---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/19/06: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:55 AM - Parts for Bing Carbs (nigel charles) 2. 05:03 AM - Re: Parts for Bing Carbs (Trevpond@aol.com) 3. 06:32 AM - Re: Parts for Bing Carbs (peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk) 4. 06:43 AM - GPS Interference (irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu) 5. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: OSH Attendees (William Mills) 6. 08:56 AM - Re: Parts for Bing Carbs (Simon Smith) 7. 10:02 AM - Re: Parts for Bing Carbs (BEBERRY@aol.com) 8. 10:24 AM - top of cooling duct 914 (Fergus Kyle) 9. 12:26 PM - Re: top of cooling duct 914 (Simon Smith) 10. 01:10 PM - Re: top of cooling duct 914 (Jos Okhuijsen) 11. 01:42 PM - Re: top of cooling duct 914 (BEBERRY@AOL.COM) 12. 02:27 PM - Re: Parts for Bing Carbs (Duncan McFadyean) 13. 02:27 PM - Re: Parts for Bing Carbs (Bill Henderson) 14. 02:59 PM - Re: Parts for Bing Carbs (Peter Rees) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:43 AM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: Europa-List: Parts for Bing Carbs Looking to longer term servicing I have been costing the rubber connectors which connect the carbs to the manifolds on the Rotax engines. In the UK these are an extortionate price of about 50UK pounds each. I checked the price in France and they were still about 50 Euros each. I recently spoke to the owner of a Banbi (which also uses the Rotax) and he says that these parts can be obtained much cheaper from BMW as they are used with Bing carbs on BMW motorcycles. He also said that the rubber diaphragms within the carbs are also much cheaper from BMW. Has anyone else got any suggestions on this? Nigel Charles ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:38 AM PST US From: Trevpond@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Parts for Bing Carbs Hi Nigel, Certainly sounds right, BMW motorcycles always used Bing Carbs. Trev Pond Kit 598 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:02 AM PST US From: peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk Subject: RE: Europa-List: Parts for Bing Carbs --> Europa-List message posted by: peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk We changed ours about 6 months ago - I read an article about how someones split due to ageing - the split put the carbs way out of balance and it could have got pretty nasty. Lockwood in the US recommend (from memory) and absolute maximum service life of 5 years. I looked around because, as you say, they're really expensive over here - you can get them cheaper in the US but you can't buy directly as Rotax limit where dealers are allowed to send good. By the time they've been posted to a friendly rotax user in the US and then posted on with the risk of the tax man putting his hand out on the way into the country, it just wasn't worth it - we just paid skydrive the silly amount of money (about 45gbp each plus the vat mans share) and they were here next day - really didn't seem worth lots of effort to save 20 or so. Peter ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:23 AM PST US From: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Subject: Europa-List: GPS Interference I think its pretty hard for a fan's brush noise at a couple of kHz to reach up to the Av band. Here's another possibility: Over time your ground connections are oxidizing and increasing resistance. The noise may well be due to normal radiation of digital circuit clock and switching. Check to see if there is a voltage greater than a few millivolse between both your radio and GPS ground pins to the main battery negative terminal. If there is, improve the connections, protect them and add copper to reduce path resistance. No oxidizing connections would include FastOns or solder, but ring terminals often rot. Ira N224XS ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:15 AM PST US From: "William Mills" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: OSH Attendees --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" All attending Osh Kosh, In case you are interested the Woodcomp Constant Speed Propeller is exhibiting this year on the SPORTAIR USA LC, Display stands 5 and 12. This propeller is a very good alternative to the Airmaster and Arplast CSPs and is commercially very attractive. Several are now flying on UK Europas with good results and the after-sales service is excellent. I hope you all enjoy the event. William Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 3:33 AM > --> Europa-List message posted by: rehn@rockisland.com > >>HI ALL > Jerry & Margy 645XS flew last year driving this year. Will be there SUN > thru Wed. > Jerry > > > How about if we suggest meeting each day at 11:30 am at the Homebuilders >> Headquarters Building, Box # 71, Grid # A4 on last year's convention map. >> >> 1) Dan Bish - Builder - 520.360.9747 - Tues thru Thurs >> 2) Jeff Roberts - Flying N128LJ Cell Phone 615-406-8651 Monday -T- >> Wednesday >> 3) Dave Miller C-FBZI, Chris Staines C-GFSY , cell 519-494-2741 >> Saturday >> and Sunday, driving in, staying at Marion College >> 4) Jan & Fran Volcic also indicate they will be driving in for same >> dates >> 5) Paul McAllister, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Flying