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1. 03:06 AM - Re: Modular fuel system for 914? (G-IANI)
2. 05:21 AM - Re: [ Ken Hill ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Paul McAllister)
3. 06:28 AM - Re: painters (twisterman)
4. 07:34 AM - Conversion Training without owning an aircraft.. (jturner)
5. 10:13 AM - 914 fuel flows (Erich Trombley)
6. 11:12 AM - Re: 914 fuel flows (Simon Smith)
7. 11:39 AM - radiators, coolers and colors (Thomas Scherer)
8. 12:07 PM - Re: 914 fuel flows ()
9. 03:27 PM - Re: Nose gear assembly twisted (Dean Seitz)
10. 04:22 PM - Re: [ Ken Hill ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Garry)
11. 06:51 PM - What to do . . ()
12. 11:40 PM - Re: What to do . . (flyingphil2)
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| Subject: | Modular fuel system for 914? |
Attached is a picture of one we are in the process of building. Missing
from the right hand side is a "manifold" to connect the four pipes.
This should be done today.
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
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| Subject: | [ Ken Hill ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
These flow flows are pretty similar to what I see on my 914 Mono. I have a
dual sensor fuel flow on my EIS and over the last 400 hours I have found it
pretty well "nuts on" for accuracy. - Paul
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Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 12:23 AM
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Hi Simon,
I wish they were. I recently put over 1000 miles on N214KS and the fuel
required to fill the tank agreed to within .1/.2 gallons of what the gauge
said I used. Plugs look normal.
Ken
Simon Smith <jodel@nildram.co.uk> wrote:
I think you figures might be a little suspect. The Rotax 914 Operators
manual give Take off performance as 5800rpm, 39.9 inHG and 8.7 us gph. Max
continuous as 5500rpm, 35.4 inHG and 7.2 us gph. (ref pages 8-2 & 10-1)
Are you sure that your fuel flowe sensor is correctly calibrated?
Are these airspeeds IAS or TAS?
Simon
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KENNETH D HILL
Sent: 05 June 2006 00:24
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Duncan,
I'm afraid this data will get rearranged but here it goes. This test
was done at 5500' at a max weight of 1450lbs. with very little deviation
from standard day temp. Airspeeds are within 1 kt. These airspeeds appear
to stay constant up to 12,500 (the highest I've observed)
1. 100kts, FF 3.8, RPM 4500, MF 25.
2. 116kts, FF 5.0, RPM 4800, MF 28
3. 129kts, FF 6.2, RPM 5000, MF 30
4. 134kts, FF 7.6, RPM 5250, MF 33
5. 140kts, FF 8.3, RPM 5500, MF 35
6 148kts, FF 10, RPM 5800, MF 40
I'd appreciate if others would post there data.
Ken
Duncan McFadyean <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "twisterman" <spudlyhallam@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi I have just had my Twister painted 10 miles from Derby if that is close enough
:D The sprayer used DuPont paint and did an excellent job.
He charges 30 cash an hour if you are interested send me an email to spudlyhallam@tiscali.co.uk
and I will give you his number
PS He also paint Porsche's! so he is good!!!!
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| Subject: | Conversion Training without owning an aircraft.. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "jturner" <jonturner@hotmail.com>
Im sure other potential owners/builders have had the same thoughts.
Within the next 6 9 months I hope to purchase a monowheel aircraft. Ive read as
much as I can on their handling techniques, but never actually flow one.
Under current PFA/CAA rules I am not allowed to rent/hire an aircraft + instructor/PFA
coach to gain a few hours experience.
Id just like to check that I feel comfortable that I can gain the necessary skill
required before I progress further down the road of purchasing one of these
aircraft.
Have only have 250 hours but including 100 hours tailwheel.
Ive talked to the factory and they dont have a monowheel demonstrator anymore.
Does anyone know if there is a similar type of monowheel aircraft anywhere on a
CofA that can be hired?
Suggestions much appreciated. PM me if necessary.
Thanks.
