---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/04/06: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:44 AM - 200 hp Supercharged EA81 to go in San Diego based Europa (GLENN CROWDER) 2. 10:51 AM - Nose gear alignment (Graham Singleton) 3. 12:59 PM - Re: Nose gear assembly twisted (Dean Seitz) 4. 01:05 PM - Re: Airmaster prop adjustment (Dean Seitz) 5. 01:29 PM - Europa for Sale (cgalley) 6. 03:03 PM - Re: Airmaster prop adjustment (Paul McAllister) 7. 03:24 PM - Re: Airmaster prop adjustment (Dean Seitz) 8. 03:25 PM - Re: Airmaster prop adjustment (Dean Seitz) 9. 03:59 PM - Re: Airmaster prop adjustment (Garry) 10. 04:14 PM - mono wheel trailer (Jerry Rehn) 11. 04:19 PM - Re: Nose gear alignment (KARL HEINDL) 12. 04:22 PM - Re: Airmaster prop adjustment (SPurpura@aol.com) 13. 04:22 PM - Re: Airmaster prop adjustment (Gilles Thesee) 14. 04:23 PM - Re: [ Ken Hill ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (KENNETH D HILL) 15. 04:23 PM - Re: Airmaster prop adjustment (Dean Seitz) 16. 04:43 PM - Re: [ Ken Hill ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (KENNETH D HILL) 17. 05:52 PM - Re: Airmaster prop adjustment (Paul McAllister) 18. 07:13 PM - Fw: Europa for Sale (cgalley) 19. 08:48 PM - Re: [ Ken Hill ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Craig Ellison) 20. 10:31 PM - Re: mono wheel trailer (RoddyEuropa@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:38 AM PST US From: "GLENN CROWDER" Cc: gcrowder2@hotmail.com Subject: Europa-List: 200 hp Supercharged EA81 to go in San Diego based Europa --> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" Well its here and its real! 200 hp supercharged dual port EA81 is being purchased by a San Diego based Europa builder. This engine has the Rotrex supercharger used by BMW and Mercedes. 200 hp all the way to 18,000 ft! Only 15 lbs heavier than the NA EA81 that I have in my Mono. Everything possible has been done to this engine. This is not your fathers Subaru! I understand the purchaser is having trouble paying the balance so maybe it will end up under my cowling! Ron Carr at Ram Performance Subaru has had a 200 hp normally aspirated EA81 in his daily driver for the last 5 years just trying to blow it up with no sucess so has tremendous experience with these engines. If I do one for my bird I would have him "detune" it to 150 hp. I think that would be plenty even at my mile high altitude! Good thing I beefed up the whole swing arm and motor mount assembly! Here are some pics: http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album130&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php The supercharger is here: http://www.rotrex.com Glenn ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:36 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Europa-List: Nose gear alignment --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton < Subject: RE: Europa-List: Nose gear assembly twisted --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Seitz" Yes, mine was very much off. It was just went the old Europa was going out. They were supposed to send me a new one. Never happened. Last year at Sun n Fun, Andy remembered it and the New Europa 04 sent me a new one no charge. Very nice of them to do it. Yes it is held in with two bolts and locktight. It should be straight vertical. Dean Seitz N284A Europa XS tri gear 914 Airmaster 92 hours so far. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Grass Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 1:35 PM Subject: Europa-List: Nose gear assembly twisted --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" Hallo group, I am just about ready to mount my nose gear. Going to some web sites to see what others have done I noticed that Dean Seitz's nose gear was twisted about 2.9 deg to the left (in direction of the flight). I checked mine and it is 1.0 deg twisted to the left. I wonder if some twist to the left is intentional and if so , how much? If not, I wonder what other have done in order to correct it since this is set in place by Europa and bonded in with what looks like loctite and secured with an AN bolt across. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:05:07 PM PST US From: "Dean Seitz" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Airmaster prop adjustment --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Seitz" I have adjusted mine once to get more coarse. Not sure what the coarse pitch is right now but I had noticed flying straight and level that about 32 inchs manifold pressure got the prop to full coarse limit. I haven't seen it go to full coarse since but have not been pushing it real hard since at 5000 ft I have to run at less than 50% power to stay with them. At 5000 ft I've been seeing 145 kts at 65% or less. Dean Seitz N284A Europa XS tri gear 914 Airmaster 91 hrs so far -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rmi Guerner Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 3:47 PM Subject: Europa-List: Airmaster prop adjustment --> Europa-List message posted by: =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9mi_Guerner? Hello all, I recently installed an Airmaster prop. I have increased the coarse pitch limit twice. Coarse blade angle is now 24 degrees 15 minutes measured at the tip and needs to be increased again. I would like to know what coarse limit the others with Monowheel/912S are flying with. Remi Guerner F-PGKL, XS S/N395 monowheel, 912S, Airmaster, 391 hours ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:29:09 PM PST US From: "cgalley" Subject: Europa-List: Europa for Sale --> Europa-List message posted by: "cgalley" Unexpected Death forces sale of Husband's Europa. Includes never run 3-blade constant speed speed with spare fixed 3 blade. Rotax 4 cycle 250 hours, 2 GPS, 2 comm, 3 axis slaved auto pilot with latest upgrades, electronic engine readout and much more. Asking a lot less than invested or even insured value. Call 365-381-4492 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Seitz" Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:04 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Airmaster prop adjustment > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Seitz" > > I have adjusted mine once to get more coarse. Not sure what the coarse > pitch > is right now but I had noticed flying straight and level that about 32 > inchs > manifold pressure got the prop to full coarse limit. I haven't seen it go > to > full coarse since but have not been pushing it real hard since at 5000 ft > I > have to run at less than 50% power to stay with them. At 5000 ft I've been > seeing 145 kts at 65% or less. > > Dean Seitz > N284A Europa XS tri gear 914 Airmaster > 91 hrs so far > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rmi Guerner > Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 3:47 PM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Airmaster prop adjustment > > --> Europa-List message posted by: =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9mi_Guerner? > > > Hello all, > I recently installed an Airmaster prop. I have increased the coarse pitch > limit twice. Coarse blade angle is now 24 degrees 15 minutes measured at > the > tip and needs to be increased again. I would like to know what coarse > limit > the others with Monowheel/912S are flying with. > Remi Guerner > F-PGKL, XS S/N395 monowheel, 912S, Airmaster, 391 hours > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:03:07 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Airmaster prop adjustment --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" > At 5000 ft I've been seeing 145 kts at 65% or less. > Dean Seitz > N284A Europa XS tri gear 914 Airmaster > 91 hrs so far Hi Dean, Can you tell me the MP @ RPM setting that you see that correlates to 65% ? Is the 5000' value you have derived after compensating for barometric pressure and temperature ? How are you verifying your speed, 3 or 4 axis runs, or some other method. Thanks, Paul ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:24:38 PM PST US From: "Dean Seitz" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Airmaster prop adjustment --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Seitz" I'm going by the rotax chart that shows 75% power is 31" MP and 5000rpm and if I'm not mistaken 65% is 30" mp. I don't have the book with me right now. The 5000' is right off the altimeter set at the closest airport altimeter setting. Yesyerday we were at 6500' showing around 135 knots, to fly with a Piper Archer and the MP was back to approximately 28" at 5000rpm. Dean Seitz -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul McAllister Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 5:58 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Airmaster prop adjustment --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" > At 5000 ft I've been seeing 145 kts at 65% or less. > Dean Seitz > N284A Europa XS tri gear 914 Airmaster > 91 hrs so far Hi Dean, Can you tell me the MP @ RPM setting that you see that correlates to 65% ? Is the 5000' value you have derived after compensating for barometric pressure and temperature ? How are you verifying your speed, 3 or 4 axis runs, or some other method. Thanks, Paul ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:25:49 PM PST US From: "Dean Seitz" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Airmaster prop adjustment --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Seitz" I checked the speed a couple times with the three runs at more than 