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1. 12:24 AM - Re: batteries (R.C.Harrison)
2. 12:31 AM - Re: Trailering (Richard Iddon)
3. 02:24 AM - Re: Trailering (Roger Anderson)
4. 04:19 AM - Re: Trailering (R.C.Harrison)
5. 09:19 AM - Project For Sale (Jim Butcher)
6. 10:14 AM - Re: Project For Sale (Thomas Scherer)
7. 03:38 PM - Re: Trailering (Keith Hickling)
8. 05:07 PM - Re: Engine Assistance Please (Alan Burrows)
9. 06:13 PM - Less hair raising landings (Steve Hagar)
10. 06:48 PM - Re: Less hair raising landings (Steve Crimm)
11. 09:26 PM - Re: Less hair raising landings (GLENN CROWDER)
12. 09:26 PM - Fuel filler tube, how did you finish? ()
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Kingsley
Yes of course I understand the compressions sequences re. four stroke
six cylinder versus 4 cylinder but the point I make is also contained in
your own statement .....that when the current compression cylinder is
being pushed over top dead centre there is also one soon following it's
compression stroke on the six configuration needing more effort from the
starter to get up the required momentum for the following compressions.
All very relevant ....well in the early stages when the compressions are
half decent ! That's why the six sounds like a sewing machine.
It's just a shame the torque produced at the end of all that activity
isn't so precisely described by the manufacturers in comparison with
other engines of half the cubic capacity .....difference between
Australian Ponies and real time Horses !
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG (waiting for the ultimate comparison!)
Do not archive
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Jerry,
I made a wing dolly based on designs I found on the 'net and with input
from other fliers over here. Couple of pic's attached. Works a treat
and I can single handedly rig and derig in about 15 minutes. Cost me
about very little for the bits plus a couple of days work to put
together.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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12/10/2006
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12/10/2006
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I'm looking for the methods and things folks have done to make the wings
easier to re-rig. It is always a hit and miss to line up pins spars and
all.
I have fitted a guide on the seat back to help line up the port spar and
a guide on the port spar to help line up the starboard spar with their
appropriate cups. It is not foolproof but it does help.
I modified an old golf trolley to support the end of the wing for single
handed rigging and modified the spar retaining loops on the trailer to
pivot and rotate through ninety degrees. This enables me to rig and
de-rig single handed every time that I fly, and at a very leisurely rate
it takes me less than half an hour, including fitting the radio and GPS
- both of which are 'hand held'.
Roger (G-BXTD)
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Hi! Roger,
My flap close outs embody a funnel like guide which picks up the flap
and guides it on to the flap drive tube.
Regards
Bob Harrison. G-PTAG repairing and preparing during the 6 month wait for
a Rotax 914 !
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
Anderson
Sent: 14 October 2006 10:23
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailering
I'm looking for the methods and things folks have done to make the wings
easier to re-rig. It is always a hit and miss to line up pins spars and
all.
I have fitted a guide on the seat back to help line up the port spar and
a guide on the port spar to help line up the starboard spar with their
appropriate cups. It is not foolproof but it does help.
I modified an old golf trolley to support the end of the wing for single
handed rigging and modified the spar retaining loops on the trailer to
pivot and rotate through ninety degrees. This enables me to rig and
de-rig single handed every time that I fly, and at a very leisurely rate
it takes me less than half an hour, including fitting the radio and GPS
- both of which are 'hand held'.
Roger (G-BXTD)
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Subject: | Project For Sale |
There is a Tri Gear Motorglider project for sale in Jackson, Michigan.
The owner is Nihl Storey and he may be contacted at 517-617-1388. This
is one of the last kits delivered by EMIL in the US (Fall, 2003) and has
the cockpit width mod incorporated. All the fast build options (control
surfaces & cockpit module) were purchased. The cockpit module is
installed. The fuselage is on the gear. The port wing is nearly
complete. The glider wing controls are installed. Nihl is 72 and wants
to fly. He purchased a Sea Rey kit and completed first flight this
summer. He is enjoying flying the Sea Rey and figures he will not
continue work on the Europa. He is open to reasonable offers.
