Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:43 AM - Re: Postings by Jos Okhuijsen (Kingsley Hurst)
2. 02:43 AM - Re: the ultimate ventilator (Simon Smith)
3. 02:45 AM - Re: Coolant temp reading by GRT EIS (Simon Smith)
4. 03:15 AM - Re: Postings by Jos Okhuijsen (Jos Okhuijsen)
5. 03:55 AM - Re: Postings by Jos Okhuijsen (Jack Hilditch)
6. 08:52 AM - A Proud Announcement (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
7. 09:02 AM - Re: A Proud Announcement (Rman)
8. 09:14 AM - Re: Coolant temp reading by GRT EIS (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
9. 09:14 AM - Re: A Proud Announcement (Fred Klein)
10. 10:57 AM - Coolant temp. sensor (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
11. 11:52 AM - How to get a 914 Overhaul manual? ()
12. 12:19 PM - Re: How to get a 914 Overhaul manual? (William Daniell)
13. 01:34 PM - Re: How to get a 914 Overhaul manual? (Tony Krzyzewski)
14. 02:12 PM - Re: How to get a 914 Overhaul manual? (Gilles Thesee)
15. 02:25 PM - postings with encoding errors [was: Postings by Jos Okhuijsen] (Rowland Carson)
16. 02:27 PM - Re: How to get a 914 Overhaul manual? (Lance Sandford)
17. 03:18 PM - Fuel flow Check 916S (steve v)
18. 06:06 PM - Re: How to get a 914 Overhaul manual? (SPurpura@aol.com)
19. 06:22 PM - Re: postings with encoding errors [was: Postings by (josok)
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| Subject: | Postings by Jos Okhuijsen |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
> Since this posting is done directly to the list, it won't be blank :-)
You are so correct Jos ! I CAN indeed read this one.
You also said . . . "If your email client has HTML disabled (IMHO
advisable) you won't see anything but a blank."
I use Outlook at work and Outlook Express at home. To my knowledge, I
have never had any trouble receiving other HTML emails, it only seems to
happen on the ones from the list. I have had several blank ones from
the Aeroelectric list too and until now have always assumed the writers
had accidentally pressed the 'Send' key prematurely or accidentally. To
be honest, I don't know how to disable HTML in either Outlook or OE. On
googling however, I find there is an add-on available expressly for this
purpose.
Please pardon my ignorance but I am also unable to understand the
significance of having a 'forum' as well as the 'list' now. Is there a
major difference that makes one better than the other? If so, what
is/are the difference/s and why do we need both ?
Ok all you blokes/guys that say "don't you even know that ?" well no,
I'm sorry to say I don't !
If you can explain all this in a plain language that even a poor simple
ba$#%^& like me can understand, I would be much obliged thanks Jos.
Regards
Confused Kingsley
Please do not archive lest my ignorance be indelibly recorded in the
bowels of Matts computer !
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| Subject: | the ultimate ventilator |
Hi Jos,
I have fitted these to my Europa. I can confirm that the holes were not
threaded on mine. As for the gap, mine were quite tight (less than 0.5mm)
much the same as in pic 3 of 9 posted on EuropaOwners by Bob.
Mine are mounted lower down than Bob's and are roughly where most people
have the NACA vents. I mounted mine on the inside face of the outside skin
(if that makes sense!) This produced a very nice flush finish on the
outside.
Cheers
Simon
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of josok
Sent: 26 September 2006 19:35
Subject: Europa-List: the ultimate ventilator
Decided that these would be the ventilators for me. Although i have a deep
rooted distrust to anything that is called perfect or ultimate :-)
But:
Although there are countersunk screws supplied with the unit, there is no
thread in the holes. There remains also a small gap between the valve and
the body of the unit. The ventilaters are unpainted, blanc aluminium. Do i
have some rejects or is this normal for these ultimate articles?
Kind Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
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| Subject: | Coolant temp reading by GRT EIS |
Have a look at http://www.skydrive.co.uk/sd_sa_91.asp It might be what you
need.
Simon
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sidsel & Svein
Johnsen
Sent: 27 September 2006 18:54
Subject: Europa-List: Coolant temp reading by GRT EIS
Has anyone used one of the Aux. inputs to Grand Rapids EIS 4000 for reading
the coolant temperature by a probe into the coolant, with output 0-5 V?
