---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/26/06: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:19 AM - Technical Counselor in Chicago for Europa Build (Brad Shafer) 2. 07:52 AM - Re: FW: Flying is good! (GLENN CROWDER) 3. 08:01 AM - Re: FW: Flying is good! (Ralph Hallett) 4. 09:29 AM - Re: Technical Counselor in Chicago for Europa Build (Graham Singleton) 5. 09:31 AM - Re: FW: Flying is good! (Graham Singleton) 6. 11:36 AM - the ultimate ventilator (josok) 7. 04:06 PM - Re: FW: Flying is good! (Steve Crimm) 8. 04:46 PM - Re: Ultimate Ventilator (rlborger) 9. 05:21 PM - Re: FW: Flying is good! (Graham Singleton) 10. 05:55 PM - Re: FW: Flying is good! (SPurpura@aol.com) 11. 06:32 PM - Re: FW: Flying is good! (Tom Friedland) 12. 08:43 PM - aileron fitting to wing (Fred Klein) 13. 11:13 PM - Re: FW: Flying is good! (nigel charles) 14. 11:34 PM - Re: FW: Flying is good! (Tim Ward) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:48 AM PST US From: Brad Shafer Subject: Europa-List: Technical Counselor in Chicago for Europa Build Any one know a EAA Technical Counselor in Chicago that is familiar with Europas? The list from EAA is long for this area. Brad

 

 

Any one know a EAA Technical Counselor in Chicago that is familiar with Europas?  The list from EAA is long for this area.

