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2. 08:57 AM - Re: First Flight - N245E (rlborger)
3. 10:40 AM - Re: Source for rattle can paint (Paul Stewart)
4. 12:06 PM - Re: First Flight - N245E (Simon Smith)
5. 01:33 PM - Ring Terminals or PushOn (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
6. 01:33 PM - Re: First Flight - N245E (Craig Ellison)
7. 02:17 PM - Re: First Flight - N245E (Steven Pitt)
8. 03:30 PM - Setting incidence before top goes on (danbish)
9. 03:30 PM - Re: Ring Terminals or PushOn (Cliff Shaw)
10. 03:31 PM - Re: Your Enquiry - ABS (ABS Handyman)
11. 03:31 PM - Re: Your Enquiry - ABS (ABS Handyman)
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20. 03:39 PM - Removing plastic wrap (danbish)
21. 03:42 PM - Re: Ring Terminals or PushOn (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
22. 03:56 PM - Re: Removing plastic wrap (Cliff Shaw)
23. 04:04 PM - Re: Setting incidence before top goes on (Karl Heindl)
24. 04:23 PM - Re: First Flight - N245E (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
25. 05:34 PM - Re: Ring Terminals or PushOn (Craig Ellison)
26. 05:34 PM - Re: Removing plastic wrap (Steve Hagar)
27. 07:36 PM - Re: First Flight - N245E (JEFF ROBERTS)
28. 11:01 PM - Re: Removing plastic wrap (David DeFord)
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| Subject: | First Flight - N245E |
Greetings all,
Just wanted to let everyone know that N245E broke the surly bonds of earth
at 6:05 PM EDT on July 7th at Matthews Field (TN89). The duration was 1:06 and
the flight was uneventful. I spent the better part of the flight circling
the field trying to get the piston rings to seat, although I did take a jaunt
up the valley 10 miles or so once I felt comfortable with the engine. I would
have flown longer, but I found it quite uncomfortable with my seat cushion
removed and using my parachute for padding.
It fly's straight and level hands off and the handling is crisp and
predictable. Minor adjustments in the rudder cables are needed, but other than
that
it is a ball to fly! The Jabiru 3300 performed flawlessly and the airplane
jumped off the ground in about 400' on the turf runway. I didn't really record
any performance numbers, but I will in the next few flights and I'll post them
here. I did run it up to 137 knots once, though, and there was plenty of
throttle left. Ground observers said it was very, very quiet.
Many thanks to all here in the Europa family and special thanks to Andy
Silvester for all his assistance and the fine FWF package he's put together. I
also want to thank Neville for his guidance along the way and Andy Draper and
the Europa factory for their assistance as well. Lastly, I want to thank my
wife Susan for her consistent encouragement and support, not to mention her
patience, over the 3.5 year build. She's chomping at the bit for me to get my
40
hours flown off so she can fly it.
The Europa Permagrin has begun.....
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
N245E - FLYING!
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight - N245E |
John,
Congratulations!!! Sounds wonderful.
Please do keep us posted on the test flying.
WONDERFUL!!
Great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
(85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar
in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done. Baggage bay in. Working in - 24
Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 28 Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel
System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing. Airmaster
arrived 29 Sep 05. Seat arrived from Oregon Aero. Preparing ROTAX
914 for installation.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Re: Source for rattle can paint |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Ron
our sprayer has used 2K from this lot who also do primer and colour
in cans. Don't know what the quality of the cans is like. Quick mail
order service as well as local distributers.
Regards
Paul Stewart
G-GIDY
On 8 Jul 2006, at 06:32, <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
> Anyone know of a good primer and top coat in rattle can for smaller
> internal stuff? Where can I purchase?
>
> I have been fooling with rattle can primers for aluminium and
> steel, and
> am not too impressed thus far.
>
> Have tried Spruce self etch primer, very hard to get on thin, tried
> 280
> grit sand, and 100 grit sand / then clean and does not stick all that
> well.
