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1. 01:09 AM - Re: Mogas (Brian Davies)
2. 03:53 AM - Tour de France (David Joyce)
3. 05:28 AM - PFA Inspector, Northants, UK (flyingphil2)
4. 05:36 AM - UNSUBSCRIBING [was Re: Europa-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 05/15/06] (Rowland Carson)
5. 06:27 AM - Re: UNSUBSCRIBING [was Re: Europa-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 05/15/06] (Rick Sementi)
6. 06:33 AM - Re: Tour de France (Brian Davies)
7. 07:00 AM - Re: Tour de France (Gilles Thesee)
8. 07:07 AM - Re: PFA Inspector, Northants, UK (willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk)
9. 07:22 AM - Re: UNSUBSCRIBING [was Re: Europa-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 05/15/06] (Pete Lawless)
10. 08:30 AM - Re: Tour de France (David Joyce)
11. 08:51 AM - Re: Tour de France (Gilles Thesee)
12. 09:29 AM - Re: UNSUBSCRIBING [was Re: Europa-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 05/15/06] (Matt Dralle)
13. 10:10 AM - painters (Paul Stewart)
14. 12:23 PM - Re: painters (Pete Lawless)
15. 12:45 PM - Contaminated plastic sheeting, beware ()
16. 12:46 PM - Plastic sheeting that is contaminated ()
17. 04:01 PM - Re: painters (steve v.)
18. 04:01 PM - Re: Plastic sheeting that is contaminated (SPurpura@aol.com)
19. 04:31 PM - Trigear Brake Calliper Query (steve v.)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
Hi Bob,
SF16 is a PFA form available for download from their website, which appears
to be like a mod approval form. Look under engineering standard forms. I am
not an expert in this area but I assume that aircraft types e.g. Rotax
powered Europas, that have been already cleared by the PFA do not require
individual approval for the use of Mogas. Dont know how this affects Jab
powered Europas.
Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.C.Harrison
Sent: 16 May 2006 23:22
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mogas
--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Brian
This form SF16 care to copy it to me please?
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKi/Jabiru 3300
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian
Davies
Sent: 16 May 2006 22:25
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mogas
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
I did not send form Sf16 and my paperwork was cleared, so it would not
appear to be required.
Brian Davies
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Simon Smith
Sent: 16 May 2006 19:41
Subject: Europa-List: Mogas
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
A question for all the uk flyers here.
I've been looking through all the various forms that I will need to send
to
the PFA.
Do I have to send an SF16 (Mogas application) or is it taken as read
that a
rotax will be run on mogas?
Simon
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
The Tour de France will be from 3rd to10th June, and the outline itinerary
is: Amiens, Colmar Beaune, Grenoble/Albertville, Nimes, Libourne, Blois.
There is room for late joiners
Regards, David Joyce
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| Subject: | PFA Inspector, Northants, UK |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "flyingphil2" <ptiller@lolacars.com>
Hi,
Ok, I have the PFA Inspector list at hand but as I'm re-building a damaged Europa
I would prefer someone who knows the type well. If anyone is or knows of a
good inspector who knows Europas well in the Northants area in the UK, could
you respond to this message or send me a private message please with their details
please.
Thanks,
Phil
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| Subject: | UNSUBSCRIBING [was RE: Europa-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 05/15/06] |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2006-05-16 22:21 -0400 Rick Sementi wrote:
>PLease, I am still getting emails to this location (rsementi@hotmail.com) -
>Your last email indicated that this email address was to be removed from the
>list, however I am still getting Europa Digest emails here.
[9 unrelated messages snipped]
Rick - I have amended the Europa Club membership file as requested by
you recently. However, I have no control over anything else you may
be subscribed to, such as the Matronics Euuropa e-mail list. You are
the only one able to switch that off or on (that's how you got on the
list in the first place).
At the bottom of EVERY posting on the Matronics e-mail list you'll
find something like this:
You'll see that subscription management is one of the facilities
offered at the above URL. Depending on your e-mail client software, a
click or double-click on the link will take you to the menu of
features, then follow other link(s) to the subscription area and read
the instructions there to see how to get your various adddresses
subscribed or unsubscribed.