if the >> weather is >> good driving if not. >> 6) Richard Schultz - N262AE 713.703.2156 Sunday to Saturday, flight >> line >> or >> the homebuilt camping area >> 7) Jim & Heather Butcher, N241BW flying or driving 269-599-0122 Tues - >> Sat >> 8) Cliff and Betty Shaw, N229WC Flying from Seattle, all week >> 425-478-3233 >> >> >> >> Cliff Shaw >> 1041 Euclid ave. >> Edmonds, WA 98020 >> 425 776 5555 >> http://www.europaowners.org/WileE >> >> > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:45 AM PST US From: "Simon Smith" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Parts for Bing Carbs See the ad on page 15 of the latest "Loop" Aerosport are selling them for =A323.38 (ex vat I assume). There is no mention of any rotax parts on their website though. Simon -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nigel charles Sent: 19 July 2006 12:47 Looking to longer term servicing I have been costing the rubber connectors which connect the carbs to the manifolds on the Rotax engines. In the UK these are an extortionate price of about 50UK pounds each. I checked the price in France and they were still about 50 Euros each. I recently spoke to the owner of a Banbi (which also uses the Rotax) and he says that these parts can be obtained much cheaper from BMW as they are used with Bing carbs on BMW motorcycles. He also said that the rubber diaphragms within the carbs are also much cheaper from BMW. Has anyone else got any suggestions on this? Nigel Charles ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:02:54 AM PST US From: BEBERRY@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Parts for Bing Carbs In a message dated 19/07/2006 16:59:08 GMT Daylight Time, jodel@nildram.co.uk writes: Looking to longer term servicing I have been costing the rubber connectors which connect the carbs to the manifolds on the Rotax engines. In the UK these are an extortionate price of about 50UK pounds each. I checked the price in France and they were still about 50 Euros each. I recently spoke to the owner of a Banbi (which also uses the Rotax) and he says that these parts can be obtained much cheaper from BMW as they are used with Bing carbs on BMW motorcycles. He also said that the rubber diaphragms within the carbs are also much cheaper from BMW. Has anyone else got any suggestions on this? And the Plugs! Patrick ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:15 AM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: top of cooling duct 914 --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" Cheers, I am looking at a square cutting on three sides with the usual crack control drill hole at each end. This +/-2inch cutting carries no infromation in the manual that I can find - but perhaps I've missed the reference. It would appear to permit access to the turbo control area further back OR provide cooling air to a certain facility. If you know of its purpose, or have divined same from superior research - and are able to take a moment to explain - I would appreciate the knowledge, as am about to finalise the fitting of the engine and its accessories. Much obliged in advance, Ferg Kyle Europa A064 914 Classic ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:26:47 PM PST US From: "Simon Smith" Subject: RE: Europa-List: top of cooling duct 914 --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" Ferg, If you are refering to the bendable flap about 6" down the cooling duct and on the lefthand side (looking rearwards), It should be bent down into the airflow to direct air up and around the turbocharger. The pictures on page 4-4 of the 914 manual( http://www.europa-aircraft.biz/pdfs/xs914%20may%2006.vp.pdf ) actually show a 912s hence the lack of the flap. If you look VERY carefully at the pictures on 4-6 & 4-7 you can just see the flap. Cheers Simon -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle Sent: 19 July 2006 18:24 --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" Cheers, I am looking at a square cutting on three sides with the usual crack control drill hole at each end. This +/-2inch cutting carries no infromation in the manual that I can find - but perhaps I've missed the reference. It would appear to permit access to the turbo control area further back OR provide cooling air to a certain facility. If you know of its purpose, or have divined same from superior research - and are able to take a moment to explain - I would appreciate the knowledge, as am about to finalise the fitting of the engine and its accessories. Much obliged in advance, Ferg Kyle Europa A064 914 Classic ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:20 PM PST US From: "Jos Okhuijsen" Subject: Re: Europa-List: top of cooling duct 914 --> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" There is a drawing ofit on page 4-1 issue 4 of the cutting, it reads "914 only" Probably for turbo cooling. Kind Regards, Jos Okhuijsen workshopcam http://www.okhuijsen.org/plane http:www.europaowners.org/kit600 mono xs, top on, gear in, tail wheel in, wings set, flapdrive in, tail closed, tailwheel in, tail top in, blue stuff filled, sanded and primed, fuel system in, doors done, windows in, sanding and filling the fuse and wings. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:55 PM PST US From: BEBERRY@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Europa-List: top of cooling duct 914 Ferg, On my 914 the only hole in the turbo box cover is to provide for a 2" cooling pipe for the voltage control unit. This is not square. Patrick ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:25 PM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Parts for Bing Carbs --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" The Rotax manual recommends replacement of all rubber components at 5 years. Mandatory on the certified version. Duncan McF ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:28 PM > --> Europa-List message posted by: peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk > > We changed ours about 6 months ago - I read an article about how someones > split due to ageing - the split put the carbs way out of balance and it > could > have got pretty nasty. Lockwood in the US recommend (from memory) and > absolute > maximum service life of 5 years. > > I looked around because, as you say, they're really expensive over here - > you can get them cheaper in the US but you can't buy directly as Rotax > limit > where dealers are allowed to send good. By the time they've been posted to > a friendly rotax user in the US and then posted on with the risk of the > tax > man putting his hand out on the way into the country, it just wasn't worth > it - we just paid skydrive the silly amount of money (about 45gbp each > plus > the vat mans share) and they were here next day - really didn't seem worth > lots of effort to save 20 or so. > > Peter > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:25 PM PST US From: "Bill Henderson" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Parts for Bing Carbs Watch Ebay. Someone sells a version of the conectors for $39US. Look like they are better quality than the much higher priced Rotax part. Bill A010 Monowheel Classic ----- Original Message ----- From: BEBERRY@aol.com To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:59 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Parts for Bing Carbs In a message dated 19/07/2006 16:59:08 GMT Daylight Time, jodel@nildram.co.uk writes: Looking to longer term servicing I have been costing the rubber connectors which connect the carbs to the manifolds on the Rotax engines. In the UK these are an extortionate price of about 50UK pounds each. I checked the price in France and they were still about 50 Euros each. I recently spoke to the owner of a Banbi (which also uses the Rotax) and he says that these parts can be obtained much cheaper from BMW as they are used with Bing carbs on BMW motorcycles. He also said that the rubber diaphragms within the carbs are also much cheaper from BMW. Has anyone else got any suggestions on this? And the Plugs! Patrick ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:17 PM PST US From: "Peter Rees" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Parts for Bing Carbs --> Europa-List message posted by: "Peter Rees" Hi Duncan The lockwood article was pretty strong in its recommendation to change them at 5 year intervals - especially the older types (like the ones we had) which don't have the sleeve over the tightening screw to prevent you from over tightening it. If you do this, it weakens the wall - If this cracks, you could loose all power from one side of the engine while the other side is generating full power - sounds like a good way to rip the engine from the mount and subsequent total loss of control - therefore sounded like 100 well spent as our engine is about 8 years + old and sat most of that time in unused. Changing all rubber parts - carb sockets, oil hoses, water hoses and fuel hoses cost us about 250 - do that every 5 years and you're looking at 1 a week. exclusive distribution rights in the UK which can only be good news (except for skydrive!). ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:24 PM > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" > > > The Rotax manual recommends replacement of all rubber components at 5 > years. > Mandatory on the certified version. > > Duncan McF > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:28 PM > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk >> >> We changed ours about 6 months ago - I read an article about how someones >> split due to ageing - the split put the carbs way out of balance and it >> could >> have got pretty nasty. Lockwood in the US recommend (from memory) and >> absolute >> maximum service life of 5 years. >> >> I looked around because, as you say, they're really expensive over here - >> you can get them cheaper in the US but you can't buy directly as Rotax >> limit >> where dealers are allowed to send good. By the time they've been posted >> to >> a friendly rotax user in the US and then posted on with the risk of the >> tax >> man putting his hand out on the way into the country, it just wasn't >> worth >> it - we just paid skydrive the silly amount of money (about 45gbp each >> plus >> the vat mans share) and they were here next day - really didn't seem >> worth >> lots of effort to save 20 or so. >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> >> Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! >> http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > >