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1. 01:33 AM - Re: First flight LN-SKJ (steve v.)
2. 01:33 AM - new memsec [was: First flight LN-SKJ] (Rowland Carson)
3. 02:22 AM - Re: *** SPAM *** First flight LN-SKJ (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
4. 02:25 AM - Re: Heat exchanger for the XS Europa (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
5. 02:58 AM - Re: Heat exchanger for the XS Europa (G-IANI)
6. 05:19 AM - Re: Heat exchanger for the XS Europa (Karl Heindl)
7. 07:43 AM - Re: PROBABLE SPAM> Europa ICAO designator? (Paul McAllister)
8. 08:36 AM - Re: Heat exchanger for the XS Europa (Don Heath)
9. 09:44 AM - Re: Nosewheel shimmy (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
10. 12:26 PM - Heat exchanger for the XS Europa (=?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9mi_Guerner?=)
11. 12:31 PM - Re: First flight LN-SKJ ()
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| Subject: | RE: First flight LN-SKJ |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v." <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
Hi Svein, Well done & congratulations on your first flight , after
4 years and 9 months it must be a terrific feeling!
Steve vestuti #573
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| Subject: | new memsec [was: First flight LN-SKJ] |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2006-09-15 21:29 +0300 Jos Okhuijsen wrote:
>Can't imagine how a secretary can do his job without pen, paper, a
>computer and internet
Jos - he is struggling a bit - but it's not his fault! His broadband
connexion has gone down for reasons outside his control, and he has
rigged up a temporary dial-up connexion until the contractor can sort
out the problem (estimated several days away still).
Anyway, people should know that the address
<memsec@europaclub.org.uk> will still reach the right person, and
appropriate responses will materialise in due course!
regards
Rowland
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| Rowland Carson (former Europa Club Membership Secretary)
| e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
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| Subject: | Re: First flight LN-SKJ |
The offset in the flap operating tube doesn't help either, ensuring that
one flap (the s'bd side) is closed with greater force than the other. I
don't understand why up stops (and down stops) are not part of the
standard build anyway; in accordance with good practice.
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: Justin Kennedy
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:14 AM
Subject: *** SPAM *** Europa-List: First flight LN-SKJ
Well done Svein. Nothing quite like that feeling?
I have been flying mine for a year and I still have the grin. It may
need to be surgically removed.
On the subject of the "heavy" left wing.
My monowheel G-ZTED had a heavy right wing and I went through all the
aileron trim device ideas.
Simon Smith was doing his test flying in his new Trigear at our
airfield at Perth (Scotland not Australia) and he had the same.
He told me that he had just put a few mixing sticks behind the flap on
the heavy side so that it did not retract the last wee bit and that
solved it. He will no doubt fit a more permanent arrangement.
As a result of this Pearl of Wisdom (thanks Simon) I then spent an
afternoon making my left wing flap retract forwards a further 3mm by
taking off a few high spots on the top of the flap close out and sanding
down the stops I had put in. I found the high spots by sliding old
fashioned typists carbon paper behind the closed flap. I am told if the
flaps are retracted slightly more than the design position you get more
speed. Well, I don't know about that but I have completely solved the
heavy wing problem. No need for aileron trim and the associated
weight/complication/mod permission that goes with it.
I am no expert but this did seem like a neat solution. I think I am
right in saying that the build the accuracy of the closed flap is what
determines the setting of the fully retracted position. The 3mm for and
aft translates to slightly less than 2mm up and down at the trailing
edge. This built in inaccuracy made for a heavy enough wing to spoil the
fun. All better now.
I still can't believe how much fun this aeroplane is to fly.
Justin Kennedy
G-ZTED Europa Classic Monowheel 912S Airmaster
Edinburgh
Scotland
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| Subject: | Re: Heat exchanger for the XS Europa |
Another way is to route fresh cold air from the front of the cowl back
to the firewall/cockpit using the very lightweight corrugated aluminium
vent tube used on automotives. This picks up heat (by exchange process)
as it passes through the hot (c.60C) cowl space. May not work in
extremes of climate?
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: karelvranken
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Heat exchanger for the XS Europa
Nigel,
Every builder, I think, is interested in cabin heating if....if.
