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1. 12:21 AM - DOTH Swansea Friday (Paddy Clarke)
2. 12:35 AM - Re: PB 1 Propeller balancer (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
3. 12:36 AM - Re: DOTH Swansea Friday (Pete Lawless)
4. 01:42 AM - Re: DOTH Swansea Friday (Paddy Clarke)
5. 03:15 AM - Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend (Belinda Glover)
6. 04:58 AM - Re: OSH Attendees (Jim Butcher)
7. 06:15 AM - Maximum Range flights. (Paul McAllister)
8. 06:48 AM - Re: Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend (Pete Lawless)
9. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: OSH Attendees (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
10. 08:31 AM - Re: OSHKOSH Attendees Contact Info (Gary R Roberts)
11. 08:31 AM - Re: Re: OSH Attendees (Cliff Shaw)
12. 08:37 AM - Re: DOTH Swansea Friday (A B Milne)
13. 09:16 AM - Re: Maximum Range flights. (David Joyce)
14. 09:16 AM - Re: Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend (David Joyce)
15. 12:07 PM - Rectifier-Regulator 91X (Richard Holder)
16. 12:47 PM - Re: DOTH Swansea Friday (steve v.)
17. 01:12 PM - Re: Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend (Bryan Allsop)
18. 01:14 PM - Re: DOTH Swansea-Alasdair's first (Bryan Allsop)
19. 01:43 PM - Re: Maximum Range flights. (BEBERRY@aol.com)
20. 01:52 PM - Re: Re: OSH Attendees (kbcarpenter@comcast.net)
21. 02:01 PM - Re: Rectifier-Regulator 91X (BEBERRY@aol.com)
22. 02:04 PM - Re: Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend (Duncan McFadyean)
23. 02:20 PM - Re: Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend (Pete Lawless)
24. 02:29 PM - Re: OSH Attendees (danbish)
25. 02:39 PM - Re: Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend (Belinda Glover)
26. 03:55 PM - Re: PROBABLE SPAM> Re: Maximum Range flights. (Paul McAllister)
27. 04:24 PM - Re: Re: OSH Attendees (Garry)
28. 05:08 PM - Re: PROBABLE SPAM> Re: Maximum Range flights. (Kingsley Hurst)
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| Subject: | DOTH Swansea Friday |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Hi All,
I've had no internet connection for 3 weeks and no 'phone for a week,
so I've been a bit out of touch. Now I'm back, it seems a bit quiet
on the DOTH front. How about Swansea tomorrow Friday, the weather may
be good enough for anyone coming from up north to fly straight over
the mountains - 1200 ish - voucher in Pilot,
Cheers, Paddy
Do Not Archive
Paddy Clarke
Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
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| Subject: | Re: PB 1 Propeller balancer |
I agree with William. Very easy to use. I followed their recommendation
on where to mount the accellerometer - removed the vacuum pump and used
its bolt holes. The instructions are good on how to use the various
optional displays, etc. Particularly liked the frequency analyzer part,
useful for better understanding of the cause(s) of any vibrations you
will feel (e.g. prop. induced and/or low-frequency structural vibrations
caused by engine/prop.) EAA Chapter Norway just bought this analyzer
for use by its members.
Regards,
Svein
Ground testing on-going
----- Original Message -----
From: William Mills
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: PB 1 Propeller balancer
It gives excellent results and is easy to use. Mark has developed it
on his and many other Europas over the past four years.
Regards,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul McAllister
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 3:51 AM
Subject: Europa-List: PB 1 Propeller balancer
Hi All,
Has anyone had any experience with the PB1Propeller balancer from
Smart Avionics, good or bad ?
Thanks, Paul
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| Subject: | DOTH Swansea Friday |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Hi Paddy
Do they have a working restaurant? It was very closed down last time I went
there last autumn we could not even get a cup of tea.
Pete
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH Swansea Friday |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Hi Pete,
According to the Pilot entry the answer is yes - 0900-1600 Wed-Sun.
But I give no guarantees!
