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1. 03:18 AM - Re: ...and another thing (RobsonPR)
2. 03:39 AM - Re: ...and another thing (BEBERRY@aol.com)
3. 04:34 AM - Re: ...and another thing (nigel charles)
4. 05:16 AM - Wing Cradles (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
5. 05:51 AM - Re: Wing Cradles (Paul McAllister)
6. 05:58 AM - Re: Re: ...and another thing (Paul McAllister)
7. 06:17 AM - Re: ...and another thing (Duncan McFadyean)
8. 06:38 AM - Re: Wing Cradles (R.C.Harrison)
9. 06:38 AM - Re: ...and another thing (Duncan McFadyean)
10. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: ...and another thing (R.C.Harrison)
11. 08:07 AM - Re: ...and another thing (nigel charles)
12. 12:05 PM - Re: Steel nose wheel springs (Andrew Morgan)
13. 12:28 PM - Re: ...and another thing (Duncan McFadyean)
14. 03:37 PM - Re: Steel nose wheel springs (Alan Burrows)
15. 04:43 PM - Bonding top fuse, opinions on splash ()
16. 05:24 PM - Re: Steel nose wheel springs (Garry)
17. 05:31 PM - Re: Bonding top fuse, opinions on splash (SPurpura@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: ...and another thing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: RobsonPR <robsonpr@clear.net.nz>
Tony, I think you've got a few things wrong, old chap.
I had to have a 40 hour flight test period and I can't see why anybody
should get away with any less.
>From whom did you get permission to land on the beach? ?Te Rauparaha? You
probably need a quota to collect those muscles.
But the main point is, all this business about ground loops and breaking
propeller blades can at least be ameliorated in three ways. One is to say to
yourself three times on your take off and three times on your short final
"STICK BACK. STICK BACK. STICK BACK" and as soon as you are on the ground,
do it. Do not answer to the reflex to check forward when you bounce.
Another is, fit a Robson mod to your Singleton tail wheel/rudder mod with
your tail wheel cables attached 100mm out from the centre line. This results
in the wheel being deflected to the same angle (30 degrees) as the rudder
instead of a greater angle which is the cause of the twitchiness and
steering difficulty at fast and moderate taxiing speeds. It also takes a
longer pedal movement to achieve the same tail wheel movement and is
therefore more controllable.
Another aid is to have a little bit of sticky tape at the base of your
windscreen which is lined up with a small aerial type of thing half way down
your cowling arranged so that the (imaginary) line from one to the other is
exactly parallel to the axis of the fuselage. You use these markers and a
tree dead ahead on the horizon to line the plane up perfectly as you set
down. Until I put this gadget on I would not have believed I could be so far
out when thinking that the plane was straight for landing. If you always
sit with the same posture you can also use this set up to make sure you are
getting the tail wheel down first. I always sit in the same posture. The
breadth of my butt does not allow anything else!
Regards, Peter.
from Peter Robson Robsonpr@clear.net.nz.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: ...and another thing
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>
>
> I've had the pleasure of flying both mono and trike versions of the
> Europa and have just been asked to do the 25 hour test flight programme
> on a Europa trike that's about to arrive in NZ which I will happily do.
>
> If you have nice fat tarmac runways that you always operate off then the
> trike is great - but in places where grass is the dominant surface and
> some of those surfaces are unprepared (and at times quite narrow) then
> I'd take a monowheel into those locations anytime whereas I'd think
> twice about using the trike off those strips.
>
> One of Ivan's design considerations was that the aircraft should be able
> to operate of an unprepared farm field hence the monowheel
> configuration. Many pilot's, myself included, love the monowheel
> configuration and no, I don't end each landing feeling that I've just
> survived an horrific experience. The mono has actually taught me how to
> correctly land an aircraft and I wouldn't have missed acquiring that
> skill for anything.
>
> The mono is great for taking to the beach as it handle firm sand
> beautifully. It's hard to beat landing a monowheel Europa on a deserted
> black sand beach, cooking up a batch of big NZ greenlip mussels
> collected off the rocks and then flying home after a most satisfying
> day.
>
> Believe me, the trike at times, with its finger brakes, can be just as
> 'entertaining' to handle as the monowheel. Like all aircraft it takes
> practice, experience and good airmanship to handle an aircraft well, be
> it a monowheel or a trike
>
> The mono v strike debate will go on for as long as there is a Europa
> flying. Some people will never feel comfortable flying the monowheel and
> for those people they have the opportunity to fly the trike. For those
> of us who have got to know the monowheel you just have to accept that we
> love using our aircraft in locations which are ideally suited to the
> design and have a propensity for walking around with stupid grins on our
> faces after flying one.
