---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/20/06: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:22 AM - fuel connection (Paul Stewart) 2. 02:20 AM - AW: fuel connection (Ing. Gottfried Komaier) 3. 03:36 AM - Re: Wing Pip Pins (Steve Hagar) 4. 07:23 AM - Re:Wing Pip-Pins (rlborger) 5. 08:51 AM - PFA mods (Simon Smith) 6. 12:57 PM - Carb. heater block temp. (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 7. 04:23 PM - Re: Retro Fitting MG Wings (Graham Singleton) 8. 07:20 PM - Re: Retro Fitting MG Wings (Paul McAllister) 9. 07:51 PM - Re: Carb. heater block temp. (Tim Ward) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:22:39 AM PST US From: Paul Stewart Subject: Europa-List: fuel connection --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart Does anyone know if it is possible to get alternative banjo fittings for the 914 fuel connections? I was hoping to stay with AN fiitings throughout rather than the barbs installed on the engine. Regards Paul G-GIDY ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:20:40 AM PST US From: "Ing. Gottfried Komaier" Subject: AW: Europa-List: fuel connection --> Europa-List message posted by: "Ing. Gottfried Komaier" Paul, have a look into http://www.isa-racing.de/20061/Start.htm Chapter:"Leitungssysteme und Zubehr". The catalog is in German-Language, but pictures says more than words,... I hope this helps, Gottfried -----Ursprngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Paul Stewart Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. August 2006 10:23 An: europa-list@matronics.com Betreff: Europa-List: fuel connection --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart --> Does anyone know if it is possible to get alternative banjo fittings for the 914 fuel connections? I was hoping to stay with AN fiitings throughout rather than the barbs installed on the engine. Regards Paul G-GIDY ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:36:12 AM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wing Pip Pins Carr Lane manufacturing has or will fabricate any pip pin desired, Steve Hagar hagargs@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Schultz Sent: 8/19/2006 11:03:32 PM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Europa-List: Wing Pip Pins Is there a US source for the AVK BLS4R11N wing pip pins? I misplaced one during my recover efforts and am on the prowl for a local (quick) source I have tried to sort a match and the only thing close the company wants min order of 500. A few more then I currently need. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:18 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re:Wing Pip-Pins From: rlborger Richard, You asked: "Is there a US source for the AVK BLS4R11N wing pip pins? Is there a US source for the AVK BLS4R11N wing pip pins?" Yes, good old MaMaster-Carr right there in Houston. Go to their web site http://www.mcmaster.com/ . On the main page there is a section on "Fastening and Sealing." Under that paragraph is a listing called "Pins." Got to Pins and you should see the section on Quick-Release Pins. From there, it's just a matter of picking the proper pin style/ diameter/grip length, etc. Once you know what you want, you can order on-line or you can go there and visit them. Great flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done. Baggage bay in. Flaps & Main Gear complete. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing. Airmaster arrived 29 Sep 05. Seat arrived from Oregon Aero. Waiting for E04 interior kit. Preparing for ROTAX 914 installation. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:33 AM PST US From: "Simon Smith" Subject: Europa-List: PFA mods Hi all, Has anyone already got a mod number for adding a JPI FS450 and 2x Floscan 201's to a 914 Europa? Regards Simon ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:57:01 PM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: Europa-List: Carb. heater block temp. Having completed the ground testing and awaiting CAA inspection, I have time to contemplate on one observation made: The temp. indicator that came with Skydrive's carb. heater blocks for 912S shows block temp increasing as the CHT readings increase. When reaching 50 degr. C, the indicator flashes HHH (as it is supposed to do at this temp.). According to Skydrive's notes, the carb. heater block temp normally is between 20 and 50 degr. C. This is, I take it, in flight. Here are my questions to those already flying with this equipment: - Do the blocks cool down when airborne and operating the engine at normal flying loads, i.e. when the higher fuel volume evaporation cools the carburetors from the inside? Or does your temperature reading always stay below 50 degr. C even when taxiing on the ground? - Have you fitted any permanent restrictor in the branch-off tube to the carb. heater blocks, or fitted the flow control valve that Skydrive provides as an option, in order to keep the carb. heater block temp. in the range mentioned by Skydrive? Best regards, Svein A225 - now in Norway ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:17 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Retro Fitting MG Wings --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton Ralph Hallett wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: Ralph Hallett > > Jim, > I was really hoping you would get a response to your question. I'm > building the MG and don't have short wings at this time, but have > always wondered what the retro fit problems would be to add the short > wings. Hopefully someone will give you some feedback. Ralph > Reno, NV Ralph I think the factory missed a wonderful oportunity here. I would have designed the wing with bolt on tip extensions for gliding and semi short wings for cruising. Lots of gliders have this option. The original wings are not quite long enough for ideal cruise and climb performance, but then Ivan is still obsessed with scarumbatics. (he's scared me more than once >:o ) I prefer the more graceful aerobatics you have with long wings not the brute force and ignorance of stubby wing aeroplanes, Just my prejudice ;-) Graham ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:50 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Retro Fitting MG Wings Graham, I thought you might be interested in looking at some "quick and dirty" measurements I took. I looks like the wing is optimized for 120 knots. I still haven't figured out the best speed to fly for maximum range. Paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Graham Singleton Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 6:23 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Retro Fitting MG Wings --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton Ralph Hallett wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: Ralph Hallett > > Jim, > I was really hoping you would get a response to your question. I'm > building the MG and don't have short wings at this time, but have > always wondered what the retro fit problems would be to add the short > wings. Hopefully someone will give you some feedback. Ralph > Reno, NV Ralph I think the factory missed a wonderful oportunity here. I would have designed the wing with bolt on tip extensions for gliding and semi short wings for cruising. Lots of gliders have this option. The original wings are not quite long enough for ideal cruise and climb performance, but then Ivan is still obsessed with scarumbatics. (he's scared me more than once >:o ) I prefer the more graceful aerobatics you have with long wings not the brute force and ignorance of stubby wing aeroplanes, Just my prejudice ;-) Graham ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:11 PM PST US From: "Tim Ward" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Carb. heater block temp. Steve, I disconnected the temperature gauge as it came on above 50C degrees even when taxying. A higher 'ranged' gauge is required if needed at all. Now use it as an OAT located in the Air Plenum chamber. Never had a problem with the temperature of the blocks and yes, I suppose it does vary as the CHT varies. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand Ph +64 3 3515166 Mobile 021 0640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Sidsel & Svein Johnsen To: Europa List Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 7:56 AM Subject: Europa-List: Carb. heater block temp. Having completed the ground testing and awaiting CAA inspection, I have time to contemplate on one observation made: The temp. indicator that came with Skydrive's carb. heater blocks for 912S shows block temp increasing as the CHT readings increase. When reaching 50 degr. C, the indicator flashes HHH (as it is supposed to do at this temp.). According to Skydrive's notes, the carb. heater block temp normally is between 20 and 50 degr. C. This is, I take it, in flight. Here are my questions to those already flying with this equipment: - Do the blocks cool down when airborne and operating the engine at normal flying loads, i.e. when the higher fuel volume evaporation cools the carburetors from the inside? Or does your temperature reading always stay below 50 degr. C even when taxiing on the ground? - Have you fitted any permanent restrictor in the branch-off tube to the carb. heater blocks, or fitted the flow control valve that Skydrive provides as an option, in order to keep the carb. heater block temp. in the range mentioned by Skydrive? Best regards, Svein A225 - now in Norway