Technicaly it has to be simple. Practicaly easy to execute and without
sacrificing other good arrangements. Not to much added weight. Easy in
usage and comfort, and last but not least, not to expensif.
Before placing an order I would like to have more information.
Karel Vranken.
# 447 F-PKRL XS mono 912ULS Airmaster 332 passed last control and
waiting for "Laisser passer" for first flight in Sedan.
----- Original Message -----
From: nigel charles
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 11:21 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Heat exchanger for the XS Europa
The manufacturer for the Europa exhaust has shown interest in
producing a heat exchanger box to be fitted to the XS version of the
aircraft. Before they move forward and design the product they want to
find out how much of a market there is for such a device. Obviously it
is only worth their while if enough owners would buy one. Any one who is
interested should email me so I can give the manufacturer an idea of the
numbers involved.
Regards
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Re: Heat exchanger for the XS Europa |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
I have just reviewed the correspondence on cabin heat and following a
conversation with Andy Draper this week a few points seem worth making.
I also have the cooling duct off my aircraft at present and thought it
was a good idea to do something like this while I had it in bits.
I had a long talk with Andy Draper this week (now with the PFA). He has
been given the job of sorting out the mess of Standard Mod applications
that has built up due to the staff leaving the PFA. This is very good
news for us UK flyer/builders. With Andy's help I hope we can progress
the standard mods that have been sitting with the PFA for just on a
year. I, with Andy's help, will also look at other mods that should
become standard (or even Factory as with the tri gear springs) and a
standard mod for cabin heat seems a very good idea. As part of this we
will ensure that the mods are accessible, to all, via the PFA web site.
This was supposed to have been done month ago but again a PFA problem.
The 914 exhaust is a Rotax part so is not going to be involved in any
work CKT do with the 912 system they produce.
The idea of a heat exchanger off the exhaust strikes my as "spam can"
technology with the risks of CO and incoming air at temperatures far
higher than you really need.
(by the way Alan, an intercooler is used to reduce the temperature of
the incoming "charge" air not to keep engine temps down.)
The XS has a very suitable source of nicely warm (70 deg C) air behind
the water/oil radiators (Sorry Classic owners but this did start as an
XS topic)
As Rob Housman has said "What the Europa factory forgot was the
necessary ducting to get warmed air into the cockpit". Thanks for
posting the details via Matronics. It is not up as of now (Sat 10.00Z)
but I look forward to seeing them.
In particular the stainless steel "fire door" that will shut off the air
flow to the cockpit (at the firewall) if there is a fire within the
cowling (fusible link) seems like a very good feature. Yes to totally
eliminate the burst heat exchanger allowing hot liquid into the cabin
air stream is difficult. However the design of the intake to the SCAT
tube (and a vertical section of the SCAT tube) should minimize ingestion
of liquids into the cabin air. If you have some sort of air box in the
top of the foot well this could also be designed as a liquid trap.
Mike Parkin has pointed out "G-JULZ has a cockpit heater based on the
hot air behind the radiators being ducted, via bulkhead shutoff valves,
into the cockpit. All PFA approved". Mike could you please let me have
details of the mod or at least the Mod number so I can get it from the
PFA.
I have Paul McAllister's picture of his take off from the duct but a few
more details of the flap hinge duct etc would be greatly appreciated.
Gilles your details on the cooling duct research are great but do you
have any details on the ducting?
Does anyone else have a solution to this problem? All ideas are
welcome.
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
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| Subject: | Re: Heat exchanger for the XS Europa |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Karl Heindl" <kheindl@msn.com>
Yes, Duncan and Ian, there is an idea I had for a long time but haven't had
a chance to try it out. It is extremely simple but would only be of interest
to those of you who have that ducting shroud over the top of their engine.
The temperature under that shroud is 32C degrees above oat.
All you need is : two aluminum flanges, one eyeball vent, four nuts and
bolts four rivets, and a piece of scat tube.
One flange is riveted on top of the port side of the shroud , first making
a hole in it of course, the second goes on top of the footwell next to the
vertical firewall, and is bolted together with the eyeball vent on the
inside. The vent is difficult to reach once you are strapped in, but is good
enough for me.
Tha vast majority of builders don't need extreme heat, and I can't afford to
fly in the middle of winter (hangar space needed etc.) , but there is a need
for cabin heat on cold days and at altitude.
