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1. 02:08 AM - Re: Fuel supply reliability discussion (David Joyce)
2. 02:11 AM - Re: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video (Graham Singleton)
3. 02:13 AM - Re: Monowheel, gear warning or just GUMP? (Pete Lawless)
4. 04:48 AM - Re: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video (Wiilliam Daniell)
5. 05:14 AM - Re: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video (David Joyce)
6. 05:29 AM - Slip entry into incipient spin! ()
7. 05:47 AM - Re: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video (James)
8. 06:31 AM - Re: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video (William Mills)
9. 08:28 AM - Re: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video (steve v.)
10. 08:28 AM - Re: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video (Graham Singleton)
11. 12:03 PM - Europa Classic for sale (uk) (Jim Naylor)
12. 01:36 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 08/09/06 (Fergus Kyle)
13. 01:57 PM - firewall revisitted (Fergus Kyle)
14. 03:56 PM - Re: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video (Duncan McFadyean)
15. 04:37 PM - Re: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video (William Daniell)
16. 06:37 PM - 912 oil pressure help (William Daniell)
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Subject: | Re: Fuel supply reliability discussion |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
John, I would endorse the value of a low fuel pressure warning light. I have
a simple pressure switch set at 3 psi triggering a bright red light in front
of my nose. If I deliberately or inadvertently run the main tank dry it
lights up in time to switch over to reserve without the engine stopping.
I remember also a story of the early 914 company demonstrator having
fuel starvation related rough running due to fuel tank derived gunge in the
gascolator, which cleared well enough to get them home when the second
electric fuel pump was switched on - which suggests that a fuel pressure
alarm system would give reasonable notice of impending filter/gascolator
blockage to allow the extra pump to see you home.
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "John & Paddy Wigney" <johnwigney@alltel.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 8:45 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel supply reliability discussion
> Dear Europaphiles,
>
> There was some recent discussion regarding blocked fuel filters during
> early test flying on the Europa. Some of these stories have happy
> endings, others have resulted in accidents. Before I flew my plane in
> 2001, there had already been quite a lot of discussion on this same
> subject and I had concluded that if the Rotax 912/912S/914 is supplied
> with fuel, it will generally run without trouble. If one has dirty fuel
> for whatever reason, any filter system will block eventually. I
> therefore looked for a system which would (1) provide an alarm if there
> was a loss of fuel pressure at the carbs and (2) provide an alarm when I
> was low on fuel (4 gallons say).
>
> I am sure that there are many ways to achieve these objectives, but my
> installation is a Grand Rapids EIS with a fuel pressure sensor which is
> located between the engine mechanical pump and the carburetors. The
> pressure alarm is set at 0.5 psi. My fuel filter is an Andair GAS125
> mini gascolator and contrary to the experience of others, I have never
> found more than very minor trash in the bowl. I have no idea why I have
> seen so little trash and no slime when others have had significant
> stoppages. I installed the filter under the baggage bay shelf. I also
> have the fuel flow sensor and totaliser option which gives accurate
> indication of consumption and when the '4.0 gallons remaining' alarm
> goes off, I know I need to look for a fuel stop. I have tank level
> capacitance gauges so I can always cross check.
>
> In 500 hours, I have only had the fuel pressure alarm go off once
> (apparently due to an air bubble in the system after some fuel hose
> replacements - the problem cleared when I switched on the electric
> pump). I have never checked the interval from low fuel pressure alarm
> and lack of fuel to engine stop but I believe it is approximately 20
> seconds; this is quite short but at least it gives a brief warning of
> impending stop.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> N262WF, mono XS, 912S
> Mooresville, North Carolina
>
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Subject: | Re: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
William
It certainly isn't impossible to spin from a sideslip. The "outside"
wing is shielded by the fuselage so if speed gets too low the aircraft
will flick towards the outside wing. Did it in a Condor once.
Graham
William Mills wrote:
> I was instructed and have instructed these manoeuvres (in gliding)
> without any problem and I have the belief that it is impossible to
> enter a spin from crossed controls, because the inside wing is
> leading. Has anyone else been instructed or has instructed this as
> well, power or gliding?
