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1. 01:15 AM - Yesterday at Staverton - not Europa but too good not to share! (Pete Lawless)
2. 08:37 AM - Re: Copper Washers (Ralph Hallett)
3. 08:41 AM - Do you fly with fuel in fuel cobra? ()
4. 09:35 AM - Re: Do you fly with fuel in fuel cobra? (Pete Lawless)
5. 09:37 AM - Re: Do you fly with fuel in fuel cobra? (Tom Friedland)
6. 09:38 AM - banjo fitting (Robert Borger)
7. 12:33 PM - Re: banjo fitting (Tony Krzyzewski)
8. 04:17 PM - Re: PROBABLE SPAM> Do you fly with fuel in fuel cobra? (Paul McAllister)
9. 04:17 PM - Re: PROBABLE SPAM> OK to vent sight gauge to cockpit? (Paul McAllister)
10. 04:27 PM - Re: How to get a 914 Overhaul manual? (Paul McAllister)
11. 04:36 PM - Re: PROBABLE SPAM> bronze tint vs. clear glazing (Paul McAllister)
12. 05:18 PM - Re: PROBABLE SPAM> bronze tint vs. clear glazing (Fred Klein)
13. 08:11 PM - Re: PROBABLE SPAM> bronze tint vs. clear glazing (Michael Grass)
14. 09:55 PM - Re: Do you fly with fuel in fuel cobra? (Steve Hagar)
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| Subject: | Yesterday at Staverton - not Europa but too good not to share! |
The lady driver obviously mistook the meaning of the Transair parking
sign.
She almost made the inside of the building before coming to rest
balanced on
what remained of the wall. As all four wheels were off the ground this
was
obviously within the remit of ATC and Gloucester SATCO Darren was
quickly on
the scene to oversee the rescue effort. A bit of dexterous fork lift
handling by the fire crew soon had the car back in the parking lot.
Regards
Pete
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| Subject: | Re: Copper Washers |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Ralph Hallett <n100rh@sbcglobal.net>
Bob,
I sure would like to know more about the AN banjos you've found, for the
same reason as you've gone to them. Are you sure you want to use copper?
Why not the washers that are normally used with the AN fittings?
Ralph
RKHallett III
XS MG
rlborger wrote:
> Europaphiles:
>
> Does anyone have a source for the copper washers for the banjo
> fittings on the fuel pressure regulator?
>
> I hope to replace the hose barb banjos on my fuel pressure regulator
> with AN-4 sized banjos that I have acquired from a local auto racing
> supply house. They could supply the fittings but no copper washers.
>
> Anyone care to comment on the plan?
>
> Good building and great flying,
> Bob Borger
> Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
> http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
> (85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
> system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
> Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar
> in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done. Baggage bay in. Flaps & Main Gear
> complete. Working in - 24 Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 30 Fuel
> System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing. Airmaster
> arrived 29 Sep 05. Seat arrived from Oregon Aero. E04 interior kit
> has arrived. Preparing for ROTAX 914 installation.
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208
> Home: 940-497-2123
> Cel: 817-992-1117
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Do you fly with fuel in fuel cobra? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Curious, how often do you take off with fuel above max level of tank and
into the fuel cobra (get you over that last bit of forest)?
If you refueled after flight and are going to not fly for a week or more,
and got fuel into the cobra, would you leave it, or drain it?
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Do you fly with fuel in fuel cobra? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Hi Ron
I take it you mean the fuel pipe to the filler on a Classic? If so I always
fill up to just below the filler cap level. No, I would not leave fuel in
there overnight I don't trust the jubilee clip that much but I have never
had a problem taxiing and departing with it filled to the top.
Regards
Pete
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| Subject: | Re: Do you fly with fuel in fuel cobra? |
Hi Ron
I think it best and have replaced the porous cobra with a material that is
not absorbant like polyurthane tubing or maybe an aluminum one from NZ. I
like the polyurethan because it is clear and you can see when the tank is
full.
Tom Friedland
On 10/2/06, rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> wrote:
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> --> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
> Curious, how often do you take off with fuel above max level of tank and
> into the fuel cobra (get you over that last bit of forest)?
>
> If you refueled after flight and are going to not fly for a week or more,
> and got fuel into the cobra, would you leave it, or drain it?
>
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
Ralph,
Your question was:
> I sure would like to know more about the AN banjos you've found, for the
> same reason as you've gone to them. Are you sure you want to use copper?
> Why not the washers that are normally used with the AN fittings?
Initial pics are posted on my build site -
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
There will be additional pics this weekend.
I have seen these fittings in both steel/cadmium and aluminum/anodized advertised
on european auto racing supply web sites but never could find a U.S. source
for them.
I can't say exactly, positively, that the banjo fittings I have found will fit
the Rotax fuel pressure regulator. They look like and appear to be the same size
as the banjo fittings on the regulator. Until I get home this weekend, I
won't know for sure. They seem to be available only in AN-2 and AN-4 equivalent
sizes.
As I understand it (I haven't removed a banjo from the regulator), the copper washers
go between the head of the banjo bolt & banjo and between the banjo & regulator.
They do not go on the AN portion of the fitting. Supposedly, these
copper washers are one use only. You can not re-use them. So if you remove
the fitting for any reason, new copper washers are required.
