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1. 12:05 AM - Re: mocal oil radiator (steve v.)
2. 12:30 AM - Re: Wing drop in the stall (Carl Pattinson)
3. 12:55 AM - Re: Wing drop in the stall (BEBERRY@aol.com)
4. 03:24 AM - Re: N40SH (A143) Flies (G-IANI)
5. 03:40 AM - Re: 914 Oil leak (G-IANI)
6. 03:56 AM - Re : Re: 914 Oil leak (Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr)
7. 04:39 AM - Re: 914 Oil leak (nigel charles)
8. 08:09 AM - Re: N40SH (A143) Flies (astills)
9. 01:52 PM - Re: N40SH (A143) Flies (Tony Krzyzewski)
10. 02:31 PM - Re: N40SH (A143) Flies (Rowland Carson)
11. 04:58 PM - Re: Re : Re: 914 Oil leak (Rman)
12. 05:14 PM - Matronics Email List Web Server Upgrade Tonight... (Matt Dralle)
13. 05:28 PM - Re: N40SH (A143) Flies (Karl Heindl)
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| Subject: | RE: mocal oil radiator |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
Hi Ferg, yes i used a 45deg oil cooler fitting on the port side ( its definitely
needed after lowering the oil cooler Mod.), i picked it up from a local hydraulic
supplier, it worked very well,
steve vestuti #573
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| Subject: | Re: Wing drop in the stall |
Hear hear Nev !!!!!
The fact is that many Europa owners are ex military/ professional
pilots. If there was a significant design fault/ problem we would have
heard by now.
Like any other manufactured aircraft, GA or Kitplane it needs to be test
flown to eliminate the bugs. Even commercial jets which are manufactured
to very fine tolerances will exhibit small differences in their flying
charcteristics.
The Europa record speaks for itself. Over 15 years in production ad over
1000 aircraft sold (ie: kits) and this accident is the FIRST one of it's
kind.
Dont bother investigating a problem that dosent exist. Just make sure
the aircraft is set up properly in the first place.
----- Original Message -----
From: NevEyre@aol.com
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing drop in the stall
In a message dated 29/07/2006 09:35:07 GMT Standard Time,
BEBERRY@aol.com writes:
I have never known a severe - or even comparatively slight wing drop
in the stall, power on or off, in GA aircraft so the apparent Europa
problem is worrying and needs some more in depth investigation.
Patrick
Hi Patrick,
There is no problem with the DESIGN of the Europa, but each individual
aircraft needs to be test flown, and individually set up with regard to
any stall strip fitment / adjustment.
For your information / peace of mind, I was involved with the test
flights of the Europa you have purchased, and although it may look like
a piece of s**t, it is very light, and true, and the stall [ or rather ,
lack of,] is one of the most benign I have experienced. Power on stalls
just do not happen, unless you are totally asleep, at full throttle, [
100 percent ] stick fully back, it just ''nods'' and maintains height. I
have flown a full circuit at Wombleton [ at 3000 ' ] at full power /
stick full aft, keep the ball in the middle and your eye on the
temps...... you could do that all day........ power off was equally a
non event, nose falls through 20 degrees / lose 50 feet.
Enjoy.......
Cheers,
Nev.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing drop in the stall |
Nev,
Grateful thanks for your message re G PUDS which has set my mind at rest. I
have had little opportunity to actually fly the aircraft since last year as
I have been away abroad a good deal of the time and have spent much time (and
money!) doing a complete renovation , including paint, Arplast prop,
complete new interior inc. purpose made seats, speed kit, etc. Now awaiting Pete
Jeffers to call and arrange inspection and Test flights.
Unfortunately, in the meantime my wife has suffered a severe injury which
will mean that she is unlikely to regain full use of her left arm and the
likeliehood of her being able to access and egress the a/c is slim. I may have
to
completely re-think our flying in the future so G PUDS may well appear on
the market in due course.
Best wishes,
Patrick
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| Subject: | N40SH (A143) Flies |
Nice to hear you are flying and good luck. Irene and I have just got to
55 hours on G-IANI (914 and Airmaster). I hope the comments below might
be helpful.
1) We have not had any CO problems. We have removable panels over the
two holes above the rudder plies. We also have a good seal on the
rudder pedal shafts where they pass through the foot wells. As far as
possible the cockpit is sealed from air entering in unwanted places.
This includes a sticky label over the hole in the throttle quadrant.