>
> Regards
>
> Tony
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
Mono v Trike?? I have no comments about the flying characteristics and th=
e
difficulties of landing and taking off for eirther type on differing
terrains , having only a relatively small experience of both...BUT..the mon=
o just
does not look like a proper aeroplane. Why should this affect my judgement?=
I
don't really know except for a natural prejudice which is the same one that=
persuades me that even for =A31 a day all in no-one would persuade me to ta=
ke a
trip on one of these new cruise ships that look like nothing more than a
block of flats on a raft.
Personally if you want to go for both looks and safety, coupled with decent=
all terrain usability, then a conventional tail dragger is best. There are=
one or two around and they are great.
A bit of a stir to raise some comment!
Patrick
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| Subject: | ...and another thing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk>
I agree that on the ground the monowheel looks a bit strange. However
when it is in the air with the gear retracted I think it looks the part
more than the trigear.
With regards to a conventional tailtragger version it would be a more
viable proposition if the airframe was designed for it in the first
place. The positioning of the hard points for mounting the main gear in
this configuration calls for some inventive engineering. The engineer in
the UK who has done about 6 of these conversions reckons to allow about
2 months to do the work and he is familiar with the job. I believe, like
the trigear, it adds more weight to the airframe and only slightly eases
the handling skills required. One conventionally geared Europa a few
years ago sheared an undercarriage leg after a groundloop. Whilst this
was totally the fault of the pilot it shows that it is not the answer if
you wish to make the handling easier.
Nigel Charles
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BEBERRY@aol.com
Sent: 13 May 2006 11:38
Subject: Re: Europa-List: ...and another thing
--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
Mono v Trike?? I have no comments about the flying characteristics
and th=
e
difficulties of landing and taking off for eirther type on differing
terrains , having only a relatively small experience of both...BUT..the
mon=
o just
does not look like a proper aeroplane. Why should this affect my
judgement?=
I
don't really know except for a natural prejudice which is the same one
that=
persuades me that even for =A31 a day all in no-one would persuade me
to ta=
ke a
trip on one of these new cruise ships that look like nothing more than
a
block of flats on a raft.
Personally if you want to go for both looks and safety, coupled with
decent=
all terrain usability, then a conventional tail dragger is best. There
are=
one or two around and they are great.
A bit of a stir to raise some comment!
Patrick
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--> Europa-List message posted by: jimpuglise@comcast.net
I am in the process of making my wing cradles. What experience have people had
with the material used to line them? I will also need to make a set for my trailer
and am anxious to avoid "hangar rash" after the wings are painted.
Jim-A-286, Punta Gorda FL
<html><body>
<DIV>I am in the process of making my wing cradles. What experience have
people had with the material used to line them? I will also need to make
a set for my trailer and am anxious to avoid "hangar rash" after the wings are
painted. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jim-A-286, Punta Gorda FL</DIV></body></html>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Jim,
I used carpet strips about 150mm wide, it seemed to work fine. - Paul
----------------
>jimpuglise@comcast.net
>I am in the process of making my wing cradles. What experience have people
>had with the material used to line them?
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Well, I think Ferg had a bit of time on his hands and is just twisting our
tails.
Just think about it for a moment. Us guys that have finished our aircraft
have it pretty tough, gee on the weekends there is none of this going out to
comfy workshop stuff, no, we have to figure out where are going to have to
fly. Hmm, what should I do, perhaps take a run up to Lake Superior, or
should I fly the Chicago skyline and stop for a lunch.... decisions,
decisions.
Then there are the evening, when I have to figure out where I am going for
my next cross country, oh darn, should I take it down to the Bahamas again,
or over to the Canadian Rockies for week. Gee we have it tough.
And then there is the problem of finding of a loo or getting a bite to eat,
gee should I stop and that nice litte airport below and borrow the crew car,
or should we not....
Ferg and the other builder have it so easy, hmm let me see, what should I do
next, ahh, lets open the Europa build manual and see. Time to eat or hit
the loo... gee lets run in from the workshop.
No doubt about it, Ferg has it easy.
Paul
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: ...and another thing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Hear hear!
Duncan Mcf.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <BEBERRY@aol.com>
then a conventional tail dragger is best. There are=
> one or two around and they are great.
> Patrick
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Jim
I used a loop of conveyor belting lined with carpeting making sure the
countersunk bolts and nuts are completely out of the way of the wing
surfaces. If you go to the Matronics photo share pages and look for Self
Rigging Photos posted under my name on Aug 13 DSC 00138jpg "End View of
Wing in Clamp" you can see my two carpeted cradles, they are on pivots
to allow the wings to be lifted over them so they pivot back up to act
as cradles. One (Starboard side) is laid down and one (Port side) is in
travel mode (up) in the photo. Both without the wings in place.
