---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/11/06: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:39 AM - Re: Woodcomp CS curved propeller type (David Joyce) 2. 06:59 AM - Feathering on Woodcomp (Karl Heindl) 3. 08:46 AM - Re: Re: First Run Up (astills) 4. 10:38 AM - Europa ICAO designator? (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 5. 11:16 AM - Re: prop bolts (BEBERRY@aol.com) 6. 11:36 AM - Re: Europa ICAO designator? (Mike Gregory) 7. 12:09 PM - Re: Europa ICAO designator? (Raimo Toivio) 8. 12:18 PM - Re: Europa ICAO designator? (Tim Ward) 9. 12:26 PM - Re: Europa ICAO designator? (Robert Hitchcock) 10. 12:35 PM - Re: Europa ICAO designator? (Richard Iddon) 11. 01:46 PM - Re: landinglight. (Raimo Toivio) 12. 02:02 PM - Wing Walk Tape (steve v.) 13. 02:08 PM - Re: Landing Lights (Raimo Toivio) 14. 03:36 PM - Re: Wing Walk Tape (R.C.Harrison) 15. 03:43 PM - Re: Landing Lights (Karl Heindl) 16. 04:06 PM - Re: Wing Walk Tape (Rman) 17. 07:28 PM - Re: landinglight. () 18. 07:59 PM - Re: Wing Walk Tape (Tom Friedland) 19. 08:17 PM - Re: prop bolts (Kingsley Hurst) 20. 10:29 PM - Re: Wing Walk Tape (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 21. 10:29 PM - Re: Europa ICAO designator? (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:24 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Woodcomp CS curved propeller type --> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" Michael, I have been away last week, but am sure you have made a good decision. The SR3000 is an impressive prop and the curved blades certainly seemed to have an edge over the straight blades in the tests that I helped William Mills do on his plane. Regards, David Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 12:03 AM Subject: Europa-List: Woodcomp CS curved propeller type > Hi all, > > I am just about ready to order my cs prop. I was set on the Woodcomp. The company came back with the question "curved or straight" blades! > My question now is: Did anybody on this list has some comments on the new curved design from Woodcomp? Attached you find pictures from the curved and straight blade design. I could not get good advise so far which would be better for my Tri Gear Europa XS with a 914. Are there any performance data available? > > Thanks in advance > > Michael Grass > Europa XS TriGear, 914 Rotax > Detroit, Michigan > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Listen to the highlights from Radio Doctors.net.uk > http://www.doctors.net.uk/login/?shorturlid=5857 > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:12 AM PST US From: "Karl Heindl" Subject: Europa-List: Feathering on Woodcomp --> Europa-List message posted by: "Karl Heindl" If there is anyone out there with a SR3000 with feathering option and a 9xx: exactly where did you connect the two magneto sensor wires ? I connected mine to the L and R positions of the ACS keyed ignition switch, which are the brown wires coming out of the Ducati box. The feathering is supposed to be fully automatic. I can only get it to feather by disconnecting those two wires. I have contacted Woodcomp but replies can take up to two weeks. Karl ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:46:24 AM PST US From: "astills" Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: First Run Up --> Europa-List message posted by: "astills" Dan, Thanks for the comments..they paint job came out great. You'll have to see. Al Stills N625AZ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:38:28 AM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: Europa-List: Europa ICAO designator? Anyone know the ICAO designator (if any) for Europa? Or, what do you commonly use which is accepted when e.g. filing flight plans? Thanks in advance, Svein ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:16:55 AM PST US From: BEBERRY@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: prop bolts Inexperienced as I am (1 year with a Europa) perhaps I can ask more advice. Today I wheeled my 914 out of the hangar for the first time in a good few weeks (having been away for some time) and immediately I noticed a slight clear oil drip from the air box breather pipe. Engine was not started until later (ran beautifully) so I am puzzled at why this should happen. The engine has been dry as a bone until now but has not been run for some two months. Comments please. Thanks Patrick ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:14 AM PST US From: "Mike Gregory" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa ICAO designator? EUPA Regards Mike _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sidsel & Svein Johnsen Sent: 11 September 2006 18:37 Subject: Europa-List: Europa ICAO designator? Anyone know the ICAO designator (if any) for Europa? Or, what do you commonly use which is accepted when e.g. filing flight plans? Thanks in advance, Svein ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:00 PM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa ICAO designator? How about EUPA? Regards, Raimo ----- Original Message ----- From: Sidsel & Svein Johnsen To: Europa List Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: Europa-List: Europa ICAO designator? Anyone know the ICAO designator (if any) for Europa? Or, what do you commonly use which is accepted when e.g. filing flight plans? Thanks in advance, Svein ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:18:12 PM PST US From: "Tim Ward" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa ICAO designator? Svein, It is EUPA. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand Ph +64 3 3515166 Mobile 021 0640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Sidsel & Svein Johnsen To: Europa List Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 5:37 AM Subject: Europa-List: Europa ICAO designator? Anyone know the ICAO designator (if any) for Europa? Or, what do you commonly use which is accepted when e.g. filing flight plans? Thanks in advance, Svein ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:26:57 PM PST US From: "Robert Hitchcock" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa ICAO designator? The designator is "EUPA" Regards Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Sidsel & Svein Johnsen To: Europa List Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 6:37 PM Subject: Europa-List: Europa ICAO designator? Anyone know the ICAO designator (if any) for Europa? Or, what do you commonly use which is accepted when e.g. filing flight plans? Thanks in advance, Svein ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:30 PM PST US From: "Richard Iddon" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa ICAO designator? ICAO code for Europa is EUPA although nor a lot of controllers seen to recognise it. Richard Iddon G-RIXS -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sidsel & Svein Johnsen Sent: 11 September 2006 18:37 Subject: Europa-List: Europa ICAO designator? Anyone know the ICAO designator (if any) for Europa? Or, what do you commonly use which is accepted when e.g. filing flight plans? Thanks in advance, Svein "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List"http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Europa-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribu tion -- 11/09/2006 -- 11/09/2006 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:46:18 PM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: landinglight. --> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" Hi Ron Sorry for delay - I was a week in an archipelago having a camp school with 23 about 11 years old kids, among them my daughter Arla... Landing light: it is installed through light alloy air duct below prop. It is looking up (7 degrees!) when on the ground (monowheel!) but about levelled when flying some day. High voltage ballast has been installed on the firewall front of the pilots legs. By the way I fixed that Xenon by extraordinary way. No bolts and nuts at all - only by Sikaflex 221 adhesive sealant system (I hardly can wait when my supervisor will see it!). The distance to the silencer is about 30 mm and I am little worried. Maybe I have to put some heat barrier between them. Taxi light: it is installed on the co-pilot side fire wall (yes - inside the cowlings!). It is lurking through that extra Naca inlet which locates stbd side, lower cowling (I have no turbo so I hope it is extra for me!). The ballast is fixed on the side stiffener of the cooling air duct. When on the taxi position, the hottest spot of that light beam is about 15 metres front of the plane. I was there playing games with them last night and really they were like sun itself - two of them. I estimate those 35 W Xenons are equal like 500 W halogen lights in my work shop. The light beam reaches more than 100 m /300 feets. Still I can keep my hand on the glass of the Xenon w/o burn, it is almost cool. Noise problem? I suppose you are talking about radio problems or what? Honestly I do not know yet, my radios has been tested before Xenons. When connecting on the Xenons man can hear quite a sexy sound for a while but not very long, unfortunately. I took some pics and let you know the link soon, hope tomorrow. My highly recommendation... Regards, Raimo ========== Raimo M W Toivio OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417 OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk OH-BLL Beechcraft C45 w radial engines (grounded) 37500 Lempaala Finland tel + 358 3 3753 777 fax + 358 3 3753 100 gsm + 358 40 590 1450 raimo.toivio@rwm.fi www.rwm.fi ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: landinglight. > --> Europa-List message posted by: > > Hello Raimo > > "I have Hella Xenon-lights, both landing and taxilights. > They are extremely powerfull, long-life enough, vibration resistant and > take only 3A. > Also its size is reasonable,the lenght is about 100 mm and diameter about > 50 mm you can purchase round or square model if you like). > Of course they heavier than those led-toys but less than man can guess." > > Where did you install them in your Europa? > Have a picture? > Any noise problems? > > Thx. > Ron Parigoris > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:55 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Wing Walk Tape From: "steve v." --> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." Hi, has anyone got approximate dimentions for placing the wing walk tape or a picture of the upper wing surface ,i cant seem to find it in the manual , also , the factory tape is white, has anyone used black? steve vestuti #573 ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:08:54 PM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Landing Lights --> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" Dear Karl, in my case the night flight is the best part of flying. And in Finland when it is dark it is really dark. And almost all the runways are unlit and those with lights are