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1. 12:46 AM - Re: Stalls and spins (William Mills)
2. 01:34 AM - Re: 912S engine vibration (Richard Iddon)
3. 02:06 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Filters (karelvranken)
4. 06:31 AM - Re: Oshkosh by air - return by Avis (steve v.)
5. 11:26 AM - L.A. to Oshkosh 2006 and back (Thomas Scherer)
6. 01:46 PM - Re: L.A. to Oshkosh 2006 and back (danbish)
7. 04:50 PM - New Incoming Message Size Limit Implemented... (Matt Dralle)
8. 05:15 PM - Re: L.A. to Oshkosh 2006 and back (Fred Klein)
9. 09:33 PM - Re: L.A. to Oshkosh 2006 and back (Thomas Scherer)
10. 10:48 PM - L.A. to Osh 06 and back (Ralph Hallett)
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| Subject: | Re: Stalls and spins |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <william@wrmills.plus.com>
David was referring to the "Smartass" fitted to my Europa, so you might be
interested in my view on its operation and safety aspect.
The strip I am using at present has trees right up to one end and power
lines at the other end, so when on the approach and climb-out my eyeballs
are right out on storks to make sure I am taking the best line with maximum
clearance and enough runway to stop.
On climb-out Helen tells me every few seconds what my airspeed is so that I
can hold it at the best climb-angle speed to clear the obstructions and on
the approach I set it to my target approach speed for the current conditions
and hold it at that while I negotiate the obstructions. Helen then tells me
if I am "fast", or "very fast" or "slow" or "very slow", but if I get it
right she just says "speed good" which is very comforting in difficult
conditions. Also when the speed is "good" the interval between Helen's
announcements is longer and when the speed is "slow" or "very slow" the
interval becomes much shorter to emphasise the urgency.
I have also found it to be very useful if I inadvertently stray into cloud,
because there is one less instrument to worry about and there is a little
more time to adjust the GPS or radio without losing the plot.
There is just an on/off/volume knob and a mode selection push-button, so it
occupies only about a square inch of panel space and the box of tricks
weighs only a few ounces and can be installed anywhere remotely. Having
fitted one, I can confirm that it is a great safety asset and I would no
longer be without one, difficult strips or not. Very many thanks to Mark
for his brilliant innovation.
Best wishes,
William
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 3:25 PM
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Willie, This for me underlines the benefit of Mark's Smartass system, as
> opposed to a stall warner. The Europa good weather approach speed of 60
> kts
> is some 20kts over the normal stall speed for my plane, and Mark's system
> will consequently give you 20 kts worth of warning if you are slowing,
> whereas the stall warner clicks in only 5kts or so ahead of trouble.
> Losing
> 5 or 10 kts due to windshear is commonplace in reasonable weather
> conditions, and although in ideal circumstances we are monitoring speed
> like
> hawks and will compensate before things have got too much out of line, it
> can be an entirely different kettle of fish if the workload is excessive -
> perhaps a very busy circuit with someone appearing to cut in front of you
> (typical rally scenario you might think!). In those sort of circumstances
> you may already have let things get a bit slow and low, and might without
> giving it full thought be still trying to make the nose point at the
> numbers, while mostly concentrating on the guy to starboard who is
> threatening to cut in. With the Smartass Mark's lovely wife will have
> already told you several times that you are too slow or much too slow, but
> without it, the windshear, the stall warner and the spin may all happen
> more
> or less simultaneously. That system incidentally lets you set the chosen
> approach speed very simply in the circuit, so that you can for instance
> set
> a higher speed if conditions are boisterous, 'fickle' or whatever.
> I should say that I don't have shares, nor yet a Smartass, but I
> have
> flown with one and plan to put one in when I redesign my panel.
> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 11:22 AM
>
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>> --> Europa-List message posted by: willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk
>>
>> It seems to me that everyone is right - it doesn't matter how you stay
> alert
>> to the possibility of one or both wings stalling, if you let them, so
>> long
>> as you really do stay alert and maintain a safe margin at all times.
>> Alert
>> is the operative word. I'm sure we have all been reminded by this tragedy
>> that stall/spin is a common killer and it could happen to any of us if we
>> let it.
>>
>> The one specific thing I'd like to share was an incident ages ago when I
>> stalled a Jodel from 30 feet due to windshear at Audley End (which can be
>> very fickle if the wind is coming straight over the top of the hill). One
>> moment I had an approach airspeed of 50kts, and the next it was 30 and I
>> was falling not flying. Fortunately that aircraft had loads of washout on
>> the wing so at least I came down the right way up.
>>
>> Willie Harrison
>> G-BZNY - about to get a dose of Mod 66 following breakage of gas strut
> attachment
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| Subject: | 912S engine vibration |
Kim,
My engine has done around 300 hours and I wasn't aware of the need to
service the gearbox at 200 hour intervals. All I can find on the Rotax
web site is SB-912-033 service bulletin which recommends inspecting the
gearbox at 600 hours if using avgas for more than 30% of the time. Can
you point me in the direction of the instructions for servicing the
gearbox?
Regards,
Richard.
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kim Prout
Sent: 06 August 2006 00:52
Hello Richard!