> Best wishes,
> William
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Subject: | Monowheel, gear warning or just GUMP? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
--> Europa-List message posted by: "tony.bale@virgin.net"
--> <tony.bale@virgin.net>
< However, you would never slow down a mono enough to land without the gear
< / flaps down
Oh yes you can I have seen it done twice and heard of several other
occasions.
Pete
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Subject: | Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Wiilliam Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
I thought that in sideslip provided you had nose well below the horizon you
were safe - obviously not. What happened?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
Singleton
Sent: 10 August, 2006 04:13
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
--> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
William
It certainly isn't impossible to spin from a sideslip. The "outside"
wing is shielded by the fuselage so if speed gets too low the aircraft will
flick towards the outside wing. Did it in a Condor once.
Graham
William Mills wrote:
> I was instructed and have instructed these manoeuvres (in gliding)
> without any problem and I have the belief that it is impossible to
> enter a spin from crossed controls, because the inside wing is
> leading. Has anyone else been instructed or has instructed this as
> well, power or gliding?
> Best wishes,
> William
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Subject: | Re: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
William, For a gliding tug pilot landing over trees and slideslipping down
to round out level was pretty much routine, and I have naturally
slideslipped my Europa when appropriate (such as PFLs) I have to say that it
has always behaved impeccably and felt entirely comfortable in the
slideslip. There is a natural tendency for speed to build up in the slip
unless you go out of your way to prevent it and I think it is very unlikely
that someone would inadvertently stall in the process. Regards, David Joyce,
G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wiilliam Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Wiilliam Daniell"
<wdaniell@etb.net.co>
>
> I thought that in sideslip provided you had nose well below the horizon
you
> were safe - obviously not. What happened?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
> Singleton
> Sent: 10 August, 2006 04:13
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
> --> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>
> William
> It certainly isn't impossible to spin from a sideslip. The "outside"
> wing is shielded by the fuselage so if speed gets too low the aircraft
will
> flick towards the outside wing. Did it in a Condor once.
> Graham
>
> William Mills wrote:
>
> > I was instructed and have instructed these manoeuvres (in gliding)
> > without any problem and I have the belief that it is impossible to
> > enter a spin from crossed controls, because the inside wing is
> > leading. Has anyone else been instructed or has instructed this as
> > well, power or gliding?
> > Best wishes,
> > William
>
>
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Subject: | Slip entry into incipient spin! |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Hello William
"I have always been led to believe (and from my personal experience), that
a "slipping" turn, i.e. top rudder, is a safe manoeuvre"
"I have the belief that it is impossible to enter a spin from crossed
controls, because the inside wing is leading."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sorry, but you have the wrong belief!
http://www.apstraining.com/vid_clip9_incipient_spin.htm
Read article then scroll; down and view video.
Most of my flying experience was with a 1948 Cessna 170. Although it had
flaps, 30 degrees, it was the same sized hinged flaps as a Cessna 120 that
was too small for the 120! I used to slip a lot. With the Cessna, once you
had in full rudder, if you pulled too aft on the elevator, it would begin
to turn (the elevator acted as a rudder). I was very familiar with the
plane and would often practice making it do something undesirable at
altitude.Near the ground would limit only to a forward slip. Remember to
know your exact aircraft. I had static port in left fuse, so left slip
compared to right slip had quite different airspeed indication for same
attitude.
I am pretty sure the Extra has more rudder than my Cessna that allows more
aileron to correct?? I am pretty sure Europa has more rudder than my
Cessna??
Anyway, here ya go, top wing stalls first, and upside down ya go. The
aileron is down on right top wing keeping it high, so it has a greater
angle of attack compared to the left wing, once the right wing stalls, the
rudder seals the deal.
I don't think I will avoid slips with a Europa, just need to explore at
altitude. You will also notice that he is implementing more cross control
than a side slip (used to align with runway in a crosswind), more than a
forward slip (more dragemup than a side slip), but in fact making a
slipping turn (video will show what that is good for). If you look close
at video, I think if he were to kept the nose never above the horizon, it
has a plenty safe margin even making a slipping turn. If nose never got
above the horizon, and slip was limited to a forward slip to drag em up, I
don't think that is a problem with a Europa.
