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1. 05:43 AM - Ultimate Ventilators (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
2. 05:54 AM - Window scratches (Hans J. Danielsen)
3. 06:49 AM - Re: Window scratches (peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk)
4. 10:21 AM - Re: Ultimate Ventilators (josok)
5. 10:40 AM - Rotax 912 alternative engines DVD (Jon Croke)
6. 10:54 AM - Coolant temp reading by GRT EIS (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
7. 12:05 PM - Re: Coolant temp reading by GRT EIS (josok)
8. 12:24 PM - post curing (Raimo Toivio)
9. 12:52 PM - Re: aileron fitting to wing (Fred Klein)
10. 12:52 PM - Postings by Jos Okhuijsen (Kingsley Hurst)
11. 12:58 PM - Re: aileron fitting to wing (Rman)
12. 01:38 PM - Re: aileron fitting to wing (Fred Klein)
13. 01:53 PM - Re: Postings by Jos Okhuijsen (Jos Okhuijsen)
14. 04:08 PM - Window scratches (Paul McAllister)
15. 05:55 PM - Re: Ultimate Ventilators (SPurpura@aol.com)
16. 06:03 PM - Re: aileron fitting to wing (SPurpura@aol.com)
17. 06:35 PM - Re: aileron fitting to wing (William Daniell)
18. 06:39 PM - Re: Postings by Jos Okhuijsen (SteveD)
19. 07:28 PM - Re: Ultimate Ventilators (SteveD)
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| Subject: | Ultimate Ventilators |
In a message dated 9/27/2006 3:44:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
europa-list@matronics.com writes:
Hi Jos
Decided that these would be the ventilators for me. Although i have a deep
rooted
distrust to anything that is called perfect or ultimate :-)
But:
Although there are countersunk screws supplied with the unit, there is no
thread
in the holes. There remains also a small gap between the valve and the body
of the unit. The ventilaters are unpainted, blanc aluminium. Do i have some
rejects
or is this normal for these ultimate articles?
I have Ultimate Ventilators installed in N245E (and also in my Citabria
N9529S) ) and I love them! Aside from the price they are really great additions
and provide excellent ventilation.
I installed mine on either side just below the panel, essentially where most
folks install the crappy plastic NACA vents. I used the holes left by
mounting the fuselage into the cradle and enlarged them to fit the UV's. This
location gives a nice blast of air from your kneecaps to your face, even when
idling on the ground.
Mine were also unpainted and there was a slight gap between the outer ring
and the "valve". I think this gap is to allow for paint. I bonded mine in with
Redux, but you could use the screws provided if you tap the body or you
could do both.
I gurantee you are gonna love them!
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap, TN
N245E - Flying 37.0 hours - Should bust my 40 TODAY!
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| Subject: | Window scratches |
Hi all
After painting, a thorough inspection of my windows has revealed quite a
few marks and tiny scratches which I''m unable to get rid of. Everything
was smartly packed in before spraying, but I believe dust particles and
tiny bits must have sneaked in under the plastic wrapping when covering
everything. Yes - I know (now) I should have been more careful!!
The question is - how do I get rid of it? ACS has a few plexiglass
restoration polishes, but which one should I shoose?
Any ideas out there??
Cheers
Hans, #334, soon to be assembled.
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| Subject: | Window scratches |
--> Europa-List message posted by: peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk
Hi Hans
We've managed to get some pretty deep scratches out (and a lot of very light
ones too) using Novus (we used No 2 - it comes in 3 grades) - bit of Novus
on a clean rag and plenty of Elbow Grease (you can get that at most stockists!).
Peter
>-- Original Message --
>From: "Hans J. Danielsen" <hansjd@online.no>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Window scratches
>Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:53:25 +0200
>
>
>Hi all
>
>After painting, a thorough inspection of my windows has revealed quite a
>few marks and tiny scratches which I''m unable to get rid of. Everything
>was smartly packed in before spraying, but I believe dust particles and
tiny
>bits must have sneaked in under the plastic wrapping when covering everything.
>Yes - I know (now) I should have been more careful!!
>
>The question is - how do I get rid of it? ACS has a few plexiglass restoration
>polishes, but which one should I shoose?
>
>Any ideas out there??
>
>Cheers
>Hans, #334, soon to be assembled.
___________________________________________________________
Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup!
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/
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| Subject: | Re: Ultimate Ventilators |
As always, nice replies folks. Thanks for the answers. New question though: Do
or did you mount the ventilators flush to the outside surface, or accept a 2 to
3 mil (0.01") recess?