Jonathan.
jonturner@hotmail.com
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Cc: kandshill2@sbcglobal.net
Ken,
Knowing your fuel system as I do, I concur the problem is not with the f
uel flow sensor.
I would verify that your manifold pressure gage is properly calibrated.
This would explain the excessive fuel flow per inches of mercury.
I believe for each fuel flow you have listed the actual H.P. you are pro
ducing is actually greater than that corresponding to the M.P. listed.
Erich Trombley
N28ET Classic Mono 914
Time: 10:24:39 PM PST US
From: KENNETH D HILL <kandshill2@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: [ Ken Hill ] : New Email List Photo Share Avai
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Hi Simon,
I wish they were. I recently put over 1000 miles on N214KS and the fu
el
required
to fill the tank agreed to within .1/.2 gallons of what the gauge said I
used. Plugs look normal.
Ken
Simon Smith <jodel@nildram.co.uk> wrote:
I think you figures might be a little suspect. The Rotax 914 Oper
ators
manual
give Take off performance as 5800rpm, 39.9 inHG and 8.7 us gph. Max con
tinuous
as 5500rpm, 35.4 inHG and 7.2 us gph. (ref pages 8-2 & 10-1)
Are you sure that your fuel flowe sensor is correctly calibrated?
Are these airspeeds IAS or TAS?
Simon
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<html><P>Ken,</P>
<P>Knowing your fuel system as I do, I concur the problem is not with th
e fuel flow sensor.</P>
<P>I would verify that your manifold pressure gage is properly calibrate
d. This would explain the excessive fuel flow per inches of mercur
y.</P>
<P>I believe for each fuel flow you have listed the actual H.P. you are
producing is actually greater than that corresponding to the M.P. listed
. </P>
<P>Erich Trombley<BR>N28ET Classic Mono 914</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Time: 10:24:39 PM PST US<BR>From: KENNETH D HILL <<A class=m1 on
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ail List Photo Share Available!<BR><BR>Hi Simon,<BR> <BR>&nb
sp; I wish they were. I recently put over 1000 miles on N214KS and
the fuel <BR>required<BR>to fill the tank agreed to within .1/.2 gallon
s of what the gauge said I<BR>used. Plugs look normal.<BR> &n
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ttle suspect. The Rotax 914 Operators <BR>manual<BR>give Take off
performance as 5800rpm, 39.9 inHG and 8.7 us gph. Max continuous<B
R>as 5500rpm, 35.4 inHG and 7.2 us gph. (ref pages 8-2 & 10-1)<BR>&n
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Surely, if the MP gauge is suspect the Airbox sensor/TCU would also have
to
be in error by the same amount? I initially queried the figures because
I
assumed (and we all know how dangerous that can be!) that the Rotax book
fuel flows ought to be accurate.
Simon
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Erich
Trombley
Sent: 06 June 2006 18:07
Cc: kandshill2@sbcglobal.net
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Europa-List: 914 fuel flows
Ken,
Knowing your fuel system as I do, I concur the problem is not with the
fuel
flow sensor.
I would verify that your manifold pressure gage is properly calibrated.
This would explain the excessive fuel flow per inches of mercury.
I believe for each fuel flow you have listed the actual H.P. you are
producing is actually greater than that corresponding to the M.P.
listed.
Erich Trombley
N28ET Classic Mono 914
Time: 10:24:39 PM PST US
From: KENNETH D HILL <
<http://webmaila.juno.com/webmail/8?folder=Inbox&msgNum=00000MG0&bloc
k=1&msg
Nature=all&msgStatus=all&count=1149612409#>
kandshill2@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: [ Ken Hill ] : New Email List Photo Share
Available!
Hi Simon,
I wish they were. I recently put over 1000 miles on N214KS and the
fuel
required
to fill the tank agreed to within .1/.2 gallons of what the gauge said I
used. Plugs look normal.