Would appreciate details with respect to type of probe/where sourced and
where/how placed into the coolant.
Best regards,
Svein
LN-SKJ
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| Subject: | Re: Postings by Jos Okhuijsen |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jos Okhuijsen" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Hi Kinsley,
> Please pardon my ignorance but I am also unable to understand the
> significance of having a 'forum' as well as the 'list' now. Is there a
> major difference that makes one better than the other? If so, what
> is/are the difference/s and why do we need both ?
You asking me to put a stick in a beehive, because this easily leads to a
heated discussion, and it has nothing to do with Europas and flying. Ok,
i'll take the bait, but please folks, don't follow my mistake, mail me
personally and do not reply on the list.
One reason is that you will have to use your outlook, express or any other
mail program. If you don't carry a laptop around while travelling, you
will not be able to read your mail and see the messages from the list.
The forum however you access with a browser, on any computer anywhere in
the world.
The list carries your email address, and every spammer scans the lists for
new victems. You will get a lot of spam if you ever put a message out on
the list. Since on the forum your email address is hidden, this won't
happen.
The messages on the list remain on your computer or not, depending if you
decide to delete them, or your computer thrashes its harddisk or gets
stolen. The forum on the other hand keeps all messages, will thrash a
harddisk once in a while but has a live copy, could get stolen or bombed,
but has a copy outside town.
The forumis the archive, you don't have to look where to go to find what
you want to know.
But is is a definitely a disandvantage to have to learn new habits, and
again another user interface.
After that Steve and i decided that forum was the better way, Matt
Matronics has now also the lists in forum media, so maybe it was not a bad
idea after all :-)
So please folks, no answers here, email me at josok-e@ukolo.fi
do not archive
links:
and ours: http://www.europaowners.org
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Kind Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
workshopcam http://www.okhuijsen.org/plane
http:www.europaowners.org/kit600
mono xs, top on, gear in, tail wheel in, wings set, flapdrive in, tail
closed, tailwheel in, tail top in, blue stuff filled, sanded and primed,
fuel system in, doors done, windows in, sanding and filling the fuse and
wings.
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| Subject: | Postings by Jos Okhuijsen |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Jack Hilditch" <wmjack1@t3cs.net>
Kingsley & everyone with an interest,
To enable or disable HTML in Outlook (depending on your Outlook version) go
to Tools > Options tab > Mail Format > and select 'Plain Text', 'Rich Text'
or 'HTML'.
To enable or block receiving images in Outlook go to Tools > Options >
Security tab > 'Download Pictures' (middle of the page) > click the 'Change
Automatic Download Settings...' button and select or deselect the 'Don't
download images or other content automatically in HTML e-mail' check box
(middle of the 'Automatic Picture Download Settings' page) > click the OK
button.
To enable or disable HTML in Outlook Express (depending on your Outlook
Express version) go to Tools > Options tab > Send > and look at the bottom
of the page for 'Mail Sending Format' where you can choose 'HTML' or 'Plain
Text'.
To enable or block receiving images in Outlook Express go to Tools > Options
> Security tab > and select or deselect the 'Block images or other external
content in HTML e-mail' check box (middle of the tabbed page).
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Jack Hilditch
Please do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kingsley Hurst
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 3:44 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Postings by Jos Okhuijsen
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst"
<hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
> Since this posting is done directly to the list, it won't be blank :-)
You are so correct Jos ! I CAN indeed read this one.
You also said . . . "If your email client has HTML disabled (IMHO
advisable) you won't see anything but a blank."
I use Outlook at work and Outlook Express at home. To my knowledge, I
have never had any trouble receiving other HTML emails, it only seems to
happen on the ones from the list. I have had several blank ones from
the Aeroelectric list too and until now have always assumed the writers
had accidentally pressed the 'Send' key prematurely or accidentally. To
be honest, I don't know how to disable HTML in either Outlook or OE. On
googling however, I find there is an add-on available expressly for this
purpose.
