Europa-List Digest Archive

Mon 08/28/06


Total Messages Posted: 11



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 03:42 AM - Re: CAA Mode "S" Consultation Response (A B Milne)
     2. 04:46 AM - Re: Fly out Le Touquet (David Joyce)
     3. 11:30 AM - Falke compared with Europa Monowheel (Raimo Toivio)
     4. 01:47 PM - Re: Strobe Light (Fred Klein)
     5. 01:58 PM - Re: Falke compared with Europa Monowheel (Hans Siedsma)
     6. 02:33 PM - Re: Flap Placement (Graham Singleton)
     7. 03:31 PM - Re: Flap Placement (astills)
     8. 04:57 PM - Re: Flap Placement (Rman)
     9. 05:50 PM - Re: PROBABLE SPAM> Re: Debugging a TCU Problem (SPurpura@aol.com)
    10. 07:08 PM - Re: Flap Placement (Kingsley Hurst)
    11. 08:37 PM - Re: Mobile Wing Cradle (Andrew Sarangan)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:42:04 AM PST US
    From: A B Milne <milneab@onetel.com>
    Subject: Re: CAA Mode "S" Consultation Response
    --> Europa-List message posted by: A B Milne <milneab@onetel.com> I did respond, though from the contents of the form I was reminded of the old one about 'How long is it since you stopped beating your wife'. I especially appreciated the section on 'How would YOU like to pay?' Yours, Alasdair. Quoting William Mills <william@wrmills.plus.com>: > To All UK Recipients, > > Have all the UK builders / pilots made a response to the CAA > Consultation Paper on the proposed implementation of Mode "S"? Just > a reminder to get your responses in by Tuesday 29th August. The more > the better. All details are on the PFA website. > > Best wishes, > > William > > Do not archive


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    Time: 04:46:13 AM PST US
    From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
    Subject: Re: Fly out Le Touquet
    Mike, Herewith. It is specifically related to the Le Touquet trip but general principles apply to other French destinations, and once there flying around France or further into the core EU Schengen zone is pretty straightforward. Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Gamble" <mp.gamble@tiscali.co.uk> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 8:28 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly out Le Touquet > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Gamble" <mp.gamble@tiscali.co.uk> > > David, I am not planning to cross the pond just yet but I would be very > interested to see your info sheet for your trip to Le Touquet. > Thanks and regards > Mike Gamble > XS 440 mono > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Listen to the highlights from Radio Doctors.net.uk > http://www.doctors.net.uk/login/?shorturlid=5857 > _______________________________________________________________________ > >


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    Time: 11:30:04 AM PST US
    From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
    Subject: Falke compared with Europa Monowheel
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> All I had last weekend a wonderful opportunity to learn to fly first time all together stick controlled, tail and monowheeled, engine quited machine with metric avionics. It was a wonderful German Falke side-by-side -seated motor glider, year model 1972. My purpose was to understand beforehand my soon completed Europas take-off and landing characteries. It was a nice experience for a Cessna boy like me. I am alive and Falke is still flyable & landable. It was not a shock at all, much easier than I thought before. Is there anybody out there who has flied both Europa Monowheel and Falke motor glider? Could you please compare especially landing qualities of those planes? I noticed that speed just before touch was very important. It was about 90 km/h = 50 knots. Also heading along runway. Gliding w/o engine was charming. How about gliding wings to Europa, can man still purchase a long wing kit? Price? Regards, Raimo ========== Raimo M W Toivio OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417, will be painted in few days OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk, this year more than ever hrs OH-BLL Beechcraft C45 w radial engines, still grounded 37500 Lempaala Finland tel + 358 3 3753 777 fax + 358 3 3753 100 gsm + 358 40 590 1450 raimo.toivio@rwm.fi www.rwm.fi


