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1. 03:17 AM - Re: painters (Roger Anderson)
2. 03:46 AM - Re: Steel nose wheel springs (Richard Holder)
3. 04:39 AM - Re: Steel nose wheel springs (Tim Weert)
4. 05:08 AM - Steel nose wheel springs (Richard Holder)
5. 05:57 AM - Re: Steel nose wheel springs (peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk)
6. 07:35 AM - Re: Steel nose wheel springs (Cliff Shaw)
7. 08:27 AM - Re: Steel nose wheel springs (Tim Weert)
8. 09:10 AM - Rotax mag drop / runs OK but not great info ()
9. 09:55 AM - Re: painters (Paul Stewart)
10. 10:19 AM - Re: Trigear Caliper MSC269P (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu)
11. 10:51 AM - Re: Steel nose wheel springs (BEBERRY@aol.com)
12. 12:02 PM - Re: Steel nose wheel springs (Simon Smith)
13. 01:31 PM - Re: Trigear Caliper MSC269P (steve v.)
14. 11:30 PM - Re: Steel nose wheel springs (Steven Pitt)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Roger Anderson" <Randerson@skewstacks.freeserve.co.uk>
Paul,
Rob Millinship of Nottingham (0115 9290315) did a very good job on =
my Europa.
Roger (G-BXTD)
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Stewart
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 6:08 PM
Subject: Europa-List: painters
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart =
<europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Can anyone recommend a painter within striking distance of Derby?
Regards
Paul Stewart
G-GIDY
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| Subject: | Re: Steel nose wheel springs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Jac van Heeswijk wrote:
> The Factory Tech Talk page in the March edition of the
> Europa Flyer = describes the substitution of the nose
> leg bungee by two metal springs. = This modification
> was initiated in the Netherlands by Nico Groot and in =
> the meantime several dutch builders have applied it in
> their trigears. = These springs were developed and made
> by the same dutch factory and they = were also used by
> Ian Rickard in his PFA approved mod nr. 71.
>
>
> Might any builder want a set of these springs for
> immediate delivery, I = have ordered 10 pairs at the
> factory in order to save on machine = installation
> expenses. This way I have now 6 pairs left at the cost
> = price of 100,00 Euro (GBP 67,00 - US$ 125,00) a pair
> plus shipment = (priority shipment to Canada was 30
> Euro last week, USA will be about = the same, England
> ??).
> I don't want to make a profit, just maybe an investment
> in some = prospective friends. One of these days I will
> be shipping some pairs to = England (Lincolnshire). For
> 3 or 4 people this is a chance to get a pair = without
> delay at a cheap price. First in first out. If somebody
> is = interested let him take contact with me. Email
> works best!
I would like a pair. How can I pay you ? Maybe a dual ship
with someone else here in England.
Anyways I want to get on the list
Thanks
Richard Holder
G-OWWW High Cross
+44 (0) 1279 842804
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| Subject: | Re: Steel nose wheel springs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
Hi Gentlemen,
I live very close to that Dutch factory. It would be wise to make a big
list, as long as possible and order all springs together. I arranged 10
pairs for Jac van Heeswijk and payed them cash, so I didn't have to pay VAT.
The price was about 82 Euros a pair. Jac has already supported them all to
his Europa friends
The more you order, the cheaper they will be because the cost isn't the
material (stainless steel) but the "settings" of the machinery. 20 pair of
springs will cost less than 10 and 50 les than 20. The only point is that I
have to pay those guys cash to avoid taxes. I don't know what the prices are
to sent it to other countries, but if you arrange mogas in the uk for me I
can also fly them to the UK for you (Not to far from the channel crossing)
for you in my Europa. That's a lot cheaper for a large number of springs
toghether ans you have also the opportunity to see how it is fitted in my
bird. The max load in the Europa is 40 kg, so I can carry +/- 40 piars of
springs in one trip in my hold, if it should be more I can find other Dutch
Europa friends to join me with their birds......
Regards, Tim.
Heerhugowaard, The Netherlands
PH-JAI #460 XS TG 914 AP332
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Holder" <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Steel nose wheel springs
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
>
> Jac van Heeswijk wrote:
>
>> The Factory Tech Talk page in the March edition of the
>> Europa Flyer = describes the substitution of the nose
>> leg bungee by two metal springs. = This modification
>> was initiated in the Netherlands by Nico Groot and in =
>> the meantime several dutch builders have applied it in
>> their trigears. = These springs were developed and made
>> by the same dutch factory and they = were also used by
>> Ian Rickard in his PFA approved mod nr. 71.