I have in the region of 600 hours and I would estimate about the same
number of rig and dismantles to my name without damage or trailer
rash.(other than by my own carelessness!)The aircraft had travelled
hundreds of miles in this trailer, without the wings vertically
restrained, (such vertical restraint on the trailing edge can result in
damage from the "tie downs") mine are just pinned through the spars.
However the trailer is a double axle with the axles load linked for
smooth travel and the whole rig being so heavy has no chance of bouncing
!
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jimpuglise@comcast.net
Sent: 13 May 2006 13:14
Subject: Europa-List: Wing Cradles
--> Europa-List message posted by: jimpuglise@comcast.net
I am in the process of making my wing cradles. What experience have
people had with the material used to line them? I will also need to
make a set for my trailer and am anxious to avoid "hangar rash" after
the wings are painted.
Jim-A-286, Punta Gorda FL
<html><body>
<DIV>I am in the process of making my wing cradles. What
experience have people had with the material used to line them? I
will also need to make a set for my trailer and am anxious to avoid
"hangar rash" after the wings are painted. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jim-A-286, Punta Gorda FL</DIV></body></html>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Not quite correct Nigel.
I've done two conventional gear conversions and they took 100 hours each;
these did not include the shortcuts that were incorporated in the '6 or so'
others.
The 'inventive engineering' is already included in the design of the
conversion and, whilst probably being over-engineered, provides a lighter
undercarriage than the mono. The handling is, according to one Europa test
pilot (who has his own mono), vastly improved.
The gear leg that sheared was groundlooped in to long hummocky grass,
resulting in the wheel digging-in laterally and side-loading the leg well
beyond its FAR23-compliant design. At which point the handling would, as you
say, become less easy! But try that with a mono and the outriggers may get
damaged and/or the LG01 distorted.
I do agree that the mono looks better in the air (with the wheel retracted),
but there is no drag advantage (except in the landing configuration when the
extended wheel provides a useful airbrake, reducing float).
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "nigel charles" <nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 12:30 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: ...and another thing
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> I agree that on the ground the monowheel looks a bit strange. However
> when it is in the air with the gear retracted I think it looks the part
> more than the trigear.
>
> With regards to a conventional tailtragger version it would be a more
> viable proposition if the airframe was designed for it in the first
> place. The positioning of the hard points for mounting the main gear in
> this configuration calls for some inventive engineering. The engineer in
> the UK who has done about 6 of these conversions reckons to allow about
> 2 months to do the work and he is familiar with the job. I believe, like
> the trigear, it adds more weight to the airframe and only slightly eases
> the handling skills required. One conventionally geared Europa a few
> years ago sheared an undercarriage leg after a groundloop. Whilst this
> was totally the fault of the pilot it shows that it is not the answer if
> you wish to make the handling easier.
>
> Nigel Charles
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
If Ferg needs a bit of "gee up" motivation he should take a look at
the "Spirit Lifters" I posted on the Matronics Photo Share System 23
October 2005 and the one of the "Vulcan and Concord" 9th July 2005.
Eat your heart out Ferg.!!!!
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru3300
Do not archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
McAllister
Sent: 13 May 2006 13:58
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: ...and another thing
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Well, I think Ferg had a bit of time on his hands and is just twisting
our
tails.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk>
>I've done two conventional gear conversions and they took 100 hours
each;
these did not include the shortcuts that were incorporated in the '6 or
so'
others.<
You are obviously quicker than David Hunter who has done about 6
conversions.
>The 'inventive engineering' is already included in the design of the
conversion and, whilst probably being over-engineered, provides a
lighter
undercarriage than the mono. The handling is, according to one Europa
test
pilot (who has his own mono), vastly improved.<
Some of David's conversions were significantly heavier after completion.
>The gear leg that sheared was groundlooped in to long hummocky grass,
resulting in the wheel digging-in laterally and side-loading the leg
well
beyond its FAR23-compliant design. At which point the handling would, as
you
say, become less easy! But try that with a mono and the outriggers may
get
damaged and/or the LG01 distorted.<
I did say that it was pilot error. There was no criticism of the
conventional gear engineering. My point was that either version can be
groundlooped.
Nigel
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| Subject: | Re: Steel nose wheel springs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Andrew Morgan" <themorgans@fairadsl.co.uk>
Hi Jac,
G-MFHI based at Rochester,Kent would be very interested in buying a set of
springs. Please contact me with details (if there are any left).