Ken
Simon Smith <
<http://webmaila.juno.com/webmail/8?folder=Inbox&msgNum=00000MG0&bloc
k=1&msg
Nature=all&msgStatus=all&count=1149612409#> jodel@nildram.co.uk>
wrote:
I think you figures might be a little suspect. The Rotax 914
Operators
manual
give Take off performance as 5800rpm, 39.9 inHG and 8.7 us gph. Max
continuous
as 5500rpm, 35.4 inHG and 7.2 us gph. (ref pages 8-2 & 10-1)
Are you sure that your fuel flowe sensor is correctly calibrated?
Are these airspeeds IAS or TAS?
Simon
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| Subject: | radiators, coolers and colors |
You might recall a question I raised several months ago in asking whether
painting the water radiators of a Europa in white would affect their
ability to cool. (black body radiation).
To close the case, I can now report that the color white does not affect
the cooling ability ~ it does make insects more visible though. I figure,
the flying-by air molecule does not have sufficient time to check for
color of the radiator (due to Europa speeds) when it expands thus cooling
our cylinder heads (this applies to Rotax-driven Europas).
I have successfully raised oil temperatures though by living in Southern
California and installing those Xtra high compression pistons and will
install a second oil cooler in sequence to the original cooler and was
wondering whether anybody in Europa Universe does have a cooler oxydizing
around in his workshop for a good new home ? Europa, the company, does
not only stock them any more - they do not even remember where they
originally got them from.
be well,
<Thomas, N81EU>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
I have no flight time on a 914 as of yet. Do have a pretty good
understanding of the Bing type 64 though.
Go up in altitude and the mixture will richen up which = more fuel burn
for a given power setting compared to sea level.
The constant depression carbs are somewhat altitude compensating, but not
complete. Turbo in boost is more compensating than normal aspirated.
Once flying I will be able to tell pretty good numbers on fuel flow as to
just how much thin air richens mixture at given RPM/MP.
I have a fuel flow gauge, EGT, O2 sensor that drives a Mixture Monitor and
ability to lean things out.
Looking at color of spark plugs is not absolute as far as mixture. If you
want the best tell of mixture from the plugs, you need to be hard on motor
and turbo, and your skill of flying if a short wing mono with a right
quartering tailwind:
Run at desired power setting and altitude for a while, then shut motor off
right away and land deadstick without touching throttle position upon shut
down.
When you change throttle position, power setting and altitude things can
easily change and interfere with your good read of plugs.
I am somewhat of a motorhead, don't like to put undo stresses on motors,
so am going with ability to fiddle and test without hurting anything.
If you really wanted to be extreme precise on getting mixture just so,
measure carbon monoxide of each cylinder as per Rotax instructions for
making sure the leanest cylinder is rich enough for full throttle, just
vary a bit for cruise settings. They recommend such a test if you modify
the intake system of a 914. IMHO installing a intercooler is modifying the
intake system. Eastwood sells just such a measuring tool.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Nose gear assembly twisted |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Seitz" <daseitz@cfl.rr.com>
You don't have to heat it to get the leg out. Just remove the bolts and put
a pipe through the bushings for the wheel then just twist back and forth
wile pulling. It's just locktight not adheasive.
Dean
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Grass
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 1:05 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Nose gear assembly twisted
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
2. Fix it by applying careful heat and separate the assembly. Clean the
adhesive off and rebond the nose gear leg back into place with everything
properly aligned. Then redrill at the rear bushing at 90 deg to the original
orientation. The front bushing could be drilled in a 45 deg orientation. The
question here would be if this would harm the integrity of the nose leg and
what adhesive to use.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dean Seitz" <daseitz@cfl.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:55 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Nose gear assembly twisted
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Dean Seitz" <daseitz@cfl.rr.com>
>
> Yes, mine was very much off. It was just went the old Europa was going
> out.
> They were supposed to send me a new one. Never happened. Last year at Sun
> n
> Fun, Andy remembered it and the New Europa 04 sent me a new one no charge.
> Very nice of them to do it.
>
> Yes it is held in with two bolts and locktight. It should be straight
> vertical.