Cheers, Paddy
On 13 Jul 2006, at 8:36, Pete Lawless wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
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> Hi Paddy
>
> Do they have a working restaurant? It was very closed down last
> time I went
> there last autumn we could not even get a cup of tea.
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> Pete
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Paddy Clarke
Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
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| Subject: | Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend |
Pete and Paddy,
Dave Joyce has organised another fly in for Lundy on Sunday. It is a
combined Devon Strut and Gloucester strut event. There will be at least
3 Europas going including Dave's and Tim Houlahan's and us.
If you wanted to join us I am sure you are welcome, try Dave's email to
let him know as he will PPR the group of failing that contact Lundy
direct.
Regards
Gary
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: OSH Attendees |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>
Dan,
Good idea making a list. I've cleaned it up here. For those adding their
information, please use the most recent posting.
How about if we suggest meeting each day at 11:30 am at the Homebuilders
Headquarters Building, Box # 71, Grid # A4 on last year's convention map.
> Dan Bish - Builder - 520.360.9747 - Tues thru Thurs
> Jeff Roberts - Flying N128LJ Cell Phone 615-406-8651 Monday -T- Wednesday
> Dave Miller C-FBZI, Chris Staines C-GFSY , cell 519-494-2741 Saturday and
Sunday, driving in, staying at Marion College
> Jan & Fran Volcic also indicate they will be driving in for same dates
> Paul McAllister, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Flying if the weather is
good driving if not.
> Richard Schultz - N262AE 713.703.2156 Sunday to Saturday, flight line or
the homebuilt camping area
> Jim & Heather Butcher, N241BW flying or driving 269-599-0122 Tues - Sat
Jim & Heather Butcher
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| Subject: | Maximum Range flights. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi all,
I need to profess ignorance on this topic. My question has two parts.
Firstly is the maximum endurance achieved at the best L/D speed ? Without
getting Mr. Dykin's book out I seem to recall that was around 80 ~ 90 knots.
For the second part of the question. Is my max range in a head wind
situation achieved at the best L/D plus the head wind component ? So for
example I wanted to get the most out of my tank of fuel and I had a head
wind component of 20 knots, should I fly at the best L/D plus 20 knots.
Paul
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| Subject: | Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend |
Hi Gary
Nothing I have heard about Lundy would encourage me to land a mono wheel
Europa there. The risks of a prop strike are just too high. Now a proper
tail dragger would be a different matter.
Regards
Pete
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| Subject: | Re: OSH Attendees |
Jim and Lynne Puglise, Builders. Thursday through Sunday. Staying in the dorms.
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> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher"
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> Dan,
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> Good idea making a list. I've cleaned it up here. For those adding their
> information, please use the most recent posting.
> How about if we suggest meeting each day at 11:30 am at the Homebuilders
> Headquarters Building, Box # 71, Grid # A4 on last year's convention map.
>
> > Dan Bish - Builder - 520.360.9747 - Tues thru Thurs
> > Jeff Roberts - Flying N128LJ Cell Phone 615-406-8651 Monday -T- Wednesday
> > Dave Miller C-FBZI, Chris Staines C-GFSY , cell 519-494-2741 Saturday and
> Sunday, driving in, staying at Marion College
> > Jan & Fran Volcic also indicate they will be driving in for same dates
> > Paul McAllister, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Flying if the weather is
> good driving if not.