Please pardon my ignorance but I am also unable to understand the
significance of having a 'forum' as well as the 'list' now. Is there a
major difference that makes one better than the other? If so, what
is/are the difference/s and why do we need both ?
Ok all you blokes/guys that say "don't you even know that ?" well no,
I'm sorry to say I don't !
If you can explain all this in a plain language that even a poor simple
ba$#%^& like me can understand, I would be much obliged thanks Jos.
Regards
Confused Kingsley
Please do not archive lest my ignorance be indelibly recorded in the
bowels of Matts computer !
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| Subject: | A Proud Announcement |
On Wednesday, September 27, 2006 my son Brennan J. Skelly took his first sol
o
flight. The flight took place at 10:45 Central time at Grand Prairie
Municipal Airport located in Grand Prairie Texas USA. The sky was a pristin
e blue
and the winds were light and variable.
After a written examination and a few test runs, Brennan's instructor
released him for solo. Brennan flew the pattern and made 2 perfect landings
and =9Cone
like his dad makes=9D. (Whatever that is supposed to mean!!)
Brennan is age 19. He currently attends a local college and in 2007 he will
transfer to North Dakota University to attend the Federal Aviation
Administration Air Traffic Controller program. He works part time at Grand
Prairie
Municipal Airport with the very important duty of fueling the general aviati
on
fleet. He is also certified to =9CHot Fuel=9D the emergency hel
icopters that are
based at that location. In his off times he enjoys working in the shop with
his
father on the Europa XS project.
Brennan represents the third generation of pilots for the Skelly family. Upo
n
completion of his flight he notified his 90 year old Grandfather James E.
Skelly, who proudly flew in the European theater of W.W.II and later became
a
military flight instructor.
Way to go son! Your father is very proud.
Brian Skelly
Europa XS TriGear #A276
North Texas USA
You can see my build photos at:
http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
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| Subject: | Re: A Proud Announcement |
Brian,
Congratulations! My own sone is now working on his own project and
planning to become a pilot.
Jeff
EuropaXSA276@aol.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 27, 2006 my son Brennan J. Skelly took his
> first solo flight. The flight took place at 10:45 Central time at
> Grand Prairie Municipal Airport located in Grand Prairie Texas USA.
> The sky was a pristine blue and the winds were light and variable.
>
>
>
> After a written examination and a few test runs, Brennan's instructor
> released him for solo. Brennan flew the pattern and made 2 perfect
> landings and one like his dad makes. (Whatever that is supposed to
> mean!!)
>
>
>
> Brennan is age 19. He currently attends a local college and in 2007 he
> will transfer to North Dakota University to attend the Federal
> Aviation Administration Air Traffic Controller program. He works part
> time at Grand Prairie Municipal Airport with the very important duty
> of fueling the general aviation fleet. He is also certified to Hot
> Fuel the emergency helicopters that are based at that location. In
> his off times he enjoys working in the shop with his father on the
> Europa XS project.
>
>
>
> Brennan represents the third generation of pilots for the Skelly
> family. Upon completion of his flight he notified his 90 year old
> Grandfather James E. Skelly, who proudly flew in the European theater
> of W.W.II and later became a military flight instructor.
>
>
>
> Way to go son! Your father is very proud.
>
>
> Brian Skelly
> Europa XS TriGear #A276
> North Texas USA
> You can see my build photos at:
> http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Coolant temp reading by GRT EIS |
Simon,
Appreciate this, but Skydrive's coolant temp reading sets are based on
VDO sensor and they are all resistance type while the one available
input channel to GRT EIS that I have left requires a voltage variation.
Now, if I had a converter from resistance to voltage - - - ??
Best regards,
Svein
----- Original Message -----
From: Simon Smith
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 11:43 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Coolant temp reading by GRT EIS
Have a look at http://www.skydrive.co.uk/sd_sa_91.asp It might be what
you need.
Simon
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sidsel &
Svein Johnsen
Sent: 27 September 2006 18:54
To: Europa List
Subject: Europa-List: Coolant temp reading by GRT EIS
Has anyone used one of the Aux. inputs to Grand Rapids EIS 4000 for
reading the coolant temperature by a probe into the coolant, with output
0-5 V?