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Subject: | Re: Project For Sale |
Please nobody buy that kit...
just kidding - but you'd need to beat me at it as I am in major need of
glider wings for an attempt to fly high and far with N81EU.
Anybody needs a fuselage ...
be well,
<Thomas, N81EU>
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From: Jim Butcher
To: europalist
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 9:19 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Project For Sale
There is a Tri Gear Motorglider project for sale in Jackson, Michigan.
The owner is Nihl Storey and he may be contacted at 517-617-1388. This
is one of the last kits delivered by EMIL in the US (Fall, 2003) and has
the cockpit width mod incorporated. All the fast build options (control
surfaces & cockpit module) were purchased. The cockpit module is
installed. The fuselage is on the gear. The port wing is nearly
complete. The glider wing controls are installed. Nihl is 72 and wants
to fly. He purchased a Sea Rey kit and completed first flight this
summer. He is enjoying flying the Sea Rey and figures he will not
continue work on the Europa. He is open to reasonable offers.
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Hi Rickard,
This dolly looks very nice. Any chance of some more detailed pictures
and or drawings showing pivot points, height adjustment and locking,
dimensions etc?
Regards,
Keith Hickling,
New Zealand.
XS Mono, fuse top on, wings ready to close.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Iddon
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 8:31 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trailering
Jerry,
I made a wing dolly based on designs I found on the 'net and with
input from other fliers over here. Couple of pic's attached. Works a
treat and I can single handedly rig and derig in about 15 minutes. Cost
me about very little for the bits plus a couple of days work to put
together.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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12/10/2006
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12/10/2006
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Subject: | Engine Assistance Please |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Many thanks to all that offered help and advise on the Jabaru engine. I have
passed it on, together with details of other aircraft for sale, so hopefully
we will have another convert in our midst shortly.
Cheers
Alan Burrows
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Subject: | Less hair raising landings |
After 25 landings in the last 2 days the technique is now becoming apparrent ,
though more subconsciously by the feet rather than by the brain. Several nice
squeakers toward the end of the effort were very satisfying knowing what it
takes to do it. Received some wind and rain experience to boot. Came in several
times with the nose crabbed about 20 degrees off the runway centerline for
wind compensation and managed to get the kick to straight upon touchdown fairly
easily. As noted before here many times the secret it keeping it straight.
Early trials had me trying to use the "heavy boot" technique. This resulted
in much lateral use of the runway. My old tailwheel instructor (who isn't
very old) was permitted aboard by an extra paragraph I had put in my program
letter, basically had gotten me to consider foot "pressures" rather than radical
movements. It seems that way you are automatically ahead of the plane
rather than trying to add a bunch of footwork to cha
se an excursion to get back to straight. Once out of line it took me awhile
to figure out to lessen up the pressure much before getting straight or the ship
would get out of line the other way. I now just have to make the feet not
forget what they learned if I'm not out there in awhile.
The key seems to be to go at it and go at it hard to get the technique down.
Back to back days seemed to do the trick. However toting the acft. out to the
field and assembling it is still a royal pain in the ass, I will probably get
much less flying than I otherwise would. Though it assembles and disassembles
fairly easily. I have dolly that is bolted and pinned to the undercarriage
that allows me to roll it around without the wings that takes a little time
to do.
Fuel flow meter has been calibrated to within about 1% of at least what the gas
pump reads at a certain particular station.
Still getting some high CO in the cockpit during pattern work after initial
mods. It clears right up when the flaps come up and get some speed going. Need
to get rid of the left eyeball fresh air vent and make it look like the right
side where I have a 1" X 3" rectangular opening inside the NACA vent. I
need to find or fabricate a little door for it to close it off when not needed.
Has any one fabbed up something like this?