> > Richard Schultz - N262AE 713.703.2156 Sunday to Saturday, flight line or
> the homebuilt camping area
> > Jim & Heather Butcher, N241BW flying or driving 269-599-0122 Tues - Sat
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<DIV>Jim and Lynne Puglise, Builders. Thursday through Sunday. Staying
in the dorms. </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Jim Butcher"
<europa@triton.net> <BR><BR>> --> Europa-List message posted by:
"Jim Butcher" <EUROPA@TRITON.NET><BR>> <BR>> Dan, <BR>> <BR>> Good
idea making a list. I've cleaned it up here. For those adding their <BR>>
information, please use the most recent posting. <BR>> How about if we suggest
meeting each day at 11:30 am at the Homebuilders <BR>> Headquarters Building,
Box # 71, Grid # A4 on last year's convention map. <BR>> <BR>> >
Dan Bish - Builder - 520.360.9747 - Tues thru Thurs <BR>> > Jeff Roberts
- Flying N128LJ Cell Phone 615-406-8651 Monday -T- Wednesday <BR>> >
Dave Miller C-FBZI, Chris Staines C-GFSY , cell 519-494-2741 Saturday and <BR>>
Sunday, driving in, staying at Marion College <BR>> > Jan & Fran
Volcic also indicate they will be driving in for
same d
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| Subject: | Re: OSHKOSH Attendees Contact Info |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gary R Roberts <grroberts3@juno.com>
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:08:59 +0300 "danbish" <n914rb@earthlink.net>
writes:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "danbish" <n914rb@earthlink.net>
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> Hi Jim,
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> Thanks for the info on the forum. I'm going to be at OSH starting
> Tuesday but unfortunately will be leaving Friday morning. Since this
> is my first time going, I want to see as many Europas as possible.
> And because they'll probably be parked all over hell's half acre, I
> was wondering if we could start a list of contact info of flyers and
> builders. So I'll start it off and those attending can respond to
> this tread. Add your name to the bottom of the list where shown;
> that way just one page need be printed to take with.
>
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Dan Bish - Builder - 520.360.9747 - Tues thru Thurs
Gary R. Roberts - Builder - 520.307.7231 - Tues thru Thurs
> [b:ff171ba6fd]>>> Reply and stick your name an similar contact info
> here <<<[/b:ff171ba6fd]
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| Subject: | Re: OSH Attendees |
How about if we suggest meeting each day at 11:30 am at the Homebuilders
Headquarters Building, Box # 71, Grid # A4 on last year's convention
map.
1) Dan Bish - Builder - 520.360.9747 - Tues thru Thurs
2) Jeff Roberts - Flying N128LJ Cell Phone 615-406-8651 Monday -T-
Wednesday
3) Dave Miller C-FBZI, Chris Staines C-GFSY , cell 519-494-2741
Saturday and Sunday, driving in, staying at Marion College
4) Jan & Fran Volcic also indicate they will be driving in for same
dates
5) Paul McAllister, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Flying if the
weather is
good driving if not.
6) Richard Schultz - N262AE 713.703.2156 Sunday to Saturday, flight
line or
the homebuilt camping area
7) Jim & Heather Butcher, N241BW flying or driving 269-599-0122 Tues -
Sat
8) Cliff and Betty Shaw, N229WC Flying from Seattle, all week
425-478-3233
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH Swansea Friday |
--> Europa-List message posted by: A B Milne <milneab@onetel.com>
Count me in please as a new DOTH 'member'. Intention is to get there about
noon.
Yours,
Alasdair Milne G-CBYN Tri Gear Brimpton.
Quoting Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
>
> Hi All,
> I've had no internet connection for 3 weeks and no 'phone for a week,
> so I've been a bit out of touch. Now I'm back, it seems a bit quiet
> on the DOTH front. How about Swansea tomorrow Friday, the weather may
> be good enough for anyone coming from up north to fly straight over
> the mountains - 1200 ish - voucher in Pilot,
> Cheers, Paddy
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> Paddy Clarke
>
> Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
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| Subject: | Re: Maximum Range flights. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Paul, In gliding I was brought up on the notion of adding 1/2 the headwind
component to the best glide angle speed, although for high winds (amounting
to a major proportion of the best still air glide angle speed), the best
addition is nearer 3/4 wind speed. Quite how you extrapolate that to power
flying is a different matter all together! My copy of Darrol Stinton's book
says that for piston engined planes the optimal range is very close to best
L/D speed, although curiously rather different for jet planes. It's easy
enough to work out the best L/D speed with the prop idling, but it must be
something quite different without the drag of the prop. Fuel flow tests I
helped William Mills do on his Classic 912S at 7000 ft showed Nm/litre
dropping progressively from 8.2 at 100 kts to 7.3 at 130 kts. In my own 914
XS I once accompanied a 90 kt plane to Le Touquet and back and barely seemed
to use any fuel at all, although it did seem to take an awful long time to
get there!