>
> Dean Seitz
> N284A Europa XS tri gear 914 Airmaster
> 92 hours so far.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Grass
> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 1:35 PM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Nose gear assembly twisted
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
>
> Hallo group,
>
> I am just about ready to mount my nose gear. Going to some web sites to
> see what others have done I noticed that Dean Seitz's nose gear was
> twisted about 2.9 deg to the left (in direction of the flight). I
> checked mine and it is 1.0 deg twisted to the left. I wonder if some
> twist to the left is intentional and if so , how much? If not, I wonder
> what other have done in order to correct it since this is set in place
> by Europa and bonded in with what looks like loctite and secured with an
> AN bolt across.
>
>
>
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I must be either lucky, or I'm running too low a power setting. With
450 hours under my belt on my 914 tri, the average is 4.3 US GPH
(mogas). I usually cruise at 4900 RPM and 31" MP..............rarely
less, and sometimes 5000 RPM and 34" MP when I'm in a hurry to get
someplace. I have a Whirlwind CS prop.
Garry Stout
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From: Paul McAllister
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:17 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: [ Ken Hill ] : New Email List Photo Share
Available!
These flow flows are pretty similar to what I see on my 914 Mono. I
have a dual sensor fuel flow on my EIS and over the last 400 hours I
have found it pretty well "nuts on" for accuracy. - Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KENNETH D
HILL
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 12:23 AM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Europa-List: [ Ken Hill ] : New Email List Photo Share
Available!
Hi Simon,
I wish they were. I recently put over 1000 miles on N214KS and the
fuel required to fill the tank agreed to within .1/.2 gallons of what
the gauge said I used. Plugs look normal.
Ken
Simon Smith <jodel@nildram.co.uk> wrote:
I think you figures might be a little suspect. The Rotax 914
Operators manual give Take off performance as 5800rpm, 39.9 inHG and 8.7
us gph. Max continuous as 5500rpm, 35.4 inHG and 7.2 us gph. (ref pages
8-2 & 10-1)
Are you sure that your fuel flowe sensor is correctly calibrated?
Are these airspeeds IAS or TAS?
Simon
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KENNETH D
HILL
Sent: 05 June 2006 00:24
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: [ Ken Hill ] : New Email List Photo
Share Available!
Duncan,
I'm afraid this data will get rearranged but here it goes. This
test was done at 5500' at a max weight of 1450lbs. with very little
deviation from standard day temp. Airspeeds are within 1 kt. These
airspeeds appear to stay constant up to 12,500 (the highest I've
observed)
1. 100kts, FF 3.8, RPM 4500, MF 25.
2. 116kts, FF 5.0, RPM 4800, MF 28
3. 129kts, FF 6.2, RPM 5000, MF 30
4. 134kts, FF 7.6, RPM 5250, MF 33
5. 140kts, FF 8.3, RPM 5500, MF 35
6 148kts, FF 10, RPM 5800, MF 40
I'd appreciate if others would post there data.
Ken
Duncan McFadyean <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
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Hi Gents, and any lurking ladies . .
I was hoping to get some serious build time in this summer, but now find
that I will be moving to the UK (Market Harborough area) in September.
This is a mixed blessing: Closer to my Europa's 'Home', but wondering
whether I should bring the ship along with me to work on, or leave/sell
behind.
If someone makes me a fair offer here in the US (Detroit area) for my Mono
XS with Jabiru 3300 firewall forward in crate, 900+ build hours into it and
control surfaces almost up to prime, I may be tempted to sell.
Alternatively, are there any folks who can help me find a building spot or
home/farmhouse to rent within 20K's of Market Harborough where I can bring
the plane with me to keep it moving along?
Cheers,
Cleve Lee
A198 Mono XS
Detroit, Michigan
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| Subject: | RE: What to do . . |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "flyingphil2" <ptiller@lolacars.com>
Hi,
I live in the Northampton area in the UK which is 28km from Market Harborough.
I am building a Europa but barely have space for mine let alone another one!
However, I know that Sywell aerodrome (25km) has recently been renovated and
I believe that they may have some workshop space available for rent for homebuild
projects. Alternatively, there is a gliding club at Husbands Bosworth (10km)
with lots of aviation minded people there who may know of a place to use.
Let me know if you need more information.
Regards,
Phil
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