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1. 01:44 AM - Re: Trigear Flap Drive (G-IANI)
2. 03:37 AM - Re: > Re: Maximum Range flights. (A B Milne)
3. 06:53 AM - Re: Trigear Flap Drive (Alan Burrows)
4. 09:48 AM - Re: Europa classic altitude hold (William Mills)
5. 10:52 AM - OSH Attendees (=?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9mi_Guerner?=)
6. 10:52 AM - Re: Re: wiring PTT switches (Paul Stewart)
7. 07:41 PM - Re: Re: OSH Attendees (rehn@rockisland.com)
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| Subject: | Trigear Flap Drive |
G-IANI has the old (pre 2001) flap drive motor. Over the last two weeks
this has become first temperamental then stopped completely. The wiring
and switch all checked out fine and it started working again. This
lasted about 10 flap cycles. After this failure I removed the motor
cover and found the commutater and brushes oily and carbon covered.
Cleaning this up and replacing everything had it working again for about
10 cycles but it has now stopped again.
Has anyone had a similar experience?
If so how did you fix the problem? Is it practical to rebuild the
motor?
Can we still get spares for this motor or a replacement motor?
Does anyone have an unused old type flap motor spare.
If you have to fit the new flap drive are there any special problems
with this?
Any help would be appreciated as we would like to be flying in this good
weather.
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
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| Subject: | Re: Maximum Range flights. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: A B Milne <milneab@onetel.com>
There was a chap at the Europa Seminar in Camberley this year who I think has
the performance figures you seek for the Europa aerodynamics. He might
also be
the man to theorise on this subject.
To cut a long story short we met airside he expressing interest in the
Europa as
he had completed a dissertation on comparing wind tunnel tests on the Europa
wing against the Don Dykins design figures. I gave him a caby and put him in
touch with the Europa Club and hence the seminar appearance. He had a copy of
the dissertation complete with polar curves etc. in it. Then all you need is
the equivalent thrust / fuel figures!!!
He has completed his degree from Hatfield and was last heard of
training towards
a CPL at Blackbushe in April last. The name has escaped me but Don Dykins or
Dave Bossomworth might help.
Yours Alasdair Milne
Quoting BEBERRY@aol.com:
> Paul,
>
> I cannot quote exact fuigures for the Europa but as an example (which is
> not perfect as jet powered aircraft work to different parameters), I used to
> fly in Sea Vixens and the best speed for maximum endurance i.e. for
> the maximum
> time in the air regardless of the distance travelled, would be about 180
> knots.
>
> On the contrary, if you were going for the best range i.e. maximum distance
> flown for a given fuel load, then you would beetle along at about 330 knots.
> There is, as you will note, a big difference. The best range speed would
> not vary with differing winds. The difference is not so large with a piston
> engine, and you will not be concerned with max endurance - a case
> which would
> only arise, usually, in the military field where you may have to stay on CAP
> station for max time , for instance, waiting to intercept an incoming raid.
>
> One of the peculiarities of GA is that, unlike military flying, there are
> few, if any, tables to give best range and endurance speeds for differing
> heights, air temperatures etc. I know of no source for these but maybe the
> internet holds the answers somewhere!
>
> It would be interesting to work out some figures for oneself but this would
> entail a great deal of air time and expense - a job which used to be done for
> us by test pilots who would then issue a complete set of pilot's notes with
> all the info.
>
> Good job for you if you have the time and inclination!!
>
> Best wishes.
>
> Patrick
>
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| Subject: | Trigear Flap Drive |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Hi Ian
I had exactly the same problem with mine last month and decided to replace
the motor with the new type. Europa supply a fitting kit that allows you
to attach the new motor without any major problems(be sure to ask for this
kit,I didnt and had another week to wait before I could do the job). The
only thing is that you have to redrill the holes in the fuselage as the
new motor is slightly longer than the old type. Thats a bit fiddley, but
its only two holes. Just make sure you drill into the hard spot thats
built into the bottom of the fuselage. My new holes still came well within
the hard spot, so hopefully so will yours. Hope that helps.
Kind Regards
Alan
ps I'm still in Florida and its about 95 degrees here at the moment, hard
work but someone has to do it:-)
> G-IANI has the old (pre 2001) flap drive motor. Over the last two weeks
> this has become first temperamental then stopped completely. The wiring
> and switch all checked out fine and it started working again. This
> lasted about 10 flap cycles. After this failure I removed the motor
> cover and found the commutater and brushes oily and carbon covered.