Other potential problems with slipping a Europa, if you slip for a long
time to the left (914 anyway) I don't think the cowl will like you when
exhaust is forced into it, and am wondering if you did it from a few
thousand feet, if carbon monoxide would be a problem making its way into
plane? Also if a monowheel, slipping to the left will allow left pilot to
more easily see runway, perhaps allowing a gear up landing. Long term
sideslip on some aeroplanes can uncover the fuel pick ups (especial with
wing tanks) allowing for a song to be played on final, "Silent Night".
Running on reserve on a Europa, if right side is reserve a long slip in
bumpy conditions could slosh reserve to left, and when you need to go
around and go nose up........ The 914 has a deviation of bank angle max.
limit of 40 degrees (owners manual page 10-2). If you are making a
coordinated turn with a 70 degree bank, the effective bank angle is zero.
Foward slip with a more than 40 degree bank angle will void your warrenty.
I don't have an hour on a Europa, so don't know if you could make it to 40
degrees in a slip.
Worth to have a look at all the TRAINING VIDEOS AND DISCUSSIONS and
TRAINING ARTICLES here:
http://www.apstraining.com/newsletterlist.htm
Read and view videos.
Please don't let any of this scare new or low time pilots from flying.
PLEASE DO scare all pilots into being proficient and well rehearsed and
familiar to not perform this stuff unintentional. Best way to know
aircraft is to see where bad stuff happens, do it at altitude and with a
experienced in type and maneuver instructor. If you get into trouble, what
to do about it to lose minimal altitude which can be quite surprising even
if recovery is performed faultless.
Be sure to have a look at inverted spin recovery:
http://www.apstraining.com/vid_clip10_inverted_spin_recovery.htm
Visual meaning to not push forward when recovering from spin.
Even if you don't go out and practice, bookmark in your computer and have
a look at Biennial
Ron Parigoris
Training 101
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Subject: | Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "James" <jthursby@tampabay.rr.com>
You are. It's when the nose comes up that you better watch out. The plane
will do some interesing things then. Make sure you have some spin training
and go try it out up above six or eight thousand feet. When I flew the
company planes I had wondered about this so on the urging of Clive Davidson
I took the mono out one day, climbed up high and proceded to manhandle it
around mock landing approaches to see it's (and my) limits. Full rudder
slips are a joy to see but if the windscreen isn't half or more full of
green you had better push it over. I found if you had the approach trimmed
hands off you were pushing a couple pounds of down elevator to maintain a
good/safe slip. I also found that if you did try something stupid with the
bank angle or rudder goosing it to half throttle would hold off the stall to
a much higher angle and increase your margins. (remember your power on
stalls?)
James T.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wiilliam
Daniell
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 7:47 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Wiilliam Daniell"
--> <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
I thought that in sideslip provided you had nose well below the horizon you
were safe - obviously not. What happened?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
Singleton
Sent: 10 August, 2006 04:13
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
--> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
William
It certainly isn't impossible to spin from a sideslip. The "outside"
wing is shielded by the fuselage so if speed gets too low the aircraft will
flick towards the outside wing. Did it in a Condor once. Graham
William Mills wrote:
> I was instructed and have instructed these manoeuvres (in gliding)
> without any problem and I have the belief that it is impossible to
> enter a spin from crossed controls, because the inside wing is
> leading. Has anyone else been instructed or has instructed this as
> well, power or gliding?
> Best wishes,
> William
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Subject: | Re: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <william@wrmills.plus.com>
William
You probably would be safe if the nose was kept low, but to maximise the
sink rate in a sideslip or slipping turn, the nose needs to be raised above
the horizon.
In a glider I suspect the wings are long enough and the fuselage slim enough
for the shielding effect (that Graham mentions) not to cause the trailing
wing to stall. I have intentionally abused gliders in both slipping turns
and sideslips (at a safe height) without experiencing any undesirable
results. However, in the case of the Europa with short wings and a
relatively large fuselage, I can appreciate Graham's point that it might tip
towards the trailing wing if the manoeuvre is taken to the extremes.
Although I have comfortably sideslipped my Europa on many occasions, when
too high on the approach, without any problems, I will have to do some
experimenting at a safe height, of course, to see what happens if I take it
to the extremes!