>>
>>
>> Might any builder want a set of these springs for
>> immediate delivery, I = have ordered 10 pairs at the
>> factory in order to save on machine = installation
>> expenses. This way I have now 6 pairs left at the cost
>> = price of 100,00 Euro (GBP 67,00 - US$ 125,00) a pair
>> plus shipment = (priority shipment to Canada was 30
>> Euro last week, USA will be about = the same, England
>> ??).
>
>> I don't want to make a profit, just maybe an investment
>> in some = prospective friends. One of these days I will
>> be shipping some pairs to = England (Lincolnshire). For
>> 3 or 4 people this is a chance to get a pair = without
>> delay at a cheap price. First in first out. If somebody
>> is = interested let him take contact with me. Email
>> works best!
>
>
> I would like a pair. How can I pay you ? Maybe a dual ship
> with someone else here in England.
>
> Anyways I want to get on the list
>
> Thanks
>
> Richard Holder
> G-OWWW High Cross
> +44 (0) 1279 842804
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Steel nose wheel springs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Tim Weert wrote:
> I live very close to that Dutch factory. It would be
> wise to make a big list, as long as possible and order
> all springs together. I arranged 10 pairs for Jac van
> Heeswijk and payed them cash, so I didn't have to pay
> VAT. The price was about 82 Euros a pair. Jac has
> already supported them all to his Europa friends The
> more you order, the cheaper they will be because the
> cost isn't the material (stainless steel) but the
> "settings" of the machinery. 20 pair of springs will
> cost less than 10 and 50 les than 20. The only point is
> that I have to pay those guys cash to avoid taxes. I
> don't know what the prices are to sent it to other
> countries, but if you arrange mogas in the uk for me I
> can also fly them to the UK for you (Not to far from
> the channel crossing) for you in my Europa. That's a
> lot cheaper for a large number of springs toghether ans
> you have also the opportunity to see how it is fitted
> in my bird. The max load in the Europa is 40 kg, so I
> can carry +/- 40 piars of springs in one trip in my
> hold, if it should be more I can find other Dutch
> Europa friends to join me with their birds......
>
> Regards, Tim.
>
> Heerhugowaard, The Netherlands PH-JAI #460 XS TG 914
> AP332
Team
It looks as if we need another order. I will co-ordinate
the English end. If anyone who wants a pair of these
springs and hasn't yet got them would like to email me
direct (rholder@avnet.co.uk) I will co-ordinate with Tim.
If that is OK with you Tim ? I will give you details of my
field and will have MOGAS available for you when it comes
to the delivery stage :-) Also the money !
[Gary. if you want some I will bring them over in Sept !]
[Actually that applies to anyone on the Western side of
the pond !]
Richard Holder
G-OWWW High Cross
+44 (0)1279 842804
+44 (0)7860 367423
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| Subject: | Steel nose wheel springs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk
Whats the score with fitting these - are they approved by the PFA yet? If
so, has Mod 71 been published? (there was some talk about clips to prevent
the possibility of the springs coming off the end of the cross tube etc.
Peter
___________________________________________________________
Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup!
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/
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| Subject: | Re: Steel nose wheel springs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
All
I hate to be the one to have to say this.
Europa04 is the only proper supplier of Mod 71. Here I am on the west =
side of the west side of the pond and I have to remind you guys to =
support your airplane manufacture. I am sure other have the same =
thought as I, but are too polite to say a work.
I am not so polite. I say "buy the Mod 71 from Europa 04" and do the =
modification according to the correct paperwork.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Holder
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 5:05 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Steel nose wheel springs
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder =
<rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Tim Weert wrote:
> I live very close to that Dutch factory. It would be
> wise to make a big list, as long as possible and order
> all springs together. I arranged 10 pairs for Jac van
> Heeswijk and payed them cash, so I didn't have to pay
> VAT. The price was about 82 Euros a pair. Jac has
> already supported them all to his Europa friends The
> more you order, the cheaper they will be because the
> cost isn't the material (stainless steel) but the
> "settings" of the machinery. 20 pair of springs will
> cost less than 10 and 50 les than 20. The only point is
> that I have to pay those guys cash to avoid taxes. I
> don't know what the prices are to sent it to other
> countries, but if you arrange mogas in the uk for me I
> can also fly them to the UK for you (Not to far from
> the channel crossing) for you in my Europa. That's a
> lot cheaper for a large number of springs toghether ans
> you have also the opportunity to see how it is fitted
> in my bird. The max load in the Europa is 40 kg, so I
> can carry +/- 40 piars of springs in one trip in my
> hold, if it should be more I can find other Dutch
> Europa friends to join me with their birds......
>
> Regards, Tim.
>
> Heerhugowaard, The Netherlands PH-JAI #460 XS TG 914
> AP332
Team
It looks as if we need another order. I will co-ordinate
the English end. If anyone who wants a pair of these
springs and hasn't yet got them would like to email me
direct (rholder@avnet.co.uk) I will co-ordinate with Tim.
