---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/04/06: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:30 AM - Re: Dodgy Regulator? (nigel charles) 2. 02:48 AM - Re: landinglight. (Raimo Toivio) 3. 03:49 AM - Re: Early Europa Mods (G-IANI) 4. 04:34 AM - Re: landinglight. () 5. 04:36 AM - Re: Fuel smell (Karl Heindl) 6. 06:29 AM - Re: Dodgy Regulator? (William Daniell) 7. 09:37 AM - Re: Dodgy Regulator? (Alex Kaarsberg) 8. 10:08 AM - Re: landinglight. (N.T. Groot) 9. 12:37 PM - Any Leftovers? (Troy Maynor) 10. 02:15 PM - oil lines (Paul Stewart) 11. 02:16 PM - oil lines (Paul Stewart) 12. 02:29 PM - Re: Fuel smell (Graham Singleton) 13. 02:33 PM - Re: Dodgy Regulator? (steve v.) 14. 03:52 PM - Re: Re: Dodgy Regulator? (William Daniell) 15. 04:58 PM - Re: Re: Dodgy Regulator? (Alex Kaarsberg) 16. 06:55 PM - Re: PROBABLE SPAM> oil lines (Paul McAllister) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:30:04 AM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Dodgy Regulator? This seems to be useful evidence that the crowbar unit is doing a good job. Relying on spotting voltage spikes during flight and switching the generator off manually would probably mean that a substantial number of spikes occurred before anything was noticed. It also brings to your attention that maybe the regulator is not far away from failure. As not all regulators fail around 200hrs it may be that some of us are working them nearer to their limits than others. There was a suggestion recently that keeping the average demand below 12 amps was good for regulator durability. I would also suggest that ensuring it receives adequate cooling air and perhaps giving it some vibration protection might help. Making sure the case is well earthed is another essential requirement. Nigel Charles -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MJKTuck@cs.com Sent: 04 September 2006 02:17 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dodgy Regulator? In a message dated 9/3/2006 6:14:30 PM Central Standard Time, SPurpura@aol.com writes: How hot does it get,is there anything oozing out of the small holes, and my first Ducati reg. lasted about 200 hrs. I did not take the top cowling off so have not inspected the regulator but from others who have e-mailed, 200 hours seems to be the lifespan. I think I'll go ahead and replace it. Thanks for all the comments. Martin ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:48:31 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: landinglight. Nico I have Hella Xenon-lights, both landing and taxilights. They are extremely powerfull, long-life enough, vibration resistant and take only 3A. Also it=B4s size is reasonable, the lenght is about 100 mm and diameter about 50 mm (you can purchase round or square model if you like). Of course they heavier than those led-toys but less than man can guess. I have also Xenon-lights in my cars and I have to note there is now life w/o Xenon any more. They are like sun itself. I have three years experience of them (in car use). Price of the one pair is about 600 - 1000 euros depending where you buy. Regards, Raimo ============ Raimo M W Toivio OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417, last night stall probe installation, it was fun! OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk, 55 hrs this year so far OH-BLL Beechcraft C45 w radial engines, grounded all the time 37500 Lempaala Finland tel + 358 3 3753 777 fax + 358 3 3753 100 gsm + 358 40 590 1450 raimo.toivio@rwm.fi www.rwm.fi ----- Original Message ----- From: N.T. Groot To: Europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Europa-List: landinglight. Hi I want to fix a landing light in the (nose)wheel faring. Does anyone know a type of landing light with a good light, a good shock resistant and how to get it Thanks in advance Nico Groot PH-AMD Nt.groot@quicknet.nl ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:13 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Early Europa Mods Nev Thanks for the reply. I have put together all the info I received and it is attached. It may prove useful some time in the future Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of NevEyre@aol.com Sent: 03 September 2006 18:07 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Early Europa Mods ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: landinglight. From: --> Europa-List message posted by: Hello Raimo "I have Hella Xenon-lights, both landing and taxilights. They are extremely powerfull, long-life enough, vibration resistant and take only 3A. Also its size is reasonable,the lenght is about 100 mm and diameter about 50 mm you can purchase round or square model if you like). Of course they heavier than those led-toys but less than man can guess." Where did you install them in your Europa? Have a picture? Any noise problems? Thx. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:28 AM PST US From: "Karl Heindl" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel smell --> Europa-List message posted by: "Karl Heindl" Guys, Before blaming the carb heater for the fuel smell, why not be 100 % sure before adding mods. Just disable the coolant flow by putting a clamp on one hose for one or two test flights, and get the engine nice and hot. I have fuel smells, too. But in my case one source is the old hoses, some of which I will change at the next annual. Karl >From: JEFF ROBERTS >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Skydrive on/off control >Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 21:24:07 -0500 > >--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS > >Tim, >Actually I do smell fuel once in a while. I don't remember seeing any fuel >stains but I may take the cowl off and