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1. 01:31 AM - Re: Re: Tuft Testing (Kingsley Hurst)
2. 02:12 AM - Re: Monowheel Jacking (JonSmith)
3. 03:38 AM - Re: Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? (Alan Burrows)
4. 05:38 AM - Re: Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? (R.C.Harrison)
5. 06:52 AM - Re: Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? (Alan Burrows)
6. 07:21 AM - Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? (BEBERRY@aol.com)
7. 07:22 AM - Re: Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? (R.C.Harrison)
8. 07:44 AM - Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? (Gilles Thesee)
9. 09:08 AM - Re: Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? (Horizonspace@aol.com)
10. 09:22 AM - Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? (Jeff B)
11. 11:07 AM - Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? (Gilles Thesee)
12. 11:41 AM - Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? (Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com)
13. 12:22 PM - Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? (Tony Bale)
14. 12:53 PM - Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? (Gilles Thesee)
15. 01:14 PM - Rotax regulator (Richard Holder)
16. 01:38 PM - Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? (Duncan McFadyean)
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| Subject: | RE: Tuft Testing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
Steve Crimm,
Thank you for the links. I am still collecting ideas and the more the
merrier.
Your aircraft looks nice.
Cheers
Kingsley
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| Subject: | RE: Monowheel Jacking |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "JonSmith" <jon.smith680@tesco.net>
Hi - many thanks for the replies to my question about lifting - very much appreciated.
I just didn't want the plane to end up like a banana but you've put my
mind at rest!!
Jon
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| Subject: | RE: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Sorry Steve
I don't have any pictures left of the pump. I must have wiped them off
my PC. I have supplied a lot of these to Europa owners and everyone
seems to agree they work very well. I can fill my aircraft in a couple
of minutes using the pump and it fit nicely into the neck of a 5 gallon
jerry can, so its quite handy. The batteries seem to last an awful long
time and only need changing about every 3 or 4 months. Let me know if
you want one, the cost is 28UKP or 55 USD which includes postage.
Kind Regards
Alan
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of scrimm
Sent: 04 May 2006 18:31
Subject: Europa-List: RE: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "scrimm"
--> <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
Alan,
Can you provide some pictures or a link for the transfer pump your
talking about?
Thanks,
Steve
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| Subject: | RE: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Well 5 minutes! and the batteries do last ages, and the price has gone
down ! You really need to stand the can on the wing or in my case I but
it on the P2 head rest.
regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Burrows
Sent: 05 May 2006 11:39
Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Sorry Steve
I don't have any pictures left of the pump. I must have wiped them off
my PC. I have supplied a lot of these to Europa owners and everyone
seems to agree they work very well. I can fill my aircraft in a couple
of minutes using the pump and it fit nicely into the neck of a 5 gallon
jerry can, so its quite handy. The batteries seem to last an awful long
time and only need changing about every 3 or 4 months. Let me know if
you want one, the cost is 28UKP or 55 USD which includes postage.
Kind Regards
Alan
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| Subject: | RE: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hi Bob
The reason the price went down is because I got the last lot in bulk and
passed on the discount.
Alan
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
R.C.Harrison
Sent: 05 May 2006 13:34
Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
--> <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Well 5 minutes! and the batteries do last ages, and the price has gone
down ! You really need to stand the can on the wing or in my case I but
it on the P2 head rest. regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Burrows
Sent: 05 May 2006 11:39
Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Sorry Steve
I don't have any pictures left of the pump. I must have wiped them off
my PC. I have supplied a lot of these to Europa owners and everyone
seems to agree they work very well. I can fill my aircraft in a couple
of minutes using the pump and it fit nicely into the neck of a 5 gallon
jerry can, so its quite handy. The batteries seem to last an awful long
time and only need changing about every 3 or 4 months. Let me know if
you want one, the cost is 28UKP or 55 USD which includes postage. Kind
Regards
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
In a message dated 04/05/2006 15:29:25 GMT Daylight Time,
rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes:
3) What is favorite way of carrying gas from a Mogas pump to plane when
you are going somewhere away from home?
a) Don't do it and buy 100LL?
b) Use aux tank to transport fuel, or is it too heavy to put in plane when
full?
c) Other?
