---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/05/06: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:31 AM - Re: Re: Tuft Testing (Kingsley Hurst) 2. 02:12 AM - Re: Monowheel Jacking (JonSmith) 3. 03:38 AM - Re: Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? (Alan Burrows) 4. 05:38 AM - Re: Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? (R.C.Harrison) 5. 06:52 AM - Re: Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? (Alan Burrows) 6. 07:21 AM - Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? (BEBERRY@aol.com) 7. 07:22 AM - Re: Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? (R.C.Harrison) 8. 07:44 AM - Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? (Gilles Thesee) 9. 09:08 AM - Re: Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? (Horizonspace@aol.com) 10. 09:22 AM - Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? (Jeff B) 11. 11:07 AM - Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? (Gilles Thesee) 12. 11:41 AM - Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? (Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com) 13. 12:22 PM - Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? (Tony Bale) 14. 12:53 PM - Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? (Gilles Thesee) 15. 01:14 PM - Rotax regulator (Richard Holder) 16. 01:38 PM - Re: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? (Duncan McFadyean) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:45 AM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Tuft Testing --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" Steve Crimm, Thank you for the links. I am still collecting ideas and the more the merrier. Your aircraft looks nice. Cheers Kingsley Do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:12:37 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: RE: Monowheel Jacking From: "JonSmith" --> Europa-List message posted by: "JonSmith" Hi - many thanks for the replies to my question about lifting - very much appreciated. I just didn't want the plane to end up like a banana but you've put my mind at rest!! Jon ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:38:33 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Sorry Steve I don't have any pictures left of the pump. I must have wiped them off my PC. I have supplied a lot of these to Europa owners and everyone seems to agree they work very well. I can fill my aircraft in a couple of minutes using the pump and it fit nicely into the neck of a 5 gallon jerry can, so its quite handy. The batteries seem to last an awful long time and only need changing about every 3 or 4 months. Let me know if you want one, the cost is 28UKP or 55 USD which includes postage. Kind Regards Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of scrimm Sent: 04 May 2006 18:31 Subject: Europa-List: RE: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? --> Europa-List message posted by: "scrimm" --> Alan, Can you provide some pictures or a link for the transfer pump your talking about? Thanks, Steve ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:11 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Well 5 minutes! and the batteries do last ages, and the price has gone down ! You really need to stand the can on the wing or in my case I but it on the P2 head rest. regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows Sent: 05 May 2006 11:39 Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Sorry Steve I don't have any pictures left of the pump. I must have wiped them off my PC. I have supplied a lot of these to Europa owners and everyone seems to agree they work very well. I can fill my aircraft in a couple of minutes using the pump and it fit nicely into the neck of a 5 gallon jerry can, so its quite handy. The batteries seem to last an awful long time and only need changing about every 3 or 4 months. Let me know if you want one, the cost is 28UKP or 55 USD which includes postage. Kind Regards Alan ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:12 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Hi Bob The reason the price went down is because I got the last lot in bulk and passed on the discount. Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison Sent: 05 May 2006 13:34 Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" --> Well 5 minutes! and the batteries do last ages, and the price has gone down ! You really need to stand the can on the wing or in my case I but it on the P2 head rest. regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows Sent: 05 May 2006 11:39 Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Sorry Steve I don't have any pictures left of the pump. I must have wiped them off my PC. I have supplied a lot of these to Europa owners and everyone seems to agree they work very well. I can fill my aircraft in a couple of minutes using the pump and it fit nicely into the neck of a 5 gallon jerry can, so its quite handy. The batteries seem to last an awful long time and only need changing about every 3 or 4 months. Let me know if you want one, the cost is 28UKP or 55 USD which includes postage. Kind Regards Alan ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:27 AM PST US From: BEBERRY@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com In a message dated 04/05/2006 15:29:25 GMT Daylight Time, rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes: 3) What is favorite way of carrying gas from a Mogas pump