look closer now. I have a small fuel >valve that I didn't use so maybe that would work for turning the hot water >off. Would now like to hear what others have used for the job. >Jeff >A258. Flying off the 40 & maybe another bug just found me. Thanks Guys ;( > > >On Sep 3, 2006, at 2:43 PM, Tim Ward wrote: > >>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" >> >>Jeff, >>Do you have any fuel smell problems? >>Cheers >> >>Tim >>Tim Ward >>12 Waiwetu Street, >>Fendalton, >>Christchurch, 8052 >>New Zealand >> >>Ph +64 3 3515166 >>Mobile 021 0640221 >>ward.t@xtra.co.nz >>----- Original Message ----- From: "JEFF ROBERTS" >>To: >>Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 4:09 AM >>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Skydrive on/off control >> >> >>>--> Europa-List message posted by: JEFF ROBERTS >>>Karl, >>>I use the Skydrive system on my 912-S and leave it on all the time. We >>>haven't had any problems here in the USA mid south at 95 + degrees all >>>summer. I have very long taxies at MQY. When the motors hot and I need to >>>re-start, a little throttle as soon as you crank it and it takes off >>>every time. >>>Just my two cents, >>>Regards, >>>Jeff >>>A258 Gold Rush 33.5 hrs of flying off the 40 and all the bugs seem to be >>>gone ;) >>>On Sep 3, 2006, at 6:09 AM, Karl Heindl wrote: >>>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Karl Heindl" >>>> >>>> >>>>Tim, >>>> >>>>That is what I thought, but it is actually not true. >>>>When on the ground, and you have a long taxi run, especially on a grass >>>>field and/or on a very hot day, the hot coolant will cause the fuel to >>>>boil in the carburator bowls. You can easily verify this by looking at >>>>the clear carb vent tube through the stbd cowling door, and you will see >>>>the fuel bubbling up into the airbox. You will not be able to start your >>>>engine at this stage as the carbs are flooded. I've proven it by putting >>>>a clamp on the coolant hose to stop circulation. The local Rotax agent >>>>educated me about the Skydrive. He also claims that because the added >>>>collar moves the carburator further from the engine, it contributes to >>>>vibration problems. >>>>And lastly, I don't believe that hot air and hot fuel going into the >>>>combustion, does not affect engine performance. You have a 914, so you >>>>wouldn't know. >>>> >>>>Best regards, >>>> >>>>karl >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "Tim Ward" >>>>>To: >>>>>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Skydrive on/off control >>>>>Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 13:45:58 +1200 >>>>> >>>>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tim Ward" >>>>> >>>>>Karl, >>>>>Just keep the carb heat on all the time, no performance penalty. Having >>>>>a switch is just another thing to go wrong and fix! >>>>>Cheers, >>>>>Tim >>>>>Tim Ward >>>>>12 Waiwetu Street, >>>>>Fendalton, >>>>>Christchurch, 8052 >>>>>New Zealand >>>>> >>>>>Ph +64 3 3515166 >>>>>Mobile 021 0640221 >>>>>ward.t@xtra.co.nz >>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Heindl" >>>>>To: >>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 12:20 PM >>>>>Subject: Europa-List: Skydrive on/off control >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>--> Europa-List message posted by: "Karl Heindl" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Does anyone know of an inline valve, controlled electrically, for >>>>>>controlling the coolant flow in the Skydrive carb heater ? >>>>>>I know they exist for central heating systems, but are the wrong >>>>>>voltage. >>>>>> >>>>>>thanks in advance, >>>>>> >>>>>>Karl >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:08 AM PST US From: "William Daniell" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Dodgy Regulator? Did anyone have a Duke back in the 80s - they never ran in the rain cos of the electrics Is this a standard Duke item? or something made for Rotax? _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MJKTuck@cs.com Sent: 03 September, 2006 20:17 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dodgy Regulator? In a message dated 9/3/2006 6:14:30 PM Central Standard Time, SPurpura@aol.com writes: How hot does it get,is there anything oozing out of the small holes, and my first Ducati reg. lasted about 200 hrs. I did not take the top cowling off so have not inspected the regulator but from others who have e-mailed, 200 hours seems to be the lifespan. I think I'll go ahead and replace it. Thanks for all the comments. Martin ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:09 AM PST US From: Alex Kaarsberg Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dodgy Regulator? William Daniell wrote: > Did anyone have a Duke back in the 80s - they never ran in the rain > cos of the electrics > I've been across Europe many times on several Dukes- rain or not- never had any electrical trouble....perhaps the vibrations are of the wrong quality :-P Alex, kit 529 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:17 AM PST US From: "N.T. Groot" Subject: RE: Europa-List: landinglight. Jeff thanks for your answer with a nice picture. What is the type of this new gas light. With regards, Nico Groot PH-AMD -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Namens JEFF ROBERTS Verzonden: zondag 3 september 2006 17:58 Aan: europa-list@matronics.com Onderwerp: Re: Europa-List: landinglight. Hi Nico Good luck getting a small enough light to stand up to the pounding of the nose wheel. I used the new gas light and made a flange then bonded it on and filled it out so the light is right above the air opening. Its tight but work grest. Here is a picture if it comes through. Regards, Jeff A258 33.5 hrs of flying off the 40. All bugs