Brad




________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:45 AM PST US From: "GLENN CROWDER" Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: Flying is good! --> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" Hey Steve thats fantastic! On my mono, 18 lbs tire pressure turns it into a C172 for landing. Anything more and it turns into a squirrely ass POS! I really think it has a lot to do with outrigger height off the ground. If you always get the tailwheel down first, then the wing is done flying and the outriggers will be closer to the ground as the wing is no longer flexing up, allowing less shenanigans on the roll out. My outriggers just barely touch the ground sitting on the tarmac with no load. I find too that with a passenger, the outriggers are even lower and landings are a yawner. Glenn >From: "Steve Hagar" >To: "europa-list" >Subject: Europa-List: FW: Flying is good! >Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:40:04 -0700 > > >Steve Hagar >hagargs@earthlink.net > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Steve Hagar >To: europa-list >Sent: 9/26/2006 5:14:19 PM >Subject: Flying is good! > > >I put almost 3 hours on N40SH yesterday. It was a fairly cool morning, >at least for Arizona. I actually had to leave the choke on for about a >minute to warm it up. Up to now choke for start then push it right in. >The 914 has started first time and every time so far. Take offs do not seem >to pose any problem just require more concentration than a nose dragger. >The high powersetting and slipstream give good rudder authority and you >lift off before getting in any real trouble. I have yet to take off under >full boost, just no need to even with a good load. > >Landings however would be hair raising if I had any hair. I have not come >close to ground looping but there is a lot of squawling tire and rubber >smell with left and right action. You have to read the situation good and >I have has some windy ones. Though it is entirely learnable. It took me >11 hours of straight touch and goes when I had my initial tailwheel >training. About at that time the eyes, ass, and feet figured out how to >handle the situations. It just possibly will take the same in the >Monowheel. I have been spending time up to now checking stability, stall >characteristics and working out bugs after each flight. Several touch and >goes get thrown in at the end of each flight. Next flights will involve >intense T & G's at different fields in my flying areas. The biggest being >150 ft wide and the smallest being 50 ft wide. > >The plane motored effortlessly up to 12,500ft without overtemping. The air >is cool (50F) and smooth up there even over the desert. 125 to 130 kt >cruises at lower altitudes were accomplished at 31" of MP though I wasn't >trying for any speed runs. Did not stay long at high alt, just wanted to >check it out, I need an O2 bottle for that to verify 17,500 ft cruising >characteristics. > >Pulled into the gas station on the way home and bought 11 gallons of high >test of $2.45/ gal for 2.8 hours of flying. Now if I only had a hangar so >I wouldn't have to drag this thing around. > >Steve Hagar >A143 N40SH >Flying off the hours. > > >Steve Hagar >hagargs@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:11 AM PST US From: Ralph Hallett Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: Flying is good! --> Europa-List message posted by: Ralph Hallett Steve, Dave Anderson,( xs914 motorglider Minden, NV), he was quick to point out tire pressure could be a problem. He said, high pressures would contribute to wild handling on landings and that lower tire pressures greatly improved the situation. I will fwd your note on to him, he no longer follows the list, so he can get back to you with his findings. Ralph Steve Hagar wrote: > > > Steve Hagar > hagargs@earthlink.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Steve Hagar > *To: *europa-list > *Sent:* 9/26/2006 5:14:19 PM > *Subject:* Flying is good! > > I put almost 3 hours on N40SH yesterday. It was a fairly cool > morning, at least for Arizona. I actually had to leave the choke > on for about a minute to warm it up. Up to now choke for start > then push it right in. The 914 has started first time and every > time so far. Take offs do not seem to pose any problem just > require more concentration than a nose dragger. The high > powersetting and slipstream give good rudder authority and you > lift off before getting in any real trouble. I have yet to take > off under full boost, just no need to even with a good load. > > Landings however would be hair raising if I had any hair. I have > not come close to ground looping but there is a lot of squawling > tire and rubber smell with left and right action. You have to > read the situation good and I have has some windy ones. Though > it is entirely learnable. It took me 11 hours of straight touch > and goes when I had my initial tailwheel training. About at that > time the eyes, ass, and feet figured out how to handle the > situations. It just possibly will take the same in the > Monowheel. I have been spending time up to now checking > stability, stall characteristics and working out bugs after each > flight. Several touch and goes get thrown in at the end of each > flight. Next flights will involve intense T & G's at different > fields in my flying areas. The biggest being 150 ft wide and the > smallest being 50 ft wide. > > The plane motored effortlessly up to 12,500ft without > overtemping. The air is cool (50F) and smooth up there even over > the desert. 125 to 130 kt cruises at lower altitudes were > accomplished at 31" of MP though I wasn't trying for any speed > runs. Did not stay long at high alt, just wanted to check it > out, I need an O2 bottle for that to verify 17,500 ft cruising > characteristics. > > Pulled into the gas station on the way home and bought 11 gallons > of high test of $2.45/ gal for 2.8 hours of flying. Now if I > only had a hangar so I wouldn't have to drag this thing around. > > Steve Hagar > A143 N40SH > Flying off the hours. > > > > > Steve Hagar > hagargs@earthlink.net > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:29:22 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Technical Counselor in Chicago for Europa Build --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton Yes Jim Price, he was the TC for Thomas Scherer, the cross Pacific to Mongolia Europa Classic. Jim lives at Pontiac nearer Detroit so that may be a bot far. He did come to Derbyshire UK to check out my Long EZ ;-) Graham Brad Shafer wrote: > > > > > Any one know a EAA Technical Counselor in Chicago that is familiar > with Europas? The list from EAA is long for this area. > > Brad > >*=========================================================* > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:31:29 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: Flying is good! --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton Glenn lower tire pressure means a bigger slip angle on the ground and that will make the initial grab in yaw less agressive also. I think you'r right about the outriggers, less wobble when they are both firmly on the ground. Graham GLENN CROWDER wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" > > > Hey Steve thats fantastic! > On my mono, 18 lbs tire pressure turns it into a C172 for landing. > Anything more and it > turns into a squirrely ass POS! I really think it has a lot to do > with outrigger height off the > ground. If you always get the tailwheel down first, then the wing is > done flying and the > outriggers will be closer to the ground as the wing is no longer > flexing up, allowing less > shenanigans on the roll out. My outriggers just barely touch the > ground sitting on the tarmac with no load. I find too that with a > passenger, the outriggers are even lower and landings are a > yawner. > Glenn ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:34 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: the ultimate ventilator From: "josok" Decided