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1. 03:27 AM - Re: Taildragger conversion battery position. (flyingphil2)
2. 03:37 AM - Re: 914 OIL PRESSURE (Gilles Thesee)
3. 04:46 AM - Re: Re: Taildragger conversion battery position. (Graham Singleton)
4. 05:52 AM - Re: Taildragger conversion battery position. (flyingphil2)
5. 08:25 AM - Re: Re: Taildragger conversion battery position. (William Daniell)
6. 10:10 AM - Re: 914 OIL PRESSURE ()
7. 10:23 AM - Re: 914 OIL PRESSURE (David Joyce)
8. 10:31 AM - Conventional Gear conversion (Europa List)
9. 10:52 AM - Re: Re: Taildragger conversion battery position. (Fred Klein)
10. 11:21 AM - Mono speed kit (Fred Klein)
11. 11:30 AM - Re: 914 OIL PRESSURE (Gilles Thesee)
12. 03:52 PM - Re: 914 OIL PRESSURE (Kim Prout)
13. 04:32 PM - Re: Mono speed kit (Jim Brown)
14. 04:50 PM - Re: 914 OIL PRESSURE (Graham Singleton)
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| Subject: | Re: Taildragger conversion battery position. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "flyingphil2" <ptiller@lolacars.com>
I'm at quite an early stage of a Europa rebuild project but am already considering
the conventional taildragger mod. I've tried to contact Luc Job regarding
the hoop but with no luck.
With regards to the carbon undercarriage hoop, would there be any issues with getting
it made elsewhere? I work for a company that does a lot of carbon lay
ups (it builds racing cars) and it also has a licence to do aerospace work (it
build radomes for aircraft and helicopters etc). If a lay-up manual was available
and tooling could be borrowed / re-manufactured then a small run of hoops
could be made in the UK. I'm not sure what the requirements from the PFA would
be and whether new drop tests and certification would need to be carried out
due to a new supplier.
Please note the motivation for this would not be to take work away from the guy
in Switzerland but just to ensure a continued and maybe more reliable supply
of hoops for aircraft flying and new builds.
Let me know if anyone is interested and I can take things further at work.
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
http://www.europaowners.org/viewtopic.php?p=12912#12912
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| Subject: | Re: 914 OIL PRESSURE |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Graham
>
> standard practice with Lycosaurus is to install the sender remote for
> that reason.
Yes
> Can't see why Rotax don;t specify remote, what do they do on certified
> 91x installations?
I must say that the low cost VDO sender seems far more reliable than the
two units we got from UMA. The UMA failed, and we had to resort to a VDO
sender+gauge as a temporary fix.
Regards,
Gilles Thesee
Grenoble, France
http://contrails.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: Taildragger conversion battery position. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Phil
I thought PFA had decided they would not aprove any more carbon leg
conversions, there have been some failures?
imho the carbon leg is too stiff, a better alternative would be S glass
uni for the bending and carbon for the torsion. Long EZ legs are all S
glass with E glass torsion layups.
I think the original carbon legs were made by Arplast but I could be wrong.
Graham
flyingphil2 wrote:
>--> Europa-List message posted by: "flyingphil2" <ptiller@lolacars.com>
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>I'm at quite an early stage of a Europa rebuild project but am already considering
the conventional taildragger mod. I've tried to contact Luc Job regarding
the hoop but with no luck.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Taildragger conversion battery position. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "flyingphil2" <ptiller@lolacars.com>
Graham,
Oh really? I'll check that out. I tend to agree about the carbon hoop being too
stiff and I'm rebuilding G-SYCO that was written off due to an accident involving
a broken leg. I think the taildragger mod is a really nice design but
the stiffness of the leg and lack of availability mean that it has some downsides.
I wonder if the Swiss mod could be developed with a new hoop with reduced
stiffness? The alternative that you suggest sounds promising. Apparently Europa
were thinking about developing a mod but nothing was ever produced. I wonder
what their solution would have been?
Regards,
Phil
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
http://www.europaowners.org/viewtopic.php?p=12915#12915
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| Subject: | Re: Taildragger conversion battery position. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
Has anybody done this for the trigear?
The steel legs are pretty heavy
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Subject: Europa-List: Re: Taildragger conversion battery position.
--> Europa-List message posted by: "flyingphil2" <ptiller@lolacars.com>
I'm at quite an early stage of a Europa rebuild project but am already
considering the conventional taildragger mod. I've tried to contact Luc Job
regarding the hoop but with no luck.
With regards to the carbon undercarriage hoop, would there be any issues
with getting it made elsewhere? I work for a company that does a lot of
carbon lay ups (it builds racing cars) and it also has a licence to do
aerospace work (it build radomes for aircraft and helicopters etc). If a
lay-up manual was available and tooling could be borrowed / re-manufactured
then a small run of hoops could be made in the UK. I'm not sure what the
requirements from the PFA would be and whether new drop tests and
certification would need to be carried out due to a new supplier.
Please note the motivation for this would not be to take work away from the
guy in Switzerland but just to ensure a continued and maybe more reliable
supply of hoops for aircraft flying and new builds.
Let me know if anyone is interested and I can take things further at work.