I don't think the PFA would have a problem with that mod. It is all clean
fresh air and no liquids.
Karl
>From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Heat exchanger for the XS Europa
>Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 10:25:02 +0100
>
>Another way is to route fresh cold air from the front of the cowl back to
>the firewall/cockpit using the very lightweight corrugated aluminium vent
>tube used on automotives. This picks up heat (by exchange process) as it
>passes through the hot (c.60C) cowl space. May not work in extremes of
>climate?
>
>Duncan McF.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: karelvranken
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Heat exchanger for the XS Europa
>
>
> Nigel,
> Every builder, I think, is interested in cabin heating if....if.
>Technicaly it has to be simple. Practicaly easy to execute and without
>sacrificing other good arrangements. Not to much added weight. Easy in
>usage and comfort, and last but not least, not to expensif.
> Before placing an order I would like to have more information.
> Karel Vranken.
> # 447 F-PKRL XS mono 912ULS Airmaster 332 passed last control and
>waiting for "Laisser passer" for first flight in Sedan.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nigel charles
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 11:21 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: Heat exchanger for the XS Europa
>
>
> The manufacturer for the Europa exhaust has shown interest in
>producing a heat exchanger box to be fitted to the XS version of the
>aircraft. Before they move forward and design the product they want to find
>out how much of a market there is for such a device. Obviously it is only
>worth their while if enough owners would buy one. Any one who is interested
>should email me so I can give the manufacturer an idea of the numbers
>involved.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Nigel Charles
>
>
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| Subject: | Europa ICAO designator? |
I believe the designator is EUPA. The US system recognizes this as an
Europa. - Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Sidsel & Svein
Johnsen
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 12:37 PM
To: Europa List
Subject: PROBABLE SPAM> Europa-List: Europa ICAO designator?
Anyone know the ICAO designator (if any) for Europa? Or, what do you
commonly use which is accepted when e.g. filing flight plans?
Thanks in advance,
Svein
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| Subject: | Re: Heat exchanger for the XS Europa |
nigel charles wrote:
> The manufacturer for the Europa exhaust has shown interest in
> producing a heat exchanger box to be fitted to the XS version of the
> aircraft. Before they move forward and design the product they want to
> find out how much of a market there is for such a device. Obviously it
> is only worth their while if enough owners would buy one. Any one who
> is interested should email me so I can give the manufacturer an idea
> of the numbers involved.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Nigel Charles
>
>*I am interested in heat exchanger you mention.
>*
>
Don Heath
1015 Eddy Lane
Eau Claire, Wi. 54703 USA
>*
>
>*
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nosewheel shimmy |
Dave, Richard, Jack,
Thank you very much for info on where to buy the Nyeogel - will check it
out.
I have now landed with the shimmy friction tightened up as per the
Builders Manual - no shimmy and the steering is not a problem.
Best regards,
Svein
LN-SKJ
do not archive
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| Subject: | Heat exchanger for the XS Europa |
Nigel,
I am very interested
Remi Guerner
The manufacturer for the Europa exhaust has shown interest in producing
a heat exchanger box to be fitted to the XS version
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| Subject: | First flight LN-SKJ |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
The first flight was duly recorded on the same day as received, Jos. My
internet connnection was down and I had to go elswhere to receive messages
but unable to send . The pen and paper are working fine but the technology
occasionally beats me. You are very welcome to take over the job any time
:.)
Belated congratulations, Svein, My first flight was not too long ago and I
am still smiling.
Brian Davies
New membership secretary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jos Okhuijsen
Sent: 15 September 2006 19:29
Subject: Re: Europa-List: First flight LN-SKJ
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Hi Rowland,
> Davies. His internet connexion is wonky at present, but I'm sure he'll
> catch up with this soon.
But he can allready write and read eh?
Sorry, but this does not really sound good, hope it is not typical. Can't
imagine how a secretary can do his job without pen, paper, a computer and
internet.
--
Kind Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
workshopcam http://www.okhuijsen.org/plane http:www.europaowners.org/kit600
mono xs, top on, gear in, tail wheel in, wings set, flapdrive in, tail
closed, tailwheel in, tail top in, blue stuff filled, sanded and primed,
fuel system in, doors done, windows in, sanding and filling the fuse and
wings.
--
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