---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/13/06: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:21 AM - DOTH Swansea Friday (Paddy Clarke) 2. 12:35 AM - Re: PB 1 Propeller balancer (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 3. 12:36 AM - Re: DOTH Swansea Friday (Pete Lawless) 4. 01:42 AM - Re: DOTH Swansea Friday (Paddy Clarke) 5. 03:15 AM - Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend (Belinda Glover) 6. 04:58 AM - Re: OSH Attendees (Jim Butcher) 7. 06:15 AM - Maximum Range flights. (Paul McAllister) 8. 06:48 AM - Re: Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend (Pete Lawless) 9. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: OSH Attendees (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 10. 08:31 AM - Re: OSHKOSH Attendees Contact Info (Gary R Roberts) 11. 08:31 AM - Re: Re: OSH Attendees (Cliff Shaw) 12. 08:37 AM - Re: DOTH Swansea Friday (A B Milne) 13. 09:16 AM - Re: Maximum Range flights. (David Joyce) 14. 09:16 AM - Re: Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend (David Joyce) 15. 12:07 PM - Rectifier-Regulator 91X (Richard Holder) 16. 12:47 PM - Re: DOTH Swansea Friday (steve v.) 17. 01:12 PM - Re: Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend (Bryan Allsop) 18. 01:14 PM - Re: DOTH Swansea-Alasdair's first (Bryan Allsop) 19. 01:43 PM - Re: Maximum Range flights. (BEBERRY@aol.com) 20. 01:52 PM - Re: Re: OSH Attendees (kbcarpenter@comcast.net) 21. 02:01 PM - Re: Rectifier-Regulator 91X (BEBERRY@aol.com) 22. 02:04 PM - Re: Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend (Duncan McFadyean) 23. 02:20 PM - Re: Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend (Pete Lawless) 24. 02:29 PM - Re: OSH Attendees (danbish) 25. 02:39 PM - Re: Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend (Belinda Glover) 26. 03:55 PM - Re: PROBABLE SPAM> Re: Maximum Range flights. (Paul McAllister) 27. 04:24 PM - Re: Re: OSH Attendees (Garry) 28. 05:08 PM - Re: PROBABLE SPAM> Re: Maximum Range flights. (Kingsley Hurst) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:48 AM PST US From: Paddy Clarke Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Swansea Friday --> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke Hi All, I've had no internet connection for 3 weeks and no 'phone for a week, so I've been a bit out of touch. Now I'm back, it seems a bit quiet on the DOTH front. How about Swansea tomorrow Friday, the weather may be good enough for anyone coming from up north to fly straight over the mountains - 1200 ish - voucher in Pilot, Cheers, Paddy Do Not Archive Paddy Clarke Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:57 AM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: Re: Europa-List: PB 1 Propeller balancer I agree with William. Very easy to use. I followed their recommendation on where to mount the accellerometer - removed the vacuum pump and used its bolt holes. The instructions are good on how to use the various optional displays, etc. Particularly liked the frequency analyzer part, useful for better understanding of the cause(s) of any vibrations you will feel (e.g. prop. induced and/or low-frequency structural vibrations caused by engine/prop.) EAA Chapter Norway just bought this analyzer for use by its members. Regards, Svein Ground testing on-going ----- Original Message ----- From: William Mills To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 7:19 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: PB 1 Propeller balancer It gives excellent results and is easy to use. Mark has developed it on his and many other Europas over the past four years. Regards, William ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul McAllister To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 3:51 AM Subject: Europa-List: PB 1 Propeller balancer Hi All, Has anyone had any experience with the PB1Propeller balancer from Smart Avionics, good or bad ? Thanks, Paul ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:55 AM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: DOTH Swansea Friday --> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" Hi Paddy Do they have a working restaurant? It was very closed down last time I went there last autumn we could not even get a cup of tea. Pete ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:42:49 AM PST US From: Paddy Clarke Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH Swansea Friday --> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke Hi Pete, According to the Pilot entry the answer is yes - 0900-1600 Wed-Sun. But I give no guarantees! Cheers, Paddy On 13 Jul 2006, at 8:36, Pete Lawless wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" > > Hi