---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/30/06: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:25 AM - Very Late DOTH (Paddy Clarke) 2. 01:05 AM - Re: Very Late DOTH (Pete Lawless) 3. 01:53 AM - Re: Very Late DOTH (Paddy Clarke) 4. 05:25 AM - Re: (SPAM) Re: Falke compared with Europa Monowheel (Raimo Toivio) 5. 08:03 AM - Epibond 420 (formerly Araldite 420) (formerly Redux) (Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden) 6. 08:32 AM - Re: Epibond 420 (formerly Araldite 420) (formerly Redux) (Graham Pocock) 7. 08:37 AM - The rest of the Epibond 420 info (Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden) 8. 09:04 AM - Re: The rest of the Epibond 420 info (William Daniell) 9. 09:15 AM - Re: Epibond 420 (formerly Araldite 420) (formerly Redux) (Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden) 10. 11:15 AM - Re: (SPAM) Re: Falke compared with Europa Monowheel (Graham Singleton) 11. 03:25 PM - First Flight (Steven Pitt) 12. 04:04 PM - Re: First Flight (Rman) 13. 06:03 PM - Interior Kit (Steve Crimm) 14. 06:39 PM - Re: First Flight (Kingsley Hurst) 15. 06:51 PM - Re: First Flight (Craig Ellison) 16. 10:57 PM - Re: First Flight (William Mills) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:25:30 AM PST US From: Paddy Clarke Subject: Europa-List: Very Late DOTH --> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke Hi All, Can anyone make a DOTH to Old Sarum today Wed 30th?. Sorry about the late notice, I haven't been concentrating, and it looks like it's the last chance for a while. 1200ish - voucher in Pilot. Cheers, Paddy Paddy Clarke Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:05:34 AM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Very Late DOTH --> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" Hi Paddy See you there. Pete ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:17 AM PST US From: Paddy Clarke Subject: Re: Europa-List: Very Late DOTH --> Europa-List message posted by: Paddy Clarke Hi All, May be a bit late - got to go to Kemble first, Cheers, Paddy On 30 Aug 2006, at 9:04, Pete Lawless wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" > > Hi Paddy > > See you there. > > Pete > > Paddy Clarke Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:39 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: (SPAM) RE: Europa-List: Falke compared with Europa Monowheel --> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" Hans, Paul, David, Gilles, Robert and all of you, who have compared Europa with Falke: thank you for your kind advice and sharing your flying memories! I understand now Falke is only one step to monowheel. Rather same but much different! I also understand some people have difficulties with monowheel and some people do not at all. What younger is the pilot that easier is it to learn new techniques and automatic & fast physical reactions after signals coming from your ass, eyes or ears. That is natural. For me personally (46) it took one year to learn to cycle by one wheeler (circus model) and I know every healthy teenager can learn it in weeks if she/he only really want to do it. They say it is as difficult as learning to levitate helicopter. Learning to ride it was my wifes condition to do before monowheel flying... I recommend it all of you - it is fun and keeps your senses sensitive! I have sat on the co-pilot side in the monowheel when it was piloted by Roger Sheridan, Peter Kember, Mark Waite, David Bosomworth and Dirk van Oyen. They were speakable and relaxed when landing but of course all of them are Miracle Men. Those flights pushed me to build and go on building monowheel. I am sorry about RF5 -accident and wish you all safe flights. Raimo ==== Raimo M W Toivio OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417 OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk OH-BLL Beechcraft C45 w radial engines (grounded) 37500 Lempaala Finland tel + 358 3 3753 777 fax + 358 3 3753 100 gsm + 358 40 590 1450 raimo.toivio@rwm.fi www.rwm.fi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Siedsma" Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 11:57 PM Subject: (SPAM) RE: Europa-List: Falke compared with Europa Monowheel > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Hans Siedsma" > > Hello Raimo, > > > I have experience with the monowheel RF5 B motorglider. Total number of hour > on this type is over the 200. I am current on different type airplains > including Cessna, Grob, Piper, TB10, Katana etc. > > I am or better I was building a Europa monowheel. > > Last year one of my pilot friend offerd me to use his Europa monowheel to > get already experience. Great I believed that it would be a piece of cake. > With over the 500 hours on different taildraggers and many hours on > different Tri-gears it must be easy..... I thought. > > But this monowheel is something different. Let me say first I like the > Monowheel shape and look an believe it is a beauty. > > After flying it for many hours I made the decision to change my plane in a > Tri gear. ( It was not yet finished > > Why? Easy the monowheel is critical during take off and landing. It needs > your full attention and a lot of praying. Totally different from the RF5 > monowheel. The Europa ailerons are not active till somewhere 50 knots. The > motorglider is already very fast after starting and you can keep your wings > easy leveled. The Europa is short and small, the motorglider has a moment > and is longer and stable. OK it is also more difficult as a Tri gear but if > you learn it you can play with it. I was able to start or land it nearly > every circumstances. > > The Europa monowheel was much more tricky. The tower hated me and told me > each time if we were active they are nervious. This design was due to them > not correct and they have seen to many problems with the other Europa > monowheels. So as