Would appreciate details with respect to type of probe/where sourced
and where/how placed into the coolant.
Best regards,
Svein
LN-SKJ
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| Subject: | Re: A Proud Announcement |
Congratulations to the Skelly Boys...(of all ages)!
Fred
A194
On Thursday, September 28, 2006, at 08:47 AM, EuropaXSA276@aol.com
wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 27, 2006 my son Brennan J. Skelly took his
> first solo flight. -The flight took place at 10:45 Central time at
> Grand Prairie Municipal Airport located in Grand Prairie Texas USA.
> -The sky was a pristine blue and the winds were light and variable.
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| Subject: | Coolant temp. sensor |
I have just received a reply from GRT on the coolant temp sensor
connection to their EIS 4000 - they confirm that Aux. 4 can actually be
used by the arrangement shown attached with the VDO type temp sensor
that e.g. Skydrive sells with the T-piece to be inserted in the coolant
tubing - or one of the sensors installed by the factory in two of the
cylinder heads.
Best regards,
Svein
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| Subject: | How to get a 914 Overhaul manual? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Anyone know how I can get a copy of a Rotax 914 Overhaul Manual and
Appendices?
I will be glad to copy, or pay for copying costs if someone has a copy.
Search here:
http://www.rotax-aircraft-engines.com/
Click Documentation
Search 914
Yields:
pn 897795 Appendices to Overhaul Manual 912 and 914 Series, only
available in English language (only available for authorized distributors
and overhaul facilities
pn 897799 Overhaul Manual 912 and 914 Series (only available for
authorized distributors and overhaul facilities
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | How to get a 914 Overhaul manual? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
Yup I would like one too
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
Sent: 28 September, 2006 13:51
Subject: Europa-List: How to get a 914 Overhaul manual?
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Anyone know how I can get a copy of a Rotax 914 Overhaul Manual and
Appendices?
I will be glad to copy, or pay for copying costs if someone has a copy.
Search here:
http://www.rotax-aircraft-engines.com/
Click Documentation
Search 914
Yields:
pn 897795 Appendices to Overhaul Manual 912 and 914 Series, only available
in English language (only available for authorized distributors and overhaul
facilities
pn 897799 Overhaul Manual 912 and 914 Series (only available for authorized
distributors and overhaul facilities
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | How to get a 914 Overhaul manual? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
I got one from Lockwood Aviation... They had a stack of them on their
stand at Sun & Fun one year so they will probably supply upon request.
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: How to get a 914 Overhaul manual? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Tony and all,
>
> I got one from Lockwood Aviation... They had a stack of them on their
> stand at Sun & Fun one year so they will probably supply upon request.
>
The troubleshooting part of this Overhaul manual would be a great
addition to the downloadable Maintenance manual !
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
http://contrails.free.fr
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| Subject: | postings with encoding errors [was: Postings by Jos Okhuijsen] |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
At 2006-09-27 23:54 +0300 Jos Okhuijsen wrote:
>These postings were made on the europaowners forum, and consequently
>echoed to the Matronics list.
>Checking the posting, it turns out to be in HTML only. If your email
>client has HTML disabled (IMHO advisable) wou won't see anything but
>a blank.
Jos - I seem to be able to see the postings in question OK. The only
thing I see related to HTML display in Eudora is "Automatically
download HTML graphics", which I have always had disabled.
However, I have for some time been experiencing a sprinkling of
messages which Eudora flags as having encoding errors. I wonder if
anyone else is experiening the same symptom? The message I get always
seems to be:
"1 encoding error were found. Turn on the 'Fetch' button in the icon
bar and check mail again to retrieve a raw version."
Despite this, the message always looks fully readable with nothing
obviously missing.
If I do ask it to fetch the raw version, then it displays the HTML
source code, which is much harder to read. (I must admit that I've
not done a W3C validation on one of these to check if there's really
something wrong with it.)
Anyway, I mentioned this issue to matt Dralle a short while back, and
he thought maybe it was caused by something he'd recently changed. He
went back to the previous configuration, but the symptoms continued,
so he reverted again.
I'm now wondering if all the posts with this symptom are generated
from the europaowners forum.
As far as I can tell, the symptoms started appearing on 29th August.
