---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/23/06: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:16 AM - Re: Stainless plate (MR PAUL MITCHELL) 2. 12:43 AM - Re: Stainless plate (MR PAUL MITCHELL) 3. 12:58 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 08/22/06 (paul atkinson) 4. 09:06 AM - Re: Stainless plate (steve v.) 5. 09:16 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 08/22/06 (steve v.) 6. 10:08 AM - Re: Strobe Light (Duncan McFadyean) 7. 11:54 AM - heavy wing (=?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9mi_Guerner?=) 8. 12:58 PM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 08/22/06 (Simon Smith) 9. 03:53 PM - Re: Crack prevention of fuse seams? (Rman) 10. 04:56 PM - Re: heavy wing (Graham Singleton) 11. 10:50 PM - Re: heavy wing (William Mills) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:14 AM PST US From: "MR PAUL MITCHELL" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stainless plate --> Europa-List message posted by: "MR PAUL MITCHELL" Steve, I had all my labels inc the stainless one made by RS Engraving of Aylesbury. sales@srengraving.co.uk. I do not have a phone no but they advertise in Popular Flying. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve v." Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:15 PM Subject: Europa-List: Stainless plate > --> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." > > Hi , > I would like to have made a small stainless plate with the aircraft reg. > engraved and some other details, also , i need two alloy plates made > one to fit on the top of the raised thottle moulding and the other > to fit over the two finger brake levers to the right of the raised > throttle > moulding- not the factory finger brakes, if any one in the UK has a > contact or engineering shop Tel No. it would be much appreciated, > > steve vestuti #573 trigear xs > ---------------- > Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:32 AM PST US From: "MR PAUL MITCHELL" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stainless plate --> Europa-List message posted by: "MR PAUL MITCHELL" Sorry, Should have read SR Engraving. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "MR PAUL MITCHELL" Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stainless plate > --> Europa-List message posted by: "MR PAUL MITCHELL" > > > Steve, > I had all my labels inc the stainless one made by RS Engraving of > Aylesbury. > sales@srengraving.co.uk. > I do not have a phone no but they advertise in Popular Flying. > Paul > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "steve v." > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:15 PM > Subject: Europa-List: Stainless plate > > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." >> >> Hi , >> I would like to have made a small stainless plate with the aircraft reg. >> engraved and some other details, also , i need two alloy plates made >> one to fit on the top of the raised thottle moulding and the other >> to fit over the two finger brake levers to the right of the raised >> throttle >> moulding- not the factory finger brakes, if any one in the UK has a >> contact or engineering shop Tel No. it would be much appreciated, >> >> steve vestuti #573 trigear xs >> ---------------- >> Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> > > > -- > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:58:53 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 08/22/06 From: "paul atkinson" --> Europa-List message posted by: "paul atkinson" On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 07:56:45 +0100, Europa-List Digest Server wrote: > Time: 03:17:18 PM PST US > Subject: Europa-List: Stainless plate > From: "steve v." > --> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." > Hi , > I would like to have made a small stainless plate with the aircraft reg. > engraved and some other details, also , i need two alloy plates made > one to fit on the top of the raised thottle moulding and the other > to fit over the two finger brake levers to the right of the raised > throttle > moulding- not the factory finger brakes, if any one in the UK has a > contact or engineering shop Tel No. it would be much appreciated, > steve vestuti #573 trigear xs > ---------------- > Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ > Steve Go to any of those shops on the high street that do shoe repairs, key cutting etc. I had throttle lever, brake and u/c plates together with the stainless steel ident plate done for about UKP30. Regards Paul ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:29 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: RE: Stainless plate From: "steve v." --> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." Thanks Paul for the contact , i did'nt think of looking in the PFA Mag! steve. ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:05 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: RE: Europa-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 08/22/06 From: "steve v." --> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." Thanks Paul, i'll also give that a try, steve ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:09 AM PST US From: "Duncan McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Strobe Light --> Europa-List message posted by: "Duncan McFadyean" The strobes sold by Airworld are Kuntzleman strobes, imported from the US. Plus Pete Smoothy's mark-up! Duncan Mcf. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Stewart" Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:48 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Strobe Light > --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart > > Paul > > I've not seen your plane but there is a company in the UK called airworld > who supply teardrop shaped strobe systems - they may well have been at > the PFA rally. Replacement lenses about 44 GBP I think. > www.airworlduk.com > > regards > > Paul > G-GIDY > > > On 22 Aug 2006, at 03:02, Paul McAllister wrote: > >> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> When I was at the PFA rally in 2003 I purchased a nice tear drop shaped >> strobe light which I installed on my fin. >> >> Unfortunately the cover either fell off or, more likely was >> "appropriated" >> at I fly in I went to last week. I'd like to buy another one, but I >> can't >> remember the suppler. If anyone could hazard a guess as to who the >> suppler >> was along with a WEB page I'd certainly appreciate it. >> >> Thanks, Paul >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:54:22 AM PST US From: =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9mi_Guerner?