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    Time: 01:47:55 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Strobe Light
    From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com> Paul (McAllister), Regarding your tail strobe/position light...could you let me know its location and orientation on your aircraft? I have been planning on mounting the Kuntzelman strobe w/ LEDs vertically on the rear edge of the rudder; however, after learning that if I mounted it this way, the LED's would be pointing up and down rather than towards the rear thus being problematic (in terms of meeting FAA requirements). After an engaging conversation with Dick Kuntzelman, he says he'd be happy to make up a special unit with the LEDs pointing to the rear; but before ordering this, I wanted to have a better idea of your installation and how you dealt with this issue. Fred A194 On Monday, August 21, 2006, at 09:01 PM, Michael Grass wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" > <M.Grass@comcast.net> > > Paul, > > I could sworn you had a Kuntzelman Strobe which you get at > www.kestrobes.com Click on the button for the online store and you > find the spare parts. Spare lenses are $10. > > But I am not 100% sure. The last time I have seen your plane was about > 1 year ago. > > > Michael Grass


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    Time: 01:58:02 PM PST US
    From: "Hans Siedsma" <hsiedsma@inter.nl.net>
    Subject: Falke compared with Europa Monowheel
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Hans Siedsma" <hsiedsma@inter.nl.net> Hello Raimo, I have experience with the monowheel RF5 B motorglider. Total number of hour on this type is over the 200. I am current on different type airplains including Cessna, Grob, Piper, TB10, Katana etc. I am or better I was building a Europa monowheel. Last year one of my pilot friend offerd me to use his Europa monowheel to get already experience. Great I believed that it would be a piece of cake. With over the 500 hours on different taildraggers and many hours on different Tri-gears it must be easy..... I thought. But this monowheel is something different. Let me say first I like the Monowheel shape and look an believe it is a beauty. After flying it for many hours I made the decision to change my plane in a Tri gear. ( It was not yet finished Why? Easy the monowheel is critical during take off and landing. It needs your full attention and a lot of praying. Totally different from the RF5 monowheel. The Europa ailerons are not active till somewhere 50 knots. The motorglider is already very fast after starting and you can keep your wings easy leveled. The Europa is short and small, the motorglider has a moment and is longer and stable. OK it is also more difficult as a Tri gear but if you learn it you can play with it. I was able to start or land it nearly every circumstances. The Europa monowheel was much more tricky. The tower hated me and told me each time if we were active they are nervious. This design was due to them not correct and they have seen to many problems with the other Europa monowheels. So as they said I could wait for an accident. I thougth it is totally nonens and they were incorrect. Then suddenly the palne took me. I made the mistake and let the tail come up just a second to early. Witnesses told me that it looked terrible. It moved from left to rigth and finally left the runway on one site. I was lucky because the turbo gave me enough power to get it from the ground ten meters before the little cannel along the airport. Personnally I had no problems but the tower had some comments ( I will not repeat ) Ok I did not gave up and flew it many more hours But finally I believed that it was not the type of plane I like to fly ,let my wife fly ( She flies the Katana without any problem )and my close pilot friend ( not the one from the Europa ). For sure it will be not possible to keep flying on the different types and also on the Europa monowheel. So I decide to change my plane to a Tri gear ( my wife did not like it becasue she believes that the monowheel is much nicer to see ). After all the delay my plane is close to be ready, my friend was very happy and also my wife finally believe that it was the right decision. ( too bad my friend will not fly my plane anymore because he just has been killed during take off with the RF5 ) -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 20:35 Subject: Europa-List: Falke compared with Europa Monowheel --> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> All I had last weekend a wonderful opportunity to learn to fly first time all together stick controlled, tail and monowheeled, engine quited machine with metric avionics. It was a wonderful German Falke side-by-side -seated motor glider, year model 1972. My purpose was to understand beforehand my soon completed Europas take-off and landing characteries. It was a nice experience for a Cessna boy like me. I am alive and Falke is still flyable & landable. It was not a shock at all, much easier than I thought before. Is there anybody out there who has flied both Europa Monowheel and Falke motor glider? Could you please compare especially landing qualities of those planes? I noticed that speed just before touch was very important. It was about 90 km/h = 50 knots. Also heading along runway. Gliding w/o engine was charming. How about gliding wings to Europa, can man still purchase a long wing kit? Price? Regards, Raimo ========== Raimo M W Toivio OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417, will be painted in few days OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk, this year more than ever hrs OH-BLL Beechcraft C45 w radial engines, still grounded 37500 Lempaala Finland tel + 358 3 3753 777 fax + 358 3 3753 100 gsm + 358 40 590 1450 raimo.toivio@rwm.fi www.rwm.fi


