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1. 12:16 AM - Re: Stainless plate (MR PAUL MITCHELL)
2. 12:43 AM - Re: Stainless plate (MR PAUL MITCHELL)
3. 12:58 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 08/22/06 (paul atkinson)
4. 09:06 AM - Re: Stainless plate (steve v.)
5. 09:16 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 08/22/06 (steve v.)
6. 10:08 AM - Re: Strobe Light (Duncan McFadyean)
7. 11:54 AM - heavy wing (=?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9mi_Guerner?=)
8. 12:58 PM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 08/22/06 (Simon Smith)
9. 03:53 PM - Re: Crack prevention of fuse seams? (Rman)
10. 04:56 PM - Re: heavy wing (Graham Singleton)
11. 10:50 PM - Re: heavy wing (William Mills)
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Subject: | Re: Stainless plate |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "MR PAUL MITCHELL" <paul.mitchell2@homecall.co.uk>
Steve,
I had all my labels inc the stainless one made by RS Engraving of Aylesbury.
sales@srengraving.co.uk.
I do not have a phone no but they advertise in Popular Flying.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:15 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Stainless plate
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
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> Hi ,
> I would like to have made a small stainless plate with the aircraft reg.
> engraved and some other details, also , i need two alloy plates made
> one to fit on the top of the raised thottle moulding and the other
> to fit over the two finger brake levers to the right of the raised
> throttle
> moulding- not the factory finger brakes, if any one in the UK has a
> contact or engineering shop Tel No. it would be much appreciated,
>
> steve vestuti #573 trigear xs
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Subject: | Re: Stainless plate |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "MR PAUL MITCHELL" <paul.mitchell2@homecall.co.uk>
Sorry,
Should have read SR Engraving.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "MR PAUL MITCHELL" <paul.mitchell2@homecall.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stainless plate
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "MR PAUL MITCHELL"
> <paul.mitchell2@homecall.co.uk>
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> Steve,
> I had all my labels inc the stainless one made by RS Engraving of
> Aylesbury.
> sales@srengraving.co.uk.
> I do not have a phone no but they advertise in Popular Flying.
> Paul
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:15 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Stainless plate
>
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
>>
>> Hi ,
>> I would like to have made a small stainless plate with the aircraft reg.
>> engraved and some other details, also , i need two alloy plates made
>> one to fit on the top of the raised thottle moulding and the other
>> to fit over the two finger brake levers to the right of the raised
>> throttle
>> moulding- not the factory finger brakes, if any one in the UK has a
>> contact or engineering shop Tel No. it would be much appreciated,
>>
>> steve vestuti #573 trigear xs
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>> Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/
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>>
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Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 08/22/06 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "paul atkinson" <paul@theatkinsons.demon.co.uk>
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 07:56:45 +0100, Europa-List Digest Server
<europa-list@matronics.com> wrote:
> Time: 03:17:18 PM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: Stainless plate
> From: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
> Hi ,
> I would like to have made a small stainless plate with the aircraft reg.
> engraved and some other details, also , i need two alloy plates made
> one to fit on the top of the raised thottle moulding and the other
> to fit over the two finger brake levers to the right of the raised
> throttle
> moulding- not the factory finger brakes, if any one in the UK has a
> contact or engineering shop Tel No. it would be much appreciated,
> steve vestuti #573 trigear xs
> ----------------
> Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/
>
Steve
Go to any of those shops on the high street that do shoe repairs, key
cutting etc. I had throttle lever, brake and u/c plates together with the
stainless steel ident plate done for about UKP30.
Regards
Paul
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Subject: | RE: Stainless plate |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
Thanks Paul for the contact , i did'nt think of looking in the PFA Mag!
steve.
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Subject: | RE: Europa-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 08/22/06 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
Thanks Paul,
i'll also give that a try,
steve
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Subject: | Re: Strobe Light |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
The strobes sold by Airworld are Kuntzleman strobes, imported from the US.
Plus Pete Smoothy's mark-up!
Duncan Mcf.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Stewart" <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Strobe Light
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
>
> Paul
>
> I've not seen your plane but there is a company in the UK called airworld
> who supply teardrop shaped strobe systems - they may well have been at
> the PFA rally. Replacement lenses about 44 GBP I think.
> www.airworlduk.com
>
> regards
>
> Paul
> G-GIDY
>
>
> On 22 Aug 2006, at 03:02, Paul McAllister wrote:
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
>> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> When I was at the PFA rally in 2003 I purchased a nice tear drop shaped
>> strobe light which I installed on my fin.
>>
>> Unfortunately the cover either fell off or, more likely was
>> "appropriated"
>> at I fly in I went to last week. I'd like to buy another one, but I
>> can't
>> remember the suppler. If anyone could hazard a guess as to who the
>> suppler
>> was along with a WEB page I'd certainly appreciate it.
>>
>> Thanks, Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Hello all,
During my vacation in the french Alps, I had the following incident: after
take of from a rough mountain strip, I felt a strong roll tendency to the
right, just after having retracted the landing gear. The airplane was
controllable with a significant effort on the stick. I first thought I had
a control jamming but in fact there were no jamming, but only a heavy
wing feeling. Rolling to the left was very difficult. Looking at the
control surfaces, I could not see anything unusual. Reducing the airspeed
decreased the effort to keep the wings level. Cycling the landing gear /
flaps did not change the situation. I decided not to land on the closest
airstrip but instead fly to a bigger airfield were I new I could find help.
