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Sat 09/30/06


Total Messages Posted: 11



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     1. 03:32 AM - Re: Monowheel sight gauge (josok)
     2. 04:15 AM - Re: Postings by Jos Okhuijsen (Kingsley Hurst)
     3. 09:12 AM - Re: A Proud Announcement (willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk)
     4. 09:21 AM - Re: Monowheel sight gauge (GLENN CROWDER)
     5. 10:50 AM - Re: Training on PFA Aircraft (G-IANI)
     6. 01:25 PM - Re: transducers (steve v)
     7. 02:54 PM - bronze tint vs. clear glazing (Fred Klein)
     8. 03:51 PM - Re: bronze tint vs. clear glazing (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
     9. 04:45 PM - Re: bronze tint vs. clear glazing (Fred Klein)
    10. 05:19 PM - Re: bronze tint vs. clear glazing (europa flugzeug fabrik)
    11. 10:45 PM - Re: Monowheel sight gauge (William Mills)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:32:03 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Monowheel sight gauge
    From: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi> Hi Ron, I decided to route the tube up the seatback, back in the seatback over the tank, and up to the breather tube. The reason is that i will be able to see the fuel level while tanking. The breather tube is connected to the top of the filler and has it's opening behind the flap extension. You will get the idea of the latter from the attached picture, where you see the vent system. This is one of the good ideas of Graham Singleton. I am still thinking of adding a one way valve there opening in the cockpit, to have a second vent in case the primary one gets blocked. Kind Regards, Jos Okhuijsen -------------------- m2f -------------------- Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org http://www.europaowners.org/viewtopic.php?p=12828#12828 -------------------- m2f -------------------- Attachments: http://www.europaowners.org//zfiles/img_2454_459.jpg


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    Time: 04:15:03 AM PST US
    From: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
    Subject: Re: Postings by Jos Okhuijsen
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au> Jos and Jack, Thank you both for your respective advices in respect of HTML etc. Much appreciated. Kingsley Do not archive


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    Time: 09:12:05 AM PST US
    From: willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk
    Subject: A Proud Announcement
    --> Europa-List message posted by: willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk Congratulations to you and your son, Brian. Now I have a question for everyone. My own son, Tom, had about 15 hours dual training in motorgliders and Grob 109/Tutors before his training was interrupted by a small health issue. Now he's keen to resume and I see from the PFA's interpretation of the rules that an owner's close relative can receive training to PPL level in the owner's plane - in our case an XS Trigear. What experience or advice does anyone have of using any Europa, especially the XS Trigear for basic training. Tom seems to be high average/above average in the relevant competencies as far as I can see. Cheers Willie Harrison G-BZNY >-- Original Message -- >From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com >Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:47:59 EDT >Subject: Europa-List: A Proud Announcement >To: europa-list@matronics.com > > >On Wednesday, September 27, 2006 my son Brennan J. Skelly took his first >solo >flight. The flight took place at 10:45 Central time at Grand Prairie >Municipal Airport located in Grand Prairie Texas USA. The sky was a pristine >blue >and the winds were light and variable. > >After a written examination and a few test runs, Brennan's instructor >released him for solo. Brennan flew the pattern and made 2 perfect landings >and ?one >like his dad makes?. (Whatever that is supposed to mean!!) > >Brennan is age 19. He currently attends a local college and in 2007 he will > >transfer to North Dakota University to attend the Federal Aviation >Administration Air Traffic Controller program. He works part time at Grand >Prairie >Municipal Airport with the very important duty of fueling the general aviation > >fleet. He is also certified to ?Hot Fuel? the emergency helicopters that >are >based at that location. In his off times he enjoys working in the shop with >his >father on the Europa XS project. > >Brennan represents the third generation of pilots for the Skelly family. >Upon >completion of his flight he notified his 90 year old Grandfather James E. > >Skelly, who proudly flew in the European theater of W.W.II and later became >a >military flight instructor. > >Way to go son! Your father is very proud. > >Brian Skelly >Europa XS TriGear #A276 >North Texas USA >You can see my build photos at: >http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/