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:08 PM
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
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> Hi all,
>
> I need to profess ignorance on this topic. My question has two parts.
> Firstly is the maximum endurance achieved at the best L/D speed ? Without
> getting Mr. Dykin's book out I seem to recall that was around 80 ~ 90
knots.
>
> For the second part of the question. Is my max range in a head wind
> situation achieved at the best L/D plus the head wind component ? So for
> example I wanted to get the most out of my tank of fuel and I had a head
> wind component of 20 knots, should I fly at the best L/D plus 20 knots.
>
> Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Peter, been there several times in mine, with other monos too. Never a sniff
of concern for the prop. In fact I think that Lundy was designed for the
Europa mono & vice-versa! Much easier than Bill Wynne's strip. Regards,
David
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:46 PM
> Hi Gary
>
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> Nothing I have heard about Lundy would encourage me to land a mono wheel
> Europa there. The risks of a prop strike are just too high. Now a proper
> tail dragger would be a different matter.
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> Regards
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> Pete
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| Subject: | Rectifier-Regulator 91X |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Hi guys
Has anyone :
Bought/acquired a rectifier-regulator (RR) in the last year
AND
Fitted it
AND
has an analogue ammeter
AND
used the plane
This could be a replacement RR or the original supplied
with the engine.
Does your ammeter oscillate above 4600 rpm ? If so how
much ? (at 4600 and at 5700)
Whether it does oscillate or not I would appreciate
knowing the date it was made. (It is stamped on the RR
case in the form 0105 for January 2005.
TIA
Richard Holder
G-OWWW High Cross
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| Subject: | RE: DOTH Swansea Friday |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
Hi , have you an approx. ETA as i live only a few miles from Swansea & would like
to call in when you arrive , steve vestuti #573
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| Subject: | Re: Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend |
14 Hantone HillHi Pete,
Please explain!
Bryan Allsop
----- Original Message -----
From: Pete Lawless
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:46 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this
weekend
Hi Gary
Nothing I have heard about Lundy would encourage me to land a mono
wheel Europa there. The risks of a prop strike are just too high. Now
a proper tail dragger would be a different matter.
Regards
Pete
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH Swansea-Alasdair's first |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
Enjoy the trip Alasdair. See you there.
Bryan G BYSA XS Mono.
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 4:36 PM
> --> Europa-List message posted by: A B Milne <milneab@onetel.com>
>
> Count me in please as a new DOTH 'member'. Intention is to get there
> about
> noon.
>
> Yours,
>
> Alasdair Milne G-CBYN Tri Gear Brimpton.
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> Quoting Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>:
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>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
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>> Hi All,
>> I've had no internet connection for 3 weeks and no 'phone for a week,
>> so I've been a bit out of touch. Now I'm back, it seems a bit quiet
>> on the DOTH front. How about Swansea tomorrow Friday, the weather may
>> be good enough for anyone coming from up north to fly straight over
>> the mountains - 1200 ish - voucher in Pilot,
>> Cheers, Paddy
>> Do Not Archive
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>> Paddy Clarke
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| Subject: | Re: Maximum Range flights. |
Roughly speaking, for most aircraft, the best endurance speed is about 80%
of best range speed.
Patrick
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| Subject: | Re: OSH Attendees |
Ken Carpenter N9XS, driving. There Monday to Sunday. Fairfield Inn.
-------------- Original message --------------
Jim and Lynne Puglise, Builders. Thursday through Sunday. Staying in the dorms.
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher"
>
> Dan,
>
> Good idea making a list. I've cleaned it up here. For those adding their
> information, please use the most recent posting.
> How about if we suggest meeting each day at 11:30 am at the Homebuilders
> Headquarters Building, Box # 71, Grid # A4 on last year's convention map.
>
> > Dan Bish - Builder - 520.360.9747 - Tues thru Thurs
> > Jeff Roberts - Flying N128LJ Cell Phone 615-406-8651 Monday -T- Wednesday
> > Dave Miller C-FBZI, Chris Staines C-GFSY , cell 519-494-2741 Saturday and
> Sunday, driving in, staying at Marion College
> > Jan & Fran Volcic also indicate they will be driving in for same d RONICS
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<DIV>Ken Carpenter N9XS, driving. There Monday to Sunday. Fairfield Inn.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: jimpuglise@comcast.net
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<DIV>Jim and Lynne Puglise, Builders. Thursday through Sunday. Staying
in the dorms. </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Jim Butcher"
<europa@triton.net> <BR><BR>> --> Europa-List message posted by:
"Jim Butcher" <EUROPA@TRITON.NET><BR>> <BR>> Dan, <BR>> <BR>> Good
idea making a list. I've cleaned it up here. For those adding their <BR>>
information, please use the most recent posting. <BR>> How about if we suggest
meeting each day at 11:30 am at the Homebuilders <BR>> Headquarters Building,
Box # 71, Grid # A4 on last year's convention map. <BR>> <BR>> >
Dan Bish - Builder - 520.360.9747 - Tues thru Thurs <BR>> > Jeff Roberts
- Flying N128LJ Cell Phone 615-406-8651 Monday -T- Wednesday <BR>> >
Dave Miller C-FBZI, Chris Staines C-GFSY , cell 519-494-2741 Saturday and <BR>>
Sunday, driving in, staying at Marion College <BR>> > Jan & Fran
Volcic also indicate they will be driving in for
same d
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| Subject: | Re: Rectifier-Regulator 91X |
No, but I would be interested to hear if you are having problems with the
regulator. I have an indicated nil charge and (referring to the wiring
diagram) have only 5 connections to attach to the 6 spade connectors on the
regulator. Much investigation has failed to find the missing wire.
Has anyone come across this strange anomaly?
Patrick
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| Subject: | Re: Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend |
14 Hantone Hill<<Now a proper tail dragger would be a different matter>>
Hear Hear!
Duncan McF
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----- Original Message -----
From: Pete Lawless
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:46 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this
weekend
Hi Gary
Nothing I have heard about Lundy would encourage me to land a mono
wheel Europa there. The risks of a prop strike are just too high. Now
a proper tail dragger would be a different matter.
Regards
Pete
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| Subject: | Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend |
Evening Bryan
Well I am based on hearsay from others who have been there, but if you
remember the accident stats from last year (or was it the previous
year?)
there were 2 aeroplanes badly damaged, one of which I think caught fire.
The latest information I have is from a mate who visited a few weeks
ago, he
described it as very rough with rocks sticking through the surface. It
only
needs a combination of a slight bounce combined with a protruding rock
either under the tail wheel or under the prop and there you have the
making
of a problem. Now the thought of dealing with a replacement prop on
Lundy
just does not appeal to me - especially as my prop is NSI and any
replacement blades, if indeed they can still be got, are likely to take
months to arrive. Meanwhile, I would be faced with an aeroplane tied
down,
in the open, on a rock in the Bristol Channel. It is simply not a risk
I am
prepared to take.
Now if I still had my Cub I would not hesitate, plenty of prop clearance
with the tail down.
Regards
Pete
Hi Pete,
Please explain!
Bryan Allsop
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:46 PM
weekend
Hi Gary
Nothing I have heard about Lundy would encourage me to land a mono wheel
Europa there. The risks of a prop strike are just too high. Now a
proper
tail dragger would be a different matter.
Regards
Pete
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| Subject: | RE: OSH Attendees |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "danbish" <n914rb@earthlink.net>
Jim,
That sounds like a great idea. I'll send a final email Saturday the 22nd with a
reminder and all of the contact info.
Thanks,
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend |
14 Hantone HillPete,
Interesting, are you saying you feel there is still a risk of a prop
strike even if the Europa mono continues to drag its tail, ie tailwheel
on the deck?