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | UNSUBSCRIBING [was RE: Europa-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 05/15/06] |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Rick Sementi" <rsementi@hotmail.com>
Rowland, sorry for the nusance but i never added this emial to the matrinics
emails. i also do not get a message at the bottom as you indicate below. I
get three links:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
http://wiki.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
None of these allow me to take rsementi@hotmail.com off....please advise
>From: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Europa-List: UNSUBSCRIBING [was RE: Europa-List Digest: 9 Msgs -
>05/15/06]
>Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:39:02 +0100
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
>
>At 2006-05-16 22:21 -0400 Rick Sementi wrote:
>
> >PLease, I am still getting emails to this location (rsementi@hotmail.com)
>-
> >Your last email indicated that this email address was to be removed from
>the
> >list, however I am still getting Europa Digest emails here.
>
>[9 unrelated messages snipped]
>
>Rick - I have amended the Europa Club membership file as requested by
>you recently. However, I have no control over anything else you may
>be subscribed to, such as the Matronics Euuropa e-mail list. You are
>the only one able to switch that off or on (that's how you got on the
>list in the first place).
>
>At the bottom of EVERY posting on the Matronics e-mail list you'll
>find something like this:
>
>
>You'll see that subscription management is one of the facilities
>offered at the above URL. Depending on your e-mail client software, a
>click or double-click on the link will take you to the menu of
>features, then follow other link(s) to the subscription area and read
>the instructions there to see how to get your various adddresses
>subscribed or unsubscribed.
>
>regards
>
>Rowland
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
I wish I could join you David, but I am still waiting for my permit and
dont have the skills to fly the aircraft (yet!) maybe next year. Have a
great trip.
Brian Davies
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce
Sent: 17 May 2006 11:44
Subject: Europa-List: Tour de France
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
The Tour de France will be from 3rd to10th June, and the outline itinerary
is: Amiens, Colmar Beaune, Grenoble/Albertville, Nimes, Libourne, Blois.
There is room for late joiners
Regards, David Joyce
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| Subject: | Re: Tour de France |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
David Joyce a crit :
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> The Tour de France will be from 3rd to10th June, and the outline itinerary
> is: Amiens, Colmar Beaune, Grenoble/Albertville, Nimes, Libourne, Blois.
> There is room for late joiners
> Regards, David Joyce
>
>
David,
It occured to me that you may want to check the Albertville aerodrome
chart at
http://www.sia.aviation-civile.gouv.fr/html/frameset_aip_fr.htm
As its use is restricted to aircraft based on nearby aerodromes, there
may be some paperwork to deal with.
For what it's worth,
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
http://contrails.free.fr
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| Subject: | PFA Inspector, Northants, UK |
--> Europa-List message posted by: willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk
Tony Kay's yer man, even thoug he's 50 miles away in Royston. I've sampled
2 inspectors and Tony clearly knows about 1000 times more about what's what
with Europas than the other inspector (whom I won't embassass by naming on
this forum).
Willie
G-BZNY - finally going like a good'un and bits stopped falling off.
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>Subject: Europa-List: PFA Inspector, Northants, UK
>From: "flyingphil2" <ptiller@lolacars.com>
>to:
>Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 05:25:16 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "flyingphil2" <ptiller@lolacars.com>
>
>Hi,
>
>Ok, I have the PFA Inspector list at hand but as I'm re-building a damaged
>Europa I would prefer someone who knows the type well. If anyone is or
knows
>of a good inspector who knows Europas well in the Northants area in the
UK,
>could you respond to this message or send me a private message please with
>their details please.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Phil
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| Subject: | UNSUBSCRIBING [was RE: Europa-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 05/15/06] |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Go to www.matronics.com select lists towards the bottom of the front page
and then select Europa the instructions are all there to unsubscribe.
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| Subject: | Re: Tour de France |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Gilles, Many thanks, helpful as always. Careless of me to miss that in the
Bottlang! Perhaps we may arrange to meet up somewhere? We are a relatively
small party this year- 5 planes. Regards, David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gilles Thesee" <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tour de France
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee
<Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
>
> David Joyce a crit :
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
<davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
> >
> > The Tour de France will be from 3rd to10th June, and the outline
itinerary
> > is: Amiens, Colmar Beaune, Grenoble/Albertville, Nimes, Libourne, Blois.
> > There is room for late joiners
> > Regards, David Joyce
> >
> >
> David,
>
> It occured to me that you may want to check the Albertville aerodrome
> chart at
>
> http://www.sia.aviation-civile.gouv.fr/html/frameset_aip_fr.htm
>
> As its use is restricted to aircraft based on nearby aerodromes, there
> may be some paperwork to deal with.