to plane when you are going somewhere away from home? a) Don't do it and buy 100LL? b) Use aux tank to transport fuel, or is it too heavy to put in plane when full? c) Other? This has long been a bit of a puzzle to me Ron and may - if I get to fly to France this year - become a real problem. A friend with a 912 Pulsar carries a 25 litre portable plastic container in the back (is this legal) and then has to beg a lift or hire a taxi to the nearest petrol station for a fill up. This always seems to be horribly unsatisfactory. Any ideas would be most welcome. Patrick ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:38 AM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Alan You are an angel! Just testing you ! I have no complaints that's why I spoke well of the pump. Regards Bob H Do not archive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrows Sent: 05 May 2006 14:51 Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" Hi Bob The reason the price went down is because I got the last lot in bulk and passed on the discount. Alan -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison Sent: 05 May 2006 13:34 Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" --> Well 5 minutes! and the batteries do last ages, and the price has gone down ! You really need to stand the can on the wing or in my case I but it on the P2 head rest. regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:46 AM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee > > > This has long been a bit of a puzzle to me Ron and may - if I get to fly to > France this year - become a real problem. > > A friend with a 912 Pulsar carries a 25 litre portable plastic container in > the back (is this legal) and then has to beg a lift or hire a taxi to the > nearest petrol station for a fill up. This always seems to be horribly > unsatisfactory. > > Any ideas would be most welcome. > > > Hi Patrick, I'm living and flying in France. I'm sure you'll have no problem getting a lift to the nearest gas station on any airfield here in France. You'll be even more successful if you ask ultralight pilots. They virtually always refuel with plastic jerrycans. If you don't have the little pump discussed on this list, remember most ultralights are high wings and they always have a step at hand. If you happen to land at Vienne (LFHH), I'll be glad to take you to the petrol station. Regards, Gilles Thesee Grenoble, France http://contrails.free.fr > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:08:07 AM PST US From: Horizonspace@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? --> Europa-List message posted by: Horizonspace@aol.com Search for "siphon pump" on Google and you will find many sources for affordable pumps using 2 "D" Cells. They are commonly used for kerosene transfer. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:07 AM PST US From: Jeff B Subject: Re: Europa-List: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? --> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff B My 912S doesn't care, one way or the other, so I buy whatever is available. I'll use 100LL before using less than 93 octane Mogas... Jeff - Baby Blue 171 hours BEBERRY@aol.com wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com > > > In a message dated 04/05/2006 15:29:25 GMT Daylight Time, > rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes: > > 3) What is favorite way of carrying gas from a Mogas pump to plane when > you are going somewhere away from home? > a) Don't do it and buy 100LL? > b) Use aux tank to transport fuel, or is it too heavy to put in plane when > full? > c) Other? > > > > > This has long been a bit of a puzzle to me Ron and may - if I get to fly to > France this year - become a real problem. > > A friend with a 912 Pulsar carries a 25 litre portable plastic container in > the back (is this legal) and then has to beg a lift or hire a taxi to the > nearest petrol station for a fill up. This always seems to be horribly > unsatisfactory. > > Any ideas would be most welcome. > > Patrick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.4/332 - Release Date: 5/4/2006 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:14 AM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee Jeff B a crit : > > My 912S doesn't care, one way or the other, so I buy whatever is > available. I'll use 100LL before using less than 93 octane Mogas... > > >> This has long been a bit of a puzzle to me Ron and may - if I get to fly to >> France this year - become a real problem. >> >> >> In France we have 95 and 98 Mogas. Regards, Gilles Thesee Grenoble, France http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? From: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com --> Europa-List message posted by: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com Was there a thread, sometime ago, about the various octane ratings? If memory serves me, my local Canadian pump says 91MON octane rating, or something similar, for the premium fuel. The 912S and 914 both run well on the available premium fuel, and it appears that for the immediate future, ethanol will not be blended into the premium fuel here, just into the regular. Dave A061 do not archive Gilles Thesee Sent by: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com 05/05/2006 02:02 PM Please respond to europa-list To: europa-list@matronics.com cc: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee Jeff B a crit : > > My 912S doesn't care, one way or the other, so I buy whatever is > available. I'll use 100LL before using less than 93 octane Mogas... > > >> This has long been a bit of a puzzle to me Ron and may - if I get to fly to >> France this year - become a real problem. >> >> >> In France we have 95 and 98 Mogas. Regards, Gilles Thesee Grenoble, France http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:22:34 PM PST US From: "Tony Bale" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Bale" Hi Ron, We buy pump fuel from the car filling stations and transport in 20l jerry cans - however it is getting increasingly difficult over here due regulations. Some officious little Hitler waved a document at me the other day saying metal cans have to be screw top and you can only carry a small amount. Apparently the answer is to buy unleaded green plastic 5l cans and lots of them - how stupid is that !! Back to the question. We transfer using a polythene hand pump and fill via a chamois lined funnel - we never fail to filter. Only use Avgas when we have to - mortgagae job over here to buy it !! Regarding 914 ground temps you asked me about. A friend has the XS tri gear with 914, afraid to say prolonged taxiing in anything approaching moderate to high ambient temperatures even with Evans is to be avoided. PS gear spring works "just dandy" Tony. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 3:22 PM Subject: Europa-List: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? > --> Europa-List message posted by: > > Curious > > 1) What is favorite way of those flying to filter fuel before it goes into > your tank? > > 2) Has anyone ever tried to put lets say 2 parallel Pro-805 filters in > neck of a funnel? Or would that be too much restriction if you wanted to > complete filling tank before bedtime? > > 3) What is favorite way of carrying gas from a Mogas pump to plane when > you are going somewhere away from home? > a) Don't do it and buy 100LL? > b) Use aux tank to transport fuel, or is it too heavy to put in plane when > full? > c) Other? > > Thx. > Ron Parigoris > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:41 PM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee Tony and all, > fill via a > chamois lined funnel - I just bought a Mr Funnel. Seems to work as advertised. > moderate > to high ambient temperatures even with Evans is to be avoided. > No wonder. Using Evans will definitely *increase* operating temperatures, due to its lesser specific heat. Regards, Gilles Thesee Grenoble, France http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:43 PM PST US From: Richard Holder Subject: Europa-List: Rotax regulator --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder Team I am still struggling with my regulator problem. My original regulator (RR1) did 170 hours and then went intermittent on me, working for a while and then failing to charge. I tried re-soldering some of the connections but it failed again 10 flights later :-) When it was working my (analogue) ammeter showed a steady needle position (which of course depended on the level of charge). I have purchased another regulator (RR2) and this works but exhibits another apparent problem. It charges fine but once the engine revs get above 4600 the ammeter needle starts to oscillate 3 - 5 times a second between 1 and 5 amps, and it continues to do so more and more violently up to max revs. I find this very distracting, and if the ammeter is right it means that the charging voltage is oscillating between the normal 15 volts and maybe 17 volts. I have tried other regulators (thank you Simon and Gavin) and they do not exhibit this oscillation. In addition I know of two regulators purchased from Lockwood in the US which have the same symptoms. SkyDrive's initial attitude was - throw away the ammeter ! However they have accepted it back and are sending me another one. They will send it to Rotax for a proper test. Has anyone else had this problem when they have replaced the RR with a new one ? It would only be evident with an analogue ammeter. It is possible that the regulator design was changed sometime last year, or maybe the circuit board was redesigned with a small flaw in it. Older RR seem to be OK, later ones not so. The ones that oscillate have been date stamped Nov 2005 and Jan 2006. Richard G-OWWW High Cross ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:38:29 PM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" See : http://www.turtlepac.com/sportair.htm But not UK-legal. Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Favorite way to filter and carry fuel? > --> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com > > > In a message dated 04/05/2006 15:29:25 GMT Daylight Time, > rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes: > > 3) What is favorite way of carrying gas from a Mogas pump to plane when > you are going somewhere away from home? > a) Don't do it and buy 100LL? > b) Use aux tank to transport fuel, or is it too heavy to put in plane > when > full? > c) Other? > > > This has long been a bit of a puzzle to me Ron and may - if I get to fly > to > France this year - become a real problem. > > A friend with a 912 Pulsar carries a 25 litre portable plastic container > in > the back (is this legal) and then has to beg a lift or hire a taxi to the > nearest petrol station for a fill up. This always seems to be horribly > unsatisfactory. > > Any ideas would be most welcome. > > Patrick > > >