2) The flap tube slots (and possibly the elevator trim tab slots) cause
the whole of the rear of the aircraft behind the "D" panel to be above
cockpit pressure. Your " two through vents in the aft baggage bay D
panel" probably have air coming in from the rear REDUCING the flow
through the NACA vents. Try some wool tuffs on them. We are
experimenting with a vent in the "D" panel ducted to the fin closeout
(ie the area the rudder swings in). The area of the duct is 4 square
inches). The logic for this is that (Andy Draper and I) think this is
a low pressure area due to the venturi effect of the airflow over the
fin/rudder boundary. Subjectively this seems to work. Were before we
had little flow through the NACA vents below 100 Knots, we now have a
steady flow at all airspeeds. I have remove the eyeball vents we had
(area 2 square inches) and just left the open holes (about 4 square
inches). I want to try and get some pressure and flow reading with and
without the duct but have not yet had the opportunity. If you are
interested in this I can forward photos of what we have done.
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
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After 23 flying hours, G-IRON has delveloped and oil leak. After one
hours flying about a teaspoonfull of oil appears to have come from the
oil seal on the prop sfaft and then been thrown of the prop flange onto
the spinner backplate.
The aircraft was taken to Skydrive who replaced the oil front seal on
the prop shaft and checked the shaft. The engine was ground run for 10
minutes with no apparent oil loss. The next flight (again about 1 hour)
and the same oil leak occured.
The aircraft was again taken to Skydrive who replaced the gearbox case,
oilseal, front bearing and prop shaft. The engine was ground run for 10
minutes with no apparent oil loss. The next flight (again about 1 hour)
and the same oil leak occured again. At the moment Skydrive are unsure
why this has happened as they have never had a similar problem on some
2000 , 91x series, engines.
Has anyone got any ideas?
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----- Message d'origine -----
De: G-IANI <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
Objet: RE: Europa-List: 914 Oil leak
>
>
> After 23 flying hours, G-IRON has delveloped and oil leak. After one
> hours flying about a teaspoonfull of oil appears to have come from the
> oil seal on the prop sfaft and then been thrown of the prop flange
> ontothe spinner backplate.
>
>
> The aircraft was taken to Skydrive who replaced the oil front seal on
> the prop shaft and checked the shaft. The engine was ground run
> for 10
> minutes with no apparent oil loss. The next flight (again about 1
> hour)and the same oil leak occured.
>
> The aircraft was again taken to Skydrive who replaced the gearbox
> case,oilseal, front bearing and prop shaft. The engine was ground
> run for 10
> minutes with no apparent oil loss. The next flight (again about 1
> hour)and the same oil leak occured again. At the moment Skydrive
> are unsure
> why this has happened as they have never had a similar problem on some
> 2000 , 91x series, engines.
>
> Has anyone got any ideas?
>
>
Is everything correct with the breather and blowby ?
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
http://contrails.free.fr
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Hi Ian
You are sure it is an oil leak are you? I get a small smear on my top
cowl which I thought was oil. It turned out to be grease from the prop.
When servicing the prop the schedule calls for quite a lot of grease and
I think the excess gets squeezed out through the blade roots an ends up
on the cowl. This is particularly the case in hot weather when the
grease becomes thin and looks like oil. When I subsequently service the
prop the next time there is still plenty of grease there so perhaps we
are being encouraged to put more grease in than is required.
Nigel
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G-IANI
Sent: 31 July 2006 11:38
After 23 flying hours, G-IRON has delveloped and oil leak. After one
hours flying about a teaspoonfull of oil appears to have come from the
oil seal on the prop sfaft and then been thrown of the prop flange onto
the spinner backplate.
The aircraft was taken to Skydrive who replaced the oil front seal on
the prop shaft and checked the shaft. The engine was ground run for 10
minutes with no apparent oil loss. The next flight (again about 1 hour)
and the same oil leak occured.
The aircraft was again taken to Skydrive who replaced the gearbox case,
oilseal, front bearing and prop shaft. The engine was ground run for 10
minutes with no apparent oil loss. The next flight (again about 1 hour)
and the same oil leak occured again. At the moment Skydrive are unsure
why this has happened as they have never had a similar problem on some
2000 , 91x series, engines.
Has anyone got any ideas?
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| Subject: | N40SH (A143) Flies |
Steve,
Congratulations on your flights. I know its been a long time coming for
you and a lot of work.