Gary
Hi Gary
Nothing I have heard about Lundy would encourage me to land a mono
wheel Europa there. The risks of a prop strike are just too high. Now
a proper tail dragger would be a different matter.
Regards
Pete
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| Subject: | Re: Maximum Range flights. |
Patrick,
Being someone who is easily confused can you help me understand the
difference between best endurance and best range.
My interest is coming up with a way of determining the best speed to fly for
a given head wind component that would yeild the maximum distance across the
ground.
Paul
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of BEBERRY@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 3:39 PM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: PROBABLE SPAM> Re: Europa-List: Maximum Range flights.
Roughly speaking, for most aircraft, the best endurance speed is about 80%
of best range speed.
Patrick
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| Subject: | Re: OSH Attendees |
Regretfully I'm not able to make Oshkosh this year, but Bob Berube and
Russell Lepre will be there. Look them up at the Zenith /
FlightCrafters booth and say hello to these old friends of Europa.
Garry Stout
914 Tri, 450 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: Cliff Shaw
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: OSH Attendees
How about if we suggest meeting each day at 11:30 am at the
Homebuilders
Headquarters Building, Box # 71, Grid # A4 on last year's convention
map.
1) Dan Bish - Builder - 520.360.9747 - Tues thru Thurs
2) Jeff Roberts - Flying N128LJ Cell Phone 615-406-8651 Monday -T-
Wednesday
3) Dave Miller C-FBZI, Chris Staines C-GFSY , cell 519-494-2741
Saturday and Sunday, driving in, staying at Marion College
4) Jan & Fran Volcic also indicate they will be driving in for same
dates
5) Paul McAllister, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Flying if the
weather is
good driving if not.
6) Richard Schultz - N262AE 713.703.2156 Sunday to Saturday, flight
line or
the homebuilt camping area
7) Jim & Heather Butcher, N241BW flying or driving 269-599-0122 Tues
- Sat
8) Cliff and Betty Shaw, N229WC Flying from Seattle, all week
425-478-3233
Cliff Shaw
1041 Euclid ave.
Edmonds, WA 98020
425 776 5555
http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
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| Subject: | Re: Maximum Range flights. |
Hello Paul,
You said :-
> Being someone who is easily confused can you help me understand the
difference between best endurance and best range.
"Best Endurance" is the maximum amount of TIME you can spend in the air.
This would be accomplished at the minimum power (hence minimum fuel
flow) necessary to sustain level flight. This is used for situations
like carrying out a search when you want to stay in the air as long as
possible but don't want to cover great distances. Wind has NO affect on
Endurance.
"Best Range" is the maximum "DISTANCE" you can fly under the prevailing
wind conditions.
> My interest is coming up with a way of determining the best speed to
fly for a given head wind component that would yield the maximum
distance across the ground.
To achieve best "Range" when there is wind, one should slow down with a
tailwind and speed up with a headwind. The question of course, is "how
much" to slow down or speed up. If the figures are not published
anywhere, I think it would be necessary to log fuel flows at all flight
true airspeeds and then do the maths necessary to construct a graph.
To try to make the point clearer, let's take a case to its logical
extreme. Consider an aircraft with a 120 kts max speed and best L/D of
70 kts. If this aircraft flew at 70 kts into a 70 Kt headwind, its
range would be zero because it would be stationary over the ground. Now
if it flew at 120 kts, it would make headway at 50 kts GS and the range
would depend on the amount of fuel it could carry. If it was to fly at
80 kts into the same 70 kt headwind, it would have a GS of 10 kts so
would take five times as long to cover the same distance as if it was
flying at 120 kts. Therefore, if it burns less than five times the
amount of fuel at 120 kts as it does at 80 kts (it would want to!) then
with a 70 kt headwind, it would achieve a much greater range flying at
120kts than 80 kts.
Sorry Paul, I just typed the last paragraph before I realised you
already understand the problem. Ah well, I'll leave it there anyway.
Maybe somebody else can explain the best way to do the flight testing
and how to draw the graphs so we can all learn. If I ever get flying
myself, I will want the answers too!
Best regards
Kingsley
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