I noticed that the replies to your vibration inquiry included everything
external. My 912, at about 400 hours started developing a significant
vibration that drove me nuts until I sent in the propeller speed
reduction assembly in for service. Upon disassembly, I noticed that the
primary gear set from the crankshaft to the driving dog was worn.
Whatever frequency was associated with that apparently translated to low
frequency vibration output to the gearbox and engine. I replaced the
gear set in addition to the usual servicing of the gearbox and this made
the engine smooth again. An internal problem, not external. I don't know
how many hours you have on your Rotax and if you have serviced the
gearbox at the recommended 200 hour intervals but this can make a
significant difference and has proven out in other Europas with same
complaint.
Good Luck and ...
Happy Skies!
kp
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Filters |
Hello Ferg and all,
Here comes the thru story of the second filter. Mark Waite went with the
Europa demonstrator to Friedrichshafen for the Messe Aero 2003. There he
refulled often from a tank on wheels that was placed near the grass
runway where the demonstration flights toke place. This tank was an old
military object that certainly for years wasn't used before it served at
the Aero. So when I asked Mark to make a night stop at my home field
EBLE in Belgium when returning to England, he was pleased and we spend a
good moment togheter. He refulled and started in not very good wheather
so that he had to fly at 1000 feet agl or even lower. Then his filter
became clogged and he had to make an emergency landing in Ostend where
the filter was found full of brown debris. Mark told me that the last
refuelling at my place procured him a lot of fear.
Now, I knew better because we never had fuel or filter problems in our
club. If the tank in Friedrichshafen was as rusty inside as outside then
the reason for dark brown debris in the filter was easy to explain. Next
to this came the bulletin for a second filter and a lot of possible
arrangements. For me it is clear. You may add filters and bypasses as
much as you like, if you don't control what is poured in the funnel than
you never can be sure. The mini gascolator from Andair is aircraft
material and good for engines up to 150 hp. When using additionally the
fuel filter funnel from Smart Tech you may sleep on both ears like they
say in flemisch....until you tell me another story.
Karel Vranken, # 447 F-PKRL, final control before first flight on
september 7th.
---- Original Message -----
From: rlborger
To: Fergus Kyle ; europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 7:09 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuel Filters
Ferg,
I'd sure like to see pics of your setup.
I still have the old, original, parallel pump setup with the glass
filters in line between the fuel selector and the pumps. I'm not crazy
about the setup, but haven't been able to come up with what I believe is
a suitable alternative.
Right now, I'm thinking about adding a single large Anadir gascolator
in-line before the Tee to the glass filters and pumps. But I need to
mount it such that it's easily accessible for maintenance.
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
(85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in,
flap drive in, Mod 70 done. Baggage bay in. Working in - 24 Instrument
Panel, 25 Electrical, 28 Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail,
34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing. Airmaster arrived 29 Sep 05.
Seat arrived from Oregon Aero. Waiting for E04 interior kit. Preparing
for ROTAX 914 installation.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | RE: Oshkosh by air - return by Avis |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
Hi Richard, your problem sounds like fuel starvation, besides the parcialy blocked
fuel tank vent already mentioned, if you are using the factory rubber hoses
you may have a restricion on a tight radius , this could worsen at alt./low
temp.,
on four cylinder motorcycle engines, cracks or air leaks at the rubber
sockets connecting the outlet of the carberetors to the
inlet manifolds would CAUSE the RPM to INCREASE or still rev for
a few seconds after the throttle was retarded - the result of
uncontrolled air being sucked in to the chamber.
steve vestui #573
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| Subject: | L.A. to Oshkosh 2006 and back |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Thomas Scherer" <thomas@scherer.com>
This year my son Paul decided to fly to Oshkosh with me, so we chose a
direct route from Los Angeles to Albuquerque, Kansas and Southern Wisconsin
where we met up with Paul Mc Allister and his daughter Kristi as well as a
Long EZ flyer, Jim Price.
The trip to Wisconsin was flown with one landing for fuel.
Next morning we flew three planes in formation into Ripon - Fisk - Oshkosh
and spent three gorgeous days in Oshkosh, sleeping under the wings. On the
way in - right over Fisk I called an engine failure to the formation and
while you'd normally pull up to gain altitude and get to optimum gliding
speed, I chose to push down away from the formation. Switching to reserve
quickly fixed the engine failure (at 1800 ft it ought to ...) and we
continued straight in for a landing on 36 right. Next time I will not only
fill the aux tanks with fuel but also pump over into the main tank.
On the last day in KOSH I asked my son where he would like to visit on the
way back and he said "the Bahamas". Two days later we were in Marsh Harbour
on the Abaco Island and went snorkeling.
The return flight took us through Tallahassee, Florida then El Paso Texas
and a safe landing home yesterday. This trip has added 60 hours to the now
840 hours of flying in my Europa. The Rotax 912 has never missed a beat nor
has the Europa ever shown any malign behaviour. She is a true Magic Carpet.