saving energy... I have to say when landing in the night and your plane falls to the total darkness between trees you miss good light. That is Xenon light. The 100 W halogen bulb of my Cessnas landing light is like grand mamas candle lantern when comparing to the 35 W Xenon. And for those day-time-only-pilots landing light is extra safety. When on you are very visible. For me personally those lights are necessary. No matter how much they cost, drink or weigh. "I wish (some Xenon) light for the people which wanders in the darkness" Regards, Raimo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Heindl" Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 9:33 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Landing Lights > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Karl Heindl" > > > I remember John Hurst saying: what do you need landing lights for ? He was a > frequent night flyer. > Why carry that extra junk when 99.9 % of the time you are flying at daytime > anyway. And you are unlikely to land on an unlit runway. > > do not archive > > > > > >From: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu > >To: europa-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Europa-List: Landing Lights > >Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 11:55:33 -0400 > > > > There are substantial differences (orders of magnitude) in light flux > >between what is useful > >as a recognition or anti-collision light and a useful landing light. I > >have been looking for years > >at automotive auxillary halogen lights (the 35 or 50 watt) variety and > >even bought two > >different pairs to evaluate. In my opinion, they are not useful as actual > >landing lights. > > > >Landing lights like the GE 4509 PAR are just much more bright and > >appropriately collimated > >to the specific task by the reflector housing. > > > >I mentioned last year that Lo Presti Speed Merchants have GA (TSO quality > >for retrofit to commercial) > >Xenon systems for approximately $350 for the homebuilt version. The offer > >is still good as of Oshkosh 06. > >Xenon is really the best way to go at present, very long life, vibration > >resistant, a quarter or less current > >draw vs the old GE, and no RFI with appropriate shielding. > > > >Certainly for a Nose Gear mount, Xenon would be first choice. > > > >Ira N224XS > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:36:12 PM PST US From: "R.C.Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wing Walk Tape --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" Hi! Steve You must only use white. Any colour on upper structural surface will cause a heat build up threatening the structural strength. Can't help with official dimensions. Regards Bob Harrison -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve v. Sent: 11 September 2006 22:02 Subject: Europa-List: Wing Walk Tape --> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." Hi, has anyone got approximate dimentions for placing the wing walk tape or a picture of the upper wing surface ,i cant seem to find it in the manual , also , the factory tape is white, has anyone used black? steve vestuti #573 ---------------- Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:43:07 PM PST US From: "Karl Heindl" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Landing Lights --> Europa-List message posted by: "Karl Heindl" Dear Raimo, I am very happy for you, I didn't really want to be critical. Actually, I did install allthe wiring etc. for landing lights, but then never found a strong reason to install the light itself. Those xenon lights really seem the business. I am not brave enough to fly at night, although I had the training. In the US, where I got my original licence in Colorado, night flying is very popular, but there are long runways almost everywhere within gliding distance. It was fun to turn the airport lights on and off to check your position. But then, if you fly into Oshkosh, they tell you to turn off your lights. Best regards, karl >From: "Raimo Toivio" >To: >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Landing Lights >Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:15:28 +0300 > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" > >Dear Karl, > >in my case the night flight >is the best part of flying. >And in Finland when it is dark >it is really dark. And almost >all the runways are unlit and >those with lights are saving energy... > >I have to say when landing in the night >and your plane falls to the total darkness >between trees you miss good light. >That is Xenon light. > >The 100 W halogen bulb of my Cessnas >landing light is like grand mamas candle >lantern when comparing to the 35 W Xenon. > >And for those day-time-only-pilots landing >light is extra safety. When on you are very >visible. > >For me personally those lights are necessary. >No matter how much they cost, drink or weigh. > >"I wish (some Xenon) light for the people >which wanders in the darkness" > >Regards, Raimo >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Karl Heindl" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 9:33 PM >Subject: RE: Europa-List: Landing Lights > > > > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Karl Heindl" > > > > > > I remember John Hurst saying: what do you need landing lights for ? He >was a > > frequent night flyer. > > Why carry that extra junk when 99.9 % of the time you are flying at >daytime > > anyway. And you are unlikely to land on