Hope that helps,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wiilliam Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Wiilliam Daniell"
> <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
>
> I thought that in sideslip provided you had nose well below the horizon
> you
> were safe - obviously not. What happened?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
> Singleton
> Sent: 10 August, 2006 04:13
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
> --> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>
> William
> It certainly isn't impossible to spin from a sideslip. The "outside"
> wing is shielded by the fuselage so if speed gets too low the aircraft
> will
> flick towards the outside wing. Did it in a Condor once.
> Graham
>
> William Mills wrote:
>
>> I was instructed and have instructed these manoeuvres (in gliding)
>> without any problem and I have the belief that it is impossible to
>> enter a spin from crossed controls, because the inside wing is
>> leading. Has anyone else been instructed or has instructed this as
>> well, power or gliding?
>> Best wishes,
>> William
>
>
>
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Subject: | RE: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
Excellent video & thanks for the link Ron,
I understand the entry clearly, but the recovery from
inverted is a little gray - can any one provide more detail?
My Europa XS is almost finished & i find these discussions
on stall spin maneuvers invaluable and interesting
----------------
Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/
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Subject: | Re: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Nose wasn't well below the horizon, I was exploring the envelope. Plenty
of height for recovery. This was in the days when I was gliding (and
towing gliders) We used to have a lot of confidence in our ability to
recover from a spin. Sometimes that confidence was unwise because
airplanes that are hard to spin are also hard to recover. No one told us
that!
Graham
Wiilliam Daniell wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Wiilliam Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
>
>I thought that in sideslip provided you had nose well below the horizon you
>were safe - obviously not. What happened?
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Europa Classic for sale (uk) |
Dari Saga has decided to sell his Classic mono due to his retirement,
and a globe trotting new life. He has asked me to sell it while he is
away on a 6-month trip to South America.
Briefly details:
Mono Classic
912 UL
Built 16/12/1998
TT Airframe 299
TT Engine 145
Skyforce colour map
Full panel
Radio
Xponder
And loads more
=A329000
Any one interested e-mail me off line for full details
jimnaylor.44@virgin.net
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Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 21 Msgs - 08/09/06 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
| Time: 10:13:11 PM PST US
| From: "William Mills" <william@wrmills.plus.com>
| Subject: Re: Europa-List: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video
|
| --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills"
<william@wrmills.plus.com>
|
| Ron and All,
| I can appreciate what happens in an uncoordinated turns when the A/C is
| "skidding", i.e. bottom rudder, but I have always been led to believe (and
| from my personal experience), that a "slipping" turn, i.e. top rudder, is
a
| safe manoeuvre and a good way to lose height rapidly. Also a straight
side
| slip, perhaps on finals to lose more height than flaps alone will
generate,
| i.e. crossed controls, is safe provided the nose is raised after the
| controls are crossed and lowered before the controls are centred. I was
| instructed and have instructed these manoeuvres (in gliding) without any
| problem and I have the belief that it is impossible to enter a spin from
| crossed controls, because the inside wing is leading. Has anyone else
been
| instructed or has instructed this as well, power or gliding?
| Best wishes,
| William
William,
What you say above is so, except in a turn. The true slip should
not be in a turn because the temptation is to either reduce outside rudder
or add inside rudder to make the nose rotate faster (when the manoeuvre is
not suffuicient to regain centreline soon enough). That's because the inner
wing is travelling slower than the outer (a turn) and then inside rudder
reduces it even further. It's the speed of each wing that's at the crux of
the problem. Crossing controls hides the appearance of the difference in
lift capability, particularly if stall characteristsic have not been
investigated or practised sufficiently.
Slip/skid is not for every aircraft - see the Cessna
handbook- - - .
Often the fuselage blanks the stab/elev, or the wing turbulence does the
same. Each machine is a compromise and it's vital to find out what ours
is....
Cheers,
Ferg
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Subject: | firewall revisitted |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
> Can anyone tell me what to seal gaps in the firewall with (Graham
> Singletons composite version) and where in the UK I might get some
Paul,
I used "FlameSafe" FS1900 Sealant, which is Intumescent and
elastomeric and several other big words but claims to be a 'Firestop'.
I stuck it on SS plate, on GraSing's firewall material and by itself and
stuck the blowtorch blue on it for 15 minutes. It didn't like it and turned
black then orange and glowed but didn't budge (well maybe one or two
particles departed). I took photos of the display for my inspector.