Kind Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
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| Subject: | Rotax 912 alternative engines DVD |
Of interest to anyone researching alternative engine choices to the
Rotax 912 ! (A targeted advertisement)
HomebuiltHelp has just released a new DVD that compiles
interviews/demonstrations from 7 engine vendors that compete with the
912 class of engine (Stratus Subaru, Jabiru, Rotec radial, AeroVee,
Wynne Corvair, Raven Redrive, and Great Plains VW).
This is a great one stop video catalog with footage contributed by these
vendors to HomebuiltHELP for the purpose of educating the homebuilder on
the most popular engine alternatives in the 80-120 hp range.
Complete details can be found at
http://homebuilthelp.com/The912Competition.htm
Thanks
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| Subject: | Coolant temp reading by GRT EIS |
Has anyone used one of the Aux. inputs to Grand Rapids EIS 4000 for
reading the coolant temperature by a probe into the coolant, with output
0-5 V?
Would appreciate details with respect to type of probe/where sourced and
where/how placed into the coolant.
Best regards,
Svein
LN-SKJ
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| Subject: | Re: Coolant temp reading by GRT EIS |
No answer sorry Svein, more questions:
I would like to to have multiple extra temp measurements, at least until i am satisfied
that my intended changes to the airflow under the cowlings are working
properly. I have seen car testers use an interface to a logging laptop
to that purpose, however where do i source such a thing?
Kind Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
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Somebody might be interested...
All my Europa=B4s parts are sanded and filled
and finally ready for painting and it was time
to compelete post curing process today and
so I decided to bake everything 10 hrs @ 50C.
I heated my whole garage (200 cubic metres)
with 9kW electric heater and 24 kW gas heater
(outside temp was around 15C).
Relative humidity inside was fixed 34% all the time.
The temperature of the down surfaces was
varying between 44-48C and top surfaces were
48-52C. All the flying surfaces + wings were
well supported. Fuselage was just on it=B4s wheels
+ side supporters.
I did not notice any changes in structures.
Because I was not brave enough, I were there
whole day long, mask on my face. I could not
leave them alone. Now I feel also cooked.
It was hard game to play...never never do it again!
Regards, Raimo
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Raimo M W Toivio
OH-XRT Europa XS Mono #417
OH-CVK C172 Skyhawk
OH-BLL Beechcraft C45 w radial engines (grounded)
37500 Lempaala
Finland
tel + 358 3 3753 777
fax + 358 3 3753 100
gsm + 358 40 590 1450
raimo.toivio@rwm.fi
www.rwm.fi
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| Subject: | Re: aileron fitting to wing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Lance,
Thanks for a heads up on Service Bulletin #10; after checking I find my
port wing has the aileron closeout mis-located as described. The
prescribed "fix" will be problematic since I have already applied the
reinforcement bids at the hinge points....not sure how to proceed but I
appreciate your input.
Fred
On Tuesday, September 26, 2006, at 09:29 PM, Lance Sandford wrote:
> Fred
>
> Did you check if your wings were part of the bodgey batch affected by
> the enclosed service bulletin.
> Good to hear you getting something done on your own toy for a change.
>
> I am on light duties at the moment, pottering around with the
> instrument panel. Managed to twist my knee while doing the lay-ups on
> the rear bulkhead to fuselage join. The baggage bay is no place for a
> 6 2 oldie. Makes me very glad I did a splash mold on top of the mass
> balance weight containment box etc, while I had the top off.
>
> Regards
>
> Lance Sandford in OZ
>
>>
>>
>> Gentlemen,
>>
>> First, it's inspiring to read about flying experiences w/ our
>> wonderful little birds...especially to one who has only recently been
>> able to get down to some serious work on his XS mono kit. Care to
>> take a stroll down memory lane?
>>
>> I've checked the archives on the subject of fitting the ailerons to
>> the wing and found no previous posts which deal with the particular
>> problem I've created for myself...indulge me for a moment.
>>
>> Fitting the starboard aileron to the wing seemed like a piece of
>> cake...plenty of travel, no rubbing or snags.
>>
>> The port aileron has been a somewhat different story...the first
>> thing I noticed after clecoing it in place was significant rubbing of
>> the top surface on the trailing edge closeout. Then I noticed that
>> the trailing edge of the port aileron was 1/8" short of the trailing
>> tip of the wingtip, whereas the starboard aileron was 3/8" short of
>> the wingtip.
>>
>> I also noticed that the offset between the flap closeout and the
>> aileron closeout on the starboard wing was 1 inch but on the port
>> wing it was 1.5 inches.
>>
>> The net result of these differences appeared to be that the starboard
>> wing/aileron would have between 1/4 and 1/2 inch more chord that of
>> the port wing. I found no references in the manual which noted this
>> as a design feature; after taking numerous comparative measurements,
>> it appeared that the aileron closeout and hinge line of the port wing
>> was between 1/4 and 1/2 inch further aft than on the starboard wing.