an unlit runway. > > > > do not archive > > > > > > > > > > >From: irampil@notes.cc.sunysb.edu > > >To: europa-list@matronics.com > > >Subject: Europa-List: Landing Lights > > >Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 11:55:33 -0400 > > > > > > There are substantial differences (orders of magnitude) in light >flux > > >between what is useful > > >as a recognition or anti-collision light and a useful landing light. I > > >have been looking for years > > >at automotive auxillary halogen lights (the 35 or 50 watt) variety and > > >even bought two > > >different pairs to evaluate. In my opinion, they are not useful as >actual > > >landing lights. > > > > > >Landing lights like the GE 4509 PAR are just much more bright and > > >appropriately collimated > > >to the specific task by the reflector housing. > > > > > >I mentioned last year that Lo Presti Speed Merchants have GA (TSO >quality > > >for retrofit to commercial) > > >Xenon systems for approximately $350 for the homebuilt version. The >offer > > >is still good as of Oshkosh 06. > > >Xenon is really the best way to go at present, very long life, >vibration > > >resistant, a quarter or less current > > >draw vs the old GE, and no RFI with appropriate shielding. > > > > > >Certainly for a Nose Gear mount, Xenon would be first choice. > > > > > >Ira N224XS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:17 PM PST US From: Rman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing Walk Tape --> Europa-List message posted by: Rman I placed mine approx. 1" from the flap closeout. Jeff - Baby Blue steve v. wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." > >Hi, has anyone got approximate dimentions for placing the wing walk tape >or a picture of the upper wing surface ,i cant seem to find it in the manual , >also , the factory tape is white, has anyone used black? > >steve vestuti #573 >---------------- >Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:32 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: landinglight. From: --> Europa-List message posted by: Hello Raimo "Landing light / Taxi light" Thx. for the info! Do not archive Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:43 PM PST US From: "Tom Friedland" <96victor@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing Walk Tape Hi Steve I have heard that clear w/w tape available from AC Spruce is better than the supplies stuff. Tom N96V XS mono On 9/11/06, Rman wrote: > > --> Europa-List message posted by: Rman > > I placed mine approx. 1" from the flap closeout. > > Jeff > - Baby Blue > > steve v. wrote: > > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." > > > >Hi, has anyone got approximate dimentions for placing the wing walk tape > >or a picture of the upper wing surface ,i cant seem to find it in the > manual , > >also , the factory tape is white, has anyone used black? > > > >steve vestuti #573 > >---------------- > >Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:26 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: Re: Europa-List: prop bolts --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" > Sorry to be so slow on the uptake, and apologies, Svein, for casting doubt > on your suggestion! Rowland, If it makes you feel any better, I'm glad you asked the question. I have known for some time (since purchasing my Airmaster) about the spanner trick but didn't understand how (or why) it worked. The diagram posted by Svein and your second posting combined sorted it out for me so I am pleased to be able to say I now understand the principle and conseqently will now be able to remember it. I just wasn't game to ask for fear of getting foot in mouth disease. So thanks again Rowland and to you too Svein. Regards Kingsley in Oz. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:32 PM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing Walk Tape --> Europa-List message posted by: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Steve, One of the nice things about building our own aircraft is that we can introduce the small personal touches here and there: Instead of wing walk tape, which I fear will accumulate dust and dirt over time (the purpose is to put your shoes on it, right?) I bought two suitably sized pieces of dark blue anti-skid table cloth (like very open knit, made of synthetic material) at a boating store, sewed a one inch wide piece of red baggage strap to them, with the other end of the strap tied inside the luggage bay. Easy to reach from outside to put in place for entering the cockpit, and impossible to forget to take in before take-off because you cannot close the door with the red strap hanging over the lower sill. When parked, the entire white wing shines white. Best regards, Svein ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve v." Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 11:02 PM Subject: Europa-List: Wing Walk Tape > --> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." > > Hi, has anyone got approximate dimentions for placing the wing walk tape > or a picture of the upper wing surface ,i cant seem to find it in the > manual , > also , the factory tape is white, has anyone used black? > > steve vestuti #573 > ---------------- > Visit EuropaOwnersForum http://www.europaowners.org/ > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:39 PM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa ICAO designator? EUPA it is - thank you very much to all! Best regards, Svein