>
> Tempo Zinc Chromate (out drive) does not stick all that well, and even
> with trying to put on thin, stays mushy and does not stick all that
> well.
>
> As far as top coat, I fooled with trying Spruce Epoxy propeller
> paint over
> their self etch primer after waiting am hour to dry and sanding
> with 400
> grit as per instructions, and also tried without primer, not stuck
> very
> good, and not too robust after a week of drying.
>
> Also tried Spruce Enamel over both above primers, and stand alone,
> works
> not too well especial on aluminium.
>
> Sandblasting with 120 grit aluminium oxide, then Dupont Variprime,
> then
> thin PPG adhesion coat (I forget the exact, perhaps DTMF?) then single
> stage PPG polyurethane works well, but is a involved task. For
> internal
> small stuff sure would be nice to use a rattle can.
>
> Thx.
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
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| Subject: | First Flight - N245E |
Congratulations John!
Being only a week ahead of you I know how you feel. I must warn you
though
that your cheeks will begin to hurt with all the grinning :)
cheers
Simon
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Sent: 08 July 2006 15:55
Greetings all,
Just wanted to let everyone know that N245E broke the surly bonds of
earth
at 6:05 PM EDT on July 7th at Matthews Field (TN89). The duration was
1:06
and the flight was uneventful. I spent the better part of the flight
circling the field trying to get the piston rings to seat, although I
did
take a jaunt up the valley 10 miles or so once I felt comfortable with
the
engine. I would have flown longer, but I found it quite uncomfortable
with
my seat cushion removed and using my parachute for padding.
It fly's straight and level hands off and the handling is crisp and
predictable. Minor adjustments in the rudder cables are needed, but
other
than that it is a ball to fly! The Jabiru 3300 performed flawlessly and
the
airplane jumped off the ground in about 400' on the turf runway. I
didn't
really record any performance numbers, but I will in the next few
flights
and I'll post them here. I did run it up to 137 knots once, though, and
there was plenty of throttle left. Ground observers said it was very,
very
quiet.
Many thanks to all here in the Europa family and special thanks to Andy
Silvester for all his assistance and the fine FWF package he's put
together.
I also want to thank Neville for his guidance along the way and Andy
Draper
and the Europa factory for their assistance as well. Lastly, I want to
thank
my wife Susan for her consistent encouragement and support, not to
mention
her patience, over the 3.5 year build. She's chomping at the bit for me
to
get my 40 hours flown off so she can fly it.
The Europa Permagrin has begun.....
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
N245E - FLYING!
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| Subject: | Ring Terminals or PushOn |
Good day All,
Just a quick question.....what are builders using for the electrical
connections for the power and ground connectors behind the front panels.....push-on
or
ring terminals under screws?
Mike Duane
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight - N245E |
Congratulations John!
Sounds like you have a true winner. I am just a short ways ahead of
you(34hr so far) and it just keeps getting better. Have fun!
Craig Ellison
Silverton, OR
N205CN
----- Original Message -----
From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 7:54 AM
Subject: Europa-List: First Flight - N245E
Greetings all,
Just wanted to let everyone know that N245E broke the surly bonds of
earth at 6:05 PM EDT on July 7th at Matthews Field (TN89). The duration
was 1:06 and the flight was uneventful. I spent the better part of the
flight circling the field trying to get the piston rings to seat,
although I did take a jaunt up the valley 10 miles or so once I felt
comfortable with the engine. I would have flown longer, but I found it
quite uncomfortable with my seat cushion removed and using my parachute
for padding.
It fly's straight and level hands off and the handling is crisp and
predictable. Minor adjustments in the rudder cables are needed, but
other than that it is a ball to fly! The Jabiru 3300 performed
flawlessly and the airplane jumped off the ground in about 400' on the
turf runway. I didn't really record any performance numbers, but I will
in the next few flights and I'll post them here. I did run it up to 137
knots once, though, and there was plenty of throttle left. Ground
observers said it was very, very quiet.