This has long been a bit of a puzzle to me Ron and may - if I get to fly to
France this year - become a real problem.
A friend with a 912 Pulsar carries a 25 litre portable plastic container in
the back (is this legal) and then has to beg a lift or hire a taxi to the
nearest petrol station for a fill up. This always seems to be horribly
unsatisfactory.
Any ideas would be most welcome.
Patrick
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| Subject: | RE: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Alan
You are an angel! Just testing you ! I have no complaints that's why I
spoke well of the pump.
Regards
Bob H
Do not archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Burrows
Sent: 05 May 2006 14:51
Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows"
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hi Bob
The reason the price went down is because I got the last lot in bulk and
passed on the discount.
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
R.C.Harrison
Sent: 05 May 2006 13:34
Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel?
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison"
--> <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Well 5 minutes! and the batteries do last ages, and the price has gone
down ! You really need to stand the can on the wing or in my case I but
it on the P2 head rest. regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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| Subject: | Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
>
>
> This has long been a bit of a puzzle to me Ron and may - if I get to fly to
> France this year - become a real problem.
>
> A friend with a 912 Pulsar carries a 25 litre portable plastic container in
> the back (is this legal) and then has to beg a lift or hire a taxi to the
> nearest petrol station for a fill up. This always seems to be horribly
> unsatisfactory.
>
> Any ideas would be most welcome.
>
>
>
Hi Patrick,
I'm living and flying in France.
I'm sure you'll have no problem getting a lift to the nearest gas
station on any airfield here in France. You'll be even more successful
if you ask ultralight pilots. They virtually always refuel with plastic
jerrycans.
If you don't have the little pump discussed on this list, remember most
ultralights are high wings and they always have a step at hand.
If you happen to land at Vienne (LFHH), I'll be glad to take you to the
petrol station.
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
http://contrails.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Horizonspace@aol.com
Search for "siphon pump" on Google and you will find many sources for
affordable pumps using 2 "D" Cells. They are commonly used for kerosene transfer.
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| Subject: | Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff B <topglock@cox.net>
My 912S doesn't care, one way or the other, so I buy whatever is
available. I'll use 100LL before using less than 93 octane Mogas...
Jeff - Baby Blue
171 hours
BEBERRY@aol.com wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
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> In a message dated 04/05/2006 15:29:25 GMT Daylight Time,
> rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes:
>
> 3) What is favorite way of carrying gas from a Mogas pump to plane when
> you are going somewhere away from home?
> a) Don't do it and buy 100LL?
> b) Use aux tank to transport fuel, or is it too heavy to put in plane when
> full?
> c) Other?
>
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>
> This has long been a bit of a puzzle to me Ron and may - if I get to fly to
> France this year - become a real problem.
>
> A friend with a 912 Pulsar carries a 25 litre portable plastic container in
> the back (is this legal) and then has to beg a lift or hire a taxi to the
> nearest petrol station for a fill up. This always seems to be horribly
> unsatisfactory.
>
> Any ideas would be most welcome.
>
> Patrick
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| Subject: | Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Jeff B a crit :
>
> My 912S doesn't care, one way or the other, so I buy whatever is
> available. I'll use 100LL before using less than 93 octane Mogas...
>
>
>> This has long been a bit of a puzzle to me Ron and may - if I get to fly to
>> France this year - become a real problem.
>>
>>
>>
In France we have 95 and 98 Mogas.
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
http://contrails.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com
Was there a thread, sometime ago, about the various octane ratings?
If memory serves me, my local Canadian pump says 91MON octane rating, or
something similar, for the premium fuel.
The 912S and 914 both run well on the available premium fuel, and it
appears that for the immediate future, ethanol will not be blended into
the premium fuel here, just into the regular.
Dave A061
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Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Sent by: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
05/05/2006 02:02 PM
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To: europa-list@matronics.com
cc:
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel?
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee
<Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Jeff B a crit :
>
> My 912S doesn't care, one way or the other, so I buy whatever is
> available. I'll use 100LL before using less than 93 octane Mogas...
>
>
>> This has long been a bit of a puzzle to me Ron and may - if I get to
fly to
>> France this year - become a real problem.