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
http://www.europaowners.org/viewtopic.php?p=12912#12912
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| Subject: | Re: 914 OIL PRESSURE |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Hello Gilles
"The UMA failed, and we had to resort to a VDO sender+gauge as a temporary
fix."
What is exact wrong with using the VDO as a permanent fix??
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: 914 OIL PRESSURE |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Have twice experienced this sort of problem. The first time showed pressures
in excess of 6 bar , which is the Flydat alarm level. It turned out that one
wire had come loose at the sender, and fixing it gave normal pressures
again. Two years later I had an episode of pressures creeping up again and
cleaning the terminals on the sender sorted it. Regards, David Joyce G-XSDJ
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Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:06 PM
Subject: Europa-List: 914 OIL PRESSURE
> Any rotax drivers out there ever experience high oil pressures in cruise
> flght?Today my oil pressure was in the 97-99 psi. range,changing
power/prop
> setting had no effect,engine ran fine & all temps normal.
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| Subject: | Conventional Gear conversion |
I am wondering if anyone has done the Flightcrafters conversion to
conventional gear (taildragger), and if so, what is their opinion of
it's worth? Also, how hard is it to do on a completed XS mono?
Vaughn Teegarden
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| Subject: | Re: Taildragger conversion battery position. |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Phil...Have you checked out the Flight Crafters taildragger mod?...it
uses a one piece metal gear which attaches externally and is faired
into the bottom of the fuselage; it can be retrofitted into a completed
Europa; I'd suggest emailing or talking w/ Bob Berube @
bberube@tampabay.rr.com. I have a series of photos from Bob showing the
sequence of installation; let me know and I can send you them off-list.
I expect to receive soon the plans and hardware which would allow me to
easily convert my XS mono to taildragger configuration at some later
date. At this moment I am undecided as to whether I will complete my
bird as a mono...may just go ahead now w/ the TD'r.
Fred
A194
On Monday, October 9, 2006, at 05:50 AM, flyingphil2 wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "flyingphil2" <ptiller@lolacars.com>
>
> Graham,
>
> Oh really? I'll check that out. I tend to agree about the carbon
> hoop being too stiff and I'm rebuilding G-SYCO that was written off
> due to an accident involving a broken leg. I think the taildragger
> mod is a really nice design but the stiffness of the leg and lack of
> availability mean that it has some downsides. I wonder if the Swiss
> mod could be developed with a new hoop with reduced stiffness? The
> alternative that you suggest sounds promising. Apparently Europa were
> thinking about developing a mod but nothing was ever produced. I
> wonder what their solution would have been?
>
> Regards,
>
> Phil
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
> http://www.europaowners.org/viewtopic.php?p=12915#12915
>
>
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Would anyone venture an opinion regarding the quality and suitability
of the moulded parts included in the mono speed kit? At 375 UK pounds,
it seems a bit pricey, though perhaps worthwhile if everyone who's
installed it has found it to be the hot ticket. I have only vague
recollections of having seen them installed, and am wondering whether
the profiles are optimized for the aerodynamics or are they simply a
cosmetic add-on...(?)
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | Re: 914 OIL PRESSURE |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Hi Ron,
>
> "The UMA failed, and we had to resort to a VDO sender+gauge as a temporary
> fix."
>
> What is exact wrong with using the VDO as a permanent fix??
>
>
The VDO sender is not compatible with our 270, red and green-arc UMA
gauge http://contrails.free.fr/images/DSCF1622.JPG
Using the VDO sender, we must use the 90 swing, smaller diameter,
black-rim VDO gauge. In our area, those gauges are used on mopeds and
lawn-tractors....;-)
You can see the temporary gauge on the frontispice at
http://contrails.free.fr/instruments_tableau_phif.php
Best regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: 914 OIL PRESSURE |
Hi Sam! This is typical problem when the sender fails. I like the idea
about mounting the sender remotely to avoid the high frequency vibrations
where the sender is on the engine. The newer senders have the heavy bronze
ring to damp this problem but it is usually only a matter of time before
failure. Good Luck!
kp
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| Subject: | Re: Mono speed kit |
Fred
Several years ago there was a tread about this. I forgot what the
factory was saying for the speed increase, I saw an increase of about
two knots on my monowheel. Several who had installed their's agree with
me, about 2 kts. Some reported higher speeds.
They are easy to install, You'll pick up some speed, and they do improve
the appearance under the wing. My guess they are more cosmetic, with
small increase in speed on my installation.
Jim Brown
N398JB
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Klein
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 2:19 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Mono speed kit
Would anyone venture an opinion regarding the quality and suitability
of the moulded parts included in the mono speed kit? At 375 UK pounds,
it seems a bit pricey, though perhaps worthwhile if everyone who's
installed it has found it to be the hot ticket. I have only vague
recollections of having seen them installed, and am wondering whether
the profiles are optimized for the aerodynamics or are they simply a
cosmetic add-on...(?)
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | Re: 914 OIL PRESSURE |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Listen to this guy, He has a lot of experience, 2 generations of it in fact!
Graham
Kim Prout wrote:
> Hi Sam! This is typical problem when the sender fails. I like the
> idea about mounting the sender remotely to avoid the high frequency
> vibrations where the sender is on the engine. The newer senders have
> the heavy bronze ring to damp this problem but it is usually only a
> matter of time before failure. Good Luck!
> kp
>
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