90 deg. apart spreadsheet. Also was comparing groundspeed and airspeed with the Archer we were flying with. Dean -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul McAllister Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 5:58 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Airmaster prop adjustment --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" > At 5000 ft I've been seeing 145 kts at 65% or less. > Dean Seitz > N284A Europa XS tri gear 914 Airmaster > 91 hrs so far Hi Dean, Can you tell me the MP @ RPM setting that you see that correlates to 65% ? Is the 5000' value you have derived after compensating for barometric pressure and temperature ? How are you verifying your speed, 3 or 4 axis runs, or some other method. Thanks, Paul ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:59:13 PM PST US From: "Garry" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Airmaster prop adjustment --> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry" Dean, At 30" MP and 5000 RPM a Europa is roughly a 125 Kt airplane at sea level. To what do you attribute your amazing performance? Garry Stout 914 Tri w/whirlwind prop & 450 hours. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Seitz" Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 6:21 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Airmaster prop adjustment > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Seitz" > > I'm going by the rotax chart that shows 75% power is 31" MP and 5000rpm > and > if I'm not mistaken 65% is 30" mp. I don't have the book with me right > now. > The 5000' is right off the altimeter set at the closest airport altimeter > setting. Yesyerday we were at 6500' showing around 135 knots, to fly with > a > Piper Archer and the MP was back to approximately 28" at 5000rpm. > > > Dean Seitz > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul > McAllister > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 5:58 PM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Airmaster prop adjustment > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" > > > >> At 5000 ft I've been seeing 145 kts at 65% or less. > >> Dean Seitz >> N284A Europa XS tri gear 914 Airmaster >> 91 hrs so far > > Hi Dean, > > Can you tell me the MP @ RPM setting that you see that correlates to 65% ? > Is the 5000' value you have derived after compensating for barometric > pressure and temperature ? > > How are you verifying your speed, 3 or 4 axis runs, or some other method. > > Thanks, Paul > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:04 PM PST US From: "Jerry Rehn" Subject: Europa-List: mono wheel trailer --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jerry Rehn" I put my Europa on my standard mono wheel trailer and now have it in my garage for all those odds and ends I have been wanting to tackle. It has been 4 years since I used the trailer and forgot how heavy it is to get it on. I don't have a winch but seems I could use one. Wondering what others are doing to make it easier to get on trailer? Winches? Other ? How did you mount? What is done to keep tail wheel from jumping the "track"? Thanks. Jerry ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:26 PM PST US From: "KARL HEINDL" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Nose gear alignment --> Europa-List message posted by: "KARL HEINDL" Graham, would a standard AN4-34 be okay ? Karl >From: Graham Singleton >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: Europa-List: Nose gear alignment >Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 18:49:13 +0100 > >--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton > > ><< >_Do Not_ use hi tensile bolts unless they are AN quality. Engineering hi >tensile are too brittle. > >Graham > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List >http://wiki.matronics.com > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:13 PM PST US From: SPurpura@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Airmaster prop adjustment Wow 145KTS @ 65% is incredible for even IAS at that power setting,are you sure about that,my 914 mono would be about 110KTS IAS at 65% power ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:13 PM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: Airmaster prop adjustment --> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee Dean Seitz a crit : > At 5000 ft I've been > seeing 145 kts at 65% or less. > Hi Dean, Those numbers are most impressive. If they are confirmed, then you're doing better than most Europas, and even faster than the smaller and lighter MCR 01 with its diminutive laminar flow wing. Honest, I would have expected this power setting would yield the same numbers, but in mph. 145 mph is about 126 kt, quite in accordance with