>> It appeared to me that a bit of trimming would equalize the wing
>> area, and by moving the port aileron forward, I would reduce the
>> rubbing between it and the closeout.
>>
>> Accordingly, I proceeded to trim (first) the lower trailing edge of
>> the port wing and re-established the hinge rebates, trial fitted the
>> aileron, and subsequently trimmed back the top trailing edge of the
>> closeout. After remeasuring, I found I had two wing/ailerons of the
>> same size.
>>
>> Ahh...that pesky law of unintended consequences!...for now I find
>> that with "up" aileron, the leading edge of the aileron hits the
>> inside surface of the closeout...and...I do not have the required
>> amount of travel with "up" aileron limited to about 20 degrees.
>>
>> To dig myself out of this hole, I propose to shave back a portion of
>> the leading edge of the aileron which is buried in the wing trailing
>> edge closeout and re-glass as necessary.
>>
>> At this point, I'm wondering if I've been too anal retentive about
>> having my wing/ailerons match (?)... whether others have noticed
>> similar variations and let them be (?)...or whether my "fix" seems
>> reasonable (?). Comments Please!
>>
>> Fred
>> A194
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| Subject: | Postings by Jos Okhuijsen |
All,
The body part of postings to this list by Jos yesterday and today have
come up blank on my screen. All other postings have been Ok. It has
happened on both my work and home computers but I note others seem to
have replied to his postings so assume they were able to read the
contents.
Is anybody else having this problem ? If not, does anybody have any
idea what is going on at my end ?
Ta
Kingsley in Oz
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| Subject: | Re: aileron fitting to wing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rman <topglock@cox.net>
Fred,
The rubbing on the closeouts and limited travel will be remedied when
you bond on the top skin. You'll simply trim the closeout to fit. My
ailerons were a tad short, too. I simply trimmed the wingtip to fit.
No problems, so far...
Jeff
Baby Blue
Fred Klein wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
> Gentlemen,
>
> First, it's inspiring to read about flying experiences w/ our
> wonderful little birds...especially to one who has only recently been
> able to get down to some serious work on his XS mono kit. Care to take
> a stroll down memory lane?
>
> I've checked the archives on the subject of fitting the ailerons to
> the wing and found no previous posts which deal with the particular
> problem I've created for myself...indulge me for a moment.
>
> Fitting the starboard aileron to the wing seemed like a piece of
> cake...plenty of travel, no rubbing or snags.
>
> The port aileron has been a somewhat different story...the first thing
> I noticed after clecoing it in place was significant rubbing of the
> top surface on the trailing edge closeout. Then I noticed that the
> trailing edge of the port aileron was 1/8" short of the trailing tip
> of the wingtip, whereas the starboard aileron was 3/8" short of the
> wingtip.
>
> I also noticed that the offset between the flap closeout and the
> aileron closeout on the starboard wing was 1 inch but on the port wing
> it was 1.5 inches.
>
> The net result of these differences appeared to be that the starboard
> wing/aileron would have between 1/4 and 1/2 inch more chord that of
> the port wing. I found no references in the manual which noted this as
> a design feature; after taking numerous comparative measurements, it
> appeared that the aileron closeout and hinge line of the port wing was
> between 1/4 and 1/2 inch further aft than on the starboard wing. It
> appeared to me that a bit of trimming would equalize the wing area,
> and by moving the port aileron forward, I would reduce the rubbing
> between it and the closeout.
>
> Accordingly, I proceeded to trim (first) the lower trailing edge of
> the port wing and re-established the hinge rebates, trial fitted the
> aileron, and subsequently trimmed back the top trailing edge of the
> closeout. After remeasuring, I found I had two wing/ailerons of the
> same size.
>
> Ahh...that pesky law of unintended consequences!...for now I find that
> with "up" aileron, the leading edge of the aileron hits the inside
> surface of the closeout...and...I do not have the required amount of
> travel with "up" aileron limited to about 20 degrees.
>
> To dig myself out of this hole, I propose to shave back a portion of
> the leading edge of the aileron which is buried in the wing trailing
> edge closeout and re-glass as necessary.
>
> At this point, I'm wondering if I've been too anal retentive about
> having my wing/ailerons match (?)... whether others have noticed
> similar variations and let them be (?)...or whether my "fix" seems
> reasonable (?). Comments Please!
>
> Fred
> A194
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: aileron fitting to wing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Hi Jeff,
I agree that the rubbing can be handled when I bond on the top skin;
however, the travel is restricted when the leading edge of the aileron
slams into the wing/aileron closeout with the aileron in the "up"
position (with only 20 degrees of travel)...this condition won't change
with the top skin bonded on. I'm currently looking for some
knowledgeable assurance that as long as I properly balance the aileron,
the possibility of flutter will be nil IF I shave back the leading edge
of the aileron (perhaps as much as 1/2 inch) in order to allow for the
required travel.