If that is OK with you Tim ? I will give you details of my
field and will have MOGAS available for you when it comes
to the delivery stage :-) Also the money !
[Gary. if you want some I will bring them over in Sept !]
[Actually that applies to anyone on the Western side of
the pond !]
Richard Holder
G-OWWW High Cross
+44 (0)1279 842804
+44 (0)7860 367423
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| Subject: | Re: Steel nose wheel springs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Weert" <tim.weert@hccnet.nl>
Hi Clif,
For your information, the springs we designed and ordered in Holland are the
ones which were used to get the PFA approval. I flew them to Fairoaks last
year myself for Ian and Ivor to get their UK PFA approaval. Our aircraft
were used for the prototype springs and testing. The Dutch springs are the
ones which set the standard. We made the modifications and if I order them
for you guys, you'll get the specs. discribed in the Mod made via Ian
Rickard for the PFA approval.
Remember, it is the design of Nico Groot, kopied by me, Rob and Jac. Nico
did the engeneering and we did the testing and pioneering on 4 Dutch
Europa's. (PH-AMD, PH-IEN, PH-JAI and the PH-LOB) It is not a Factory Mod.
Originally Andy from Europa 04 wasn't interested last year at Kemble at all
(!), when I showed him my prototype springs. Ian and Ivor were the ones who
made this Mod official in the UK.
The higher the number I place in a order for you all, the lower the price.
But, I do it for you, not for myselve. I don't want to earn a penny out of
it. For me it is a hobby. If you don't want them, be my guest. It saves me a
lot of time and effort....
Regards, Tim.
Heerhugowaard, The Netherlands
PH-JAI #460 XS TG 914 AP332
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@COMCAST.NET>
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Steel nose wheel springs
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
> All
>
> I hate to be the one to have to say this.
>
> Europa04 is the only proper supplier of Mod 71. Here I am on the west =
> side of the west side of the pond and I have to remind you guys to =
> support your airplane manufacture. I am sure other have the same =
> thought as I, but are too polite to say a work.
>
> I am not so polite. I say "buy the Mod 71 from Europa 04" and do the =
> modification according to the correct paperwork.
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds, WA 98020
> 425 776 5555
> http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
>
>
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| Subject: | Rotax mag drop / runs OK but not great info |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Just stumbled on this site:
http://www.greenskyadventures.com/engineservice/TechTips/912Ignition/912IgnDiagrahm.htm
I am just repeating what it says:
"Observe closely, the white and the yellow wires from EI boxes and their
connection to firing coils. A mix up can result in an engine that runs
sort of ok, but not quite. Also, a big mag drop at higher power settings
may also occur."
Ron Parigoris
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Thanks to all who responded about painters. I'm sure we can find
someone to help.
Regards
Paul
G-GIDY
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| Subject: | Re: Trigear Caliper MSC269P |
--> Europa-List message posted by: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Two things to note about the Nylaseal fittings:
First, may sure you have nylaseal not nyloflow fittings. I used the wrong
ones and they had a constant albeit slow leak. The correct ones were
obtained from MATCO. They have black inserts instead of the white inserts
supplied.
Second, use teflon (TFE) paste to seal the threads, never teflon tape.
Good Luck
Ira N224xs
non-leaking brakes at the moment
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| Subject: | Re: Steel nose wheel springs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: BEBERRY@aol.com
I think Tim is doing a fantastic job and we should do our best to take him
up on his very generous offer.
Tim - how about those of us living in the West Country i.e. Somerset for me?
- How near can we get a pick up if we order?
Patrick
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| Subject: | Steel nose wheel springs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
I have to say that I'm with Cliff on this one, especially for those working
under the PFA.
Mod 71 is "factory approved" and is therefore (relatively) free of
paperwork. Unless the Dutch springs have "standard mod" status then surely a
45 mod fee will be payable?
Use it, or lose it comes to mind. How long would the factory last if we all
went and purchased parts direct from other suppliers?
Simon
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| Subject: | RE: Trigear Caliper MSC269P |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
Thanks Ira, i`ve never heard of TEFLON PASTE , but ill make enquiries, my seals
are black, so ill assume they are OK... thanks again,
steve vestuti #573
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| Subject: | Re: Steel nose wheel springs |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
Hear, hear. Without taking anything away from the Dutch guys who introduced
the concept and the early springs, Ian Rickard and Terry Clarke, in the UK,
have put a lot of work in for Europa 04, recognised by Andy and the Company,
to design, supply and support Europa with Mod 71, at no gain to themselves.
Please support the Company.
Steve Pitt G-SMDH #403
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