what I heard about the Europa. I'd be interested in learning more about your speed measurements, and the mods you performed on the aircraft : any cooling drag reduction, hiding antennas, work on the wing, etc. Regards, Gilles Thesee Grenoble, France http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:54 PM PST US From: KENNETH D HILL Subject: Re: Europa-List: [ Ken Hill ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! Duncan, I'm afraid this data will get rearranged but here it goes. This test was done at 5500' at a max weight of 1450lbs. with very little deviation from standard day temp. Airspeeds are within 1 kt. These airspeeds appear to stay constant up to 12,500 (the highest I've observed) 1. 100kts, FF 3.8, RPM 4500, MF 25. 2. 116kts, FF 5.0, RPM 4800, MF 28 3. 129kts, FF 6.2, RPM 5000, MF 30 4. 134kts, FF 7.6, RPM 5250, MF 33 5. 140kts, FF 8.3, RPM 5500, MF 35 6 148kts, FF 10, RPM 5800, MF 40 I'd appreciate if others would post there data. Ken Duncan McFadyean wrote: --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" Ken, Which make of propeller is it that you have shown in the photos and what performance figures (including fuel burn) is it returning? Rgds., Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Email List Photo Shares" Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 7:35 PM Subject: Europa-List: [ Ken Hill ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! > --> Europa-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares > > > > A new Email List Photo Share is available: > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:54 PM PST US From: "Dean Seitz" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Airmaster prop adjustment --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Seitz" Yes, at sea level mine is doing 130 kts at 31" mp. At higher alt is is performing really nice. I haven't been flying too much at high alt but the last few weeks been flying with other planes at 5000 to 7500 ft and notice a big difference in speed. Dean -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garry Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 6:59 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Airmaster prop adjustment --> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry" Dean, At 30" MP and 5000 RPM a Europa is roughly a 125 Kt airplane at sea level. To what do you attribute your amazing performance? Garry Stout 914 Tri w/whirlwind prop & 450 hours. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:43:39 PM PST US From: KENNETH D HILL Subject: RE: Europa-List: [ Ken Hill ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! Hi Paul, The tanks are 6 gal. Evinrude Johnson "Duratank" from the local boat dealer. I use quick disconnect fittings from Europa and the pump is Facet 40105 from Aircraft Spruce. The tanks are strapped to the wing tie bar for restraint. If you want to fly cross country this is the best mod you can make. Ken Paul McAllister wrote: --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" Ken, Very sharp looking paint job !. What kind of fuel tanks are you using for your long rang fuel system ? Paul do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:36 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Airmaster prop adjustment --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" Hi all, The only charts I have found for the 914 are a real "magnifying glass job" and I have a heck of a time trying to do the interpolations I'd be interested in what folks think 28" @ 5000 RPM is in % of power. I have always though it was 65%, but I am not really sure. Paul do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dean Seitz Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 5:22 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Airmaster prop adjustment --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Seitz" I'm going by the rotax chart that shows 75% power is 31" MP and 5000rpm and if I'm not mistaken 65% is 30" mp. I don't have the book with me right now. The 5000' is right off the altimeter set at the closest airport altimeter setting. Yesyerday we were at 6500' showing around 135 knots, to fly with a Piper Archer and the MP was back to approximately 28" at 5000rpm. Dean Seitz -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul McAllister Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 5:58 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Airmaster prop adjustment --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" > At 5000 ft I've been seeing 145 kts at 65% or less. > Dean Seitz > N284A Europa XS tri gear 914 Airmaster > 91 hrs so far Hi Dean, Can you tell me the MP @ RPM setting that you see that correlates to 65% ? Is the 5000' value you have derived after compensating