>>
>>
>>
In France we have 95 and 98 Mogas.
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
http://contrails.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Bale" <tony.bale@virgin.net>
Hi Ron,
We buy pump fuel from the car filling stations and transport
in 20l jerry cans - however it is getting increasingly difficult over here
due regulations. Some officious little Hitler waved a document at me the
other day saying metal cans have to be screw top and you can only carry a
small amount. Apparently the answer is to buy unleaded green plastic 5l cans
and lots of them - how stupid is that !!
Back to the question. We transfer using a polythene hand pump and fill via a
chamois lined funnel - we never fail to filter. Only use Avgas when we have
to - mortgagae job over here to buy it !!
Regarding 914 ground temps you asked me about. A friend has the XS tri gear
with 914, afraid to say prolonged taxiing in anything approaching moderate
to high ambient temperatures even with Evans is to be avoided.
PS gear spring works "just dandy"
Tony.
----- Original Message -----
From: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 3:22 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
> Curious
>
> 1) What is favorite way of those flying to filter fuel before it goes into
> your tank?
>
> 2) Has anyone ever tried to put lets say 2 parallel Pro-805 filters in
> neck of a funnel? Or would that be too much restriction if you wanted to
> complete filling tank before bedtime?
>
> 3) What is favorite way of carrying gas from a Mogas pump to plane when
> you are going somewhere away from home?
> a) Don't do it and buy 100LL?
> b) Use aux tank to transport fuel, or is it too heavy to put in plane when
> full?
> c) Other?
>
> Thx.
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Tony and all,
> fill via a
> chamois lined funnel -
I just bought a Mr Funnel. Seems to work as advertised.
> moderate
> to high ambient temperatures even with Evans is to be avoided.
>
No wonder. Using Evans will definitely *increase* operating
temperatures, due to its lesser specific heat.
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
http://contrails.free.fr
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Team
I am still struggling with my regulator problem.
My original regulator (RR1) did 170 hours and then went
intermittent on me, working for a while and then failing
to charge. I tried re-soldering some of the connections
but it failed again 10 flights later :-) When it was
working my (analogue) ammeter showed a steady needle
position (which of course depended on the level of charge).
I have purchased another regulator (RR2) and this works
but exhibits another apparent problem. It charges fine but
once the engine revs get above 4600 the ammeter needle
starts to oscillate 3 - 5 times a second between 1 and 5
amps, and it continues to do so more and more violently up
to max revs. I find this very distracting, and if the
ammeter is right it means that the charging voltage is
oscillating between the normal 15 volts and maybe 17 volts.
I have tried other regulators (thank you Simon and Gavin)
and they do not exhibit this oscillation.
In addition I know of two regulators purchased from
Lockwood in the US which have the same symptoms.
SkyDrive's initial attitude was - throw away the ammeter !
However they have accepted it back and are sending me
another one. They will send it to Rotax for a proper test.
Has anyone else had this problem when they have replaced
the RR with a new one ? It would only be evident with an
analogue ammeter.
It is possible that the regulator design was changed
sometime last year, or maybe the circuit board was
redesigned with a small flaw in it. Older RR seem to be
OK, later ones not so. The ones that oscillate have been
date stamped Nov 2005 and Jan 2006.
Richard
G-OWWW High Cross
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| Subject: | Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
See :
http://www.turtlepac.com/sportair.htm
But not UK-legal.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: <BEBERRY@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel?
> --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 04/05/2006 15:29:25 GMT Daylight Time,
> rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes:
>
> 3) What is favorite way of carrying gas from a Mogas pump to plane when
> you are going somewhere away from home?
> a) Don't do it and buy 100LL?
> b) Use aux tank to transport fuel, or is it too heavy to put in plane
> when
> full?
> c) Other?
>
>
> This has long been a bit of a puzzle to me Ron and may - if I get to fly
> to
> France this year - become a real problem.
>
> A friend with a 912 Pulsar carries a 25 litre portable plastic container
> in
> the back (is this legal) and then has to beg a lift or hire a taxi to the
> nearest petrol station for a fill up. This always seems to be horribly
> unsatisfactory.
>
> Any ideas would be most welcome.
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
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