Looking forward to meeting some of you at our local fly-in "Copperstate"
later this year.
fly safe,
<Thomas, N81EU>
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| Subject: | RE: L.A. to Oshkosh 2006 and back |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "danbish" <n914rb@earthlink.net>
Thomas,
Great meeting you and your son in OSH and seeing your plane. Your travels are giving
builders like me the inspiration needed to get finished.
Gary came over yesterday to help me set the wings (2.5 deg. exact!) and today I
install the support bar and maybe the flap control rod depending on time. I bought
my prop at OSH and have just found a cowl so all I need to source is the
rest of the FWF kit and the panel, which I'm real close on.
So keep us builders in mind as you're out flyin' about. We're right behind you!
See you at Copperstate,
Dan
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| Subject: | New Incoming Message Size Limit Implemented... |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Due to a number of requests to limit the size of incoming posts to the Lists because
of the recently added enclosure feature, I have add a new filter that will
limit the total size of any given message posted to the List. I have initially
set the limit to 2MB
and we'll see how everyone likes that.
If a member attempts to post a message that is greater than the set limit, they
will receive an email back indicating that their message wasn't posted to the
List and why. Also included in the message will be the current size limit and
how large their message
was.
Some might say that 2MB is still too large, but its a place to start...
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Re: L.A. to Oshkosh 2006 and back |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
On Sunday, August 6, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Thomas Scherer wrote:
> This trip has added 60 hours to the now 840 hours of flying in my
> Europa. The Rotax 912 has never missed a beat nor has the Europa ever
> shown any malign behaviour.
Thomas,
Thank you for the inspiring description of your recent trip; I've also
enjoyed your website writing and pixs of your globe-girdling
adventures...my hat is off to you.
I'm particularly taken with your satisfactory experience with your
Rotax, having become a Rotax-skeptic while reading accounts of various
problems other Europa owners have had; readers of this forum know me
for my enthusiasm for Alex Bowman's 130 hp VTEC Honda installation.
How do you account for the excellent trouble-free performance of your
Rotax 912? (Or is it a 912S?) Can you describe your routine operation
and maintenance procedures and schedule? Also, can you give your max.
take off weight when you had your son and 2 aux. fuel tanks topped off?
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: L.A. to Oshkosh 2006 and back |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Thomas Scherer" <thomas@scherer.com>
Hi Fred,
thank you for your eMail. I'll have to update my website - I haven't even
added the story and pictures of last year's Oshkosh via Alaska...
My eMail was actually written with the intent to re-concentrate on the joys
of building and flying the Europa. Too many problems have been discussed at
times in a non-professional manner. Lots of cracked Rotax cores and stalls
lately. For a while I was actually thinking myself that the Europa does bite
and the Rotax might be a problem-ridden design. But it simply does not match
my own observations. I bought my Rotax 912 in 1995 and it has been in my
Europa Classic Trigear since.
I have in the entire time changed spark plugs twice and the rubber in the
carburators once. I truly belive it is a very solid, tried and honest
design. The same core is used on the 912, 912S and 914. I figure the 912
does have the most safety margin and least wear. It is imperative to keep it
cool (I have a dual cooler setup).
The Honda did impress me, too. It does have all the latest in technology
with fuel injection and electronic ignition. Yet it seems to be heavy and
the gearbox is not native to it. And 130 hp is a lot for this little
airplane. I always remind people of the Dykins design wing which is made for
120 kn and does perform poorly at 160 kn and higher.
You ask a good question with max take-off weight. I didn't give it much
attention... My son is 13 and weighs in at 85 lbs. I have 200 lbs and we had
70 liter in the main tank and 70 liter in aux tank at take-off. My plane was
weighed at 808 lbs. I guess we were over gross. Hm ..... we took off at 0400
am in the morning into cool air. It would not have worked on a hot Denver
afternoon I guess. Yet I recall take-off performance to be ok. Climb rate
was 450 ft/min which I mainly attribute to the newly installed cold-air feed
system.
I would recommend the Rotax wholeheartedly to anybody. Wouldn't have flown
the Oceans behind anyting else available to-day.
be well,
<Thomas>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: L.A. to Oshkosh 2006 and back
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
>
> On Sunday, August 6, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Thomas Scherer wrote:
>
>> This trip has added 60 hours to the now 840 hours of flying in my
>> Europa. The Rotax 912 has never missed a beat nor has the Europa ever
>> shown any malign behaviour.
>
> Thomas,
>
> Thank you for the inspiring description of your recent trip; I've also
> enjoyed your website writing and pixs of your globe-girdling
> adventures...my hat is off to you.
>
> I'm particularly taken with your satisfactory experience with your Rotax,
> having become a Rotax-skeptic while reading accounts of various problems
> other Europa owners have had; readers of this forum know me for my
> enthusiasm for Alex Bowman's 130 hp VTEC Honda installation.
>
> How do you account for the excellent trouble-free performance of your
> Rotax 912? (Or is it a 912S?) Can you describe your routine operation and
> maintenance procedures and schedule? Also, can you give your max. take off
> weight when you had your son and 2 aux. fuel tanks topped off?
>
> Fred
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | L.A. to Osh 06 and back |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Ralph Hallett <n100rh@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks Thomas, your story comes at the right time in my build.
Ralph
XS MG
914
reno, NV
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