Thanks Andrew.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jac van Heeswijk" <jac.vanheeswijk@hetnet.nl>
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:17 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Steel nose wheel springs
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jac van Heeswijk"
> <jac.vanheeswijk@hetnet.nl>
>
> The Factory Tech Talk page in the March edition of the Europa Flyer =
> describes the substitution of the nose leg bungee by two metal springs. =
> This modification was initiated in the Netherlands by Nico Groot and in =
> the meantime several dutch builders have applied it in their trigears. =
> These springs were developed and made by the same dutch factory and they =
> were also used by Ian Rickard in his PFA approved mod nr. 71.
>
>
> Might any builder want a set of these springs for immediate delivery, I =
> have ordered 10 pairs at the factory in order to save on machine =
> installation expenses. This way I have now 6 pairs left at the cost =
> price of 100,00 Euro (GBP 67,00 - US$ 125,00) a pair plus shipment =
> (priority shipment to Canada was 30 Euro last week, USA will be about =
> the same, England ??).
>
>
> I don't want to make a profit, just maybe an investment in some =
> prospective friends. One of these days I will be shipping some pairs to =
> England (Lincolnshire). For 3 or 4 people this is a chance to get a pair =
> without delay at a cheap price. First in first out. If somebody is =
> interested let him take contact with me. Email works best!
>
>
> Jack van Heeswijk, the Netherlands (394, almost flying)
>
>
> --
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>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
----- Original Message -----
From: "nigel charles" <nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> You are obviously quicker than David Hunter who has done about 6
> conversions.
I doubt it! David is a professional; I'm just a keen amateur. In any case,
the speed of hte resin tends to drive the pace during the main elements of
hte work.
> Some of David's conversions were significantly heavier after completion.
Probably because, by the time the aircraft was converted, it had gained
weight through other means; as aircraft tend to do.
There is little opportumity for variance in weight of the various
components; the gear legs come out within ounces of each other, a
resin-rich layup could add a pound or two, and there is some flexibility in
the choice of wheels/brakes/tyres which could add a couple more pounds.
> I did say that it was pilot error. There was no criticism of the
> conventional gear engineering. My point was that either version can be
> groundlooped.
Then we are agreed that the conclusion you draw i.e. "......shows that it
(ie the conversion) is not the answer..." does not follow from the debate
and we should instead be talking about pilot training. I don't dispute that
the taildragger conversion is still a taildragger and as such has a
potential to groundloop, but I still await the day (300+ landings to date)
that my converted Europa groundloops.
Duncan McF.
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| Subject: | Re: Steel nose wheel springs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hi Jack
I would like a set of your springs if you have any left.Just let me know
where and to send the money.
Many Thanks
Alan
>
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| Subject: | Bonding top fuse, opinions on splash |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Wondering if I could get opinion to splash or not to splash rear bulkhead,
tower and baggage bulkhead.
Is following the manual and going in after top bonded really so bad?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Steel nose wheel springs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
Wasn't there a builder in the US who was going to have some springs made? I
can't recall the name. What ever happened to that project?
Garry Stout
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jac van Heeswijk" <jac.vanheeswijk@hetnet.nl>
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 3:17 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Steel nose wheel springs
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jac van Heeswijk"
> <jac.vanheeswijk@hetnet.nl>
>
> The Factory Tech Talk page in the March edition of the Europa Flyer =
> describes the substitution of the nose leg bungee by two metal springs. =
> This modification was initiated in the Netherlands by Nico Groot and in =
> the meantime several dutch builders have applied it in their trigears. =
> These springs were developed and made by the same dutch factory and they =
> were also used by Ian Rickard in his PFA approved mod nr. 71.
>
>
> Might any builder want a set of these springs for immediate delivery, I =
> have ordered 10 pairs at the factory in order to save on machine =
> installation expenses. This way I have now 6 pairs left at the cost =
> price of 100,00 Euro (GBP 67,00 - US$ 125,00) a pair plus shipment =
> (priority shipment to Canada was 30 Euro last week, USA will be about =
> the same, England ??).
>
>
> I don't want to make a profit, just maybe an investment in some =
> prospective friends. One of these days I will be shipping some pairs to =
> England (Lincolnshire). For 3 or 4 people this is a chance to get a pair =
> without delay at a cheap price. First in first out. If somebody is =
> interested let him take contact with me. Email works best!
>
>
> Jack van Heeswijk, the Netherlands (394, almost flying)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bonding top fuse, opinions on splash |
--> Europa-List message posted by: SPurpura@aol.com
IT WASN'T BAD,LAYUP YOUR TAPES ON VISQUINE AND IT'S A PIECE OF CAKE.
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