Paddy > > Do they have a working restaurant? It was very closed down last > time I went > there last autumn we could not even get a cup of tea. > > Pete Do Not Archive Paddy Clarke Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:15:10 AM PST US From: "Belinda Glover" Subject: Europa-List: Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend Pete and Paddy, Dave Joyce has organised another fly in for Lundy on Sunday. It is a combined Devon Strut and Gloucester strut event. There will be at least 3 Europas going including Dave's and Tim Houlahan's and us. If you wanted to join us I am sure you are welcome, try Dave's email to let him know as he will PPR the group of failing that contact Lundy direct. Regards Gary Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:32 AM PST US From: "Jim Butcher" Subject: Europa-List: Re: OSH Attendees --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" Dan, Good idea making a list. I've cleaned it up here. For those adding their information, please use the most recent posting. How about if we suggest meeting each day at 11:30 am at the Homebuilders Headquarters Building, Box # 71, Grid # A4 on last year's convention map. > Dan Bish - Builder - 520.360.9747 - Tues thru Thurs > Jeff Roberts - Flying N128LJ Cell Phone 615-406-8651 Monday -T- Wednesday > Dave Miller C-FBZI, Chris Staines C-GFSY , cell 519-494-2741 Saturday and Sunday, driving in, staying at Marion College > Jan & Fran Volcic also indicate they will be driving in for same dates > Paul McAllister, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Flying if the weather is good driving if not. > Richard Schultz - N262AE 713.703.2156 Sunday to Saturday, flight line or the homebuilt camping area > Jim & Heather Butcher, N241BW flying or driving 269-599-0122 Tues - Sat Jim & Heather Butcher ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:50 AM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Europa-List: Maximum Range flights. --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" Hi all, I need to profess ignorance on this topic. My question has two parts. Firstly is the maximum endurance achieved at the best L/D speed ? Without getting Mr. Dykin's book out I seem to recall that was around 80 ~ 90 knots. For the second part of the question. Is my max range in a head wind situation achieved at the best L/D plus the head wind component ? So for example I wanted to get the most out of my tank of fuel and I had a head wind component of 20 knots, should I fly at the best L/D plus 20 knots. Paul ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:29 AM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend Hi Gary Nothing I have heard about Lundy would encourage me to land a mono wheel Europa there. The risks of a prop strike are just too high. Now a proper tail dragger would be a different matter. Regards Pete ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:51 AM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: OSH Attendees Jim and Lynne Puglise, Builders. Thursday through Sunday. Staying in the dorms. -------------- Original message -------------- > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" > > Dan, > > Good idea making a list. I've cleaned it up here. For those adding their > information, please use the most recent posting. > How about if we suggest meeting each day at 11:30 am at the Homebuilders > Headquarters Building, Box # 71, Grid # A4 on last year's convention map. > > > Dan Bish - Builder - 520.360.9747 - Tues thru Thurs > > Jeff Roberts - Flying N128LJ Cell Phone 615-406-8651 Monday -T- Wednesday > > Dave Miller C-FBZI, Chris Staines C-GFSY , cell 519-494-2741 Saturday and > Sunday, driving in, staying at Marion College > > Jan & Fran Volcic also indicate they will be driving in for same dates > > Paul McAllister, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Flying if the weather is > good driving if not. > > Richard Schultz - N262AE 713.703.2156 Sunday to Saturday, flight line or > the homebuilt camping area > > Jim & Heather Butcher, N241BW flying or driving 269-599-0122 Tues - Sat > > > Jim & Heather Butcher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Jim and Lynne Puglise, Builders.  Thursday through Sunday.  Staying in the dorms.
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From: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>

> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher"
>
> Dan,
>
> Good idea making a list. I've cleaned it up here. For those adding their
> information, please use the most recent posting.
> How about if we suggest meeting each day at 11:30 am at the Homebuilders
> Headquarters Building, Box # 71, Grid # A4 on last year's convention map.
