalin lead scavenger in Rotax? From: --> Europa-List message posted by: Anyone using Decalin lead scavenger in Rotax? ACS sells Alcor TCP that is approved for use on Certified Aircraft. Hazmat shipping and not reccomended to carry round in cockpit. ACS P/N 05-21300 ACS also sells Decalin TCP that is not approved for use on Certified Aircraft. No Hazmat shipping and OK to carry round in cockpit. ACS P/N 05-01413 Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:31 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Anyone using Decalin lead scavenger in Rotax? From: --> Europa-List message posted by: Anyone using Decalin lead scavenger in Rotax? ACS sells Alcor TCP that is approved for use on Certified Aircraft. Hazmat shipping and not reccomended to carry round in cockpit. ACS P/N 05-21300 ACS also sells Decalin TCP that is not approved for use on Certified Aircraft. No Hazmat shipping and OK to carry round in cockpit. ACS P/N 05-01413 Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:29:09 PM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: Threading 1/4NPT taps --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" Cheers, As I have said several times, I am a flyer, not a builder by trade and occasionally am trapped by this lack of history. I have devised a manifold form of fuel system which involves mating 1/4NPT [9/16"x18tpi pipe thread] with a block of 1"x1"x3" block of 6061-T6 aluminium, to save space and counteract forward CoG. Into the threaded block goes an AN842-6D fitting, a threaded base onto which is sat a 90deg elbow with a tubing nipple for fuel tubing. The problem is, I can't seem to find the ideal depth of tap so that the fitting is securely threaded and still points in the proper direction. Is there a trick to tapping these sweethearts so that the AN842 matches 105in-lbs of torque (or a bit more) to face in the desired direction? Perume sales personnel or tennis pros need not reply - unless accompanying documentation qualifies........ help Ferg Kyle Europa A064 914 Classic ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:09 PM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: Anyone using Decalin lead scavenger in Rotax? --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us a crit : > --> Europa-List message posted by: > > Anyone using Decalin lead scavenger in Rotax? > > Hi Ron, Why should we ? Any recommendation from Rotax ? Regards, Gilles Thesee Grenoble, France http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:58:30 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Threading 1/4NPT taps From: --> Europa-List message posted by: Hello Fergus "Is there a trick to tapping these sweethearts so that the AN842 > matches 105in-lbs of torque (or a bit more) to face in the desired > direction?" A few thinks I try on pipe threads: Try a few pieces of hardware, sometimes where the thread starts is not the same. You can fill threads with Redux and not worry bout tightening (redux is fuel resistant as long as fully cured You can run a tap in a bit further, a little bit at a time, go to my favorite company www.mcmaster.com for info about taps, you can buy from them with a CC 24/7 Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:47 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Anyone using Decalin lead scavenger in Rotax? From: --> Europa-List message posted by: Hello Gilles ""Anyone using Decalin lead scavenger in Rotax?"" "Why should we ? Any recommendation from Rotax ?" Lead scavenger may help out: Lead fouling of plugs Sticking valves, stems and guides, talking to a Katana mechanic, most times after a climb, reduce throttle and get rough that often will go away. This mystery miss is often mistaken for carb ice Talkin to a guy who was in Italy for a while, 80/80 compression motor would not develop full power, when torn down cylinders coated with lead Sticking rings Combustion chamber deposits, can cause the "D" word Sticking wastegate I forget the exact gearbox problem, think it was slipping slipper clutch Lead gets in the oil, if it percipates out.... Lockwood in US advocates use of TCP, they have not investigated other at this time. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:18 PM PST US From: "Steve Crimm" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Second throttle lever --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" Keith, Here is a link on EuropaOwners.org of my second, left handed throttle. When I purchased the aircraft in 2004 from Jim Nelson he had installed the throttle. He can be reached at rv9jim@juno.com. If you look at the picture you will notice the started button on the front side and on the top is a trim switch for the NSI CAP140 prop. Note: the prop is not installed at this time. I'll help any way I can with questions but keep in mind I didn't make it, I just push it back and forth. Steve N42AH A058 Flying http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album48&id=P1210015&op =modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith Hickling Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 04:46 Subject: Europa-List: Second throttle lever --> Europa-List message posted by: Keith Hickling --> Hi All, Andy told me that someone has fitted a second throttle lever for the left hand seat, which I would also like to do. He thought it was possibly a Europa Club official. If he is listening, could you please let me know how you rigged it and if there were any problems? I had thought of running a pushrod forward from each lever to a torque tube, but if someone has worked out a good system it would be great to know. Thanks, Keith Hickling, New Zealand. XS mono, tail done, wings nearly finished, working on cockpit module. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:18 PM PST US From: "Jim Butcher" Subject: Europa-List: EIS Questin --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" I'm curious as to how those with the EIS engine monitor have connected the Rotax tach wires to your box. Is there a resistor (series or what) or just straight in? Any special mods required by EIS? How about Dynon users? I'm trying to get my Blue Mountain EFIS tach working correctly and trying to see how other companies do it. Thanks Jim Butcher N241BW Test flying ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:29:28 PM PST US From: SPurpura@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: EIS Questin --> Europa-List message posted by: SPurpura@aol.com Connect straight in, if it dont work switch the leads. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:09 PM PST US From: "Jim Brown" Subject: Re: Europa-List: EIS Questin --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Brown" Jim; If you are talking about the Grand Rapids EIS Give Greg a call, he furnished a diagram to me when I was wiring the Rotax Engine sensors to the monitor. Yes his name is Greg also. Has the weather improved to a point that you can fly regular now. Augustene said to tell you and Heather Hello from her. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Butcher" Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 8:09 PM Subject: Europa-List: EIS Questin > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" > > I'm curious as to how those with the EIS engine monitor have connected the > Rotax tach wires to your box. Is there a resistor (series or what) or > just straight in? Any special mods required by EIS? > > How about Dynon users? > > I'm trying to get my Blue Mountain EFIS tach working correctly and trying > to see how other companies do it. > > Thanks > > Jim Butcher > N241BW > Test flying > > >