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    Time: 09:21:20 AM PST US
    From: "GLENN CROWDER" <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Monowheel sight gauge
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" <gcrowder2@hotmail.com> I have routed my sight gauge identically and it works great on the ground, but in the air the fuel goes down in the sight gauge by about 3-4 gal. If I route the vent into my fuel return line at the top of the tank instead of the fuel tank breather tube, I get the same results so the sight guage is pretty worthless while flying. Glenn >From: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi> >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel sight gauge >Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:30:46 +0300 > >--> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi> > >Hi Ron, > >I decided to route the tube up the seatback, back in the seatback over the >tank, and up to the breather tube. The reason is that i will be able to see >the fuel level while tanking. The breather tube is connected to the top of >the filler and has it's opening behind the flap extension. You will get the >idea of the latter from the attached picture, where you see the vent >system. This is one of the good ideas of Graham Singleton. I am still >thinking of adding a one way valve there opening in the cockpit, to have a >second vent in case the primary one gets blocked. > >Kind Regards, > >Jos Okhuijsen > > >-------------------- m2f -------------------- > >Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org >http://www.europaowners.org/viewtopic.php?p=12828#12828 > >-------------------- m2f -------------------- > > >Attachments: >http://www.europaowners.org//zfiles/img_2454_459.jpg > >


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    Time: 10:50:12 AM PST US
    From: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: Training on PFA Aircraft
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com> Willie "I see from the PFA's interpretation of the rules that an owner's close relative can receive training to PPL level in the owner's plane" Absolutely correct. Irene and I have been doing it for the last six months. Do not forget that the other restrictions such as a licensed field and qualified instructor still apply. A few points worth making are:- The average flying school owner/CFI will tell will tell you are wrong and they have never heard of this. If that is the reaction you get it is obviously the wrong instructor for you. The instructor must be happy and confident that they have control of the aircraft from the right seat. So they need to be very experienced or have some conversion training onto the Europa. As yours is a trigear this is all possible but on a mono much more difficult. At the very least they will need time to learn your aircraft's behaviour and systems. It will be hard on your aircraft. We have put some 200 landings on ours in four months. Nothing has broken but you need to keep on top of the servicing and general maintenance. The instructor and student will pick up on things you are familiar with and suggest "improvements". And yes it is much cheaper than club aircraft hire. Good luck in finding someone suitable and willing. We spent quite a long time looking. Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com


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    Time: 01:25:47 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: transducers
    From: "steve v " <s.vestuti@virgin.net>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "steve v " <s.vestuti@virgin.net> Yes i have have fitted the MGL fuel computer - it has a bar graph which displays calculated fuel contents, the transducer is a Flosan fitted only in the feed line -not the return, you can adjust the calibation to allow for the return unused fuel. Steve vestuti #573 -------------------- m2f -------------------- Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org http://www.europaowners.org/viewtopic.php?p=12833#12833 -------------------- m2f --------------------


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    Time: 02:54:29 PM PST US
    Subject: bronze tint vs. clear glazing
    From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com> I'm one who got stiffed on the windscreen & windows w/ the demise of Europa Acft. and am pondering the question of tinted vs. clear glazing. I've concerns regarding night flying w/ the tinted plexi, and at the same time wonder about overheating if I go w/ the clear. I've seen some Europas which compensate for the extra heat gain w/ the clear by using overhead screens which are suction-cupped to the "roof". Is there anyone who regrets their choice (whichever it was) who would share their experiences? Is it feasible to extend one's painted finish over some portions of the plexiglas?...perhaps in some manner which might mitigate overheating without unduly limiting visability? Any comments gratefully received, Fred A194


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    Time: 03:51:54 PM PST US
    From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
    Subject: Re: bronze tint vs. clear glazing
    You are not the only one that got stiffed on the glass Fred. Fortunately LP Aero Plastics fixed me up! ( LP Aero 1086 Boquet Rd Jennette, PA 156449730 Phone 724-744-4448) For a price that is. I went with a clear windshield and light solar gray windows. Not installed yet. Still packed neatly in the shipping crate. I was not crazy about the bronze color. In addition I thought that it would be too dark for the reasons you have mentioned. I believe that the light solar gray tint will be a good compromise. By the way The set cost $700.00 last year including the shipping. Part Numbers are: Windshield LP-1460 CL Left Canopy LP-1461 SG Right Canopy LP-1562 SG Brian Skelly Europa XS TriGear #A276 North Texas USA You can see my build photos at: http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS


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    Time: 04:45:13 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: bronze tint vs. clear glazing
    From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com> Brian, Thanks for reminding me of the availability of solar grey tint...I've been in touch w/ the folks in PA so I am not concerned about sourcing the components, merely the decision as to type of plexi. Love to hear from someone who's been flying regarding the questions of night vision, glare, heat gain, vis a vis clear vs. solar grey tint vs. bronze tint...(?)...also regarding the question of re-configuring the shape and extent of the side windows (with paint) as a means to reducing heat gain. I suspect some distinctive and tasteful shapes could result from studying such a possibility. Fred A194


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    Time: 05:19:46 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: bronze tint vs. clear glazing
    From: "europa flugzeug fabrik" <n3eu@comcast.net>
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "europa flugzeug fabrik" <n3eu@comcast.net> No flight exp yet, but if I take my amber tint glass outside at night, the reduction in light transmission seems less than 15%. An advantage of amber is better contrast during daytime. It will mean I would not need my amber tint sunglasses (Serengetti), but just my slightly tinted bifocal eyeglasses (VariLux progressives, the ones w/o lines). I now need latter to fly the Grumman AA-5, and I wish it had amber tint windows. Note that I now dont need sunglasses as bad as when younger, with a slight case of cataracts. Otherwise, Id have to buy VariLux in sunglass tint, and VariLux are priced like airplane parts! Fred F. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=64890#64890


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    Time: 10:45:03 PM PST US
    From: "William Mills" <william@wrmills.plus.com>
    Subject: Re: Monowheel sight gauge
    --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Mills" <william@wrmills.plus.com> Jos and Glenn, I have had the sight tube between the seats of my mono for about 800 hours of flying now and it is totally reliable as a backup for the fuel computer if certain measures are taken to keep the horizontal section of tube free from slugs of fuel. I keep the sight tube vent separate right up to the filler neck so it is not influenced by anything else. (Glenn, the fuel return line could bubble vapour into the gauge and push fuel into the horizontal section, also is the filler neck vent acting as a pitot and pressurising the tube when flying? Have you forgotten to drill the little hole facing aft?) I also have an on / off valve in the sight gauge tube where it tees into the port side water drain at the tank entry point. This is necessary to stop fuel from being pushed up the tube into the horizontal section when filling the tank, because without it the sight tube acts as a another vent to the tank when being filled. The gauge must of course be calibrated with the port door sill horizontal so when the tail is on the ground it shows less fuel than actual. If a slug of fuel gets trapped in the horizontal section it will distort the gauge fuel level, because the air trapped above the fuel level is unlikely to be at atmospheric pressure. Hope that helps. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "GLENN CROWDER" <gcrowder2@hotmail.com> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 5:20 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel sight gauge > --> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" <gcrowder2@hotmail.com> > > I have routed my sight gauge identically and it works great on the > ground, but > in the air the fuel goes down in the sight gauge by about 3-4 gal. If I > route the > vent into my fuel return line at the top of the tank instead of the fuel > tank breather > tube, I get the same results so the sight guage is pretty worthless while > flying. > > Glenn >>From: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi> >>To: europa-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel sight gauge >>Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:30:46 +0300 >> >>--> Europa-List message posted by: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi> >> >>Hi Ron, >> >>I decided to route the tube up the seatback, back in the seatback over the >>tank, and up to the breather tube. The reason is that i will be able to >>see the fuel level while tanking. The breather tube is connected to the >>top of the filler and has it's opening behind the flap extension. You will >>get the idea of the latter from the attached picture, where you see the >>vent system. This is one of the good ideas of Graham Singleton. I am still >>thinking of adding a one way valve there opening in the cockpit, to have a >>second vent in case the primary one gets blocked. >> >>Kind Regards, >> >>Jos Okhuijsen >> >> >> >> >>-------------------- m2f -------------------- >> >>Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org >>http://www.europaowners.org/viewtopic.php?p=12828#12828 >> >>-------------------- m2f -------------------- >> >> >>Attachments: >>http://www.europaowners.org//zfiles/img_2454_459.jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >




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