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    Time: 02:33:06 PM PST US
    From: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Flap Placement
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> Ian The problem is tha template discribed in the plans is not accurate. Looking at the CAD coordinates of the section. the trailing edge should be reflexed up slightly,not apparent on the plans template. This will reduce cruise drag slightly. (don't aske me how much :-[ but every little helps. IMHO the ailerons should also be up a little, which will improve control harmony and give a bit more washout at the tips. I no longer have access to the section, my CAD program is buried in an old PC which doesn't work any more. Graham G-IANI wrote: > Al > > This is a fairly common problem. The question is are the flaps low or > are the ailerons high. You should be able to get an idea of which by > using your wing template. It is also worth looking to see how much > gap is between the flap leading edge and the wing closeout. Others > who have had the problem may be able to suggest what they did. > > Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear > Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) > e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk > or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com > >* >* >


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    Time: 03:31:34 PM PST US
    From: "astills" <astills@cox.net>
    Subject: Flap Placement
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "astills" <astills@cox.net> Thanks for the answers. The alerons are spot on and both flaps are approx 1/4"-3/8" low on both sides. Both the same. The flaps match up with the training edges and the alerons the same. They just don't match up to each other. When I bought my kit from a fellow in California, he had already installed the cockpit module so I'm not sure if he had moved the module back a slight amount or not. As the electric motor runs the flap bar up it has a hard stop on the back of the module. Al Stills N625AZ


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    Time: 04:57:37 PM PST US
    From: Rman <topglock@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Flap Placement
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Rman <topglock@cox.net> Al, not likely that the CM is set back, as it must be in contact with the firewall. More likely, the flap pins are positioned improperly. The only way I can see to remedy the problem would be to relocate them and that will be no small task. Good luck and let us know how it turns out... Jeff - Baby Blue 209 hours... astills wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "astills" <astills@cox.net> > > >Thanks for the answers. The alerons are spot on and both flaps are approx >1/4"-3/8" low on both sides. Both the same. >The flaps match up with the training edges and the alerons the same. They >just don't match up to each other. When I bought my kit from a fellow in >California, he had already installed the cockpit module so I'm not sure if >he had moved the module >back a slight amount or not. As the electric motor runs the flap bar up it >has a hard stop on the back of the module. >Al Stills >N625AZ > > > >


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    Time: 05:50:39 PM PST US
    From: SPurpura@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Debugging a TCU Problem
    Sound like a low voltage problem,my 2 cents


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    Time: 07:08:43 PM PST US
    From: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
    Subject: Flap Placement
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au> Al, > I'm not sure if he had moved the module back a slight amount or not. I doubt the module would be too far back. What I think is more likely is that when it was installed, the rear of the module was not strapped to that part of the module forward of the fuel tank. This procedure is explained in the manual but was really a bit hairy fairy because the points from which the measurements had to be taken were hard to determine precisely. If indeed your flaps should and could be retracted further in their own right, I would attack the problem by cutting away that part of the module where the flap cross tube hits to allow more movement. This in turn would mean you would have to fabricate a new part to cover the slot such that it forms a recess for the flap cross tube. Whether or not this is structural I don't know but I think it could be made strong enough especially if you were to use carbon fibre cloth. Just my thoughts. Regards Kingsley in Oz


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    Time: 08:37:06 PM PST US
    From: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@YAHOO.COM>
    Subject: Re: Mobile Wing Cradle
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com> As per request from several builders, I have posted dimensions of the wing cradle on my website. As always, comments are appreciated. http://www.sarangan.org/aviation/europa/wing/cradle.html --- Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@yahoo.com> wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan > <asarangan@yahoo.com> > > > Recently I built a wing cradle that allows one to move the wing > around > as well as flip it on its side with relative ease. I thought there > might be some others who might benefit from this construction. > Detailed > photos are available at > http://www.sarangan.org/aviation/europa/wing/cradle.html > > If you have comments or critiques, please let me know. > > > > > Andrew Sarangan > http://www.sarangan.org > > > > > Andrew Sarangan http://www.sarangan.org




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