that these would be the ventilators for me. Although i have a deep rooted distrust to anything that is called perfect or ultimate :-) But: Although there are countersunk screws supplied with the unit, there is no thread in the holes. There remains also a small gap between the valve and the body of the unit. The ventilaters are unpainted, blanc aluminium. Do i have some rejects or is this normal for these ultimate articles? Kind Regards, Jos Okhuijsen ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:06:15 PM PST US From: "Steve Crimm" Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: Flying is good! --> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" So what would be the minimum air pressure? Max of 18 and a minimum of ??? Steve N42AH --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton --> Glenn lower tire pressure means a bigger slip angle on the ground and that will make the initial grab in yaw less agressive also. I think you'r right about the outriggers, less wobble when they are both firmly on the ground. Graham GLENN CROWDER wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" > > > Hey Steve thats fantastic! > On my mono, 18 lbs tire pressure turns it into a C172 for landing. > Anything more and it > turns into a squirrely ass POS! I really think it has a lot to do > with outrigger height off the ground. If you always get the tailwheel > down first, then the wing is done flying and the outriggers will be > closer to the ground as the wing is no longer flexing up, allowing > less > shenanigans on the roll out. My outriggers just barely touch the > ground sitting on the tarmac with no load. I find too that with a > passenger, the outriggers are even lower and landings are a yawner. > Glenn ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:11 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Ultimate Ventilator From: rlborger Jos, I know that Rich Schultz has them installed in his machine and he says they work very well. I have a pair for installation in my aircraft one of these days (pics on my build site). They are plain aluminum, not painted. They close very well, without any gaps. I don't remember right now if the holes are threaded or not. And being in Houston until the 6th I can't just run out and check. If you don't have an answer by then, I'll check mine and let you know. Good building and great flying, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done. Baggage bay in. Flaps & Main Gear complete. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing. Airmaster arrived 29 Sep 05. Seat arrived from Oregon Aero. E04 interior kit has arrived. Preparing for ROTAX 914 installation. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:21 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: Flying is good! --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton 17 psi? :-[ Graham Steve Crimm wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" > >So what would be the minimum air pressure? Max of 18 and a minimum of ??? > >Steve >N42AH > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:13 PM PST US From: SPurpura@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: Flying is good! I tried 18 psi and found it too mushy for me. I inflate to 24psi,have 360hrs on the same tire & original tube, no problem yet. Sam N77EU ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:25 PM PST US From: "Tom Friedland" <96victor@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: Flying is good! So maybe the problem is not the air pressure but as Glen suggest it is the outriggers distance from the ground? Suspicious! Tom On 9/26/06, SPurpura@aol.com wrote: > > I tried 18 psi and found it too mushy for me. I inflate to 24psi,have > 360hrs on the same tire & original tube, no problem yet. Sam N77EU > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:44 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: aileron fitting to wing From: Fred Klein --> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein Gentlemen, First, it's inspiring to read about flying experiences w/ our wonderful little birds...especially to one who has only recently been able to get down to some serious work on his XS mono kit. Care to take a stroll down memory lane? I've checked the archives on the subject of fitting the ailerons to the wing and found no previous posts which deal with the particular problem I've created for myself...indulge me for a moment. Fitting the starboard aileron to the wing seemed like a piece of cake...plenty of travel, no rubbing or snags. The port aileron has been a somewhat different story...the first thing I noticed after clecoing it in place was significant rubbing of the top surface on the trailing edge closeout. Then I noticed that the trailing edge of the port aileron was 1/8" short of the trailing tip of the wingtip, whereas the starboard aileron was 3/8" short of the wingtip. I also noticed that the offset between the flap closeout and the aileron closeout on the starboard wing was 1 inch but on the port wing it was 1.5 inches. The net result of these differences appeared to be that the starboard wing/aileron would have between 1/4 and 1/2 inch more chord that of the port wing. I found no references in the manual which noted this as a design feature; after taking numerous comparative measurements, it appeared that the aileron closeout and hinge line of the port wing was between 1/4 and 1/2 inch further aft than on the starboard wing. It appeared to me that a bit of trimming would equalize the wing area, and by moving the port aileron forward, I would reduce the rubbing between it and the closeout. Accordingly, I proceeded to trim (first) the lower trailing edge of the port wing and re-established the hinge rebates, trial fitted the aileron, and subsequently trimmed back the top trailing edge of the closeout. After remeasuring, I found I had two wing/ailerons of the same size. Ahh...that pesky law of unintended consequences!...for now I find that with "up" aileron, the leading edge of the aileron hits the inside surface of the closeout...and...I do not have the required amount of travel with "up" aileron limited to about 20 degrees. To dig myself out of this hole, I propose to shave back a portion of the leading edge of the aileron which is buried in the wing trailing edge closeout and re-glass as necessary. At this point, I'm wondering if I've been too anal retentive about having my wing/ailerons match (?)... whether others have noticed similar variations and let them be (?)...or whether my "fix" seems reasonable (?). Comments Please! Fred A194 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:35 PM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: Flying is good! --> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" Also watch for brake calliper rubbing against tyre sidewall especially during turns. If this happens it will leave a mark on the side of the tyre. Nigel Charles -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham Singleton Sent: 27 September 2006 01:23 Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: Flying is good! --> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton 17 psi? :-[ Graham Steve Crimm wrote: >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Crimm" > >So what would be the minimum air pressure? Max of 18 and a minimum of ??? > >Steve >N42AH > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:36 PM PST US From: "Tim Ward" Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: Flying is good! Likewise Sam, 18psi is too little and props too close to ground. I have mine at 26 psi. No control problems. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand Ph +64 3 3515166 Mobile 021 0640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: SPurpura@aol.com To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 12:53 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: Flying is good! I tried 18 psi and found it too mushy for me. I inflate to 24psi,have 360hrs on the same tire & original tube, no problem yet. Sam N77EU