The stuff comes in a 10oz cartridge so needs a squeeze gun and
it's pretty rubbery anbd resistant to move, but it does jam nicely into
crevices samller that the hole you cut. It can be finished with a wet
spatula for looks and will harden in hours - overnight is good. For
inspectors and their ilk, I then finish it off with fireseal which is good
for 250deg and shines nicely. They know. You mustn't eat it, lick it or put
it in any waterway and it can cause cancer, and birth defects. It's too late
to avoid the latter anyway..
It is made byWR Grace & Co od Cambridge Maryland USA, part
#26871. "Visit our website at: www.graceconstruction.com or dial USA
866-333-3726 for technical assistance.
Ferg Kyle
Europa A064 914 Classic
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Subject: | Re: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't find sideslipping a Europa to be
a beneficial means of losing height on the approach. That is (in addition to
the fact that sink rate isn't increased by much), given the lack of
confidence in the ASI reading during a side slip, I always make sure to
speed up a bit. That means extra speed when coming out of the side slip and
(if it's a short strip) a missed approach as a consequence. Or if the height
control is needed further out on the approach, S-turns will do the job.
Co-ordinated of course!
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> William, For a gliding tug pilot landing over trees and slideslipping down
> to round out level was pretty much routine, and I have naturally
> slideslipped my Europa when appropriate (such as PFLs) I have to say that
> it
> has always behaved impeccably and felt entirely comfortable in the
> slideslip. There is a natural tendency for speed to build up in the slip
> unless you go out of your way to prevent it and I think it is very
> unlikely
> that someone would inadvertently stall in the process. Regards, David
> Joyce,
> G-XSDJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wiilliam Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:47 PM
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video
>
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>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Wiilliam Daniell"
> <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
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>> I thought that in sideslip provided you had nose well below the horizon
> you
>> were safe - obviously not. What happened?
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
>> Singleton
>> Sent: 10 August, 2006 04:13
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video
>>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
>> --> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
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>> William
>> It certainly isn't impossible to spin from a sideslip. The "outside"
>> wing is shielded by the fuselage so if speed gets too low the aircraft
> will
>> flick towards the outside wing. Did it in a Condor once.
>> Graham
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>> William Mills wrote:
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>> > I was instructed and have instructed these manoeuvres (in gliding)
>> > without any problem and I have the belief that it is impossible to
>> > enter a spin from crossed controls, because the inside wing is
>> > leading. Has anyone else been instructed or has instructed this as
>> > well, power or gliding?
>> > Best wishes,
>> > William
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Subject: | Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce
Sent: 10 August, 2006 07:14
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce"
--> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
William, For a gliding tug pilot landing over trees and slideslipping down
to round out level was pretty much routine, and I have naturally
slideslipped my Europa when appropriate (such as PFLs) I have to say that it
has always behaved impeccably and felt entirely comfortable in the
slideslip. There is a natural tendency for speed to build up in the slip
unless you go out of your way to prevent it and I think it is very unlikely
that someone would inadvertently stall in the process. Regards, David Joyce,
G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wiilliam Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Wiilliam Daniell"
<wdaniell@etb.net.co>
>
> I thought that in sideslip provided you had nose well below the horizon
you
> were safe - obviously not. What happened?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
> Singleton
> Sent: 10 August, 2006 04:13
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Skidded turn traffic pattern stall video
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton
> --> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>
> William
> It certainly isn't impossible to spin from a sideslip. The "outside"
> wing is shielded by the fuselage so if speed gets too low the aircraft
will
> flick towards the outside wing. Did it in a Condor once.
> Graham
>
> William Mills wrote:
>
> > I was instructed and have instructed these manoeuvres (in gliding)
> > without any problem and I have the belief that it is impossible to
> > enter a spin from crossed controls, because the inside wing is
> > leading. Has anyone else been instructed or has instructed this as
> > well, power or gliding?
> > Best wishes,
> > William
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Doctors.net.uk education: totally independent, totally free.
> http://www.doctors.net.uk/education
> _______________________________________________________________________
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Subject: | 912 oil pressure help |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
My 912 oil pressure is fine on start up then after 2-3 minutes drops to
under 2 bar and then after a further 3-4 minutes goes back up to normal and
behaves normally thereafter.
Any ideas?
Will
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