>
> For what it's worth,
> Regards,
> Gilles Thesee
> Grenoble, France
> http://contrails.free.fr
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tour de France |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
David Joyce a crit :
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Gilles, Many thanks, helpful as always. Careless of me to miss that in the
> Bottlang! Perhaps we may arrange to meet up somewhere? We are a relatively
> small party this year- 5 planes. Regards, David
>
David,
You're welcome.
The airplane I build with a buddy is based at Vienne (LFHH), a little
south from Lyon. Small grass field (2000 ft runway), 100 LL gas, no
landing fees. Not much hangar room, though.
Do not hesitate to publish your detailed itinerary on the list.
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
http://contrails.free.fr
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| Subject: | UNSUBSCRIBING [was RE: Europa-List Digest: 9 Msgs - |
05/15/06]
--> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Specifically, the URL to (un)subscribe is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscription/
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
List Admin
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Can anyone recommend a painter within striking distance of Derby?
Regards
Paul Stewart
G-GIDY
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Try Mick Allen, he did a brilliant job of my Twin Comanche.
Mick Allen Resprays
Turweston Aerodrome
Brackley
Northants
NN13 5YD
01280 840661
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| Subject: | Contaminated plastic sheeting, beware |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
I said it before, figured will mention it again.
The majority of plastic sheeting (visqueen) that can be found in the
states has "Slip" on it.
Slip is some sort of starch/type/a/stuff to prevent sheeting from sticking
together.
Unless someone can convince me otherwise that it is OK to introduce Baby
Powder with perhaps some other (?) to life critical layups, I will not use
sheeting with slip.
You can fairly easily tell, try sticking a piece of clear tape to
sheeting, if it dosen't stick, and leaves a residue, it is most likely
Slip.
Slip coating varies, some have minimal, some a tremendous amount.
Above said, I have read that some Modelers mix resin and baby powder as a
final fill for glass models (some actual like the smell when sanding).
I do not know make up of Slip, it feels to me (I sewed up a 10' x 20'
enclosure to work in hangar (2 layers with bubblewrap between for walls
and clear PVC for front, back doors and ceiling)), and when the stuff gets
on machine and hands, it feels almost like there is wax or similar as
well????
Simple low density polyethelyne, ain't so simple to come by.
I found a source for a little under $7 plus shipping for a 9 x 12 piece 4
mil thick.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Plastic sheeting that is contaminated |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
I said it before, figured will mention it again.
The majority of plastic sheeting (visqueen) that can be found in the
states has "Slip" on it.
Slip is some sort of starch/type/a/stuff to prevent sheeting from sticking
together.
Unless someone can convince me otherwise that it is OK to introduce Baby
Powder with perhaps some other (?) to life critical layups, I will not use
sheeting with slip.
You can fairly easily tell, try sticking a piece of clear tape to
sheeting, if it doesn't stick, and leaves a residue, it is most likely
Slip.
Slip coating varies, some have minimal, some a tremendous amount.
Above said, I have read that some Modelers mix resin and baby powder as a
final fill for glass models (some actual like the smell when sanding).
I do not know make up of Slip, it feels to me (I sewed up a 10' x 20'
enclosure to work in hangar (2 layers with bubblewrap between for walls
and clear PVC for front, back doors and ceiling)), and when the stuff gets
on machine and hands, it feels almost like there is wax or similar as
well????
Simple low density polyethylene, ain't so simple to come by.
I found a source for a little under $7 plus shipping for a 9 x 12 piece 4
mil thick.
Ron Parigoris
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
count yourself lucky that you do not live in west wales, after 14 months of searching
and contact with no less than 5 paint sprayers - complete with all the
promises, kit #573 is finaly being painted ,now approx. half completed. good luck!
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| Subject: | Re: Plastic sheeting that is contaminated |
--> Europa-List message posted by: SPurpura@aol.com
You could wipe it down with acetone.
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| Subject: | Trigear Brake Calliper Query |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
How are other builders attaching the Elbows, Part Number MSC269P to the brake
callipers ? are you using lubricant or some type of locking cement/compond , or
nothing at all ? they are a very tight fit .
thanks,
steve vestuti #573
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