>
> > Dan Bish - Builder - 520.360.9747 - Tues thru Thurs
> > Jeff Roberts - Flying N128LJ Cell Phone 615-406-8651 Monday -T- Wednesday
> > Dave Miller C-FBZI, Chris Staines C-GFSY , cell 519-494-2741 Saturday and
> Sunday, driving in, staying at Marion College
> > Jan & Fran Volcic also indicate they will be driving in for same d RONICS ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:55 AM PST US From: Gary R Roberts Subject: Re: Europa-List: OSHKOSH Attendees Contact Info --> Europa-List message posted by: Gary R Roberts On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:08:59 +0300 "danbish" writes: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "danbish" > > Hi Jim, > > Thanks for the info on the forum. I'm going to be at OSH starting > Tuesday but unfortunately will be leaving Friday morning. Since this > is my first time going, I want to see as many Europas as possible. > And because they'll probably be parked all over hell's half acre, I > was wondering if we could start a list of contact info of flyers and > builders. So I'll start it off and those attending can respond to > this tread. Add your name to the bottom of the list where shown; > that way just one page need be printed to take with. > >> Dan Bish - Builder - 520.360.9747 - Tues thru Thurs Gary R. Roberts - Builder - 520.307.7231 - Tues thru Thurs > [b:ff171ba6fd]>>> Reply and stick your name an similar contact info > here <<<[/b:ff171ba6fd] > ---------------- > Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:56 AM PST US From: "Cliff Shaw" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: OSH Attendees How about if we suggest meeting each day at 11:30 am at the Homebuilders Headquarters Building, Box # 71, Grid # A4 on last year's convention map. 1) Dan Bish - Builder - 520.360.9747 - Tues thru Thurs 2) Jeff Roberts - Flying N128LJ Cell Phone 615-406-8651 Monday -T- Wednesday 3) Dave Miller C-FBZI, Chris Staines C-GFSY , cell 519-494-2741 Saturday and Sunday, driving in, staying at Marion College 4) Jan & Fran Volcic also indicate they will be driving in for same dates 5) Paul McAllister, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Flying if the weather is good driving if not. 6) Richard Schultz - N262AE 713.703.2156 Sunday to Saturday, flight line or the homebuilt camping area 7) Jim & Heather Butcher, N241BW flying or driving 269-599-0122 Tues - Sat 8) Cliff and Betty Shaw, N229WC Flying from Seattle, all week 425-478-3233 Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:15 AM PST US From: A B Milne Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH Swansea Friday --> Europa-List message posted by: A B Milne Count me in please as a new DOTH 'member'. Intention is to get there about noon. Yours, Alasdair Milne G-CBYN Tri Gear Brimpton. Quoting Paddy Clarke : > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke > > Hi All, > I've had no internet connection for 3 weeks and no 'phone for a week, > so I've been a bit out of touch. Now I'm back, it seems a bit quiet > on the DOTH front. How about Swansea tomorrow Friday, the weather may > be good enough for anyone coming from up north to fly straight over > the mountains - 1200 ish - voucher in Pilot, > Cheers, Paddy > Do Not Archive > > > Paddy Clarke > > Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:46 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Maximum Range flights. --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" Paul, In gliding I was brought up on the notion of adding 1/2 the headwind component to the best glide angle speed, although for high winds (amounting to a major proportion of the best still air glide angle speed), the best addition is nearer 3/4 wind speed. Quite how you extrapolate that to power flying is a different matter all together! My copy of Darrol Stinton's book says that for piston engined planes the optimal range is very close to best L/D speed, although curiously rather different for jet planes. It's easy enough to work out the best L/D speed with the prop idling, but it must be something quite different without the drag of the prop. Fuel flow tests I helped William Mills do on his Classic 912S at 7000 ft showed Nm/litre dropping progressively from 8.2 at 100 kts to 7.3 at 130 kts. In my own 914 XS I once accompanied a 90 kt plane to Le Touquet and back and barely seemed to use any fuel at all, although it did seem to take an awful long time to get there! Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:08 PM > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" > > Hi all, > > I need to profess ignorance on this topic. My question has two parts. > Firstly is the maximum endurance achieved at the best L/D speed ? Without > getting Mr. Dykin's book out I seem to recall that was around 80 ~ 90 knots. > > For the second part of the question. Is my max range in a head wind > situation achieved at the best L/D plus the head wind component ? So for > example I wanted to get the most out of my tank of fuel and I had a head > wind component of 20 knots, should I fly at the best L/D plus 20 knots. > > Paul > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Doctors.net.uk education: totally independent, totally free. > http://www.doctors.net.uk/education > _______________________________________________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:46 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" Peter, been there several times in mine, with other monos too. Never a sniff of concern for the prop. In fact I think that Lundy was designed for the Europa mono & vice-versa! Much easier than Bill Wynne's strip. Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:46 PM > Hi Gary > > > Nothing I have heard about Lundy would encourage me to land a mono wheel > Europa there. The risks of a prop strike are just too high. Now a proper > tail dragger would be a different matter. > > > Regards > > > Pete > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Doctors.net.uk education: totally independent, totally free. > http://www.doctors.net.uk/education > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:07:46 PM PST US From: Richard Holder Subject: Europa-List: Rectifier-Regulator 91X --> Europa-List message posted by: Richard Holder Hi guys Has anyone : Bought/acquired a rectifier-regulator (RR) in the last year AND Fitted it AND has an analogue ammeter AND used the plane This could be a replacement RR or the original supplied with the engine. Does your ammeter oscillate above 4600 rpm ? If so how much ? (at 4600 and at 5700) Whether it does oscillate or not I would appreciate knowing the date it was made. (It is stamped on the RR case in the form 0105 for January 2005. TIA Richard Holder G-OWWW High Cross ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:44 PM PST US From: "steve v." Subject: Europa-List: RE: DOTH Swansea Friday --> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." Hi , have you an approx. ETA as i live only a few miles from Swansea & would like to call in when you arrive , steve vestuti #573 ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:37 PM PST US From: "Bryan Allsop" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend 14 Hantone HillHi Pete, Please explain! Bryan Allsop ----- Original Message ----- From: Pete Lawless To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:46 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend Hi Gary Nothing I have heard about Lundy would encourage me to land a mono wheel Europa there. The risks of a prop strike are just too high. Now a proper tail dragger would be a different matter. Regards Pete ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:03 PM PST US From: "Bryan Allsop" Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH Swansea-Alasdair's first --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop" Enjoy the trip Alasdair. See you there. Bryan G BYSA XS Mono. Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 4:36 PM > --> Europa-List message posted by: A B Milne > > Count me in please as a new DOTH 'member'. Intention is to get there > about > noon. > > Yours, > > Alasdair Milne G-CBYN Tri Gear Brimpton. > > > Quoting Paddy Clarke : > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke >> >> Hi All, >> I've had no internet connection for 3 weeks and no 'phone for a week, >> so I've been a bit out of touch. Now I'm back, it seems a bit quiet >> on the DOTH front. How about Swansea tomorrow Friday, the weather may >> be good enough for anyone coming from up north to fly straight over >> the mountains - 1200 ish - voucher in Pilot, >> Cheers, Paddy >> Do Not Archive >> >> >> Paddy Clarke >> >> Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:24 PM PST US From: BEBERRY@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Maximum Range flights. Roughly speaking, for most aircraft, the best endurance speed is about 80% of best range speed. Patrick ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:52:39 PM PST US From: kbcarpenter@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: OSH Attendees Ken Carpenter N9XS, driving. There Monday to Sunday. Fairfield Inn. -------------- Original message -------------- Jim and Lynne Puglise, Builders. Thursday through Sunday. Staying in the dorms. -------------- Original message -------------- > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher" > > Dan, > > Good idea making a list. I've cleaned it up here. For those adding their > information, please use the most recent posting. > How about if we suggest meeting each day at 11:30 am at the Homebuilders > Headquarters Building, Box # 71, Grid # A4 on last year's convention map. > > > Dan Bish - Builder - 520.360.9747 - Tues thru Thurs > > Jeff Roberts - Flying N128LJ Cell Phone 615-406-8651 Monday -T- Wednesday > > Dave Miller C-FBZI, Chris Staines C-GFSY , cell 519-494-2741 Saturday and > Sunday, driving in, staying at Marion College > > Jan & Fran Volcic also indicate they will be driving in for same d RONICS
Ken Carpenter N9XS, driving. There Monday to Sunday. Fairfield Inn.
 
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Jim and Lynne Puglise, Builders.  Thursday through Sunday.  Staying in the dorms.
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From: "Jim Butcher" <europa@triton.net>

> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jim Butcher"
>
> Dan,
>
> Good idea making a list. I've cleaned it up here. For those adding their
> information, please use the most recent posting.
> How about if we suggest meeting each day at 11:30 am at the Homebuilders
> Headquarters Building, Box # 71, Grid # A4 on last year's convention map.
>
> > Dan Bish - Builder - 520.360.9747 - Tues thru Thurs
> > Jeff Roberts - Flying N128LJ Cell Phone 615-406-8651 Monday -T- Wednesday
> > Dave Miller C-FBZI, Chris Staines C-GFSY , cell 519-494-2741 Saturday and
> Sunday, driving in, staying at Marion College
> > Jan & Fran Volcic also indicate they will be driving in for same d RONICS
________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:01:01 PM PST US From: BEBERRY@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rectifier-Regulator 91X No, but I would be interested to hear if you are having problems with the regulator. I have an indicated nil charge and (referring to the wiring diagram) have only 5 connections to attach to the 6 spade connectors on the regulator. Much investigation has failed to find the missing wire. Has anyone come across this strange anomaly? Patrick ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:04 PM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend 14 Hantone Hill<> Hear Hear! Duncan McF do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Pete Lawless To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:46 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend Hi Gary Nothing I have heard about Lundy would encourage me to land a mono wheel Europa there. The risks of a prop strike are just too high. Now a proper tail dragger would be a different matter. Regards Pete ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:36 PM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend Evening Bryan Well I am based on hearsay from others who have been there, but if you remember the accident stats from last year (or was it the previous year?) there were 2 aeroplanes badly damaged, one of which I think caught fire. The latest information I have is from a mate who visited a few weeks ago, he described it as very rough with rocks sticking through the surface. It only needs a combination of a slight bounce combined with a protruding rock either under the tail wheel or under the prop and there you have the making of a problem. Now the thought of dealing with a replacement prop on Lundy just does not appeal to me - especially as my prop is NSI and any replacement blades, if indeed they can still be got, are likely to take months to arrive. Meanwhile, I would be faced with an aeroplane tied down, in the open, on a rock in the Bristol Channel. It is simply not a risk I am prepared to take. Now if I still had my Cub I would not hesitate, plenty of prop clearance with the tail down. Regards Pete Hi Pete, Please explain! Bryan Allsop ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:46 PM weekend Hi Gary Nothing I have heard about Lundy would encourage me to land a mono wheel Europa there. The risks of a prop strike are just too high. Now a proper tail dragger would be a different matter. Regards Pete ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:51 PM PST US From: "danbish" Subject: Europa-List: RE: OSH Attendees --> Europa-List message posted by: "danbish" Jim, That sounds like a great idea. I'll send a final email Saturday the 22nd with a reminder and all of the contact info. Thanks, Dan ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:39:40 PM PST US From: "Belinda Glover" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gary McKirdy's Europa flying-Lundy this weekend 14 Hantone HillPete, Interesting, are you saying you feel there is still a risk of a prop strike even if the Europa mono continues to drag its tail, ie tailwheel on the deck? Gary Hi Gary Nothing I have heard about Lundy would encourage me to land a mono wheel Europa there. The risks of a prop strike are just too high. Now a proper tail dragger would be a different matter. Regards Pete ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:59 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: RE: PROBABLE SPAM> Re: Europa-List: Maximum Range flights. Patrick, Being someone who is easily confused can you help me understand the difference between best endurance and best range. My interest is coming up with a way of determining the best speed to fly for a given head wind component that would yeild the maximum distance across the ground. Paul do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of BEBERRY@aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 3:39 PM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: PROBABLE SPAM> Re: Europa-List: Maximum Range flights. Roughly speaking, for most aircraft, the best endurance speed is about 80% of best range speed. Patrick ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:42 PM PST US From: "Garry" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: OSH Attendees Regretfully I'm not able to make Oshkosh this year, but Bob Berube and Russell Lepre will be there. Look them up at the Zenith / FlightCrafters booth and say hello to these old friends of Europa. Garry Stout 914 Tri, 450 hours ----- Original Message ----- From: Cliff Shaw To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 11:28 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: OSH Attendees How about if we suggest meeting each day at 11:30 am at the Homebuilders Headquarters Building, Box # 71, Grid # A4 on last year's convention map. 1) Dan Bish - Builder - 520.360.9747 - Tues thru Thurs 2) Jeff Roberts - Flying N128LJ Cell Phone 615-406-8651 Monday -T- Wednesday 3) Dave Miller C-FBZI, Chris Staines C-GFSY , cell 519-494-2741 Saturday and Sunday, driving in, staying at Marion College 4) Jan & Fran Volcic also indicate they will be driving in for same dates 5) Paul McAllister, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Flying if the weather is good driving if not. 6) Richard Schultz - N262AE 713.703.2156 Sunday to Saturday, flight line or the homebuilt camping area 7) Jim & Heather Butcher, N241BW flying or driving 269-599-0122 Tues - Sat 8) Cliff and Betty Shaw, N229WC Flying from Seattle, all week 425-478-3233 Cliff Shaw 1041 Euclid ave. Edmonds, WA 98020 425 776 5555 http://www.europaowners.org/WileE ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:15 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: RE: PROBABLE SPAM> Re: Europa-List: Maximum Range flights. Hello Paul, You said :- > Being someone who is easily confused can you help me understand the difference between best endurance and best range. "Best Endurance" is the maximum amount of TIME you can spend in the air. This would be accomplished at the minimum power (hence minimum fuel flow) necessary to sustain level flight. This is used for situations like carrying out a search when you want to stay in the air as long as possible but don't want to cover great distances. Wind has NO affect on Endurance. "Best Range" is the maximum "DISTANCE" you can fly under the prevailing wind conditions. > My interest is coming up with a way of determining the best speed to fly for a given head wind component that would yield the maximum distance across the ground. To achieve best "Range" when there is wind, one should slow down with a tailwind and speed up with a headwind. The question of course, is "how much" to slow down or speed up. If the figures are not published anywhere, I think it would be necessary to log fuel flows at all flight true airspeeds and then do the maths necessary to construct a graph. To try to make the point clearer, let's take a case to its logical extreme. Consider an aircraft with a 120 kts max speed and best L/D of 70 kts. If this aircraft flew at 70 kts into a 70 Kt headwind, its range would be zero because it would be stationary over the ground. Now if it flew at 120 kts, it would make headway at 50 kts GS and the range would depend on the amount of fuel it could carry. If it was to fly at 80 kts into the same 70 kt headwind, it would have a GS of 10 kts so would take five times as long to cover the same distance as if it was flying at 120 kts. Therefore, if it burns less than five times the amount of fuel at 120 kts as it does at 80 kts (it would want to!) then with a 70 kt headwind, it would achieve a much greater range flying at 120kts than 80 kts. Sorry Paul, I just typed the last paragraph before I realised you already understand the problem. Ah well, I'll leave it there anyway. Maybe somebody else can explain the best way to do the flight testing and how to draw the graphs so we can all learn. If I ever get flying myself, I will want the answers too! Best regards Kingsley