= Subject: Europa-List: heavy wing Hello all, During my vacation in the french Alps, I had the following incident: after take of from a rough mountain strip, I felt a strong roll tendency to the right, just after having retracted the landing gear. The airplane was controllable with a significant effort on the stick. I first thought I had a control jamming but in fact there were no jamming, but only a heavy wing feeling. Rolling to the left was very difficult. Looking at the control surfaces, I could not see anything unusual. Reducing the airspeed decreased the effort to keep the wings level. Cycling the landing gear / flaps did not change the situation. I decided not to land on the closest airstrip but instead fly to a bigger airfield were I new I could find help. After half an hour of a stressful flight and a direct approach in order to avoid turning left in the pattern, the landing was uneventful. On the ground the controls were absolutely normal. I decided I would not take off again without having checked the integrity of all the roll control system. With the help of friends, we removed the wings so that I could inspect all control rods, bellcranks, torque tubes, bearings and quick connect system. We found absolutely nothing. We put the plane back together and off I went. Everything was back to normal. I flew a dozen times since that day without experiencing the problem again. What could have caused this heavy wing? I see one possibility: during the take off roll, a stone may have been thrown by the main wheel or outrigger wheel and ended up in the left outrigger mechanism or the left flap slot, therefore preventing the left flap to fully retract and causing the airplane to roll to the right. Cycling the gear did not dislodge the stone but the bump on landing did. Has anyone experienced a similar problem ? Remi Guerner F-PGKL, XS S/N395 monowheel, 912S, Airmaster, 425 hours ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:58:23 PM PST US From: "Simon Smith" Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Europa-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 08/22/06 --> Europa-List message posted by: "Simon Smith" Steve, I used some SS plate that I had lying around and had it engraved at my local shoe repair/key cutting place for 5. I know that other have used an offcut from their firewall. Just an idea Simon -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve v. Sent: 23 August 2006 17:16 Subject: Europa-List: RE: Europa-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 08/22/06 --> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." Thanks Paul, i'll also give that a try, steve ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:53:10 PM PST US From: Rman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Crack prevention of fuse seams? --> Europa-List message posted by: Rman Ron, Sorry for the late reply. I laid up a couple of layers of BID on the fuse seams and one layer on the windscreens. Did the same on the wing closures. Haven't had any problems at over 200 hours and feel a little more secure than just trusting the miracle glue... Jeff - Baby Blue 206 hours rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: > >What has worked for those flying to prevent cracking paint at: > >Fuse seam on the outside? > >Windscreen to fuse seam? > >The factory seam on the aft fuse that goes through tailspring inspection >cover? > >Thx. >Ron Parigoris > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:30 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: heavy wing --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton Remi If the roll was present with flaps/gear down, then that would indicate right flap not fully down. Flaps up indicates left flap not fully up. What about the ailerons? Mud on the bottom surface of the right aileron? Mud on the leading edge? Any ice about? Graham Rmi Guerner wrote: > Hello all, > > During my vacation in the french Alps, I had the following incident: after > take of from a rough mountain strip, I felt a strong roll tendency to the > right, just after having retracted the landing gear. The airplane was > controllable with a significant effort on the stick. > > > > Remi Guerner > > F-PGKL, XS S/N395 monowheel, 912S, Airmaster, 425 hours > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:21 PM PST US From: "William Mills" Subject: Re: Europa-List: heavy wing Remi, I am not offering any suggestions, but I am intrigued as to your description of the control surfaces looking normal. When you looked at the control surfaces with the flaps up and with the heavy right wing, were the ailerons in line with the flaps and the wing tips on both wings, or was the right aileron slightly down and the left one up to counteract the tendency to roll right? With the flaps / wheel down for landing was the aircraft back in balance? If the left flap had not fully retracted, I would have thought the aileron and flap would not have lined up, particularly on the left wing. If it were a stone that had caused the problem, perhaps speed kit fairings would have guarded the hinges and outrigger mechanisms against that. I presume you have not fitted them? Best wishes, William ----- Original Message ----- From: R=C3=A9mi Guerner To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:52 PM Subject: Europa-List: heavy wing Hello all, During my vacation in the french Alps, I had the following incident: after take of from a rough mountain strip, I felt a strong roll tendency to the right, just after having retracted the landing gear. The airplane was controllable with a significant effort on the stick. I first thought I had a control jamming but in fact there were no jamming, but only a heavy wing feeling. Rolling to the left was very difficult. Looking at the control surfaces, I could not see anything unusual. Reducing the airspeed decreased the effort to keep the wings level. Cycling the landing gear / flaps did not change the situation. I decided not to land on the closest airstrip but instead fly to a bigger airfield were I new I could find help. After half an hour of a stressful flight and a direct approach in order to avoid turning left in the pattern, the landing was uneventful. On the ground the controls were absolutely normal. I decided I would not take off again without having checked the integrity of all the roll control system. With the help of friends, we removed the wings so that I could inspect all control rods, bellcranks, torque tubes, bearings and quick connect system. We found absolutely nothing. We put the plane back together and off I went. Everything was back to normal. I flew a dozen times since that day without experiencing the problem again. What could have caused this heavy wing? I see one possibility: during the take off roll, a stone may have been thrown by the main wheel or outrigger wheel and ended up in the left outrigger mechanism or the left flap slot, therefore preventing the left flap to fully retract and causing the airplane to roll to the right. Cycling the gear did not dislodge the stone but the bump on landing did. Has anyone experienced a similar problem ? Remi Guerner F-PGKL, XS S/N395 monowheel, 912S, Airmaster, 425 hours