Right strobe light is inop, need to investigate.
The plane flys in a straighforward manner and is predictable in every way. It
has about 18 hours on it with about 15 with me at the controls.
My hand held Garmin GPS 92's screen had faded out so much that I can hardly see
it anymore. I'm looking for something new now. Is any one out there using
something they particularly like that they can recommend. I don't need color
or terrain avoidance etc just basic navigation with some airport information.
I had been comfortable with using a stopwatch and a compass for awhile when
my last hand held went south. I am strictly low tech. Just give me a plane
that's reliable, ecomical and flys good. No need for bells and whistles. Though
the tune might change when long cross country flights become the norm.
Erich Trombley's wing auto pilot was nice to have when droning back from Oshkosh.
Enough rambling for now.
Steve Hagar
A143
N40SH
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
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Subject: | Less hair raising landings |
Steve,
I use a Lowrance AirMap 1000
http://www.lowrance.com/Aviation/Products/AM1000.asp works well and the
large display is great for old eyes.
BTW congrates on taming the beast.
Steve
N42AH
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Hagar
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 21:18
Subject: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings
After 25 landings in the last 2 days the technique is now becoming apparrent
, though more subconsciously by the feet rather than by the brain. Several
nice squeakers toward the end of the effort were very satisfying knowing
what it takes to do it. Received some wind and rain experience to boot.
Came in several times with the nose crabbed about 20 degrees off the runway
centerline for wind compensation and managed to get the kick to straight
upon touchdown fairly easily. As noted before here many times the secret
it keeping it straight. Early trials had me trying to use the "heavy boot"
technique. This resulted in much lateral use of the runway. My old
tailwheel instructor (who isn't very old) was permitted aboard by an extra
paragraph I had put in my program letter, basically had gotten me to
consider foot "pressures" rather than radical movements. It seems th at
way you are automatically ahead of the plane rather than trying to add a
bunch of footwork to chase an excursion to get back to straight. Once out
of line it took me awhile to figure out to lessen up the pressure much
before getting straight or the ship would get out of line the other way. I
now just have to make the feet not forget what they learned if I'm not out
there in awhile.
The key seems to be to go at it and go at it hard to get the technique
down. Back to back days seemed to do the trick. However toting the acft.
out to the field and assembling it is still a royal pain in the ass, I will
probably get much less flying than I otherwise would. Though it assembles
and disassembles fairly easily. I have dolly that is bolted and pinned to
the undercarriage that allows me to roll it around without the wings that
takes a little time to do.
Fuel flow meter has been calibrated to within about 1% of at least what the
gas pump reads at a certain particular station.
Still getting some high CO in the cockpit during pattern work after
initial mods. It clears right up when the flaps come up and get some speed
going. Need to get rid of the left eyeball fresh air vent and make it look
like the right side where I have a 1" X 3" rectangular opening inside the
NACA vent. I need to find or fabricate a little door for it to close it off
when not needed. Has any one fabbed up something like this?
Right strobe light is inop, need to investigate.
The plane flys in a straighforward manner and is predictable in every way.
It has about 18 hours on it with about 15 with me at the controls.
My hand held Garmin GPS 92's screen had faded out so much that I can hardly
see it anymore. I'm looking for something new now. Is any one out there
using something they particularly like that they can recommend. I don't
need color or terrain avoidance etc just basic navigation with some airport
information. I had been comfortable with using a stopwatch and a compass
for awhile when my last hand held went south. I am strictly low tech. Just
give me a plane that's reliable, ecomical and flys good. No need for bells
and whistles. Though the tune might change when long cross country flights
become the norm. Erich Trombley's wing auto pilot was nice to have when
droning back from Oshkosh.
Enough rambling for now.
Steve Hagar
A143
N40SH
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
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Subject: | Less hair raising landings |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "GLENN CROWDER" <gcrowder2@hotmail.com>
Hey Steve! Way to go buddy!