they said I could wait for an accident. I thougth it is > totally nonens and they were incorrect. > > Then suddenly the palne took me. I made the mistake and let the tail come up > just a second to early. Witnesses told me that it looked terrible. It moved > from left to rigth and finally left the runway on one site. I was lucky > because the turbo gave me enough power to get it from the ground ten meters > before the little cannel along the airport. Personnally I had no problems > but the tower had some comments ( I will not repeat ) > Ok I did not gave up and flew it many more hours > > But finally I believed that it was not the type of plane I like to fly ,let > my wife fly ( She flies the Katana without any problem )and my close pilot > friend ( not the one from the Europa ). For sure it will be not possible to > keep flying on the different types and also on the Europa monowheel. So I > decide to change my plane to a Tri gear ( my wife did not like it becasue > she believes that the monowheel is much nicer to see ). > > After all the delay my plane is close to be ready, my friend was very happy > and also my wife finally believe that it was the right decision. ( too bad > my friend will not fly my plane anymore because he just has been killed > during take off with the RF5 ) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 20:35 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Falke compared with Europa Monowheel > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" > > All > > I had last weekend a wonderful opportunity > to learn to fly first time all together stick > controlled, tail and monowheeled, > engine quited machine with metric avionics. > It was a wonderful German Falke side-by-side > -seated motor glider, year model 1972. > > My purpose was to understand beforehand my > soon completed Europas take-off and landing > characteries. It was a nice experience for a > Cessna boy like me. I am alive and Falke > is still flyable & landable. It was not a shock > at all, much easier than I thought before. > > Is there anybody out there who has flied both > Europa Monowheel and Falke motor glider? > > Could you please compare especially landing > qualities of those planes? I noticed that speed > just before touch was very important. It was > about 90 km/h = 50 knots. Also heading along > runway. > > Gliding w/o engine was charming. > How about gliding wings to Europa, > can man still purchase a long wing kit? > Price? > > Regards, Raimo > ========== > Raimo M W Toivio > > OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417, will be painted in few days > OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk, this year more than ever hrs > OH-BLL Beechcraft C45 w radial engines, still grounded > > 37500 Lempaala > Finland > tel + 358 3 3753 777 > fax + 358 3 3753 100 > gsm + 358 40 590 1450 > > raimo.toivio@rwm.fi > www.rwm.fi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:18 AM PST US From: "Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden" Subject: Europa-List: Epibond 420 (formerly Araldite 420) (formerly Redux) I have just found a distributor of Epibond 420 A/B that will have 3 quart kits in stock at $277.59 + shipping. Those of you that have tried to purchase this stuff will understand why I am sharing this information with you. Vaughn Teegarden N914VA - Top of canoe going on in September ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:55 AM PST US From: "Graham Pocock" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Epibond 420 (formerly Araldite 420) (formerly Redux) And they are....? ----- Original Message ----- From: Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 4:01 PM Subject: Europa-List: Epibond 420 (formerly Araldite 420) (formerly Redux) I have just found a distributor of Epibond 420 A/B that will have 3 quart kits in stock at $277.59 + shipping. Those of you that have tried to purchase this stuff will understand why I am sharing this information with you. Vaughn Teegarden N914VA - Top of canoe going on in September ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:36 AM PST US From: "Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden" Subject: Europa-List: The rest of the Epibond 420 info The distributor that will have 3 quarts in stock in September is: Krayden Industries Denver, CO 1-800-448-0406 I spoke with Edie to place my order. Vaughn Teegarden N914VA ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:25 AM PST US From: "William Daniell" Subject: RE: Europa-List: The rest of the Epibond 420 info by the way there is a person who will import this stuff for you in Miami gladys martinez gmartinez@aeropia.com she was efficient and helpful _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden Sent: 30 August, 2006 10:37 Subject: Europa-List: The rest of the Epibond 420 info The distributor that will have 3 quarts in stock in September is: Krayden Industries Denver, CO 1-800-448-0406 I spoke with Edie to place my order. Vaughn Teegarden N914VA ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:16 AM PST US From: "Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Epibond 420 (formerly Araldite 420) (formerly Redux) Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most! ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Pocock To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:38 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Epibond 420 (formerly Araldite 420) (formerly Redux) And they are....? ----- Original Message ----- From: Vaughn & Gaye Teegarden To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 4:01 PM Subject: Europa-List: Epibond 420 (formerly Araldite 420) (formerly Redux) I have just found a distributor of Epibond 420 A/B that will have 3 quart kits in stock at $277.59 + shipping. Those of you that have tried to purchase this stuff will understand why I am sharing this information with you. Vaughn Teegarden N914VA - Top of canoe going on in September ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:15:21 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: (SPAM) RE: Europa-List: Falke compared with Europa Monowheel --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton Raimo If you can learn to ride a monocycle I am sure you will learn to land a Monowheel Europa. The key to it is feet and eye co-ordination, keep looking at the horizon. That's also the key to windsurfing and skiing ! I learnt to do it at age 60 or thereabouts. I did fly gliders and Motorfalke a long time ago. The difference is the speed of response of the Europa, it is much much faster than airplanes with decent long wings. (As all glider pilots know, TINSFOS =-O ) * The first thing you need to get fixed into the automatic part of your brain is to get the tailwheel down first. Next get the stick immediately all the way back ( I still haven't learnt to do that, I find myself thinking of other things like yawing etc. must be getting old) If you practice visuallising this in your armchair you might find it almost easy when you start flying. The wheel should be pegged on the ground now, so all you have to do is spot the yaw starting almost before it starts and correct with dancing feet on the rudder. Graham * there is no substitute for span!! Raimo Toivio wrote: >For me personally (46) it took one year to learn >to cycle by one wheeler (circus model) and I know >every healthy teenager can learn it in weeks if she/he >only really want to do it. > >Raimo > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:13 PM PST US From: "Steven Pitt" Subject: Europa-List: First Flight At 16.00 hrs UK Summer Time today, G-SMDH finally took to the very beautiful skies over Blackbushe Airport, Hampshire, under the capable hands of Pete Jeffers. Peter disappeared from view for about twenty minutes and on completing a successful and sweet landing pronounced that the aircraft performed well with one or two tweaks necessary. For the record, G-SMDH is a Europa XS Tri gear (no 403) with a Rotax 912S with Warp Drive fixed pitch prop. Weight has been finalised at 861lbs - total build time was +2500 hours and counting. Peter then invited me to take to the air with him (for data collection purposes) and I found it to be a wonderful experience and can't wait to sit in the left hand seat. Thanks to all my supporters and their kind words. Steve Pitt Thanks to Mike Gamble for a picture of me with a Europa smile! ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:16 PM PST US From: Rman Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:11 PM PST US From: "Steve Crimm" Subject: Europa-List: Interior Kit For those on the west side of the pond... Do any of you all know of a shop that has done an interior kit for the Europa. The time has come to spruce mine up. Steve Crimm N42AH Roswell, GA ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:49 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: RE: Europa-List: First Flight > At 16.00 hrs UK Summer Time today, G-SMDH finally took to the very beautiful skies over Blackbushe Airport, Hampshire, Congratulations Steve. As I've said before and I'll say again, it must be a good feeling. Just hope I live long enough ! Cheers Kingsley in Oz. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:19 PM PST US From: "Craig Ellison" Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight Congratulations Steven! A very hansom Europa. Now you can go have some real fun! craig ellison N205CN 53hr ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Pitt To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 3:20 PM Subject: Europa-List: First Flight At 16.00 hrs UK Summer Time today, G-SMDH finally took to the very beautiful skies over Blackbushe Airport, Hampshire, under the capable hands of Pete Jeffers. Peter disappeared from view for about twenty minutes and on completing a successful and sweet landing pronounced that the aircraft performed well with one or two tweaks necessary. For the record, G-SMDH is a Europa XS Tri gear (no 403) with a Rotax 912S with Warp Drive fixed pitch prop. Weight has been finalised at 861lbs - total build time was +2500 hours and counting. Peter then invited me to take to the air with him (for data collection purposes) and I found it to be a wonderful experience and can't wait to sit in the left hand seat. Thanks to all my supporters and their kind words. Steve Pitt Thanks to Mike Gamble for a picture of me with a Europa smile! ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:38 PM PST US From: "William Mills" Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight Many congratulations, Steve. Hope it is not too long before you can sit in the left seat and join in with the DOTHs! Best wishes, William ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Pitt To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:20 PM Subject: Europa-List: First Flight At 16.00 hrs UK Summer Time today, G-SMDH finally took to the very beautiful skies over Blackbushe Airport, Hampshire, under the capable hands of Pete Jeffers. Peter disappeared from view for about twenty minutes and on completing a successful and sweet landing pronounced that the aircraft performed well with one or two tweaks necessary. For the record, G-SMDH is a Europa XS Tri gear (no 403) with a Rotax 912S with Warp Drive fixed pitch prop. Weight has been finalised at 861lbs - total build time was +2500 hours and counting. Peter then invited me to take to the air with him (for data collection purposes) and I found it to be a wonderful experience and can't wait to sit in the left hand seat. Thanks to all my supporters and their kind words. Steve Pitt Thanks to Mike Gamble for a picture of me with a Europa smile! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 25/08/2006