After half an hour of a stressful flight and a direct approach in order to
avoid turning left in the pattern, the landing was uneventful. On the
ground the controls were absolutely normal. I decided I would not take off
again without having checked the integrity of all the roll control
system. With the help of friends, we removed the wings so that I could
inspect all control rods, bellcranks, torque tubes, bearings and quick connect
system. We found absolutely nothing. We put the plane back together and off
I went. Everything was back to normal. I flew a
dozen times since that day without experiencing the problem again. What could have
caused this
heavy wing? I see one possibility: during the take off roll, a stone may have been
thrown by the main wheel or outrigger wheel and ended up in the left
outrigger mechanism or the left flap slot, therefore preventing the left
flap to fully retract and causing the airplane to roll to the right.
Cycling the gear did not dislodge the stone but the bump on landing did.
Has anyone experienced a similar problem ?
Remi Guerner
F-PGKL, XS S/N395 monowheel, 912S, Airmaster, 425 hours
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Subject: | RE: Europa-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 08/22/06 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" <jodel@nildram.co.uk>
Steve,
I used some SS plate that I had lying around and had it engraved at my local
shoe repair/key cutting place for 5. I know that other have used an offcut
from their firewall.
Just an idea
Simon
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve v.
Sent: 23 August 2006 17:16
Subject: Europa-List: RE: Europa-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 08/22/06
--> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
Thanks Paul,
i'll also give that a try,
steve
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Subject: | Re: Crack prevention of fuse seams? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rman <topglock@cox.net>
Ron,
Sorry for the late reply. I laid up a couple of layers of BID on the
fuse seams and one layer on the windscreens. Did the same on the wing
closures. Haven't had any problems at over 200 hours and feel a little
more secure than just trusting the miracle glue...
Jeff - Baby Blue
206 hours
rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
>What has worked for those flying to prevent cracking paint at:
>
>Fuse seam on the outside?
>
>Windscreen to fuse seam?
>
>The factory seam on the aft fuse that goes through tailspring inspection
>cover?
>
>Thx.
>Ron Parigoris
>
>
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Remi
If the roll was present with flaps/gear down, then that would indicate
right flap not fully down.
Flaps up indicates left flap not fully up.
What about the ailerons? Mud on the bottom surface of the right aileron?
Mud on the leading edge? Any ice about?
Graham
Rmi Guerner wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> During my vacation in the french Alps, I had the following incident: after
> take of from a rough mountain strip, I felt a strong roll tendency to the
> right, just after having retracted the landing gear. The airplane was
> controllable with a significant effort on the stick.
>
>
>
> Remi Guerner
>
> F-PGKL, XS S/N395 monowheel, 912S, Airmaster, 425 hours
>
>
>
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Remi,
I am not offering any suggestions, but I am intrigued as to your
description of the control surfaces looking normal. When you looked at
the control surfaces with the flaps up and with the heavy right wing,
were the ailerons in line with the flaps and the wing tips on both
wings, or was the right aileron slightly down and the left one up to
counteract the tendency to roll right?
With the flaps / wheel down for landing was the aircraft back in
balance?
If the left flap had not fully retracted, I would have thought the
aileron and flap would not have lined up, particularly on the left wing.
If it were a stone that had caused the problem, perhaps speed kit
fairings would have guarded the hinges and outrigger mechanisms against
that. I presume you have not fitted them?
Best wishes,
William
----- Original Message -----
From: R=C3=A9mi Guerner
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:52 PM
Subject: Europa-List: heavy wing
Hello all,
During my vacation in the french Alps, I had the following incident:
after
take of from a rough mountain strip, I felt a strong roll tendency to
the
right, just after having retracted the landing gear. The airplane was
controllable with a significant effort on the stick. I first thought I
had
a control jamming but in fact there were no jamming, but only a heavy
wing feeling. Rolling to the left was very difficult. Looking at the
control surfaces, I could not see anything unusual. Reducing the
airspeed
decreased the effort to keep the wings level. Cycling the landing gear
/
flaps did not change the situation. I decided not to land on the
closest
airstrip but instead fly to a bigger airfield were I new I could find
help.
After half an hour of a stressful flight and a direct approach in
order to
avoid turning left in the pattern, the landing was uneventful. On the
ground the controls were absolutely normal. I decided I would not take
off
again without having checked the integrity of all the roll control
system. With the help of friends, we removed the wings so that I could
inspect all control rods, bellcranks, torque tubes, bearings and quick
connect system. We found absolutely nothing. We put the plane back
together and off I went. Everything was back to normal. I flew a
dozen times since that day without experiencing the problem again.
What could have caused this
heavy wing? I see one possibility: during the take off roll, a stone
may have been
thrown by the main wheel or outrigger wheel and ended up in the left
outrigger mechanism or the left flap slot, therefore preventing the
left
flap to fully retract and causing the airplane to roll to the right.
Cycling the gear did not dislodge the stone but the bump on landing
did.
Has anyone experienced a similar problem ?
Remi Guerner
F-PGKL, XS S/N395 monowheel, 912S, Airmaster, 425 hours
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