I have used the crab in and kick it straight technique many times but
recently started
trying the forward slip in to landing technique keeping the aircraft
continually alligned with
the runway down short final. I have decided this is much less workload for
me as there is no
rotational inertia to deal with at the last second or trying to guess
exactly when the
main is going to touch down. The aircraft is held straight so whenever it
touches down
it is alligned with the runway. Perfectly straight rollouts every time
(well almost). Much easier at least for me on pavement. On heavy turf
possibly the crab technique would work better as the low side outrigger
could catch on brush but on pavement no worries!
Glenn
>From: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
>To: "europa-list" <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Less hair raising landings
>Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:18:04 -0700
>
>After 25 landings in the last 2 days the technique is now becoming
>apparrent , though more subconsciously by the feet rather than by the
>brain. Several nice squeakers toward the end of the effort were very
>satisfying knowing what it takes to do it. Received some wind and rain
>experience to boot. Came in several times with the nose crabbed about 20
>degrees off the runway centerline for wind compensation and managed to get
>the kick to straight upon touchdown fairly easily. As noted before here
>many times the secret it keeping it straight. Early trials had me trying
>to use the "heavy boot" technique. This resulted in much lateral use of
>the runway. My old tailwheel instructor (who isn't very old) was
>permitted aboard by an extra paragraph I had put in my program letter,
>basically had gotten me to consider foot "pressures" rather than radical
>movements. It seems that way you are automatically ahead of the plane
>rather than trying to add a bunch of footwork to cha
> se an excursion to get back to straight. Once out of line it took me
>awhile to figure out to lessen up the pressure much before getting straight
>or the ship would get out of line the other way. I now just have to make
>the feet not forget what they learned if I'm not out there in awhile.
>
>The key seems to be to go at it and go at it hard to get the technique
>down. Back to back days seemed to do the trick. However toting the acft.
>out to the field and assembling it is still a royal pain in the ass, I
>will probably get much less flying than I otherwise would. Though it
>assembles and disassembles fairly easily. I have dolly that is bolted and
>pinned to the undercarriage that allows me to roll it around without the
>wings that takes a little time to do.
>
>Fuel flow meter has been calibrated to within about 1% of at least what the
>gas pump reads at a certain particular station.
>
>Still getting some high CO in the cockpit during pattern work after
>initial mods. It clears right up when the flaps come up and get some
>speed going. Need to get rid of the left eyeball fresh air vent and make
>it look like the right side where I have a 1" X 3" rectangular opening
>inside the NACA vent. I need to find or fabricate a little door for it to
>close it off when not needed. Has any one fabbed up something like this?
>
>Right strobe light is inop, need to investigate.
>
>The plane flys in a straighforward manner and is predictable in every way.
> It has about 18 hours on it with about 15 with me at the controls.
>
>My hand held Garmin GPS 92's screen had faded out so much that I can
>hardly see it anymore. I'm looking for something new now. Is any one out
>there using something they particularly like that they can recommend. I
>don't need color or terrain avoidance etc just basic navigation with some
>airport information. I had been comfortable with using a stopwatch and a
>compass for awhile when my last hand held went south. I am strictly low
>tech. Just give me a plane that's reliable, ecomical and flys good. No
>need for bells and whistles. Though the tune might change when long cross
>country flights become the norm. Erich Trombley's wing auto pilot was
>nice to have when droning back from Oshkosh.
>
>Enough rambling for now.
>
>Steve Hagar
>A143
>N40SH
>
>
>Steve Hagar
>hagargs@earthlink.net
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Subject: | Fuel filler tube, how did you finish? |
--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
How did you finish the aluminium fuel filler tube (the tube the fuel cap
fastens to)?
The aluminium appears to be plated? (Anozized?)
Did you fill and paint to the edge of the aluminium?
Paint the aluminium?
Perhaps 1 layer redux/BID over the tapered part of the filler, and fill
and paint and really make things smooth and flowing?
How is your way of finishing holding up in service? Picture?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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