If it helps in the diagnosis, I can supply (off-list) a list of some
postings that have shown the symptoms.
>This has probably been a change since the latest software update on
>the forum. Steve, can you change back to text only please?
I'd support that request in any case. I cannot recall seeing an
e-mail message that was actually improved by being HTML-encoded,
although I've seen many whose information transfer efficiency were
severely degraded by so doing.
>In the meanwhile folks with blanks, read the messages on the forum
>(IMHO advisable)
<rant warning!>
For us dial-up people, the forum is a much less convenient way to see
what's going on, but is OK as a temporary workaround. I think I've
previously likened it to making a special trip to the Post Office
every day to see if they have any mail for me; whereas an e-mail list
is like having the postman deliver everything without me having to go
looking for it. Going to the PO might be acceptable if one was
involved in just one discussion forum, but for the 10 or 12 that I
susbscribe to, it would be totally impractical. Imagine having to go
to a different sorting office to collect your mail, depending on who
it was coming from.
</rant>
regards
Rowland
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| Wilma & Rowland Carson http://home.clara.net/rowil/
| <rowil@clara.net> ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...
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| Subject: | Re: How to get a 914 Overhaul manual? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Lance Sandford <sandford@melbpc.org.au>
Ron
Gilles Thesee posted this a couple of weeks ago. Looks promising.
www.rotax-owner.com/manualrev/09_11_2006/mrSB9_043_029R1.htm
Regards
Lance Sandford in Oz
>--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
>Anyone know how I can get a copy of a Rotax 914 Overhaul Manual and
>Appendices?
>
>I will be glad to copy, or pay for copying costs if someone has a copy.
>
>Search here:
>http://www.rotax-aircraft-engines.com/
>Click Documentation
>Search 914
>
>Yields:
>
>pn 897795 Appendices to Overhaul Manual 912 and 914 Series, only
>available in English language (only available for authorized distributors
>and overhaul facilities
>
>pn 897799 Overhaul Manual 912 and 914 Series (only available for
>authorized distributors and overhaul facilities
>
>Ron Parigoris
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel flow Check 916S |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v " <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
Hi, I will be firing up my 912S in the next week or so and will need to conduct
fuel flow checks, once i calibrate the fuel flow computer i can easily check
the performance of the Facet electric pump, but, how do i check the fuel
flow of the mechanical pump with the engine running ? - i intend using
the onboard fuel flow computer for both tests, has any one got any
figures for what i should be looking for when teeing off?
thanks in advance, steve vestuti #573
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| Subject: | Re: How to get a 914 Overhaul manual? |
Lockwood has them, you will need one,(Maintinance Manual)I bought one years
ago but I think they were about $100 a copy.
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| Subject: | Re: postings with encoding errors [was: Postings by |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Hi Rowland,
HTML lost it's standard after version 1.0 Everything which came later has never
been approved for various reasons. So what are encoding errors are to eudora,
will be accepted by and properly interpreted by other programs. A reason more
not to use it in email messaging pus sang. But of course HTML in messages
has it's merits when layout is important. As you know, tables entered in text
messages will be usually illegible.
Dial up people? Sure, as i noticed last year in Yorkshire, there are also still
folks burning coal to heat their houses. There should be a law against it. But
it's not the right argument to slow down internet and it's applications. It's
more reason to ask your government for a reasonable infrastructure, also in
the rural areas.
I like the postman's analogy. I throw away some 10 kilos of unwanted folders, magazines,
papers and other stuff that the mailman happily mingles in his delivery.
I used to delete about 500 spam messages a week, before i got the filters
up to 98% without kicking real mail. My list email address was new,. and has
never been used anywhere else, counts now for 30% of the spam.
If i want to see list messages, i have to start up my my mail program.
If i would get 10 to 12 different lists mingled with my personal mail, i would
be totally confused. I would have to use sophisticated filtering to keep things
apart, and still..brrr.
If i want to see one of the many forums i subscribe to, i start the browser, and
run through my forum bookmarks. It's as easy as the mail having delivered, sorted,
opened and archived for you.
But you are right, it's very different from mail, and forum use has a learning
curve. Hope you get really connected Rowland!
Kind Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
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