As for the wingtip extending aft of the trailing edge of the aileron,
I'll be quite content to trim back the wingtip as you have done.
Fred
A194
On Wednesday, September 27, 2006, at 12:59 PM, Rman wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Rman <topglock@cox.net>
>
> Fred,
>
> The rubbing on the closeouts and limited travel will be remedied when
> you bond on the top skin. You'll simply trim the closeout to fit. My
> ailerons were a tad short, too. I simply trimmed the wingtip to fit.
> No problems, so far...
>
> Jeff
> Baby Blue
>
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| Subject: | Re: Postings by Jos Okhuijsen |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Hi Kingsley and all,
These postings were made on the europaowners forum, and consequently
echoed to the Matronics list.
Checking the posting, it turns out to be in HTML only. If your email
client has HTML disabled (IMHO advisable) wou won't see anything but a
blank.
This has probably been a change since the latest software update on the
forum. Steve, can you change back to text only please? In the meanwhile
folks with blanks, read the messages on the forum (IMHO advisable) or
enable HTML temporarely.
Since this posting is done directly to the list, it won't be blank :-)
Sorry for the trouble caused,
Kind Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
workshopcam http://www.okhuijsen.org/plane
http:www.europaowners.org/kit600
mono xs, top on, gear in, tail wheel in, wings set, flapdrive in, tail
closed, tailwheel in, tail top in, blue stuff filled, sanded and primed,
fuel system in, doors done, windows in, sanding and filling the fuse and
wings.
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| Subject: | Window scratches |
Has,
I remember when I was doing some fit up around my doors I slipped with some
80 grit paper right across my side window.... it looked really bad. I used
the Micro Mesh system and it restored it to better than new looking.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Ultimate Ventilators |
John,can you post a pic of your vents?
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| Subject: | Re: aileron fitting to wing |
In a message dated 9/27/2006 1:40:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
fklein@orcasonline.com writes:
the travel is restricted when the leading edge of the aileron
slams into the wing/aileron closeout with the aileron in the "up"
position (with only 20 degrees of travel)
Can you elaborate on this Fred,mabey your hinge point is off or would triming
back the top skin or extending lower skin help?
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| Subject: | aileron fitting to wing |
just a thought - could it be the ends of the screws? For which you have to
drioll holes in the LE of the aileron
_____
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
SPurpura@aol.com
Sent: 27 September, 2006 20:03
Subject: Re: Europa-List: aileron fitting to wing
In a message dated 9/27/2006 1:40:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
fklein@orcasonline.com writes:
the travel is restricted when the leading edge of the aileron
slams into the wing/aileron closeout with the aileron in the "up"
position (with only 20 degrees of travel)
Can you elaborate on this Fred,mabey your hinge point is off or would
triming back the top skin or extending lower skin help?
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| Subject: | Re: Postings by Jos Okhuijsen |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Ooopps Sorry about that.. and I thought we made the swap with out a hitch.
I was so worried about the Gallery and getting all the photos working with the
new software I let this one slip. I saw the html postings and because I forgot
to put in the EuropaOwners tag I didn't associate it with the forum.
Should be all fixed now..
Chat later,
Steved
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| Subject: | Re: Ultimate Ventilators |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "SteveD" <Post2Forum@comcast.net>
Photos of the Ventilators:
http://www.europaowners.org/UVentilator
I decided to add the ventilators high like in the photos I took at flightcrafters
in 2001 ... I think. The photos don't look like that builder added any reinforcement.
I wasn't that brave, so I thought I'd and a layer of the Kevlar I had
laying around.
I drilled the whole on the starboard side cleaned and trimmed and did the kevlar
lay-up. The out side skin was thick and needed to be ground down in spots and
evened out.
When I drilled the whole port side the outer skin was one ply thick tops and in
spots only jell coat, a fairly large chunk of glass / jell just cracked and fell
off.
I sanded off the coating on the port side and I'll lay-up a little reinforcement
later.
So putting the ventilator in a slightly questionable spot was actually a good thing
for me.
I noticed the recess after I cut the first whole. So I think I'm stuck with it.
After I did that it looked to me that one could cut the larger whole on the out
side skin. A smaller odd shaped on the inside and have the vent flush with
the out side skin. ... just a thought.... But I'm sure if I apply the five day
rule I be happy with what I have.
5 Day Rule. Walk away don't look at it for 5 five days. When you look at it again
in 5 days if it still bothers you ... Fix it. Sometimes you're just to close
to something while working on it and you see every flaw.....
Chat Later,
Steved
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