Fancy stainless steel and rubber washers come with the replacement banjo bolt but
not with the banjo fitting. Not knowing if those banjo bolts would properly
fit the regulator or if the fancy washers would work with the Rotax, I decided
to wait on purchasing them.
I'm scheduled to attend the Rotax 9xx class at Lockwood in December. I don't plan
to actually remove/replace the banjo fittings on the regulator until I have
taken the class and had an opportunity to discuss the change with the Lockwood
folks.
I hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions.
Meanwhile, I'm still looking for a source for the copper washers. Lockwood??
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
"As I understand it (I haven't removed a banjo from the regulator), the
copper washers go between the head of the banjo bolt & banjo and between
the banjo & regulator. They do not go on the AN portion of the fitting.
Supposedly, these copper washers are one use only. You can not re-use
them. So if you remove the fitting for any reason, new copper washers
are required."
That's correct. The copper washers have a small indent in them,
presumably to act like a lock washer, and they are specified as one time
use only. I suspect that Europa 2004 have them in stock as they are part
of the fuel pressure sensor kit they are now selling for the 912/914
engines.
Incidentally, if anyone want to interface the UMA pressure sensors used
with the kit to an Engine management system I have a table showing
voltage output vs indicated pressure.
Tony
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| Subject: | Do you fly with fuel in fuel cobra? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Ron,
I have always done this, however I do have an aluminum elbow, plus I have
two hose clips one each side to seal the rubber joints.
I don't get a smell anymore, but I was a long time sealing things up before
I managed to stop the fuel smell
Paul
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| Subject: | OK to vent sight gauge to cockpit? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Ron,
I would give serious thought as to not having a sight gauge at all. I have
used Tony Krzyzewski's system that measures the weight of the fuel in the
tank. This combined with a fuel totalizer has been perfect for me.
Paul
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| Subject: | How to get a 914 Overhaul manual? |
Simon,
I purchased mine from Lockwood. I don't recall the price, however I think
it was much less than $100, I could be wrong though, my wife often tells me
I am !
Paul
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| Subject: | bronze tint vs. clear glazing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
Hi Fred,
Well I have the bronze in my aircraft. At the time I purchased my kit it
was all that was on offer, and at that time the design criteria of the
aircraft was for day VFR use.
I can say for night flying it is worse than useless, so much so I that I
will never land at night unless its my own airport. I am probably going to
fit the biggest, brightest, meanest Xe light I can find to try and solve the
problem this winter.
For day use its quite nice. I supplement the shading with some stick on
automotive screens that are intended to protect infants in the back seat
from the sun. These work well and fold up to be quite small. For
additional eye protection I have some sun glasses with the same tint. This
shade really does help with the cloud definition.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: bronze tint vs. clear glazing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Thanks Paul...BTW, for Xe lighting, you might check out
www.Creativair.com and look at their pixs of their new Xe alternative
to Halogen...the Xe will fit within your wingtip light covers along w/
their LED position lights.
Fred
A194
On Monday, October 2, 2006, at 04:35 PM, Paul McAllister wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Hi Fred,
>
> Well I have the bronze in my aircraft. I can say for night flying it
> is worse than useless, so much so I that I
> will never land at night unless its my own airport. I am probably
> going to fit the biggest, brightest, meanest Xe light I can find to
> try and solve the problem this winter.
>
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| Subject: | Re: bronze tint vs. clear glazing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Michael Grass" <M.Grass@comcast.net>
Fred,
I must look at something else or...
The XE lights from Creative Air have a diameter of 4.5 inch but the wing tip
has room for less the 4 inch. The Halogen lights are 2 inch in diameter
and work with the led lights but are by far not as efficient as the XE
lights.
Regards
Michael Grass A266
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: PROBABLE SPAM> Europa-List: bronze tint vs. clear glazing
> --> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
> Thanks Paul...BTW, for Xe lighting, you might check out www.Creativair.com
> and look at their pixs of their new Xe alternative to Halogen...the Xe
> will fit within your wingtip light covers along w/ their LED position
> lights.
>
> Fred
> A194
>
> On Monday, October 2, 2006, at 04:35 PM, Paul McAllister wrote:
>
>> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
>> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>>
>> Hi Fred,
>>
>> Well I have the bronze in my aircraft. I can say for night flying it is
>> worse than useless, so much so I that I
>> will never land at night unless its my own airport. I am probably going
>> to fit the biggest, brightest, meanest Xe light I can find to try and
>> solve the problem this winter.
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Do you fly with fuel in fuel cobra? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
I have filled up the filler manifold (cobra!?) and left fuel in for an
extended time with no issues or smell. Having the fuel vent on the top of
the manifold routed to under the aircraft helps out when its 105 out and
the fuel expands. I also have the aluminum elbow with double hose clamps.
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
> [Original Message]
> From: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/2/2006 8:48:05 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: Do you fly with fuel in fuel cobra?
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
> Curious, how often do you take off with fuel above max level of tank and
> into the fuel cobra (get you over that last bit of forest)?
>
> If you refueled after flight and are going to not fly for a week or more,
> and got fuel into the cobra, would you leave it, or drain it?
>
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
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