Many thanks to all here in the Europa family and special thanks to
Andy Silvester for all his assistance and the fine FWF package he's put
together. I also want to thank Neville for his guidance along the way
and Andy Draper and the Europa factory for their assistance as well.
Lastly, I want to thank my wife Susan for her consistent encouragement
and support, not to mention her patience, over the 3.5 year build. She's
chomping at the bit for me to get my 40 hours flown off so she can fly
it.
The Europa Permagrin has begun.....
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
N245E - FLYING!
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight - N245E |
Well done John - you've beaten me to it. Although mine has passed its
MOT I now await the PFA Permit to Fly and have been told I can't use the
chosen airfield because of Farnborough Airshow - I cannot believe how
many times I have had to wait during my build.
Regards and best wishes.
Steve Pitt G-SMDH
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| Subject: | Setting incidence before top goes on |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "danbish" <n914rb@earthlink.net>
Hi,
Anyone out there know if it's a bad idea to set the wing incidence before the top
is completely bonded on? I have it secured by clecos and tight straps so it's
in precisely the position it'll be in when bonded on.
Anyone that's flying tried this?
Thanks for the input,
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Ring Terminals or PushOn |
Mike
Either terminal will do just fine as long as they are the aviation
double shank type and properly crimped. I used the screw type because I
had them. according to "Electric Bob" the slip on type work just as
well.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: DuaneFamly@aol.com
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 1:29 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Ring Terminals or PushOn
Good day All,
Just a quick question.....what are builders using for the electrical
connections for the power and ground connectors behind the front
panels.....push-on or ring terminals under screws?
Mike Duane
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Removing plastic wrap |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "danbish" <n914rb@earthlink.net>
Hi all,
I use plastic wrap as a release film when doing various layups and, of course,
it sticks to the layup and not the piece you're molding it against.
But does anyone know of anything that will easily dissolve the wrap from the layup?
I've been sanding it off but that's messy and time consuming. I just need
a way to make sure it is all removed without harming the layup.
Thanks,
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Ring Terminals or PushOn |
Thanks Cliff......I was just wondering about the screws holding the ring
terminals backing out due to vibration.
Mike Duane
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: Removing plastic wrap |
Dan
In stead of plastic wrap (cling film) I used Duct Tape.
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
----- Original Message -----
From: danbish
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 3:38 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Removing plastic wrap
--> Europa-List message posted by: "danbish" <n914rb@earthlink.net>
Hi all,
I use plastic wrap as a release film when doing various layups and, of
course, it sticks to the layup and not the piece you're molding it
against.
But does anyone know of anything that will easily dissolve the wrap
from the layup? I've been sanding it off but that's messy and time
consuming. I just need a way to make sure it is all removed without
harming the layup.
Thanks,
Dan
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| Subject: | Setting incidence before top goes on |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Karl Heindl" <kheindl@msn.com>
Yes, I did almost all work before bonding on top and had no problems. I did
not install the fuselage stiffener between door sill and seat until
afterwards.
Karl
>From: "danbish" <n914rb@earthlink.net>
>Subject: Europa-List: Setting incidence before top goes on
>Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 01:25:43 +0300
>
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "danbish" <n914rb@earthlink.net>
>
>Hi,
>
>Anyone out there know if it's a bad idea to set the wing incidence before
>the top is completely bonded on? I have it secured by clecos and tight
>straps so it's in precisely the position it'll be in when bonded on.
>
>Anyone that's flying tried this?
>
>Thanks for the input,
>
>Dan
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight - N245E |
John,
Congratulations! Feels fast, doesn't it! Since I am also installing the
Jab3300 (just received it), I'm very interested in what your flight figures come
up
to be. Which prop did you decide on?
Also a quick question....what size bolts did you use to mount the Jab
mounting frame to the Europa landing gear frame? Do anything special during your
mounting procedure?