for barometric pressure and temperature ? How are you verifying your speed, 3 or 4 axis runs, or some other method. Thanks, Paul ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:36 PM PST US From: "cgalley" Subject: Fw: Europa-List: Europa for Sale My Fault, the Phone area code is the way I remember the number (number of days in a year) but it is back wards --- 563 563-381-4492 ----- Original Message ----- From: "cgalley" Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:27 PM Subject: Europa-List: Europa for Sale > --> Europa-List message posted by: "cgalley" > > Unexpected Death forces sale of Husband's Europa. > > Includes never run 3-blade constant speed speed with spare fixed 3 blade. > Rotax 4 cycle 250 hours, 2 GPS, 2 comm, 3 axis slaved auto pilot with > latest upgrades, electronic engine readout and much more. Asking a lot less > than invested or even insured value. > > Call 365-381-4492 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dean Seitz" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:04 PM > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Airmaster prop adjustment > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Seitz" >> >> I have adjusted mine once to get more coarse. Not sure what the coarse >> pitch >> is right now but I had noticed flying straight and level that about 32 >> inchs >> manifold pressure got the prop to full coarse limit. I haven't seen it go >> to >> full coarse since but have not been pushing it real hard since at 5000 ft >> I >> have to run at less than 50% power to stay with them. At 5000 ft I've been >> seeing 145 kts at 65% or less. >> >> Dean Seitz >> N284A Europa XS tri gear 914 Airmaster >> 91 hrs so far >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R=E9mi Guerner >> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 3:47 PM >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Europa-List: Airmaster prop adjustment >> >> --> Europa-List message posted by: =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9mi_Guerner? >> >> >> Hello all, >> I recently installed an Airmaster prop. I have increased the coarse pitch >> limit twice. Coarse blade angle is now 24 degrees 15 minutes measured at >> the >> tip and needs to be increased again. I would like to know what coarse >> limit >> the others with Monowheel/912S are flying with. >> Remi Guerner >> F-PGKL, XS S/N395 monowheel, 912S, Airmaster, 391 hours >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ========================= ========== > ========================= ========== > ========================= ========== > ========================= ========== > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:24 PM PST US From: "Craig Ellison" Subject: Re: Europa-List: [ Ken Hill ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! Ken, Here are some proformance figures I've collected in the first 14 hrs. on 5CN. Bob Lindsay used the following for power settings when he flew 5CN and having looked at the 914 Rotax engine book seems correct. Anyway these are what I used. 55% 4300rpm/28MP 65% 4800rpm/29MP 75% 5000rpm/31MP The following were at standard temps or very close to standard and at 1100lbs. 1500ft. 55% 4300rpm/28MP TAS 120KTS 7000ft. 65% 4800rpm/29MP TAS 134KTS 7000ft. 75% 5000rpm/31MP TAS 144KTS 10000ft.75% 5000rpm/31MP TAS 150KTS/138KIAS I used for calculation TAS a web site that Bob told me about from REA Computing www.reacomp.com . craig ellison N205CN 14.6 hrs. having fun in phase 1 testing ----- Original Message ----- From: KENNETH D HILL To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 4:23 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: [ Ken Hill ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! Duncan, I'm afraid this data will get rearranged but here it goes. This test was done at 5500' at a max weight of 1450lbs. with very little deviation from standard day temp. Airspeeds are within 1 kt. These airspeeds appear to stay constant up to 12,500 (the highest I've observed) 1. 100kts, FF 3.8, RPM 4500, MF 25. 2. 116kts, FF 5.0, RPM 4800, MF 28 3. 129kts, FF 6.2, RPM 5000, MF 30 4. 134kts, FF 7.6, RPM 5250, MF 33 5. 140kts, FF 8.3, RPM 5500, MF 35 6 148kts, FF 10, RPM 5800, MF 40 I'd appreciate if others would post there data. Ken Duncan McFadyean wrote:
Europa-List message posted by: "Jerry Rehn" I put my Europa on my standard mono wheel trailer and now have it in my garage for all those odds and ends I have been wanting to tackle. It has been 4 years since I used the trailer and forgot how heavy it is to get it on. I don't have a winch but seems I could use one. Wondering what others are doing to make it easier to get on trailer? Winches? Other ? How did you mount? What is done to keep tail wheel from jumping the "track"? Thanks. Jerry