seem to be gone;) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:48 PM PST US From: "Troy Maynor" Subject: Europa-List: Any Leftovers? Hi Folks, Does anyone have any Polyfiber UV Smooth-prime left over they would love to part with? About to order some from ACS. Troy Maynor ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:15:54 PM PST US From: Paul Stewart Subject: Europa-List: oil lines --> Europa-List message posted by: Paul Stewart Can anyone suggest how to route the oil line from tank banjo to the oil pump - I guess staying as far away from the stbd exhaust pipes Regards Paul Stewart G-GIDY ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:16:04 PM PST US From: Paul Stewart Subject: Europa-List: oil lines Can anyone suggest how to route the oil line from tank banjo to the oil pump - I guess staying as far away from the stbd exhaust pipes Regards Paul Stewart G-GIDY PS 914 installation ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:22 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel smell --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton Karl & everyone A few of us were talking about this at the PFA Rally couple of weeks ago, someone pointed out that there is another possible source of smells. The tank breather. When the aircraft climbs, air in the tank and breather system has to expand. When refueling some fuel gets pushed into the breather pipe, (I've seen it many times.) After take off any air trapped in the tank will expand as the aircraft climbs, the only way it can do that is up the tank breather so fuel will get pushed out the breather, hence the blue stains on the fuselage. The same thing happens if the aircraft is refueled cold, then the sun comes out and we warm up. Paul McA and I put the breather syphon break into the top of the XS filler trunk which should prevent any fuel being expelled. Graham Karl Heindl wrote: > Guys, > Before blaming the carb heater for the fuel smell, why not be 100 % > sure before adding mods. Just disable the coolant flow by putting a > clamp on one hose for one or two test flights, and get the engine nice > and hot. > I have fuel smells, too. But in my case one source is the old hoses, > some of which I will change at the next annual. > Karl ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:33:29 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: RE: Dodgy Regulator? From: "steve v." --> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." Hi , I am now on my fourth Duke and never had a Reg. failure although i have heard of them failing with some owners, incidently, they were all fitted with an alloy plate (heatsink ) on the rear face - somthing which is not mentioned on the aircraft installation... i've mounted mine below the oil tank , it looks as if in that position it will be blasted by the air flow from the naca duct in the stb. lower cowl and should be in cooler air after shutdown - i hope! steve vestuti #573 ps which Dukes did you have? ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:19 PM PST US From: "William Daniell" Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Dodgy Regulator? --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" I am talking about the late 70s and early 80s now. I had BMs (R100RS) because the reliability issues with the 900ss and their bretheren put me off. When they went they went really well - as Mike the bike's victories in IoM desmonstrate. New dukes are a bit different - so my mate who has the latest whatever it is now ? 916?? Tells me. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve v. Sent: 04 September, 2006 16:32 Subject: Europa-List: RE: Dodgy Regulator? --> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." Hi , I am now on my fourth Duke and never had a Reg. failure although i have heard of them failing with some owners, incidently, they were all fitted with an alloy plate (heatsink ) on the rear face - somthing which is not mentioned on the aircraft installation... i've mounted mine below the oil tank , it looks as if in that position it will be blasted by the air flow from the naca duct in the stb. lower cowl and should be in cooler air after shutdown - i hope! steve vestuti #573 ps which Dukes did you have? ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:36 PM PST US From: Alex Kaarsberg Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Dodgy Regulator? --> Europa-List message posted by: Alex Kaarsberg New dukes are a bit different - so my mate who has the latest whatever it is now ? 916?? Tells me. My '81 900, silver blue, most beautiful SSD that I could not make run in the city for some reason- carb related- was not electrically challenged and the last, an ST4 gobbling-continents-for-breakfast red growler, always ran perfectly. I still dream of it at night, going 500 miles and getting there and not want to get off it already and going for another spin...and then I had a one pot 350 trial type that I had for too short time. And when I hear one very occasionally, I get goosepimples... Alex, kit 529, still working on getting an engine- after i get that house built.... ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:26 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: RE: PROBABLE SPAM> Europa-List: oil lines Paul, Take a look at http://europa363.versadev.com/ under Jan 2004. 2.5 years / 500 hours on the hoses don't seem to be showing any signs of stress. Paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 4:17 PM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: PROBABLE SPAM> Europa-List: oil lines Can anyone suggest how to route the oil line from tank banjo to the oil pump - I guess staying as far away from the stbd exhaust pipes Regards Paul Stewart G-GIDY PS 914 installation