Mike Duane
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: Ring Terminals or PushOn |
Hi Mike,
I used push on ,25in terminals and they have worked fine for the first
34 hr.
craig ellison
silverton, or
N205CN
----- Original Message -----
From: DuaneFamly@aol.com
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 1:29 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Ring Terminals or PushOn
Good day All,
Just a quick question.....what are builders using for the electrical
connections for the power and ground connectors behind the front
panels.....push-on or ring terminals under screws?
Mike Duane
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Removing plastic wrap |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
It sounds as if your plastic wrap is too thin. I had used visqueen about
.004" thick. Removal involved getting an edge of a razor under a corner to
lift it and then peeling it off by hand.
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
> [Original Message]
> From: danbish <n914rb@earthlink.net>
> Date: 7/8/2006 3:43:25 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Removing plastic wrap
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "danbish" <n914rb@earthlink.net>
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> Hi all,
>
> I use plastic wrap as a release film when doing various layups and, of
course, it sticks to the layup and not the piece you're molding it against.
>
> But does anyone know of anything that will easily dissolve the wrap from
the layup? I've been sanding it off but that's messy and time consuming. I
just need a way to make sure it is all removed without harming the layup.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight - N245E |
Congradulations John!
Sounds like your going to have a fast and I know a very fun bird. Keep
us informed on your test. I think you have a winning combo with the Jab
and new prop you are using. Are you going to OSH by any chance?
Jeff
N128LJ Flying off the 40
On Jul 8, 2006, at 9:54 AM, TELEDYNMCS@aol.com wrote:
>
> Greetings all,
> -
> Just wanted to let everyone know that N245E broke the surly bonds of
> earth at 6:05 PM EDT on July 7th at Matthews Field (TN89).-The
> duration was 1:06 and-the flight-was uneventful. I spent the
better
> part of the flight circling the field trying to get the piston rings
> to seat, although I did take a jaunt up the valley 10 miles or so once
> I felt comfortable with the engine. I would have flown longer, but I
> found it quite uncomfortable with my seat cushion removed and using my
> parachute for padding.
> -
> It fly's straight and level hands off and the handling is crisp and
> predictable.-Minor adjustments in the rudder cables are needed, but
> other than that it is a ball to fly! The Jabiru 3300 performed
> flawlessly and the airplane jumped off the ground in about 400' on
> the-turf runway.-I didn't really record any performance numbers,
but I
> will in-the next few flights and I'll post them here. I did run it
up
> to 137 knots once, though, and there was plenty of throttle
> left.-Ground observers said it was very, very quiet.-
> -
> Many thanks to all here in the Europa family and special thanks to
> Andy Silvester for all his assistance and the fine FWF package he's
> put together. I also want to thank Neville for his guidance along the
> way and Andy Draper and the Europa factory for their assistance as
> well. Lastly, I want to thank my wife Susan for her consistent
> encouragement and support, not to mention her patience, over the 3.5
> year build. She's chomping at the bit for me to get my 40 hours flown
> off so she can fly it.
> -
> The Europa Permagrin has begun.....
> -
> Regards,
> -
> John Lawton
> Dunlap, TN
> N245E - FLYING!
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| Subject: | Removing plastic wrap |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David DeFord" <davedeford@comcast.net>
> I use plastic wrap as a release film when doing various
> layups and, of course, it sticks to the layup and not the
> piece you're molding it against.
>
> But does anyone know of anything that will easily dissolve
> the wrap from the layup? I've been sanding it off but that's
> messy and time consuming. I just need a way to make sure it
> is all removed without harming the layup.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan
Dan,
It may be easier to stop the plastic from sticking in the first place. We
generally coat the film (or clear packing tape) with mold release (bought
from Aircraft Spruce, but it looks pretty much like ordinary paste wax for
cars). The layup comes right off after it's set. The wax residue is easily
cleaned off with solvent, if you need to bond or paint the surface later.
Dave DeFord
N135TD (XS mono, 912S, Airmaster, 450 hours)
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