I can tell from your comments that it was well worth it. Sorry about the
excitement from your engine
out but I have to lament that the Europa filters are not worth much. I
changed mine to 2" automotive
types that my friend Mark found for me. Fits just right under the seats
and a lot more filter surface. I
too have run my gas through 4-5 times and came up with not much. May have
to put a "Shaker" on it as
as per your obervations. I'll have to get over and see the finished
product before long. If your flying
over my section of town when you get your 40 flown off stop off at
Glendale for breakfast and I'll buy.
I've taken a hanger there now. Again...congratulations
Al Stills
N625Az
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| Subject: | N40SH (A143) Flies |
>>> Your " two through vents in the aft baggage bay D panel" probably
have air coming in from the rear REDUCING the flow through the NACA
vents.
Before coming to NZ, ZK-UBD flew in Australia and the builder had added
two vents in the 'D' into the aft area. In early flight testing it was
noted that CO was entering the cabin and after some experimenting it was
found that the problem was the two vents. When these were blocked off
the CO problem went away.
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: N40SH (A143) Flies |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2006-07-31 08:55 -0700 Steve Hagar wrote:
>N40SH with a 914 and an Airmaster prop took to the air at Gateway
>Airport under the capable and skillful hands of Bob Lindsay
Steve - congratulations!
Your full account of test flight experiences is most welcome.
For the record, please, what day was the first flight?
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: 914 Oil leak |
Gilles may be right on the money, here. If the breather is restricted,
oil will pass by the seals, new or not. That would be my first place to
look...
Jeff - Baby Blue
200 hours and just finished mod 71 and first annual...
Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr wrote:
> ----- Message d'origine ----- De: G-IANI <g-iani@ntlworld.com> Date:
> Lundi, Juillet 31, 2006 12:38 pm Objet: RE: Europa-List: 914 Oil leak
>
> >
> >
> > After 23 flying hours, G-IRON has delveloped and oil leak. After one
> > hours flying about a teaspoonfull of oil appears to have come from the
> > oil seal on the prop sfaft and then been thrown of the prop flange
> > ontothe spinner backplate.
> >
> >
> > The aircraft was taken to Skydrive who replaced the oil front seal on
> > the prop shaft and checked the shaft. The engine was ground run
> > for 10
> > minutes with no apparent oil loss. The next flight (again about 1
> > hour)and the same oil leak occured.
> >
> > The aircraft was again taken to Skydrive who replaced the gearbox
> > case,oilseal, front bearing and prop shaft. The engine was ground
> > run for 10
> > minutes with no apparent oil loss. The next flight (again about 1
> > hour)and the same oil leak occured again. At the moment Skydrive
> > are unsure
> > why this has happened as they have never had a similar problem on some
> > 2000 , 91x series, engines.
> >
> > Has anyone got any ideas?
> >
> >
>
> Is everything correct with the breather and blowby ?
>
> Regards,
>
> Gilles Thesee
>
> http://contrails.free.fr
>
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>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>
>
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| Subject: | Matronics Email List Web Server Upgrade Tonight... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
This evening I will be upgrading the Matronics Web Server hardware to a new Quad-processor
2.8Ghz Xeon system (yes, 4-physical CPUs!) with an Ultra 320 SCSI
Raid 5 disk system and 5GB of DDR2 RAM.
As with the older system, the new system will be running the latest version of
Redhat Linux. Most of the software configuration work is already done for the
migration, but I still have to sync all of the archive and forum data from the
old system to the new system. I am anticipating about 2 to 3 hours of downtime
for me to fully make the transition, although it could be considerable less
if everything goes according to plan.
The Matronics Webserver will be *UNavailable* from the Internet during the work,
and you will receive a time-out if you try to connect during the upgrade.
Email List Distribution will be *available* during the upgrade of the Web Server,
and List message distribution will function as normal.
This represents a significant performance upgrade for the Matronics Web Server
and you should notice nicely improved searching and surfing performance following
the upgrade!
Best regards,
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Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | N40SH (A143) Flies |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Karl Heindl" <kheindl@msn.com>
Tony,
I believe Ian is venting via scat hose all the way to an opening inthe
sternpost.
Karl
>From: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Europa-List: N40SH (A143) Flies
>Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:43:57 +1200
>
> >>> Your " two through vents in the aft baggage bay D panel" probably
>have air coming in from the rear REDUCING the flow through the NACA
>vents.
>
>Before coming to NZ, ZK-UBD flew in Australia and the builder had added
>two vents in the 'D' into the aft area. In early flight testing it was
>noted that CO was entering the cabin and after some experimenting it was
>found that the problem was the two vents. When these were blocked off
>the CO problem went away.
>
>Tony
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