> Cleaning this up and replacing everything had it working again for about
> 10 cycles but it has now stopped again.
>
>
> Has anyone had a similar experience?
>
> If so how did you fix the problem? Is it practical to rebuild the
> motor?
>
> Can we still get spares for this motor or a replacement motor?
>
> Does anyone have an unused old type flap motor spare.
>
> If you have to fit the new flap drive are there any special problems
> with this?
>
> Any help would be appreciated as we would like to be flying in this good
> weather.
>
> Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
> Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
> e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
> or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa classic altitude hold |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <william@wrmills.plus.com>
Some Europas have installed Eze-Trim, altitude hold, which is a small box of
electronics containing a pressure sensor that controls the elevator trim
tab, but I do not know how successful it is. I understand it is difficult
to set up in regard to speed and damping etc to stop hunting for the target
height.
Perhaps those who have fitted one could comment with their findings.
Regards,
William
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 12:39 PM
--> Europa-List message posted by: "mau11" <mau11@free.fr>
Hello all,
is there a builder experience of altitude hold installing on europa classic
?
Altrak or trio avionics.
Do you have photos and details.
Thank you
bientt,
mau11
mau11@free.fr
14/07/2006
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Hi all,
I will be on the Sagem Avionics booth #4023, building D, most of the time,
arriving Tuesday morning, leaving Friday morning. Europa builders/flyers mo
st welcome. See you there.
Remi Guerner
F-PGKL, XS S/N395 monowheel, 912S, Airmaster, 406 hours
1) Dan Bish - Builder - 520.360.9747 - Tues thru Thurs
2) Jeff Roberts - Flying N128LJ Cell Phone 615-406-8651 Monday -T-
Wednesday
3) Dave Miller C-FBZI, Chris Staines C-GFSY , cell 519-494-2741
Saturday and Sunday, driving in, staying at Marion College
4) Jan & Fran Volcic also indicate they will be driving in for same
dates
5) Paul McAllister, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Flying if the
weather is
good driving if not.
6) Richard Schultz - N262AE 713.703.2156 Sunday to Saturday, flight
line or
the homebuilt camping area
7) Jim & Heather Butcher, N241BW flying or driving 269-599-0122 Tues
- Sat
8) Cliff and Betty Shaw, N229WC Flying from Seattle, all week
425-478-3233
9) Remi Guerner, F-PGKL, Tuesday =93 Friday, Sagem Avionics booth #4
023, building D.
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| Subject: | Re: wiring PTT switches |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Fred and John
Thanks for the help.My confusion has come I now realise because I
have an old installation manual which does ask for a twisted pair of
wires at 2 turns per inch to the PTT switches. I will follow your
advice and look forward to the sound of silence.
Regards
Paul
G-GIDY
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| Subject: | Re: OSH Attendees |
--> Europa-List message posted by: rehn@rockisland.com
>HI ALL
Jerry & Margy 645XS flew last year driving this year. Will be there SUN
thru Wed.
Jerry
How about if we suggest meeting each day at 11:30 am at the Homebuilders
> Headquarters Building, Box # 71, Grid # A4 on last year's convention map.
>
> 1) Dan Bish - Builder - 520.360.9747 - Tues thru Thurs
> 2) Jeff Roberts - Flying N128LJ Cell Phone 615-406-8651 Monday -T-
> Wednesday
> 3) Dave Miller C-FBZI, Chris Staines C-GFSY , cell 519-494-2741 Saturday
> and Sunday, driving in, staying at Marion College
> 4) Jan & Fran Volcic also indicate they will be driving in for same
> dates
> 5) Paul McAllister, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Flying if the
> weather is
> good driving if not.
> 6) Richard Schultz - N262AE 713.703.2156 Sunday to Saturday, flight line
> or
> the homebuilt camping area
> 7) Jim & Heather Butcher, N241BW flying or driving 269-599-0122 Tues -
> Sat
> 8) Cliff and Betty Shaw, N229WC Flying from Seattle, all week
> 425-478-3233
>
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds, WA 98020
> 425 776 5555
> http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
>
>
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